I don't see anyone mentioning this here, there may be another factor, in some cases, a quite important factor, that may help you decide whether to put money in 401(k) or not and by how much, that is, the company match. For example, if your company matches your 401(k) contributions 1:1, up to 5% , then, I would think, you want to put at least 5% of your gross pay into the 401(k) to take the full advantage of that company match. So, say, if your annual gross pay is $100,000, then, that's $5,000 extra money for the 5 % match into your pocket, 401(k) pocket, that is. Also, contributing money and by how much, before tax, may also lower your actual tax bracket, so in fact, save you more in taxes (maybe state tax as well). To me, it seems to be a no brainer to put money into the 401(k) up to the IRS annual limit, as long as you have enough money left for your family's normal living and your company offers good and wide investment choices for 401(k). If you are not sure whether to contribute before tax money (regular 401(k)) or after tax money (Roth 401(k) - but not every company offers that, so you may not have a choice), then just put money in both, like 50-50? :-) Also, don't forget, for people over 50, there is an extra catch-up contribution limit for 401(k) and 403(b) - $6,000 for 2015.
Can not agree. If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice. If you can gain more from investment, I don't see any reason to put money in 401k.
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【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】 : I don't see anyone mentioning this here, there may be another factor, in : some cases, a quite important factor, that may help you decide whether to : put money in 401(k) or not and by how much, that is, the company match. : For example, if your company matches your 401(k) contributions 1:1, up to 5% : , then, I would think, you want to put at least 5% of your gross pay into : the 401(k) to take the full advantage of that company match. So, say, if : your annual gross pay is $100,000, then, that's $5,000 extra money for the 5 : % match into your pocket, 401(k) pocket, that is. : Also, contributing money and by how much, before tax, may also lower your : actual tax bracket, so in fact, save you more in taxes (maybe state tax as
"If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice." - This seems to be contradictory. And I'm not sure what you are trying to say? So can you not agree with what? In general, 401(k) plan does offer investments, it may not have every investment or every type of investment in the universe, but putting money into 401(k) does also require you to know how to invest. It's not like 401(k ) is a bank savings account or something, you put money in without choosing anything and then forget it. And 401(k) plan is not a pension plan. That's why I said, "as long as ... your company offers good and wide investment choices for 401(k). ..." Even if you can gain more from other investments that your 401(k) doesn't offer, there are still plenty of reasons to put money in 401(k).
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【在 w***i 的大作中提到】 : Can not agree. If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice. If : you can gain more from investment, I don't see any reason to put money in : 401k. : : 5% : 5
w*i
32 楼
Compare with other investment, choices, gain and risk of 401k are limited. You will not make a fortune, on the other hand you will not lose everything either. For people with limited knowledge, experience and time, it is not a bad choice.
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【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】 : "If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice." - This seems to : be contradictory. And I'm not sure what you are trying to say? So can you : not agree with what? : In general, 401(k) plan does offer investments, it may not have every : investment or every type of investment in the universe, but putting money : into 401(k) does also require you to know how to invest. It's not like 401(k : ) is a bank savings account or something, you put money in without choosing : anything and then forget it. And 401(k) plan is not a pension plan. : That's why I said, "as long as ... your company offers good and wide : investment choices for 401(k). ..."
It seems that you may not know fully what 401(k) plan is and what it can offer, or maybe your company's 401(k) is very limited, so you believe other 401(k) plans are very limited as well? Every 401(k) plan is not created equal. Many 401(k) plans offer full spectrum of investment choices, stocks, mutual funds, options, and etc. So, if those investment vehicles can make someone a fortune, then 401(k) can too. Again, 401(k) is not pension plan or defined benefit plan. So, yes, just like any other investments, you could lose everything if you don't invest wisely in 401(k) plan.
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【在 w***i 的大作中提到】 : Compare with other investment, choices, gain and risk of 401k are limited. : You will not make a fortune, on the other hand you will not lose everything : either. For people with limited knowledge, experience and time, it is not a : bad choice. : : to : (k : choosing
w*i
37 楼
I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage return you get from your 401k?
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【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】 : It seems that you may not know fully what 401(k) plan is and what it can : offer, or maybe your company's 401(k) is very limited, so you believe other : 401(k) plans are very limited as well? : Every 401(k) plan is not created equal. Many 401(k) plans offer full : spectrum of investment choices, stocks, mutual funds, options, and etc. So, : if those investment vehicles can make someone a fortune, then 401(k) can too. : Again, 401(k) is not pension plan or defined benefit plan. So, yes, just : like any other investments, you could lose everything if you don't invest : wisely in 401(k) plan. :
I*A
38 楼
as good as you invested in your stock. The return on the retirement, the tax is deferred.
percentage
【在 w***i 的大作中提到】 : I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example : which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage : return you get from your 401k? : : other : , : too.
I*A
39 楼
Again,just like other invest,the higher risk,the higher return.
percentage
【在 w***i 的大作中提到】 : I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example : which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage : return you get from your 401k? : : other : , : too.
w*i
40 楼
If tax rate is same, deferred does not save you anything.
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【在 I****A 的大作中提到】 : as good as you invested in your stock. The return on the retirement, the tax : is deferred. : : percentage
I*A
41 楼
Suppose you don't work after you reach 65, and no other income,it make huge difference. I assume you use SSN benefit first. I believe most of people will do. But if you are Bill Gates, indeed, no difference. For me, if I reach 65,i don't want to make money any more. I like to bring my debt to tomb with me, not equity.
【在 w***i 的大作中提到】 : If tax rate is same, deferred does not save you anything. : : tax
G*2
42 楼
But for what? What's your point? And, so, what are you trying to say or prove? From what I know, USC Section 401 (k) - that's where the 401(k) name came from, does not specifically exclude "options" as investment options/choices in a 401(k) plan, so? And if you look at USC Section 401 (k), there are some other things a qualified 401(k) can offer, which you may never heard of. Also, sharing what percentage of return I get from my 401(k) plan doesn't mean or prove anything, except my own investment choices / ability that I'm not here to show off in the first place?
percentage
【在 w***i 的大作中提到】 : I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example : which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage : return you get from your 401k? : : other : , : too.
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】 : But for what? What's your point? : And, so, what are you trying to say or prove? : From what I know, USC Section 401 (k) - that's where the 401(k) name came : from, does not specifically exclude "options" as investment options/choices : in a 401(k) plan, so? : And if you look at USC Section 401 (k), there are some other things a : qualified 401(k) can offer, which you may never heard of. : Also, sharing what percentage of return I get from my 401(k) plan doesn't : mean or prove anything, except my own investment choices / ability that I'm : not here to show off in the first place?
【在 I****A 的大作中提到】 : Suppose you don't work after you reach 65, and no other income,it make huge : difference. I assume you use SSN benefit first. I believe most of people : will do. But if you are Bill Gates, indeed, no difference. : For me, if I reach 65,i don't want to make money any more. I like to bring : my debt to tomb with me, not equity.
easiest way is to buy house. You can buy first luxury house, so pay the minimum. now, you owe bank 420,000 (the maxium of non jumbo loan), or 600, 000. now, you need to have investment property. Do small business loan, commercial loan, you just need 10% down. pay the minimum. the income go to your pocket. It is so easy to get million dollar debt. probably take you lots of time to have 10 million debt. after you pay off your mortgage, go bank to cash out. you can cash out 80%. you have debt again. so, you see, if you want to have debt, you always have way to do it. I believe you can bring your debt to tomb. hehe.
请问哪家贷款可以Do small business loan, commercial loan, you just need 10% down.
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【在 I****A 的大作中提到】 : easiest way is to buy house. You can buy first luxury house, so pay the : minimum. now, you owe bank 420,000 (the maxium of non jumbo loan), or 600, : 000. now, you need to have investment property. Do small business loan, : commercial loan, you just need 10% down. pay the minimum. the income go to : your pocket. It is so easy to get million dollar debt. probably take you : lots of time to have 10 million debt. : after you pay off your mortgage, go bank to cash out. you can cash out 80%. : you have debt again. so, you see, if you want to have debt, you always have : way to do it. I believe you can bring your debt to tomb. hehe.
【在 I****A 的大作中提到】 : Suppose you don't work after you reach 65, and no other income,it make huge : difference. I assume you use SSN benefit first. I believe most of people : will do. But if you are Bill Gates, indeed, no difference. : For me, if I reach 65,i don't want to make money any more. I like to bring : my debt to tomb with me, not equity.
G*2
52 楼
没那么简单, 那么容易吧? When you apply for a loan, one important factor any lender will exam / use to decide whether to approve your loan or not is the debt-to-income ratio. So, not anyone can get a million dollar loan / debt. By the same token, not anyone can buy a luxury house with a mortgage. And that debt-to-income ratio also largely affects your credit score. Otherwise, if your scheme would be successful, there wouldn't be any lenders left. Remember the 2007 / 2008 financial crisis? One big reason is that, at the time, many lenders relaxed that debt-to-income ratio rule, so more people could buy a house and more people could buy a much bigger house that they could not buy or afford before. (The lenders did that for some other reasons , but not for trying to help people to realize their American dreams.) Also, if you have kids and / or loved ones, after you go to your tomb, they might "inherit" your debt. - This is more complicated. Sorry to burst your bubble. :-)
have
【在 I****A 的大作中提到】 : easiest way is to buy house. You can buy first luxury house, so pay the : minimum. now, you owe bank 420,000 (the maxium of non jumbo loan), or 600, : 000. now, you need to have investment property. Do small business loan, : commercial loan, you just need 10% down. pay the minimum. the income go to : your pocket. It is so easy to get million dollar debt. probably take you : lots of time to have 10 million debt. : after you pay off your mortgage, go bank to cash out. you can cash out 80%. : you have debt again. so, you see, if you want to have debt, you always have : way to do it. I believe you can bring your debt to tomb. hehe.
s*1
53 楼
你欠的债起码子女不用还,另外一半接下来然后继续带到坟墓。。。
lenders
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】 : 没那么简单, 那么容易吧? : When you apply for a loan, one important factor any lender will exam / use : to decide whether to approve your loan or not is the debt-to-income ratio. : So, not anyone can get a million dollar loan / debt. : By the same token, not anyone can buy a luxury house with a mortgage. : And that debt-to-income ratio also largely affects your credit score. : Otherwise, if your scheme would be successful, there wouldn't be any lenders : left. : Remember the 2007 / 2008 financial crisis? One big reason is that, at the : time, many lenders relaxed that debt-to-income ratio rule, so more people
G*2
54 楼
Who said that? Or who told you that? If your estate planning lawyer simply told you that without any conditions and/or precautions, you should fire him/her immediately and run from him/her as quickly as possible. Again, this is a very complicated matter. That's why there are probate courts and estate planning lawyers. And each state is different. So, it's not 这二三句话可以概括或说明的.