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我被洛杉矶某老中律师以敲诈罪威胁
我发本文的目的,是讲述我被某老中律师以敲诈罪威胁的故事,目的主要在于寻求帮助
和对策,当然我将会寻求自己上班的公司律师或外面专长于民事纠纷的律师的法律建议
。另外,这是为了给版上的所有同学一个反面教材:版上的律师软文不可信。他们的责
任感和专业值得大家质疑,特别在你要打算签约,希望你反复考察再签约。其实,以前
也有不少人总结同样的经验,我以前见过这样的帖子。如果你已经签约,祝你绿卡申请
好运!
现在暂时不公布老中律师的名字。如果你签约了,想证实你的律师是不是我说的老中律
师,站内联系。这个版上有人说某些律师很好,也有不少人说某些律师是无良。
===========================
真实故事,以下按照实际顺序阐述。
今年8月上旬签约洛杉矶某老中律师,我先付$2500,如果140拿到批准,我需要再付$
2000。(现在通过比较其他律师,有不少律师在这$4500里负责写推荐信和petition
letter等等,但是这家洛杉矶老中律师不写推荐信,写推荐信需要商量价格。版上的同
学要签约,建议万分慎重!)
签约以后我和律师讨论过EB1A申请策略和推荐人名单。大约三个星期前,我把第一封推
荐信发给律师,一周以后,律师修改以后发给我。我看完以后,发现律师除了改几个单
词和提供四条comments外,没有写一个句子。我想,这就是这个移民版的同学经常遇到
的那种情形,律师只做很小的改动,申请人自己需要花费很多心思来写和修改。我现在
体验到律师的那种责任感和专业,和那些律师软文说的故事差别非常大。所以,版上的
同学要注意,律师软文不可信。
上个周末看了这封推荐信很久,对律师的工作十分失望,于是在09/28/2014(星期天)
晚上联系律师要求终止合约和要求部分退款$1500,这是因为律师在刚刚签订合约的时候
在电话解答了部分问题和提供一些模板,所以我没有要求退全款。现在重新看合约,这
种合约只是不平等条约,除了有一条是律师的义务,其余全是客户的责任和义务。再说
第一条,律师的义务说得非常含糊,没有一个明确的标准来评判他们的工作质量,他们
可以稍微做一点事情,就可以说我履行了我的义务。请这种律师,还不如DIY。这种合
约是律师发来的模板,希望版上的同学以后吸取本人的教训,要拒绝这种律师义务非常
空洞的合约。老实说,这种合约,对于这些无良律师没有任何约束力。
这个周二(09/30/2014),律师回信:Sorry to hear that you are not satisfied
with our revision.但律师不同意退款,希望我继续通过他们申请绿卡。这种回信虚伪
。因为我对他们律师的责任感和专业非常怀疑,所以不会打算信任这种律师。
这个周三(10/01/2014),我发信給律师,继续要求部分退款,否则我会把他们的推荐
信修改稿挂到mitbbs供大家鉴赏。我的email原文除了删除名字和那洛杉矶律师信息外
,其余一字不改地贴在在下面。
这个周五(10/03/2014),律师非常强硬地回信,用加粗的字体回信,严重警告我,说
我在10/01/2014的邮件已经犯了敲诈罪。这一次,他们非常专业地罗列法律条文,非常
认真地解释我怎么敲诈他们律师所,我怎么犯了敲诈罪。如果他们要起诉,我不但没有
机会申请绿卡,还会被关到监狱,刑期长达15年。我一听,这个真的非常吓人。并且,
这是第一次我真正地感受到律师的“专业”,在威胁我的时候他们确实显得很“专业”
。这显然就是合同纠纷,这种老中律师这次显示她的专业水平,硬生生地把这种合同纠
纷扭曲成敲诈罪,扬言我已经犯罪了,可以起诉我。言下之意我们律师大发慈悲,放你
小子一马。按照她给的法律条文extortion 包括To expose, or to impute to him,
her, or them a deformity, disgrace, or crime,我想请这个老中律师回答:你这种
邮件算不算是威胁我?值得注意的是,老中律师的这封邮件的字体都是用加粗和加下划
线的方式,字体比平时都要大一倍,背后的含义似乎在暗示这是很严重的问题。为了让
版上的同学见识一下律师的“专业”,我把他们的邮件中敏感信息包括名字等删除,其
余一字不改地贴在下面。
总结和问题
1.律师软文不可信,不要幻想律师将绿卡送到你的手上。
2. 请教大家,我的邮件(贴在下面)被律师扭曲为敲诈,但我认为这是合同纠纷,要
求退钱。请大家评论。
3. 律师的邮件也贴在下面,这种邮件是不是在威胁我?我周一回公司请律师帮我做专
业分析。现在请大家评论。
10/1/2014,我给律师的email
I did trust your law office and have confidence in your lawyers until I
carefully studied the reference letter you revised.
I understand why your law office decline the partial refund request. I also
understand the law office was created for profits. Hence, I fully respect
the decision made by your law office. However, I would fight for my best
interest.
Since you claimed there is no problem with the revised reference letter and
you have great confidence in the quality after checking it one more time,
you shouldn't mind if I let the people online judge the quality of your work
. Perhaps, it may be in your best interest if I post your work on the mitbbs
website and let people judge it, because the people will be convinced by
the quality and the work ethics. After that, it is likely that more people
will become the clients of your law office. However, it is also very likely
that the people may be disappointed at your quality and your potential
clients become the clients of your competitors or they choose DIY.
You are a businesswoman. The price of $1500 is affordable to me. However, it
may not be sensible if you want to keep the $1500 at the risk of ruining
the reputation of your law office and jeopardizing your profits. Now it is
your call whether you want it to happen or not. Let me know your decision by
Friday.
=======================================================
10/03/2014, 洛杉矶老中律师的回信
I am in receipt of your October 1, 2014 email communication in which you
have clearly threatened that unless we pay you $1,500.00 you will take
action to ruin the reputation of this law office. Due to the shocking nature
of this communication I decided to respond to the letter myself.
In my legal opinion you have committed the crime of extortion. This is both
a state and federal crime. For your information, I have printed the relevant
sections of the California Penal Code and highlighted the more relevant
areas. See below:
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
518. Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent,
or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a
wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right.
519. Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a threat,
either:
1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the individual
threatened or of a third person; or,
2. To accuse the individual threatened, or a relative of his or her, or
member of his or her family, of a crime; or,
3. To expose, or to impute to him, her, or them a deformity, disgrace, or
crime; or,
4. To expose a secret affecting him, her, or them; or,
5. To report his, her, or their immigration status or suspected
immigration status.
523. Every person who, with intent to extort any money or other property
from another, sends or delivers to any person any letter or other writing,
whether subscribed or not, expressing or implying, or adapted to imply, any
threat such as is specified in Section 519, is punishable in the same manner
as if such money or property were actually obtained by means of such threat.
This means that no money need to be transferred for the crime of extortion
to be committed.
?
Just so you understand, threatening harm to reputation, as you have clearly
done in your email, unless money is paid, completes the crime of extortion.
Extortion is a felony in all states.
Extortion can take place over the telephone, via mail, text, email or other
computer or wireless communication. Other types of threats sufficient to
constitute extortion include those to harm the victim's business. Many
statutes also provide that any threat to harm another person in his or her
career or reputation is extortion. Again, to be clear, extortion is a crime
both under state and federal law.
In my legal opinion, a perpetrator who sends an extortionary written
communication from one state to another using an email can be prosecuted
under the laws of the state of origin, the laws of the state where the
victim resides and under the federal laws.
My research has discovered that the punishment for extortion is quite varied
and the crime is most often punished as a felony offense. A felony is the
most serious category of crime, one that is punishable by at least a year in
prison and significant fines. I have discovered that in addition to prison
the court can impose fines. Fines for extortion range widely, but can be as
much as $10,000 or more for each conviction. Prison sentences for extortion
can be significant. State laws allow for prison sentences of up to 15 years
or more for each individual extortion attempt.
Other information that you probably would like to know is that extortion is
a crime involving moral turpitude and that any foreigner convicted of the
crime of extortion will lose any chance to obtain any immigration benefit.
I am providing the above as informational only and it contains my own
research and my own legal opinions. You may want to make your own inquiry
and/or conduct your own investigation.
Very truly yours,
我发本文的目的,是讲述我被某老中律师以敲诈罪威胁的故事,目的主要在于寻求帮助
和对策,当然我将会寻求自己上班的公司律师或外面专长于民事纠纷的律师的法律建议
。另外,这是为了给版上的所有同学一个反面教材:版上的律师软文不可信。他们的责
任感和专业值得大家质疑,特别在你要打算签约,希望你反复考察再签约。其实,以前
也有不少人总结同样的经验,我以前见过这样的帖子。如果你已经签约,祝你绿卡申请
好运!
现在暂时不公布老中律师的名字。如果你签约了,想证实你的律师是不是我说的老中律
师,站内联系。这个版上有人说某些律师很好,也有不少人说某些律师是无良。
===========================
真实故事,以下按照实际顺序阐述。
今年8月上旬签约洛杉矶某老中律师,我先付$2500,如果140拿到批准,我需要再付$
2000。(现在通过比较其他律师,有不少律师在这$4500里负责写推荐信和petition
letter等等,但是这家洛杉矶老中律师不写推荐信,写推荐信需要商量价格。版上的同
学要签约,建议万分慎重!)
签约以后我和律师讨论过EB1A申请策略和推荐人名单。大约三个星期前,我把第一封推
荐信发给律师,一周以后,律师修改以后发给我。我看完以后,发现律师除了改几个单
词和提供四条comments外,没有写一个句子。我想,这就是这个移民版的同学经常遇到
的那种情形,律师只做很小的改动,申请人自己需要花费很多心思来写和修改。我现在
体验到律师的那种责任感和专业,和那些律师软文说的故事差别非常大。所以,版上的
同学要注意,律师软文不可信。
上个周末看了这封推荐信很久,对律师的工作十分失望,于是在09/28/2014(星期天)
晚上联系律师要求终止合约和要求部分退款$1500,这是因为律师在刚刚签订合约的时候
在电话解答了部分问题和提供一些模板,所以我没有要求退全款。现在重新看合约,这
种合约只是不平等条约,除了有一条是律师的义务,其余全是客户的责任和义务。再说
第一条,律师的义务说得非常含糊,没有一个明确的标准来评判他们的工作质量,他们
可以稍微做一点事情,就可以说我履行了我的义务。请这种律师,还不如DIY。这种合
约是律师发来的模板,希望版上的同学以后吸取本人的教训,要拒绝这种律师义务非常
空洞的合约。老实说,这种合约,对于这些无良律师没有任何约束力。
这个周二(09/30/2014),律师回信:Sorry to hear that you are not satisfied
with our revision.但律师不同意退款,希望我继续通过他们申请绿卡。这种回信虚伪
。因为我对他们律师的责任感和专业非常怀疑,所以不会打算信任这种律师。
这个周三(10/01/2014),我发信給律师,继续要求部分退款,否则我会把他们的推荐
信修改稿挂到mitbbs供大家鉴赏。我的email原文除了删除名字和那洛杉矶律师信息外
,其余一字不改地贴在在下面。
这个周五(10/03/2014),律师非常强硬地回信,用加粗的字体回信,严重警告我,说
我在10/01/2014的邮件已经犯了敲诈罪。这一次,他们非常专业地罗列法律条文,非常
认真地解释我怎么敲诈他们律师所,我怎么犯了敲诈罪。如果他们要起诉,我不但没有
机会申请绿卡,还会被关到监狱,刑期长达15年。我一听,这个真的非常吓人。并且,
这是第一次我真正地感受到律师的“专业”,在威胁我的时候他们确实显得很“专业”
。这显然就是合同纠纷,这种老中律师这次显示她的专业水平,硬生生地把这种合同纠
纷扭曲成敲诈罪,扬言我已经犯罪了,可以起诉我。言下之意我们律师大发慈悲,放你
小子一马。按照她给的法律条文extortion 包括To expose, or to impute to him,
her, or them a deformity, disgrace, or crime,我想请这个老中律师回答:你这种
邮件算不算是威胁我?值得注意的是,老中律师的这封邮件的字体都是用加粗和加下划
线的方式,字体比平时都要大一倍,背后的含义似乎在暗示这是很严重的问题。为了让
版上的同学见识一下律师的“专业”,我把他们的邮件中敏感信息包括名字等删除,其
余一字不改地贴在下面。
总结和问题
1.律师软文不可信,不要幻想律师将绿卡送到你的手上。
2. 请教大家,我的邮件(贴在下面)被律师扭曲为敲诈,但我认为这是合同纠纷,要
求退钱。请大家评论。
3. 律师的邮件也贴在下面,这种邮件是不是在威胁我?我周一回公司请律师帮我做专
业分析。现在请大家评论。
10/1/2014,我给律师的email
I did trust your law office and have confidence in your lawyers until I
carefully studied the reference letter you revised.
I understand why your law office decline the partial refund request. I also
understand the law office was created for profits. Hence, I fully respect
the decision made by your law office. However, I would fight for my best
interest.
Since you claimed there is no problem with the revised reference letter and
you have great confidence in the quality after checking it one more time,
you shouldn't mind if I let the people online judge the quality of your work
. Perhaps, it may be in your best interest if I post your work on the mitbbs
website and let people judge it, because the people will be convinced by
the quality and the work ethics. After that, it is likely that more people
will become the clients of your law office. However, it is also very likely
that the people may be disappointed at your quality and your potential
clients become the clients of your competitors or they choose DIY.
You are a businesswoman. The price of $1500 is affordable to me. However, it
may not be sensible if you want to keep the $1500 at the risk of ruining
the reputation of your law office and jeopardizing your profits. Now it is
your call whether you want it to happen or not. Let me know your decision by
Friday.
=======================================================
10/03/2014, 洛杉矶老中律师的回信
I am in receipt of your October 1, 2014 email communication in which you
have clearly threatened that unless we pay you $1,500.00 you will take
action to ruin the reputation of this law office. Due to the shocking nature
of this communication I decided to respond to the letter myself.
In my legal opinion you have committed the crime of extortion. This is both
a state and federal crime. For your information, I have printed the relevant
sections of the California Penal Code and highlighted the more relevant
areas. See below:
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
518. Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent,
or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a
wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right.
519. Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a threat,
either:
1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the individual
threatened or of a third person; or,
2. To accuse the individual threatened, or a relative of his or her, or
member of his or her family, of a crime; or,
3. To expose, or to impute to him, her, or them a deformity, disgrace, or
crime; or,
4. To expose a secret affecting him, her, or them; or,
5. To report his, her, or their immigration status or suspected
immigration status.
523. Every person who, with intent to extort any money or other property
from another, sends or delivers to any person any letter or other writing,
whether subscribed or not, expressing or implying, or adapted to imply, any
threat such as is specified in Section 519, is punishable in the same manner
as if such money or property were actually obtained by means of such threat.
This means that no money need to be transferred for the crime of extortion
to be committed.
?
Just so you understand, threatening harm to reputation, as you have clearly
done in your email, unless money is paid, completes the crime of extortion.
Extortion is a felony in all states.
Extortion can take place over the telephone, via mail, text, email or other
computer or wireless communication. Other types of threats sufficient to
constitute extortion include those to harm the victim's business. Many
statutes also provide that any threat to harm another person in his or her
career or reputation is extortion. Again, to be clear, extortion is a crime
both under state and federal law.
In my legal opinion, a perpetrator who sends an extortionary written
communication from one state to another using an email can be prosecuted
under the laws of the state of origin, the laws of the state where the
victim resides and under the federal laws.
My research has discovered that the punishment for extortion is quite varied
and the crime is most often punished as a felony offense. A felony is the
most serious category of crime, one that is punishable by at least a year in
prison and significant fines. I have discovered that in addition to prison
the court can impose fines. Fines for extortion range widely, but can be as
much as $10,000 or more for each conviction. Prison sentences for extortion
can be significant. State laws allow for prison sentences of up to 15 years
or more for each individual extortion attempt.
Other information that you probably would like to know is that extortion is
a crime involving moral turpitude and that any foreigner convicted of the
crime of extortion will lose any chance to obtain any immigration benefit.
I am providing the above as informational only and it contains my own
research and my own legal opinions. You may want to make your own inquiry
and/or conduct your own investigation.
Very truly yours,