t*a
2 楼
我因为还是H4,回去需要去领馆签H4回来.他家网站上只提供F,B, J等类型的预约面谈等
待时间,没有
B2的, 如果有最近这俩月回国签H4,能不能告诉我你是在哪个领馆签? 预约的日期和面
谈的日期要等待
多久?
我首选是去上海签,按原来辖区的说法应该要去广州,所以这两地都问问大家.
谢谢.
待时间,没有
B2的, 如果有最近这俩月回国签H4,能不能告诉我你是在哪个领馆签? 预约的日期和面
谈的日期要等待
多久?
我首选是去上海签,按原来辖区的说法应该要去广州,所以这两地都问问大家.
谢谢.
j*y
3 楼
【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On[zt]
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 27 14:17:00 2012, 美东)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/us/bay-area-technology-profes
Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On
By AARON GLANTZ
Published: January 28, 2012
Silicon Valley may be booming again, but times are still tough for the 200
out-of-work professionals who crowd into Sunnyvale’s City Hall every
Thursday morning.
A nonprofit, nonpartisan news organization providing local coverage of the
San Francisco Bay Area for The New York Times. To join the conversation
about this article, go to baycitizen.org.
Most of them hold advanced degrees in engineering and have more than a
decade of experience in the technology sector. They fill all of the seats in
the City Council chamber and spill out into the aisles.
They are members of Pro Match, a government-financed support group and “
interactive career resource center” for educated older workers who have
suddenly, and usually involuntarily, found themselves on the job market.
Most have been out of work for months.
The job market “is not the same as it was years ago,” said Massimo Sutera,
45, a microprocessor engineer who was laid off last year when his firm,
Zoran Corporation, a video chip maker, was acquired by the British firm C.S.
R., which promptly scaled back its Sunnyvale operations, discontinuing its
investment in digital television systems-on-a-chip. “It’s a mess.”
While Web-based companies like Facebook and Google are scouring the world
for new talent to hire, older technology workers often find that their
skills are no longer valued.
Part of the problem, analysts said, is that many of the companies shedding
jobs are technology manufacturers, while most of the companies that are
hiring are Internet-based.
While employment figures published by the state Employment Development
Department show that Silicon Valley’s technology sector has more than made
up for job losses that occurred early in the recession, the rebound has not
helped everyone.
Cisco Systems, a maker of computer networking equipment that is Santa Clara
County’s largest private employer, laid off 1,331 workers last year. The
semiconductor sector, which used to be the lifeblood of the South Bay’s
economy, has lost 4,600 jobs since 2008.
“These are people who know how to run a factory floor, but most of these
new companies don’t care about that,” said Connie Buck, a career counselor
who helps run Pro Match.
As a result, the South Bay’s unemployment rate, which stood at 8.9 percent
in December, remains higher than the national average.
“The pace of change is just breathtaking,” said Russell Hancock, president
and chief executive of Joint Venture Silicon Valley, a research group
backed by businesses and local governments. “We’ve entered a strange new
world. There are opportunities, but they are different. You have to be edgy
and supercreative.”
“You’re not going to get a job that’s going to be assembly and filing and
coding,” Mr. Hancock said, “and frankly, that can leave a lot of the
older set a little bewildered.”
Hiring managers at the Bay Area’s fastest-growing technology companies were
blunt. Seth Williams, a director of staffing at Google, said his firm was
looking for candidates who are “passionate” and “truly have a desire to
change the world.”
Brendan Browne, who heads hiring at the professional networking site
LinkedIn, said his firm wanted every new hire to be entrepreneurial. Mr.
Browne said that approximately 25 percent of LinkedIn’s new hires came from
the company’s recruitment efforts at colleges and universities.
Lori Goler, the head of human resources and recruiting efforts at Facebook,
said her company was looking for the “college student who built a company
on the side, or an iPhone app over the weekend.” The company also hires
more-experienced workers, if “they are results-focused and can deliver
again.”
Regardless of age, Ms. Goler said, “We ask: Are they going to get to do
what they love to do for fun at work?”
Some observers say much of this language is just code for age discrimination
. They point to the case of Brian Reid, a 52-year-old manager who was fired
by Google in 2004 — nine days before the company announced plans to go
public — after his supervisors, including the company’s vice president for
engineering operations, allegedly called him a poor “cultural fit,” an “
old guy” and a “fuddy-duddy” with ideas “too old to matter.”
Mr. Reid sued Google for age discrimination and said that his unvested stock
options would have been worth at least $45 million if he had stayed there.
Google denied the charges and asked that the suit be dismissed, calling such
remarks “stray comments.” But the California Supreme Court ruled that the
claims, if true, would constitute discrimination. The case was resolved out
of court “to the mutual satisfaction of all parties,” said Lori Ochaltree
, Mr. Reid’s lawyer, who declined to say how much the settlement was.
A Google spokesman declined to comment on the case or the amount of the
settlement.
In an interview, Norman S. Matloff, a professor at the University of
California, Davis, who has studied hiring patterns in the technology sector,
said workers over 35 regularly face discrimination by technology companies.
Kris Stadelman, director of NOVA, the local work force investment board,
which released a survey of human resource directors at 251 Bay Area
technology companies last July, said that in her experience, candidates
began to be screened out once they reached 40.
“Especially in social media, cloud computing and mobile apps, if you’re
over 40 you’re perceived to be over the hill,” Ms. Stadelman said.
Getting hired is especially difficult for unemployed workers who have been
laid off after many years at a single company, Ms. Stadelman said, because
highly sought-after engineers often change firms regularly in an effort to
stay on the cutting edge.
The issue of discrimination against laid-off workers has caught the eye of
lawmakers. Earlier this month, Assemblyman Michael Allen, a Democrat from
Santa Rosa, introduced a bill that would make it illegal for an employer to
“intentionally refuse to offer employment to an individual because of the
individual’s status as unemployed.”
Ms. Stadelman said that her agency encouraged unemployed workers to
emphasize their achievements rather than their experience, not only in
interviews but also on their résumés and LinkedIn profiles.
“I had a LinkedIn profile before, but it did not include my branding” to
show strengths rather than just job experience, said Euclid Taylor, a
veteran account manager who was laid off last September when his company,
dpiX, a sensor array maker, shut down its offices in Palo Alto and moved to
Colorado Springs.
On his current LinkedIn profile, Mr. Taylor, who has gray hair around his
temples, plays down his decade of service to dpiX and advertises himself as
an “analytical thinker and creative problem solver who effectively
collaborates with multifunctional high-performance teams.”
Such retooling has brought success to many of Pro Match’s members, but few
of them have been hired by Silicon Valley’s more glamorous tech companies.
According to the organization’s records, 253 of its 583 participants found
jobs last year, but just four were hired by Google. Apple, whose
headquarters is just three miles away, hired one. Facebook, LinkedIn and
Twitter hired none.
Still, said Ms. Goler, the Facebook executive, older workers should not be
discouraged from applying. She said her company wants to hire people of all
ages and experience levels. “If you’ve built great things before,” she
said, “you can build great things again.”
发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On[zt]
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 27 14:17:00 2012, 美东)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/us/bay-area-technology-profes
Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On
By AARON GLANTZ
Published: January 28, 2012
Silicon Valley may be booming again, but times are still tough for the 200
out-of-work professionals who crowd into Sunnyvale’s City Hall every
Thursday morning.
A nonprofit, nonpartisan news organization providing local coverage of the
San Francisco Bay Area for The New York Times. To join the conversation
about this article, go to baycitizen.org.
Most of them hold advanced degrees in engineering and have more than a
decade of experience in the technology sector. They fill all of the seats in
the City Council chamber and spill out into the aisles.
They are members of Pro Match, a government-financed support group and “
interactive career resource center” for educated older workers who have
suddenly, and usually involuntarily, found themselves on the job market.
Most have been out of work for months.
The job market “is not the same as it was years ago,” said Massimo Sutera,
45, a microprocessor engineer who was laid off last year when his firm,
Zoran Corporation, a video chip maker, was acquired by the British firm C.S.
R., which promptly scaled back its Sunnyvale operations, discontinuing its
investment in digital television systems-on-a-chip. “It’s a mess.”
While Web-based companies like Facebook and Google are scouring the world
for new talent to hire, older technology workers often find that their
skills are no longer valued.
Part of the problem, analysts said, is that many of the companies shedding
jobs are technology manufacturers, while most of the companies that are
hiring are Internet-based.
While employment figures published by the state Employment Development
Department show that Silicon Valley’s technology sector has more than made
up for job losses that occurred early in the recession, the rebound has not
helped everyone.
Cisco Systems, a maker of computer networking equipment that is Santa Clara
County’s largest private employer, laid off 1,331 workers last year. The
semiconductor sector, which used to be the lifeblood of the South Bay’s
economy, has lost 4,600 jobs since 2008.
“These are people who know how to run a factory floor, but most of these
new companies don’t care about that,” said Connie Buck, a career counselor
who helps run Pro Match.
As a result, the South Bay’s unemployment rate, which stood at 8.9 percent
in December, remains higher than the national average.
“The pace of change is just breathtaking,” said Russell Hancock, president
and chief executive of Joint Venture Silicon Valley, a research group
backed by businesses and local governments. “We’ve entered a strange new
world. There are opportunities, but they are different. You have to be edgy
and supercreative.”
“You’re not going to get a job that’s going to be assembly and filing and
coding,” Mr. Hancock said, “and frankly, that can leave a lot of the
older set a little bewildered.”
Hiring managers at the Bay Area’s fastest-growing technology companies were
blunt. Seth Williams, a director of staffing at Google, said his firm was
looking for candidates who are “passionate” and “truly have a desire to
change the world.”
Brendan Browne, who heads hiring at the professional networking site
LinkedIn, said his firm wanted every new hire to be entrepreneurial. Mr.
Browne said that approximately 25 percent of LinkedIn’s new hires came from
the company’s recruitment efforts at colleges and universities.
Lori Goler, the head of human resources and recruiting efforts at Facebook,
said her company was looking for the “college student who built a company
on the side, or an iPhone app over the weekend.” The company also hires
more-experienced workers, if “they are results-focused and can deliver
again.”
Regardless of age, Ms. Goler said, “We ask: Are they going to get to do
what they love to do for fun at work?”
Some observers say much of this language is just code for age discrimination
. They point to the case of Brian Reid, a 52-year-old manager who was fired
by Google in 2004 — nine days before the company announced plans to go
public — after his supervisors, including the company’s vice president for
engineering operations, allegedly called him a poor “cultural fit,” an “
old guy” and a “fuddy-duddy” with ideas “too old to matter.”
Mr. Reid sued Google for age discrimination and said that his unvested stock
options would have been worth at least $45 million if he had stayed there.
Google denied the charges and asked that the suit be dismissed, calling such
remarks “stray comments.” But the California Supreme Court ruled that the
claims, if true, would constitute discrimination. The case was resolved out
of court “to the mutual satisfaction of all parties,” said Lori Ochaltree
, Mr. Reid’s lawyer, who declined to say how much the settlement was.
A Google spokesman declined to comment on the case or the amount of the
settlement.
In an interview, Norman S. Matloff, a professor at the University of
California, Davis, who has studied hiring patterns in the technology sector,
said workers over 35 regularly face discrimination by technology companies.
Kris Stadelman, director of NOVA, the local work force investment board,
which released a survey of human resource directors at 251 Bay Area
technology companies last July, said that in her experience, candidates
began to be screened out once they reached 40.
“Especially in social media, cloud computing and mobile apps, if you’re
over 40 you’re perceived to be over the hill,” Ms. Stadelman said.
Getting hired is especially difficult for unemployed workers who have been
laid off after many years at a single company, Ms. Stadelman said, because
highly sought-after engineers often change firms regularly in an effort to
stay on the cutting edge.
The issue of discrimination against laid-off workers has caught the eye of
lawmakers. Earlier this month, Assemblyman Michael Allen, a Democrat from
Santa Rosa, introduced a bill that would make it illegal for an employer to
“intentionally refuse to offer employment to an individual because of the
individual’s status as unemployed.”
Ms. Stadelman said that her agency encouraged unemployed workers to
emphasize their achievements rather than their experience, not only in
interviews but also on their résumés and LinkedIn profiles.
“I had a LinkedIn profile before, but it did not include my branding” to
show strengths rather than just job experience, said Euclid Taylor, a
veteran account manager who was laid off last September when his company,
dpiX, a sensor array maker, shut down its offices in Palo Alto and moved to
Colorado Springs.
On his current LinkedIn profile, Mr. Taylor, who has gray hair around his
temples, plays down his decade of service to dpiX and advertises himself as
an “analytical thinker and creative problem solver who effectively
collaborates with multifunctional high-performance teams.”
Such retooling has brought success to many of Pro Match’s members, but few
of them have been hired by Silicon Valley’s more glamorous tech companies.
According to the organization’s records, 253 of its 583 participants found
jobs last year, but just four were hired by Google. Apple, whose
headquarters is just three miles away, hired one. Facebook, LinkedIn and
Twitter hired none.
Still, said Ms. Goler, the Facebook executive, older workers should not be
discouraged from applying. She said her company wants to hire people of all
ages and experience levels. “If you’ve built great things before,” she
said, “you can build great things again.”
y*n
4 楼
Emma Stone
y*5
5 楼
活着要有活着的理由
工作要有工作的理由
反正活着不是为了工作
工作乃身外之物
每天重复一百遍
可还是各种关于工作的噩梦连连
哎
找个理由对自己好一点咋就那么难呢
。。。
工作要有工作的理由
反正活着不是为了工作
工作乃身外之物
每天重复一百遍
可还是各种关于工作的噩梦连连
哎
找个理由对自己好一点咋就那么难呢
。。。
m*t
6 楼
我喜歡Hawaii
甜甜咸咸很好吃～～
*^^*
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: too many
甜甜咸咸很好吃～～
*^^*
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: too many
D*a
7 楼
其实如果愿意，可以来东岸做IT。这边老人比较多，也比较容易接受老人。我们公司里
面当年lotus的骨灰级老人一把把的。
Moves On[zt]
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On[zt]
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 27 14:17:00 2012, 美东)
: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/us/bay-area-technology-profes
: Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On
: By AARON GLANTZ
: Published: January 28, 2012
: Silicon Valley may be booming again, but times are still tough for the 200
: out-of-work professionals who crowd into Sunnyvale’s City Hall every
面当年lotus的骨灰级老人一把把的。
Moves On[zt]
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On[zt]
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 27 14:17:00 2012, 美东)
: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/us/bay-area-technology-profes
: Old Techies Never Die; They Just Can’t Get Hired as an Industry Moves On
: By AARON GLANTZ
: Published: January 28, 2012
: Silicon Valley may be booming again, but times are still tough for the 200
: out-of-work professionals who crowd into Sunnyvale’s City Hall every
s*n
8 楼
此女不大会演戏。winter's bone这样的garbage也能提名？
l*r
9 楼
patpat
刚开始工作还是挺难的
不要当全部就好一点
刚开始工作还是挺难的
不要当全部就好一点
g*r
10 楼
讨论JUNK FOOD， //汗
digiorno 的怎么样？
【在 m**t 的大作中提到】
: 我喜歡Hawaii
: 甜甜咸咸很好吃～～
: *^^*
digiorno 的怎么样？
【在 m**t 的大作中提到】
: 我喜歡Hawaii
: 甜甜咸咸很好吃～～
: *^^*
j*y
11 楼
请问东岸是那几个州啊？有啥主要的IT公司？
【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果愿意，可以来东岸做IT。这边老人比较多，也比较容易接受老人。我们公司里
: 面当年lotus的骨灰级老人一把把的。
:
: Moves On[zt]
【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果愿意，可以来东岸做IT。这边老人比较多，也比较容易接受老人。我们公司里
: 面当年lotus的骨灰级老人一把把的。
:
: Moves On[zt]
l*e
12 楼
不过她今晚的dress很适合她，很养眼阿
D*6
13 楼
是不是社工工作见到太多不幸人的生活了？
pat pat。不要想太多。
【在 y******5 的大作中提到】
: 活着要有活着的理由
: 工作要有工作的理由
: 反正活着不是为了工作
: 工作乃身外之物
: 每天重复一百遍
: 可还是各种关于工作的噩梦连连
: 哎
: 找个理由对自己好一点咋就那么难呢
: 。。。
pat pat。不要想太多。
【在 y******5 的大作中提到】
: 活着要有活着的理由
: 工作要有工作的理由
: 反正活着不是为了工作
: 工作乃身外之物
: 每天重复一百遍
: 可还是各种关于工作的噩梦连连
: 哎
: 找个理由对自己好一点咋就那么难呢
: 。。。
d*g
14 楼
我觉得那个牌子pizza还不错
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 讨论JUNK FOOD， //汗
: digiorno 的怎么样？
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 讨论JUNK FOOD， //汗
: digiorno 的怎么样？
D*a
15 楼
东岸也有google, microsoft, amazon, facebook等等的office啊
ibm总部在ny州吧
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 请问东岸是那几个州啊？有啥主要的IT公司？
ibm总部在ny州吧
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 请问东岸是那几个州啊？有啥主要的IT公司？
y*5
16 楼
thank you 牛筋
en 不要当全部
【在 l*r 的大作中提到】
: patpat
: 刚开始工作还是挺难的
: 不要当全部就好一点
en 不要当全部
【在 l*r 的大作中提到】
: patpat
: 刚开始工作还是挺难的
: 不要当全部就好一点
g*g
17 楼
It's not about age, it's about knowledge. If one is in a large company
and knows nothing but what he's doing, he's certainly difficult to find
a new job after layoff.
【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果愿意，可以来东岸做IT。这边老人比较多，也比较容易接受老人。我们公司里
: 面当年lotus的骨灰级老人一把把的。
:
: Moves On[zt]
and knows nothing but what he's doing, he's certainly difficult to find
a new job after layoff.
【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果愿意，可以来东岸做IT。这边老人比较多，也比较容易接受老人。我们公司里
: 面当年lotus的骨灰级老人一把把的。
:
: Moves On[zt]
y*5
18 楼
nod.
sometimes forget what normal life looks like... sigh
i have started considering a simple job like being a waitress or cleaning
lady
【在 D******6 的大作中提到】
: 是不是社工工作见到太多不幸人的生活了？
: pat pat。不要想太多。
sometimes forget what normal life looks like... sigh
i have started considering a simple job like being a waitress or cleaning
lady
【在 D******6 的大作中提到】
: 是不是社工工作见到太多不幸人的生活了？
: pat pat。不要想太多。
D*a
19 楼
是这样的道理
搞it的就是要不断地学习新知识，让自己marketable
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: It's not about age, it's about knowledge. If one is in a large company
: and knows nothing but what he's doing, he's certainly difficult to find
: a new job after layoff.
搞it的就是要不断地学习新知识，让自己marketable
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: It's not about age, it's about knowledge. If one is in a large company
: and knows nothing but what he's doing, he's certainly difficult to find
: a new job after layoff.
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