Do you really believe the new post on Tianya is by Sun? I think it is more likely by Bei. This round of recycling of the tragedy started on Huaren, then transferred to mitbbs. Tianya was only brought up only as some kind of "evidence". Then this magic post on Tianya appears almost simultaneously with Bei's interview. The whole thing develops like a scripted PR campaign.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Do you really believe the new post on Tianya is by Sun? I think it is more : likely by Bei. : This round of recycling of the tragedy started on Huaren, then transferred : to mitbbs. Tianya was only brought up only as some kind of "evidence". Then : this : magic post on Tianya appears almost simultaneously with Bei's interview. : The whole thing develops like a scripted PR campaign.
a*7
55 楼
打错了吧 孙的父母勉强也能说可怜,但肯定是排在朱的父母后边
【在 g***y 的大作中提到】 : 孙的父母?
w*o
56 楼
If it is really a PR campaign and the only purpose is for Zhu's parents to get more support, that might be ok. But I don't know if Bei knows what kind of results his action would lead to or does he care. Right now, the call for mob attack on Zhu's old roommate has been circulating on Huaren for quite a while and spreading to mitbbs. I just hope there won't be some hot head actually buys into those and cause real damage to real person in real life.
If Bei's people has the capability of hack into people's email account, an Tianya ID would be a piece of cake. They don't even need the collaboration of Tianya.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : If it is really a PR campaign and the only purpose is for Zhu's parents to : get more support, that might be ok. But I don't know if Bei knows what kind : of results his action would lead to or does he care. Right now, the call for : mob attack on Zhu's old roommate has been circulating on Huaren for quite a : while and spreading to mitbbs. I just hope there won't be some hot head : actually buys into those and cause real damage to real person in real life.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : If Bei's people has the capability of hack into people's email account, an : Tianya ID would be a piece of cake. They don't even need the collaboration : of Tianya.
I don't know the details of the Tianya situation years ago. But I won't trust anything out of Tianya. That place is plagued with all kinds of rumors and posters with special interests. If Sun really need to make any announcement at all this round, Tianya is the last place to do that for this round. The majority of "discussion" actually is on Huaren first, then now mitbbs.
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】 : 你要认为天涯这一贴是贝搞的,那你怎么解释,“孙维声明”这个id几年前搞了那场为 : 孙维洗白的闹剧?当年也是贝搞的? 还是现在贝盗了孙的号? : http://www.tianya.cn/5820833/bbs : : kind : for : a : .
Where are you standing on implying that Mr. Ben might be associated with the call to agitate the events? Or please correct me if you actually are not driving at that.
kind for a .
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : If it is really a PR campaign and the only purpose is for Zhu's parents to : get more support, that might be ok. But I don't know if Bei knows what kind : of results his action would lead to or does he care. Right now, the call for : mob attack on Zhu's old roommate has been circulating on Huaren for quite a : while and spreading to mitbbs. I just hope there won't be some hot head : actually buys into those and cause real damage to real person in real life.
w*o
71 楼
Even the police restart the investigation, I don't know if there would be any concrete result one way or another. I think both Sun and Bei knows that very well.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I don't know the details of the Tianya situation years ago. But I won't : trust anything out of Tianya. That place is plagued with all kinds of : rumors and posters with special interests. : If Sun really need to make any announcement at all this round, Tianya is the : last place to do that for this round. The majority of "discussion" actually : is on Huaren first, then now mitbbs.
a*7
73 楼
账号被hack,天涯站方总是有纪录的。
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Sun won't have any evidence that she didn't put up the post this time.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Even the police restart the investigation, I don't know if there would be : any concrete result one way or another. I think both Sun and Bei knows that : very well.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Even the police restart the investigation, I don't know if there would be : any concrete result one way or another. I think both Sun and Bei knows that : very well.
Good point! It should be something called karma, with something sardonic in it, an indefinable suggestion of punishment.
that
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Even the police restart the investigation, I don't know if there would be : any concrete result one way or another. I think both Sun and Bei knows that : very well.
w*o
78 楼
It appears to me that there have been some people agitating the whole situation. I don't know who is behind in it, nor I think I would ever know for sure. I thought Bei has the track record of hacking into other people's email account. Or is that also a unconfirmed rumor from Tianya?
the
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : Where are you standing on implying that Mr. Ben might be associated with the : call to agitate the events? Or please correct me if you actually are not : driving at that. : : kind : for : a : .
Do you think the current attack on Zhu's current roommate karma too? Or they deserve the "punishment" for just happening to be her roommate?
in
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : Good point! It should be something called karma, with something sardonic in : it, an indefinable suggestion of punishment. : : that
h*i
82 楼
极端分子哪里都有。你不能因为个别生态恐怖分子烧工厂就质疑生态保护本身
they
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Do you think the current attack on Zhu's current roommate karma too? Or they : deserve the "punishment" for just happening to be her roommate? : : in
N*n
83 楼
You thought:--------is it a fact or merely an assumption of yours? s
N*n
84 楼
I am inclined to agree so unless you can prove otherwise.
they
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Do you think the current attack on Zhu's current roommate karma too? Or they : deserve the "punishment" for just happening to be her roommate? : : in
w*o
85 楼
I thought Bei presented emails between the roommates to show as part of the "evidence" and that has been also cited multiple times this round. Are you saying those are not real or not from Bei?
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : You thought:: --------is it a fact or merely an assumption of yours? : s
w*o
86 楼
Let's hope none of your co-works, or neighbors or anyone close to you will ever be the victim of a crime.
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : I am inclined to agree so unless you can prove otherwise. : : they
N*n
87 楼
Did he ever mention the magic term: "anonymous sources"? It is so difficult to believe that someone could be stupid enough to put himself on fire.
the
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I thought Bei presented emails between the roommates to show as part of the : "evidence" and that has been also cited multiple times this round. Are you : saying those are not real or not from Bei?
N*n
88 楼
The same back to you. I pray for them, in particular for such a obvious initiative.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Let's hope none of your co-works, or neighbors or anyone close to you will : ever be the victim of a crime.
w*o
89 楼
I hope you would never be a victim of the crime, so your coworkers, neighbors or anyone close to you won't be the subject of these kind of attack in the name of finding out "truth".
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : The same back to you. I pray for them, in particular for such a obvious : initiative.
a*7
90 楼
同学,你这个自相矛盾了。。。 “Bei has the track record of hacking into other people's email account”指 的是当年孙维在天涯的洗白行动中,有人(应该不是贝自己)用黑客手段,拿到了孙给 几个同班同学发的“发贴指示”之类的文件。 你如果认为当年的洗白行动不是出自孙维之手,那么这个所谓黑客事件也就子虚乌有; 如果认为当年真有黑客偷信,那么孙维发那个信指挥别人帮她洗白也是真的 -- 你 不能什么都要
s
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : It appears to me that there have been some people agitating the whole : situation. I don't know who is behind in it, nor I think I would ever know : for sure. I thought Bei has the track record of hacking into other people's : email account. Or is that also a unconfirmed rumor from Tianya? : : the
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I thought Bei presented emails between the roommates to show as part of the : "evidence" and that has been also cited multiple times this round. Are you : saying those are not real or not from Bei?
w*o
92 楼
You can't have it both ways either. Do you really believe some bystanders will risk the potential felony charge to do that in US? Reality is different from action movies.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : You can't have it both ways either. Do you really believe some bystanders : will risk the potential felony charge to do that in US? Reality is different : from action movies.
w*o
94 楼
No. What I mean is it would be extremely unlikely for a US hacker, for whatever reason, to get that "email" right at the time to keep the internet campaign alive.
Your wish granted. BTW, this time please make sure to pray for yourself and whoever you care, for I would only have time praying for Mr.Bei's not being bugged by forest pests.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I hope you would never be a victim of the crime, so your coworkers, : neighbors or anyone close to you won't be the subject of these kind of : attack in the name of finding out "truth".
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : No. What I mean is it would be extremely unlikely for a US hacker, for : whatever reason, to get that "email" right at the time to keep the internet : campaign alive.
N*n
98 楼
have to clarify what you mean by "a US hacker." Did you mean a hacker in the US or what?
internet
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : No. What I mean is it would be extremely unlikely for a US hacker, for : whatever reason, to get that "email" right at the time to keep the internet : campaign alive.
N*n
99 楼
It is absolutely within the rational field that someone might purposely leak the news out.
w*o
100 楼
I thought the story from Tianya was somebody actually physically went to one of house in US and got those "emails" from outside the house. It is a very tall tale to say the least.
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : have to clarify what you mean by "a US hacker." Did you mean a hacker in : the US or what? : : internet
a*7
101 楼
link please? I've never heard of this break-in story
one very
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I thought the story from Tianya was somebody actually physically went to one : of house in US and got those "emails" from outside the house. It is a very : tall tale to say the least.
N*n
102 楼
a rumor agian, eh?
one very
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I thought the story from Tianya was somebody actually physically went to one : of house in US and got those "emails" from outside the house. It is a very : tall tale to say the least.
So anybody didn't agree with Mr. Bei's later action are "forest pests"
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】 : Your wish granted. : BTW, this time please make sure to pray for yourself and whoever you care, : for I would only have time praying for Mr.Bei's not being bugged by forest : pests.
N*n
105 楼
Not necessarily,indeed.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : So anybody didn't agree with Mr. Bei's later action are "forest pests"
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I hope you would never be a victim of the crime, so your coworkers, : neighbors or anyone close to you won't be the subject of these kind of : attack in the name of finding out "truth".
m*n
109 楼
你要用英文辩论那就得把时态搞对了,要不然就跟胡说是一个性质。 I don't know if there would be that
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Even the police restart the investigation, I don't know if there would be : any concrete result one way or another. I think both Sun and Bei knows that : very well.
I have never seen a case in US that some people who just happen to be next to a crime, when they are not even named as a "potential party of interest" by the police, have their personal information publicized with call for attacks. Even if there is some kind of "journalist investigation", it is really unlikely the real current personal information will be disclosed.
你用中文和英文给我解释一下,啥叫 who just happen to be next to a crime。 啥叫 just, 啥叫happen to be, 啥叫be next to,啥叫crime
next "
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I have never seen a case in US that some people who just happen to be next : to a crime, when they are not even named as a "potential party of interest" : by the police, have their personal information publicized with call for : attacks. Even if there is some kind of "journalist investigation", it is : really unlikely the real current personal information will be disclosed.
a*7
117 楼
你的说法象是break-in,更耸人听闻一些
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : Didn't you remember similarly?
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : I have never seen a case in US that some people who just happen to be next : to a crime, when they are not even named as a "potential party of interest" : by the police, have their personal information publicized with call for : attacks. Even if there is some kind of "journalist investigation", it is : really unlikely the real current personal information will be disclosed.
在网上说自己认为肯定是谁,有什么问题? 谁都知道这只是个人判断,只要没有捏造 事实。至于生活中的骚扰,那个是非法的,自然有法律去管。 至于犯罪的证据,这世界上就没有100%的证据这回事。比如即使你说你目睹了某事发生 ,可是不是每个人都看见了啊,那没看见的人可以说你看花眼了或者甚至有意陷害呢。 reasonable doubt这事本来就是主观的。即使是这边的陪审团制度,检方正常情况下会 认为自己证据足够,胜算较大吧。不过交到陪审团手里后, 就是检方和辩护律师的博 弈了。不乏的确检方证据不足的case,但是即使是多数人认为的证据确凿,辩护律师还 是总是可以说“is it possible that" 然后给你举出一个天方夜谭(well, let's say 多数人认为是天方夜谭)的另一个可能性。有人buy it有人does not。 说到底,就是检方陈列证据,辩方spin挖漏洞,最后依靠people's judgement. Everyone is entitled to his judgement and has the right to say it out loud。 只不过陪审团成员的意见算数, 你我的不算数。当然对陪审团成员下结论的条件要求 也比咱普通人强,比如不能先入为主,不能有自己偏见,必须基于事实和法律定义啥的 (again in reality,其实完全unbiased的理想状态还是不可能的) 即使是已经判无罪的case,官方结论也无法左右人们的想法。我认识的美国人说自己认 为Simpson,还有Kathy Anthony,是有罪的的多了去了。上网上电视说的人也不少。只 不过在法律上他们的意见irrelevant罢了。 至于朱令这事,主要是从来就没有正式公布办案过程以及事实,又因为事情本身太过 tragic,才有了各种坊间流传。 至于“民意”绑架“法律”一说,这个当然是不好了。不过在这里并没有发生吧。是先 有了公安调查,再有了“民意”的纷纷扰扰。只不过到现在为止仍然只是民意的纷纷扰 扰而已。如果这民意能够让公安重启调查,难道不是大功德一件麽?至于重启之后,法 律系统该干啥干啥,该起诉的起诉,该还清白的给还清白。就没民意啥事了。
-在美国的福利制度下,康女士能得到的福利本来就 This is your speculation and not true at all. Go open a Sunday edition of any major newspaper and find the obituaries section. Some of the announcement will have description of the donation method at the end. Majority of the call for donations were to some kind of charity foundations. I have seen plenty of call for donation to the family of the deceased, especially if the deceased was of middle age with family left behind. And don't whitewash the vicious attack on Kang as "华人社区用自己的方式惩罚 了康女士". Venomous venting of cowards hiding behind a keyboard really doesn 't represent 华人社区. You don't even know who they are or where they are at.
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】 : -在美国的福利制度下,康女士能得到的福利本来就 : This is your speculation and not true at all. Go open a Sunday edition of : any major newspaper and find the obituaries section. Some of the : announcement will have description of the donation method at the end. : Majority of the call for donations were to some kind of charity foundations. : I have seen plenty of call for donation to the family of the deceased, : especially if the deceased was of middle age with family left behind. : And don't whitewash the vicious attack on Kang as "华人社区用自己的方式惩罚 : 了康女士". Venomous venting of cowards hiding behind a keyboard really doesn : 't represent 华人社区. You don't even know who they are or where they are
My bad. I replied to your post thinking you made an honest mistake by stating your speculation as a fact. If I had know you are just one of those people who "know it all" and is "never" wrong, I wouldn't have bothered. You can keep on showing off your "wisdom" and I won't waste any of my time commenting on your post again.