看了the social network，有些伤感# LeisureTime - 读书听歌看电影
w*m
1 楼
莫名的
挺好的，值得一看，就算你不是大卫•芬奇（七宗罪，异形3，搏击俱乐部，十二
宫，返老还童）的粉丝
挺好的，值得一看，就算你不是大卫•芬奇（七宗罪，异形3，搏击俱乐部，十二
宫，返老还童）的粉丝
s*n
2 楼
收了
靠，我们这里release date又比你们晚俩礼拜，凭什么啊。
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 莫名的
: 挺好的，值得一看，就算你不是大卫•芬奇（七宗罪，异形3，搏击俱乐部，十二
: 宫，返老还童）的粉丝
靠，我们这里release date又比你们晚俩礼拜，凭什么啊。
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 莫名的
: 挺好的，值得一看，就算你不是大卫•芬奇（七宗罪，异形3，搏击俱乐部，十二
: 宫，返老还童）的粉丝
s*n
3 楼
理解，那么鼎鼎大名的人物，还是活着的，那么年轻富裕的，居然是个A-hole。
偶像的形象轰然倒塌鸟。
人啊人，都是一堆猪狗不如的玩意儿。
偶像的形象轰然倒塌鸟。
人啊人，都是一堆猪狗不如的玩意儿。
w*m
4 楼
倒还算不上偶像，对facebook不了解，一年也上不了一次，就是小伙子最后孤家寡人的
网上叫好声一片，偶尔的批评说编剧有点anti-geek 呵呵
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 理解，那么鼎鼎大名的人物，还是活着的，那么年轻富裕的，居然是个A-hole。
: 偶像的形象轰然倒塌鸟。
: 人啊人，都是一堆猪狗不如的玩意儿。
网上叫好声一片，偶尔的批评说编剧有点anti-geek 呵呵
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 理解，那么鼎鼎大名的人物，还是活着的，那么年轻富裕的，居然是个A-hole。
: 偶像的形象轰然倒塌鸟。
: 人啊人，都是一堆猪狗不如的玩意儿。
s*n
5 楼
这个是anti-(egotist+asshole)。不过人Zukerberg不care，这片算是进一步宣传扩大
公司知名度的好机会。
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 倒还算不上偶像，对facebook不了解，一年也上不了一次，就是小伙子最后孤家寡人的
: 网上叫好声一片，偶尔的批评说编剧有点anti-geek 呵呵
公司知名度的好机会。
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 倒还算不上偶像，对facebook不了解，一年也上不了一次，就是小伙子最后孤家寡人的
: 网上叫好声一片，偶尔的批评说编剧有点anti-geek 呵呵
s*i
6 楼
还没看这个电影，不过最近的Time上有一个对这个电影导演的访谈，还有点意思。导演
说他们其实也不是想说facebook这件事谁对谁错，只是想借助这个setup表现点人性（
这个词是不是用得有点太俗了。。。），自称是一个现代版的greek tragedy
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2020809,00.html
Thursday, Sep. 23, 2010
The Making of the Facebook Movie: A TIME Roundtable
By Lev Grossman
There are a lot of reasons, pretty good ones, why Aaron Sorkin and David
Fincher might have chosen not to make The Social Network. For example, it's
a movie about a website. Or to be specific, it's a movie about the creation
of a website, Facebook, and how founder Mark Zuckerberg was sued by Eduardo
Saverin, his best friend and the company's original CFO, and separately by
three Harvard classmates who claimed he stole their idea.
Also, the events in question are only a few years old and are still in
dispute. Zuckerberg, a programming genius with famously limited social
skills, isn't an especially relatable character. Sorkin (The West Wing) and
Fincher (Zodiac) are powerfully idiosyncratic talents who'd never worked
together before. And a lot of the action consists of kids typing at
computers and lawyers sitting around tables. (See TIME's Fall Entertainment
Preview 2010.)
But Sorkin and Fincher did make The Social Network, which opens Oct. 1. They
sat down with TIME's Lev Grossman to talk about it.
TIME: What made you decide that this was the story you wanted to tell right
now?
Sorkin: What came to me was a 14-page book proposal that Ben Mezrich [author
of The Accidental Billionaires, on which the movie is loosely based] had
written for his publisher. I read it, and I said yes very quickly. Faster
than I've ever said yes to anything.
It really didn't have much at all to do with Facebook itself. I wasn't on
Facebook. I don't spend a lot of time on the Internet, and social networking
wasn't really part of my life. But the story itself! There are elements of
it that are as old as storytelling: friendship and loyalty, class, jealousy,
betrayal — all those kinds of things that were being written about 4,000
years ago. It struck me as a great big classic story. And those classic
elements were being applied to something incredibly contemporary. (See how
Facebook is redefining Internet privacy.)
TIME: It's almost like a Greek myth. There's something tragic about
Zuckerberg. He created a new kind of personal connection for everybody else,
and yet he cannot himself connect with other people.
Fincher: That was the thing that fascinated us in doing the research about
Zuckerberg. I think in a weird way his inability to connect with those next
to him — who better to have invented this technology than somebody who
needs it?
Sorkin: The first thing I did when I signed up for this movie was, I got a
Facebook page. And the thing that struck me most was how much people were
enjoying reinventing themselves on the Internet. That if you write a simple
post like "Went out to this restaurant with the girls last night, had a
seven-course meal, three appletinis, better hit the gym today," you're
trying to be Ally McBeal. You sound like a sitcom person, like Mary Richards
or Carrie Bradshaw.
And that struck me as something familiar. I also am not terribly comfortable
socially. I have a lot of social anxiety. If I could just be in a room by
myself and just write and sort of slip the pages under the door to somebody
and have them slip me a meal in return, I'd be very happy.
Fincher: I hope that people understand that I have an enormous amount of
empathy for Mark Zuckerberg. I know what it is to be in a room, as a 21-year
-old, with a bunch of grownups. You're hawking your wares, and they're all
looking at you like, "Isn't it cute how passionate he is?" So I really
understood his frustration. (See what Facebook users think about the social-
networking site.)
TIME: And you guys had never worked together before?
Both: Nope.
Sorkin: It was, for me at least, a very interesting and counterintuitive
marriage of director and material, because what he is most known for is that
he's peerless as a visual director. And I write people talking in rooms. So
you wouldn't necessarily think of David first for this.
See pictures of Facebook's headquarters.
See 10 people caught on Facebook, including the White House gate crashers.
TIME: It must have been a challenge to make the computer stuff visually
exciting — people hunched over keyboards.
Fincher: You show shots of someone typing that are as short as you can
possibly make them. But it was contextualized interestingly, in that here is
somebody hard at work f___ing with the fabric of the outside world, and
here's his fantasy of what the outside world is going through. So you could
ping-pong back and forth between those two ideas. But part of it is a
fantasy. It extends to the casting of Justin Timberlake. A lot of people
said, "That's not who [Napster co-founder] Sean Parker is." And I kept
fighting for this. It doesn't matter who Sean Parker is; this character of
Zuckerberg has to see him as this. He's got to see him as the guy
说他们其实也不是想说facebook这件事谁对谁错，只是想借助这个setup表现点人性（
这个词是不是用得有点太俗了。。。），自称是一个现代版的greek tragedy
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2020809,00.html
Thursday, Sep. 23, 2010
The Making of the Facebook Movie: A TIME Roundtable
By Lev Grossman
There are a lot of reasons, pretty good ones, why Aaron Sorkin and David
Fincher might have chosen not to make The Social Network. For example, it's
a movie about a website. Or to be specific, it's a movie about the creation
of a website, Facebook, and how founder Mark Zuckerberg was sued by Eduardo
Saverin, his best friend and the company's original CFO, and separately by
three Harvard classmates who claimed he stole their idea.
Also, the events in question are only a few years old and are still in
dispute. Zuckerberg, a programming genius with famously limited social
skills, isn't an especially relatable character. Sorkin (The West Wing) and
Fincher (Zodiac) are powerfully idiosyncratic talents who'd never worked
together before. And a lot of the action consists of kids typing at
computers and lawyers sitting around tables. (See TIME's Fall Entertainment
Preview 2010.)
But Sorkin and Fincher did make The Social Network, which opens Oct. 1. They
sat down with TIME's Lev Grossman to talk about it.
TIME: What made you decide that this was the story you wanted to tell right
now?
Sorkin: What came to me was a 14-page book proposal that Ben Mezrich [author
of The Accidental Billionaires, on which the movie is loosely based] had
written for his publisher. I read it, and I said yes very quickly. Faster
than I've ever said yes to anything.
It really didn't have much at all to do with Facebook itself. I wasn't on
Facebook. I don't spend a lot of time on the Internet, and social networking
wasn't really part of my life. But the story itself! There are elements of
it that are as old as storytelling: friendship and loyalty, class, jealousy,
betrayal — all those kinds of things that were being written about 4,000
years ago. It struck me as a great big classic story. And those classic
elements were being applied to something incredibly contemporary. (See how
Facebook is redefining Internet privacy.)
TIME: It's almost like a Greek myth. There's something tragic about
Zuckerberg. He created a new kind of personal connection for everybody else,
and yet he cannot himself connect with other people.
Fincher: That was the thing that fascinated us in doing the research about
Zuckerberg. I think in a weird way his inability to connect with those next
to him — who better to have invented this technology than somebody who
needs it?
Sorkin: The first thing I did when I signed up for this movie was, I got a
Facebook page. And the thing that struck me most was how much people were
enjoying reinventing themselves on the Internet. That if you write a simple
post like "Went out to this restaurant with the girls last night, had a
seven-course meal, three appletinis, better hit the gym today," you're
trying to be Ally McBeal. You sound like a sitcom person, like Mary Richards
or Carrie Bradshaw.
And that struck me as something familiar. I also am not terribly comfortable
socially. I have a lot of social anxiety. If I could just be in a room by
myself and just write and sort of slip the pages under the door to somebody
and have them slip me a meal in return, I'd be very happy.
Fincher: I hope that people understand that I have an enormous amount of
empathy for Mark Zuckerberg. I know what it is to be in a room, as a 21-year
-old, with a bunch of grownups. You're hawking your wares, and they're all
looking at you like, "Isn't it cute how passionate he is?" So I really
understood his frustration. (See what Facebook users think about the social-
networking site.)
TIME: And you guys had never worked together before?
Both: Nope.
Sorkin: It was, for me at least, a very interesting and counterintuitive
marriage of director and material, because what he is most known for is that
he's peerless as a visual director. And I write people talking in rooms. So
you wouldn't necessarily think of David first for this.
See pictures of Facebook's headquarters.
See 10 people caught on Facebook, including the White House gate crashers.
TIME: It must have been a challenge to make the computer stuff visually
exciting — people hunched over keyboards.
Fincher: You show shots of someone typing that are as short as you can
possibly make them. But it was contextualized interestingly, in that here is
somebody hard at work f___ing with the fabric of the outside world, and
here's his fantasy of what the outside world is going through. So you could
ping-pong back and forth between those two ideas. But part of it is a
fantasy. It extends to the casting of Justin Timberlake. A lot of people
said, "That's not who [Napster co-founder] Sean Parker is." And I kept
fighting for this. It doesn't matter who Sean Parker is; this character of
Zuckerberg has to see him as this. He's got to see him as the guy
s*n
7 楼
就是借公司发展的壳，下character study的蛋。
s
creation
【在 s*********i 的大作中提到】
: 还没看这个电影，不过最近的Time上有一个对这个电影导演的访谈，还有点意思。导演
: 说他们其实也不是想说facebook这件事谁对谁错，只是想借助这个setup表现点人性（
: 这个词是不是用得有点太俗了。。。），自称是一个现代版的greek tragedy
: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2020809,00.html
: Thursday, Sep. 23, 2010
: The Making of the Facebook Movie: A TIME Roundtable
: By Lev Grossman
: There are a lot of reasons, pretty good ones, why Aaron Sorkin and David
: Fincher might have chosen not to make The Social Network. For example, it's
: a movie about a website. Or to be specific, it's a movie about the creation
s
creation
【在 s*********i 的大作中提到】
: 还没看这个电影，不过最近的Time上有一个对这个电影导演的访谈，还有点意思。导演
: 说他们其实也不是想说facebook这件事谁对谁错，只是想借助这个setup表现点人性（
: 这个词是不是用得有点太俗了。。。），自称是一个现代版的greek tragedy
: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2020809,00.html
: Thursday, Sep. 23, 2010
: The Making of the Facebook Movie: A TIME Roundtable
: By Lev Grossman
: There are a lot of reasons, pretty good ones, why Aaron Sorkin and David
: Fincher might have chosen not to make The Social Network. For example, it's
: a movie about a website. Or to be specific, it's a movie about the creation
w*m
8 楼
昨天回家的公车上把这篇看了，确实，太阳下无新事，基本的元素，4000年前的希腊悲
剧都能找到，不过现在社会的希腊式英雄，不再是那时侯身体上完美杰出的人，而更多
的是头脑、事业、社会上的出类拔萃
如果把英雄看作神性和人性共存的混合体（确实很多英雄本身就是人神杂交的混血），
其实就算希腊神话本身，越接近晚期的时候，英雄身上的神性越少，而人性越多，所谓
“人性”，即纯靠令人惊叹的体力取胜慢慢消失，取而代之是智慧，甚至可以说诡计，
最好的例子，晚期的伊阿宋取金羊毛
时，几乎已经没有具有神力的英雄了，基本上（包括伊阿宋本人）都更象是凡人，而伊
阿宋更是通过“玩弄”女人的感情来取得自己的利益，为达目的不择手段，这点和电影
中Mark的做事很象。
可你很难说是对是错，正如Mark反驳Twins最有力的两句话
1 If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook.
2 You have part of my attention - you have the minimum amount. The rest of
my attention is back at the offices of Facebook, where my colleagues and I
are doing things that no one in this room, including and especially your
clients, are intellectually or creatively
capable of doing.
也许这就是英雄和枭雄的区别，也许我们，在亚当吃了苹果，普罗米修斯偷来天火之后
，就更需要枭雄而不是英雄
都说英雄不问出处，这个“出处”，狭义上指出身，如果把眼光在放宽一点，或许还可
以理解为什么样的手段成的英雄，那还是“不问”了吧。
s
creation
【在 s*********i 的大作中提到】
: 还没看这个电影，不过最近的Time上有一个对这个电影导演的访谈，还有点意思。导演
: 说他们其实也不是想说facebook这件事谁对谁错，只是想借助这个setup表现点人性（
: 这个词是不是用得有点太俗了。。。），自称是一个现代版的greek tragedy
: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2020809,00.html
: Thursday, Sep. 23, 2010
: The Making of the Facebook Movie: A TIME Roundtable
: By Lev Grossman
: There are a lot of reasons, pretty good ones, why Aaron Sorkin and David
: Fincher might have chosen not to make The Social Network. For example, it's
: a movie about a website. Or to be specific, it's a movie about the creation
剧都能找到，不过现在社会的希腊式英雄，不再是那时侯身体上完美杰出的人，而更多
的是头脑、事业、社会上的出类拔萃
如果把英雄看作神性和人性共存的混合体（确实很多英雄本身就是人神杂交的混血），
其实就算希腊神话本身，越接近晚期的时候，英雄身上的神性越少，而人性越多，所谓
“人性”，即纯靠令人惊叹的体力取胜慢慢消失，取而代之是智慧，甚至可以说诡计，
最好的例子，晚期的伊阿宋取金羊毛
时，几乎已经没有具有神力的英雄了，基本上（包括伊阿宋本人）都更象是凡人，而伊
阿宋更是通过“玩弄”女人的感情来取得自己的利益，为达目的不择手段，这点和电影
中Mark的做事很象。
可你很难说是对是错，正如Mark反驳Twins最有力的两句话
1 If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook.
2 You have part of my attention - you have the minimum amount. The rest of
my attention is back at the offices of Facebook, where my colleagues and I
are doing things that no one in this room, including and especially your
clients, are intellectually or creatively
capable of doing.
也许这就是英雄和枭雄的区别，也许我们，在亚当吃了苹果，普罗米修斯偷来天火之后
，就更需要枭雄而不是英雄
都说英雄不问出处，这个“出处”，狭义上指出身，如果把眼光在放宽一点，或许还可
以理解为什么样的手段成的英雄，那还是“不问”了吧。
s
creation
【在 s*********i 的大作中提到】
: 还没看这个电影，不过最近的Time上有一个对这个电影导演的访谈，还有点意思。导演
: 说他们其实也不是想说facebook这件事谁对谁错，只是想借助这个setup表现点人性（
: 这个词是不是用得有点太俗了。。。），自称是一个现代版的greek tragedy
: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2020809,00.html
: Thursday, Sep. 23, 2010
: The Making of the Facebook Movie: A TIME Roundtable
: By Lev Grossman
: There are a lot of reasons, pretty good ones, why Aaron Sorkin and David
: Fincher might have chosen not to make The Social Network. For example, it's
: a movie about a website. Or to be specific, it's a movie about the creation
J*8
9 楼
说到FB, 我有好几个朋友是FB迷, 每天理不开的那种,
而且年龄群不等, 有大到60几的.
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 倒还算不上偶像，对facebook不了解，一年也上不了一次，就是小伙子最后孤家寡人的
: 网上叫好声一片，偶尔的批评说编剧有点anti-geek 呵呵
而且年龄群不等, 有大到60几的.
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 倒还算不上偶像，对facebook不了解，一年也上不了一次，就是小伙子最后孤家寡人的
: 网上叫好声一片，偶尔的批评说编剧有点anti-geek 呵呵
w*m
10 楼
我觉得迷FB的和年龄无关 和是否有八卦潜质有关
我这种一年上一次的 基本算是网络社交恐惧症
实话实说，我到现在也想不明白FB的点到底是什么，更不明白为什么这么火
【在 J*********8 的大作中提到】
: 说到FB, 我有好几个朋友是FB迷, 每天理不开的那种,
: 而且年龄群不等, 有大到60几的.
我这种一年上一次的 基本算是网络社交恐惧症
实话实说，我到现在也想不明白FB的点到底是什么，更不明白为什么这么火
【在 J*********8 的大作中提到】
: 说到FB, 我有好几个朋友是FB迷, 每天理不开的那种,
: 而且年龄群不等, 有大到60几的.
d*d
11 楼
呵呵，我看完了，觉得比较兴奋
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 莫名的
: 挺好的，值得一看，就算你不是大卫•芬奇（七宗罪，异形3，搏击俱乐部，十二
: 宫，返老还童）的粉丝
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 莫名的
: 挺好的，值得一看，就算你不是大卫•芬奇（七宗罪，异形3，搏击俱乐部，十二
: 宫，返老还童）的粉丝
w*m
12 楼
Time的影评说 观众看完了的反应两极分化
年轻一代很兴奋，觉得是天才，很牛
年老的一代更关注道德层面
呵呵
【在 d*******d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我看完了，觉得比较兴奋
年轻一代很兴奋，觉得是天才，很牛
年老的一代更关注道德层面
呵呵
【在 d*******d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我看完了，觉得比较兴奋
M*8
13 楼
我觉得FB是满足了很多人的暴露欲和偷窥欲，并使之成为理所当然。
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得迷FB的和年龄无关 和是否有八卦潜质有关
: 我这种一年上一次的 基本算是网络社交恐惧症
: 实话实说，我到现在也想不明白FB的点到底是什么，更不明白为什么这么火
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得迷FB的和年龄无关 和是否有八卦潜质有关
: 我这种一年上一次的 基本算是网络社交恐惧症
: 实话实说，我到现在也想不明白FB的点到底是什么，更不明白为什么这么火
d*d
14 楼
呵呵，很好，学习文豪，保持童心。
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: Time的影评说 观众看完了的反应两极分化
: 年轻一代很兴奋，觉得是天才，很牛
: 年老的一代更关注道德层面
: 呵呵
【在 w**m 的大作中提到】
: Time的影评说 观众看完了的反应两极分化
: 年轻一代很兴奋，觉得是天才，很牛
: 年老的一代更关注道德层面
: 呵呵
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