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I*p2010-07-07 07:07

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请教版上有经验的行家：有一篇N/C的manuscript 被拒了，reviewers鸡蛋里挑骨头，
意见比较负面，这种情况下是address all comments 然后按照上面的提示transfer 到
下一个档次的journal，还是 submit it as a new manuscript好？我们大概能够很容
易address 一半多点的major comments, 这样似乎省了review的时间，但是后者的好处
是editor不会知道这些负面的comments，却不知新的reviewers 会提什么意见。看了
生物版上说hold住别人的东西然后自己赶紧做再把人挤掉的很多例子，担心拖得太久
，被reviewer中的人抢先发了，纠结中。有多少可能和下一个档次的journal editor
negotiate?多谢意见!!

M*92010-07-07 07:07

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这个先得怪我自己，熟人介绍的老中,没签合同就做, 基本都是口头承诺,
remodel bathroom + 内部油漆
浴室开始就知道有漏水要修地板,还有一处水管要换，以及厨房上一条裂缝，我作为两
个大项目谈了
价格
刚开始两天就要价钱, 修地板， $700, 为了避免问题答应了,
现在两个bathroom有些问题，比如淋浴头没装对, backflash有没打胶的，还有一个浴
缸有一角
容易积水，一天都干不了，坚持是产品问题，还说预先知道告诉我也没法解决
油漆感觉是受骗, 说好ceiling和墙面全部打texture的，只是ceiling做到了，墙面就
直接刷
漆，理由是我的价钱低，要+$3000才做到，
过程中同时接了其他项目，老找不到，请个老莫油漆工，什么都不管就喷，我赶紧自己
在晚上把能卸
的卸掉，新的排风扇里面都是灰跟油漆，还有马桶开关，closet地面都被喷了，
发现早的提到了当面承认后面也不改，
现在剩下：
tub门，房间和garage的门，发现的好些问题，hall way的油漆要求修，很多都是刀痕
，提到这
些问题他就不高兴，说是还要拿单项出来收钱，
油漆要加几百理由

I*A2010-07-07 07:07

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穿思佛吧，方便。
同一个出版社的话，会有记录，你按照新稿投也会有若干问题比如之前是否投稿到本出
版社的杂志等等，编辑能获得的信息和穿思佛一样。
想换审稿人，那就干脆换个出版社投稿

【在 I****p 的大作中提到】

: 请教版上有经验的行家：有一篇N/C的manuscript 被拒了，reviewers鸡蛋里挑骨头，
: 意见比较负面，这种情况下是address all comments 然后按照上面的提示transfer 到
: 下一个档次的journal，还是 submit it as a new manuscript好？我们大概能够很容
: 易address 一半多点的major comments, 这样似乎省了review的时间，但是后者的好处
: 是editor不会知道这些负面的comments，却不知新的reviewers 会提什么意见。看了
: 生物版上说hold住别人的东西然后自己赶紧做再把人挤掉的很多例子，担心拖得太久
: ，被reviewer中的人抢先发了，纠结中。有多少可能和下一个档次的journal editor
: negotiate?多谢意见!!

T*e2010-07-07 07:07

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没contract? 不理他就完了，他来找碴就call police

【在 M******9 的大作中提到】

: 这个先得怪我自己，熟人介绍的老中,没签合同就做, 基本都是口头承诺,
: remodel bathroom + 内部油漆
: 浴室开始就知道有漏水要修地板,还有一处水管要换，以及厨房上一条裂缝，我作为两
: 个大项目谈了
: 价格
: 刚开始两天就要价钱, 修地板， $700, 为了避免问题答应了,
: 现在两个bathroom有些问题，比如淋浴头没装对, backflash有没打胶的，还有一个浴
: 缸有一角
: 容易积水，一天都干不了，坚持是产品问题，还说预先知道告诉我也没法解决
: 油漆感觉是受骗, 说好ceiling和墙面全部打texture的，只是ceiling做到了，墙面就

M*92010-07-07 07:07

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这个是最后杀手锏? 咱们还是希望和谐为贵, 这些人看上去老实, 老狡猾的...
我想有经验了自己当contractor找人来做，你还可以比他们老板pay多点，双方都
happy

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 没contract? 不理他就完了，他来找碴就call police

d*e2010-07-07 07:07

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第一不能找中国人，再便宜也不能找，
第二不能不签合同，再熟也得签。

t*32010-07-07 07:07

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教训，一定要有合同。说说看，你的房子多大，多少房间，直刷漆他们一共要多少钱？
这样可以估计他们收费是否合理。
有颜色的墙至少两层漆才能盖住。修裂缝等一般要加钱。

d*s2010-07-07 07:07

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你的事不大，不适合找contractor做，油漆如果找专业做，会收很多钱，如果找老中就
这么点钱，谁认真帮你做？并且油漆是个人都会做，他自然会低价外包出去，他自己做
别人做不了的活，这个是经济规律。我遇到的contractor，没有一个不外包的，关键
是外包的质量如何，这个说实话，他自己也不知道，经验越多的，当然质量就越好。
浴室如果是修，就要不了多少钱，估计也不会认真给你做。
老中装修最适合就是重新做，这样价钱上去了，一些小活他就帮你顺手做了。如果是重
新装修，他没有做好，那确实是水平不够。你在开始找contractor之前，要好好看看他
以前的装修，然后私下找以前的房主问问。
有合同也没有用，到时候你即使打小额法庭官司，他输了，你也没有办法拿到钱，因为
他的银行账户都空了，法庭也不会派人帮你去拿钱。

d*12010-07-07 07:07

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1.这也是很多小工程宁可自己动手, 请他们做自己请假在家等他们,伺候他们,还花钱买
罪受(总给你拖拉)
2.也不是说签了合同就万事大吉, 就象前面说的那样,即使告到法庭,你赢了也难拿回钱
来, 他们最怕的是名声,所以你一开始就暗示,你有很广的联系,要没做好对他们以后日
子难过. 特别是中国人,圈子这么小,一臭就没饭吃了.
3.不知道你在那个州,你要麻州的话,看看这些装修的,看看他们是不是? 别惹那些上黑
名单的.
http://www.madizhu.com/yellowpage.php?category=renovation
现在知道的有两个黑名单:
http://www.madizhu.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=31

【在 M******9 的大作中提到】

M*92010-07-07 07:07

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Thanks, my house is about 1600 sft, 4 bed + 2 living, painting price
about
~$4k, 2 bath room
remodel about $8K,
I compared with several LAOZHONG, this price is highest, I want to find
someone I can trust, so ...
I already paid 10K, it's like a trap, like initially the agreement
is do texture for ceiling and wall, later on ask +$3000 more for
texture.
There are two additional project added later on, replace door (no
paint), each $100, install lamp each $100(some re-wired),
Total labor only ~$14k,

M*92010-07-07 07:07

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I am wondering how many trouble I will get once I terminate with this
contractor... spend so many time and money already.

t*32010-07-07 07:07

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最近我们雇人室内刷漆，刷单色漆和补缝平均人工（美国人）每个房间$100（厕所免费
），我们出油漆费。看他忙我也帮着刷。油漆费不贵（总共~$200）。
我问他Texture大概每个房间$300.
墨西哥人刷单色漆但不补缝也是每个房间$100，包油漆。还可以讲价。

【在 M******9 的大作中提到】

: Thanks, my house is about 1600 sft, 4 bed + 2 living, painting price
: about
: ~$4k, 2 bath room
: remodel about $8K,
: I compared with several LAOZHONG, this price is highest, I want to find
: someone I can trust, so ...
: I already paid 10K, it's like a trap, like initially the agreement
: is do texture for ceiling and wall, later on ask +$3000 more for
: texture.
: There are two additional project added later on, replace door (no

i*22010-07-07 07:07

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I always signed a contract with contractors.
But Chinese contractor don't like signing contract. I met a same chinese
contractor recently, he told me he could repair the A/C in several days and
still he didn't work on it.
I hired a Mexican contractor before. he is so fast and handy. he finish the
remodeling in three days with good quality and we signed a contract and I
pay him exactly the price on the contract.
You could find American and Mexican contractors in Criaglist or local
newspaper. I f

【在 M******9 的大作中提到】

i*22010-07-07 07:07

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If you keep paying him, he will ask more.
I paid $7000 for painting whole house, two bathroom remodeling, kitchen
remoedling with granite counter and etc.. So they alredy overcharge you a
lot. I couldn't believe they charge you $14k for labor.
Reading your story make me think my another experience one more time. I
hired a mexican guy who looks very nice and he is the worst person and
greediest person I have met. I called him everyday for the progress of the
work and he always told me he is sick,

M*92010-07-07 07:07

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thanks guys.
this contractor has no licence. Later on I got know he hired a Mexican for
painting for $80/day, which is the lowest pay in CA. This project took about
1 month and I think he had 2~3 project at same time.

s*82010-07-07 07:07

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I had similar experience before. I terminated contractor midway, paid him
what he asked for for the work he has done, and re-hired someone else to
finish the work.
I thought of pay him less since he has done a really poor job, but since he
knows my address, i don't want to cause trouble for future. it's just a
few thousands dollar, pay him to buy peace. and it's a good lesson learned,
that never hire people like him again.

t*r2010-07-07 07:07

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If he has no license, its not that difficult to deal with him, but you have
to deal with it in American way. Its illegal in CA to contract work more
than $500 without a license. go to http://www.cslb.ca.gov for more information:
"# First time offenses for contracting without a license are usually a
misdemeanor, carrying a potential sentence of up to six months in jail and/
or a $500 fine, along with a potential administrative fine of $200 to $15,
000.
# The penalties go up with subsequent violat

【在 M******9 的大作中提到】

: thanks guys.
: this contractor has no licence. Later on I got know he hired a Mexican for
: painting for $80/day, which is the lowest pay in CA. This project took about
: 1 month and I think he had 2~3 project at same time.

g*c2010-07-07 07:07

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你这个房子里面油漆撑死2K
我也remodel过两个卫生间，全部敲掉重做，
包括水电，半截墙壁贴瓷砖，到最后的油漆，
工钱才3K，还是因为旧的墙壁有点类似钢筋
水泥太难砸，加的500(事先说好的)
所以你是遇人不淑

W*n2010-07-07 07:07

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这种事情一定要先小人后君子。有时我也一样摸不开面子，　再次告诫自己。