a*7
2 楼
死在谣言手下的受害者古今中外都有。在此不一一列举。
哪怕是对于比尔·盖茨这样的绝世强人,谣言有时候也讨厌得很。关于他的著名谣言有
两个:
一、他捐款是为了避税
二、他捐款为第三世界提供疫苗是为了控制人口增长,所以疫苗是有问题的。至于是什
么问题猜测颇多,有说是疫苗里有慢性毒,会让被注射者多年后毒发身亡;有说是会导
致被注射者不育。反正在这个谣言里,比尔就是个杀人魔王。
第一个谣言很久以前我就听说过,最近又重新听人提起。对这个谣言我一直有个疑问:
比尔已经捐出数百亿美金,如果是为了避税,他避的税该比这个数目要大吧?这也太夸
张了,怪不得美国政府赤字高企。比尔还承诺过有生之年要捐出一半以上的财产(1)
--其实我有印象,听说他要捐的是全部,只留给儿女几百万,不过找不到出处,就当
不是吧--他要避的税率是多少?200%吗?
这个谣言看来颇为猖獗,比尔也受不了啦,只好在他的基金会网站上辟谣(2):
Q: Do Bill, Melinda, and Warren get tax breaks for their donations to the
foundation?
A. Many individuals enjoy tax benefits as a result of making charitable
contributions. The amount of tax savings received depends on both the size
of the charitable contributions and the person's annual income.
Bill, Melinda, and Warren have been exceptionally generous in making
contributions to the foundation, donating sums much larger than their annual
incomes. As a result, the tax savings they receive from these contributions
represent a very small percentage of the contributions.
From 1994 to 2006, Bill and Melinda gave the foundation more than $26
billion. Those donations resulted in a tax savings of less than 8.3 percent
of the contributions they made over that time.
In 2006, Warren made the first payment on his historic gift to the
foundation and claimed no tax benefit from this contribution.
你信不信?反正我是信了。
第二个谣言我是今天刚刚听说,不过放狗一搜,“bill gates vaccines depopulation
”出来133,000 条结果。其中头三条都是在Youtube上的一段录像,是他2010年在
一个叫做TED2010的论坛上讲话的一部分。其中的引起广泛关注、直接导致这个谣言兴
起的一句话是这么说的:“he world today has 6.8 billion
people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job
on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that
by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”
我先是花了点时间确定这话和录像的真实性;最后在TED的官网上找到了比尔发言的
完整录像:
http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html
在4:36处他确实说过这么一句话。在录像的下面有很多讨论,其中对这句话的疑问也有
好几个。有人提供了了这么一个回答:
It won't decrease the world's current population, rather, it will decrease
the future projected population. The stability in livelihood that comes with
increased health brought by successful vaccines and health care
statistically leads to lower birth rates. With a high mortality rate at
various stages in life, those living without assured health care often birth
more children in the hopes that at least a few will survive in the end.
When health care is introduced, mortality rates are lowered and birthing
rates follow suit. Or so I have been led to believe.
有道理吗?比较一下发达国家跟第三世界国家的人口增长,似乎挺有道理。实际上在同
一个国际论坛,几个月后Hans Rosling(3)就这个问题专门发言:
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_grow
还不够有说服力?或许你应该知道比尔的基金并不直接提供疫苗,而是通过第三方非营
利组织来进行,
GAVI Alliance $1.5 billion
PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative (MVI): $456 million
实际上他的基金主要是通过资助第三方非营利组织来花钱的:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Pages/foundation-fact-shee
比如说In 2009, the foundation paid approximately $3.0 billion in grants and
an additional $72 million in direct charitable contributions.
这应该大大提高了他实施阴谋(在疫苗中做手脚)的难度吧?比尔这么聪明的人,有必
要这么做吗?反正我看着不大象。而且身怀如此惊世大阴谋,不小心翼翼守口如瓶,却
在公众场合公然说出来,未免太过弱智了。这么弱智的人,长期是世界首富--你是想
让我们都羞愧至死吗?
好歹咱们也算受过教育的人,对某些惊人的、与常理不符的东西,多问问为什么多想想
“可能吗”,少捕风捉影、少人云亦云,或许不算太高的要求罢?
(1)http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/dec2010/ca20101214_945792.htm
(2)http://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Pages/frequently-asked-questions-foundation.aspx
(3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rosling
哪怕是对于比尔·盖茨这样的绝世强人,谣言有时候也讨厌得很。关于他的著名谣言有
两个:
一、他捐款是为了避税
二、他捐款为第三世界提供疫苗是为了控制人口增长,所以疫苗是有问题的。至于是什
么问题猜测颇多,有说是疫苗里有慢性毒,会让被注射者多年后毒发身亡;有说是会导
致被注射者不育。反正在这个谣言里,比尔就是个杀人魔王。
第一个谣言很久以前我就听说过,最近又重新听人提起。对这个谣言我一直有个疑问:
比尔已经捐出数百亿美金,如果是为了避税,他避的税该比这个数目要大吧?这也太夸
张了,怪不得美国政府赤字高企。比尔还承诺过有生之年要捐出一半以上的财产(1)
--其实我有印象,听说他要捐的是全部,只留给儿女几百万,不过找不到出处,就当
不是吧--他要避的税率是多少?200%吗?
这个谣言看来颇为猖獗,比尔也受不了啦,只好在他的基金会网站上辟谣(2):
Q: Do Bill, Melinda, and Warren get tax breaks for their donations to the
foundation?
A. Many individuals enjoy tax benefits as a result of making charitable
contributions. The amount of tax savings received depends on both the size
of the charitable contributions and the person's annual income.
Bill, Melinda, and Warren have been exceptionally generous in making
contributions to the foundation, donating sums much larger than their annual
incomes. As a result, the tax savings they receive from these contributions
represent a very small percentage of the contributions.
From 1994 to 2006, Bill and Melinda gave the foundation more than $26
billion. Those donations resulted in a tax savings of less than 8.3 percent
of the contributions they made over that time.
In 2006, Warren made the first payment on his historic gift to the
foundation and claimed no tax benefit from this contribution.
你信不信?反正我是信了。
第二个谣言我是今天刚刚听说,不过放狗一搜,“bill gates vaccines depopulation
”出来133,000 条结果。其中头三条都是在Youtube上的一段录像,是他2010年在
一个叫做TED2010的论坛上讲话的一部分。其中的引起广泛关注、直接导致这个谣言兴
起的一句话是这么说的:“he world today has 6.8 billion
people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job
on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that
by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”
我先是花了点时间确定这话和录像的真实性;最后在TED的官网上找到了比尔发言的
完整录像:
http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html
在4:36处他确实说过这么一句话。在录像的下面有很多讨论,其中对这句话的疑问也有
好几个。有人提供了了这么一个回答:
It won't decrease the world's current population, rather, it will decrease
the future projected population. The stability in livelihood that comes with
increased health brought by successful vaccines and health care
statistically leads to lower birth rates. With a high mortality rate at
various stages in life, those living without assured health care often birth
more children in the hopes that at least a few will survive in the end.
When health care is introduced, mortality rates are lowered and birthing
rates follow suit. Or so I have been led to believe.
有道理吗?比较一下发达国家跟第三世界国家的人口增长,似乎挺有道理。实际上在同
一个国际论坛,几个月后Hans Rosling(3)就这个问题专门发言:
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_grow
还不够有说服力?或许你应该知道比尔的基金并不直接提供疫苗,而是通过第三方非营
利组织来进行,
GAVI Alliance $1.5 billion
PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative (MVI): $456 million
实际上他的基金主要是通过资助第三方非营利组织来花钱的:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Pages/foundation-fact-shee
比如说In 2009, the foundation paid approximately $3.0 billion in grants and
an additional $72 million in direct charitable contributions.
这应该大大提高了他实施阴谋(在疫苗中做手脚)的难度吧?比尔这么聪明的人,有必
要这么做吗?反正我看着不大象。而且身怀如此惊世大阴谋,不小心翼翼守口如瓶,却
在公众场合公然说出来,未免太过弱智了。这么弱智的人,长期是世界首富--你是想
让我们都羞愧至死吗?
好歹咱们也算受过教育的人,对某些惊人的、与常理不符的东西,多问问为什么多想想
“可能吗”,少捕风捉影、少人云亦云,或许不算太高的要求罢?
(1)http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/dec2010/ca20101214_945792.htm
(2)http://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Pages/frequently-asked-questions-foundation.aspx
(3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rosling
u*r
3 楼
发信人: gege77(格格), 信区: Midlife
标题: 继父待我如亲生女儿 如今却怕他忘了我
发信站: BBS未名空间站(Wed Oct 25 14:44:40 2017,GMT)
我亲爸在我还不记事的时候就带着另外一个女人走了,妈妈丝毫没有隐瞒这件事情。后
来,在我大概上小学三年级的时候,妈妈带回来了一个男人,她还是没有隐瞒我,告诉
我,这个男人以后就是你爸爸,还逼我叫爸爸。当时我哭着跑开了,对那个男人厌恶到
极点。后来的日子里,这个男人极力讨好我,给我买我喜欢的衣服和玩具,给我做好吃
的,但我对她的态度依旧没有转变,有一次还离家出走了。对他态度转变是在我高中的
时候,高考结束,我和朋友去郊游,路上出了意外,当时我被送到医院已经神志不清了
,后来模糊中看到了妈妈哭,当我昏迷了三天,醒来了,看到了憔悴的妈妈,却没有看
到那个男人。我当时心想,或许他因为我醒不来,以后是累赘,偷偷跑了吧。后来才发
现,我错了。那个让我讨厌十几年的男人,在我昏迷都时候,白天黑天守着我,还为我
输血,后来终于熬不住了,昏过去了,正在输液呢。当时我才发现其实我内心早就不讨
厌这个男人了,因为我听到他昏迷,突然很担心他。从那后,我开始把他叫叔叔。
现在我大学毕业工作了,前几天接到妈妈的电话,说叔叔得了老年痴呆,让我回来看看
,我当时心里莫名很心酸,我急忙定了机票飞回去。
当我看到他坐在轮椅上,老远就傻傻的冲我笑,我情不自禁喊了一声爸爸,哭了。我后
来辞去了外地的工作,回到他们身边照顾他。有希望他能好起来,不要有一天不记得我
这个女儿了!
标题: 继父待我如亲生女儿 如今却怕他忘了我
发信站: BBS未名空间站(Wed Oct 25 14:44:40 2017,GMT)
我亲爸在我还不记事的时候就带着另外一个女人走了,妈妈丝毫没有隐瞒这件事情。后
来,在我大概上小学三年级的时候,妈妈带回来了一个男人,她还是没有隐瞒我,告诉
我,这个男人以后就是你爸爸,还逼我叫爸爸。当时我哭着跑开了,对那个男人厌恶到
极点。后来的日子里,这个男人极力讨好我,给我买我喜欢的衣服和玩具,给我做好吃
的,但我对她的态度依旧没有转变,有一次还离家出走了。对他态度转变是在我高中的
时候,高考结束,我和朋友去郊游,路上出了意外,当时我被送到医院已经神志不清了
,后来模糊中看到了妈妈哭,当我昏迷了三天,醒来了,看到了憔悴的妈妈,却没有看
到那个男人。我当时心想,或许他因为我醒不来,以后是累赘,偷偷跑了吧。后来才发
现,我错了。那个让我讨厌十几年的男人,在我昏迷都时候,白天黑天守着我,还为我
输血,后来终于熬不住了,昏过去了,正在输液呢。当时我才发现其实我内心早就不讨
厌这个男人了,因为我听到他昏迷,突然很担心他。从那后,我开始把他叫叔叔。
现在我大学毕业工作了,前几天接到妈妈的电话,说叔叔得了老年痴呆,让我回来看看
,我当时心里莫名很心酸,我急忙定了机票飞回去。
当我看到他坐在轮椅上,老远就傻傻的冲我笑,我情不自禁喊了一声爸爸,哭了。我后
来辞去了外地的工作,回到他们身边照顾他。有希望他能好起来,不要有一天不记得我
这个女儿了!
s*y
4 楼
亏你还真认真,稍微动动脑子这些答案也就有了啊,呵呵,特别是第二点,实在是无话
可说
有些时候还真是得走自己的路让别人说去吧
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: 死在谣言手下的受害者古今中外都有。在此不一一列举。
: 哪怕是对于比尔·盖茨这样的绝世强人,谣言有时候也讨厌得很。关于他的著名谣言有
: 两个:
: 一、他捐款是为了避税
: 二、他捐款为第三世界提供疫苗是为了控制人口增长,所以疫苗是有问题的。至于是什
: 么问题猜测颇多,有说是疫苗里有慢性毒,会让被注射者多年后毒发身亡;有说是会导
: 致被注射者不育。反正在这个谣言里,比尔就是个杀人魔王。
: 第一个谣言很久以前我就听说过,最近又重新听人提起。对这个谣言我一直有个疑问:
: 比尔已经捐出数百亿美金,如果是为了避税,他避的税该比这个数目要大吧?这也太夸
: 张了,怪不得美国政府赤字高企。比尔还承诺过有生之年要捐出一半以上的财产(1)
可说
有些时候还真是得走自己的路让别人说去吧
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: 死在谣言手下的受害者古今中外都有。在此不一一列举。
: 哪怕是对于比尔·盖茨这样的绝世强人,谣言有时候也讨厌得很。关于他的著名谣言有
: 两个:
: 一、他捐款是为了避税
: 二、他捐款为第三世界提供疫苗是为了控制人口增长,所以疫苗是有问题的。至于是什
: 么问题猜测颇多,有说是疫苗里有慢性毒,会让被注射者多年后毒发身亡;有说是会导
: 致被注射者不育。反正在这个谣言里,比尔就是个杀人魔王。
: 第一个谣言很久以前我就听说过,最近又重新听人提起。对这个谣言我一直有个疑问:
: 比尔已经捐出数百亿美金,如果是为了避税,他避的税该比这个数目要大吧?这也太夸
: 张了,怪不得美国政府赤字高企。比尔还承诺过有生之年要捐出一半以上的财产(1)
T*d
6 楼
人是王八蛋。BILL GATES肯定明白。如果他捐钱是为了买名声,这买卖可太赔了。旁人
不用费劲替他辩解。
不用费劲替他辩解。
o*o
142 楼
谣言,在美国,是一种侵权罪。所以,美国人说话都是比较谨慎的。
中国人,用谣言当“杀人”工具是从古到今的习惯了。人们不是见而拨之,是害怕之。
因为公义,找不到出口和伸张的平台。
中国人,用谣言当“杀人”工具是从古到今的习惯了。人们不是见而拨之,是害怕之。
因为公义,找不到出口和伸张的平台。
p*r
144 楼
It's so difficult to be logical these days. Can you really explain how the
new "good" vaccine can reduce the population by 10% to 15%? This is simply
beyond everybody's common sense.
You mean the new vaccine would promote the people's health. Therefore, it
would reduce the new born rate? Give me a break. With a good health, normal
humanbeing would just produce more babies. That's indeed the case of China
after the invention of small pox vaccine, which is also true for the rest of
the world.
Also, can you explain how a "good" health care can reduce the human
population? The common sense is that with a good health care, human would
live longer and increase the population.
There are at least three types of people in the world, "rich and/or powful
people", who do whatever they want for the "good" of humanbeing.
"not so rich and or powerful people", who can always justify what the rich
and or powerful people have done.
The rest, with a simple logical mind, skeptical with what the first two
groups are doing.
Also, it appears to me that CCP also likes to complain how some certain
group of people like to spread rumors to hurt their credibility. Well, they
also like to do population controls in a quite rough way. So indeed, there
are many similarities.
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: 死在谣言手下的受害者古今中外都有。在此不一一列举。
: 哪怕是对于比尔·盖茨这样的绝世强人,谣言有时候也讨厌得很。关于他的著名谣言有
: 两个:
: 一、他捐款是为了避税
: 二、他捐款为第三世界提供疫苗是为了控制人口增长,所以疫苗是有问题的。至于是什
: 么问题猜测颇多,有说是疫苗里有慢性毒,会让被注射者多年后毒发身亡;有说是会导
: 致被注射者不育。反正在这个谣言里,比尔就是个杀人魔王。
: 第一个谣言很久以前我就听说过,最近又重新听人提起。对这个谣言我一直有个疑问:
: 比尔已经捐出数百亿美金,如果是为了避税,他避的税该比这个数目要大吧?这也太夸
: 张了,怪不得美国政府赤字高企。比尔还承诺过有生之年要捐出一半以上的财产(1)
new "good" vaccine can reduce the population by 10% to 15%? This is simply
beyond everybody's common sense.
You mean the new vaccine would promote the people's health. Therefore, it
would reduce the new born rate? Give me a break. With a good health, normal
humanbeing would just produce more babies. That's indeed the case of China
after the invention of small pox vaccine, which is also true for the rest of
the world.
Also, can you explain how a "good" health care can reduce the human
population? The common sense is that with a good health care, human would
live longer and increase the population.
There are at least three types of people in the world, "rich and/or powful
people", who do whatever they want for the "good" of humanbeing.
"not so rich and or powerful people", who can always justify what the rich
and or powerful people have done.
The rest, with a simple logical mind, skeptical with what the first two
groups are doing.
Also, it appears to me that CCP also likes to complain how some certain
group of people like to spread rumors to hurt their credibility. Well, they
also like to do population controls in a quite rough way. So indeed, there
are many similarities.
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: 死在谣言手下的受害者古今中外都有。在此不一一列举。
: 哪怕是对于比尔·盖茨这样的绝世强人,谣言有时候也讨厌得很。关于他的著名谣言有
: 两个:
: 一、他捐款是为了避税
: 二、他捐款为第三世界提供疫苗是为了控制人口增长,所以疫苗是有问题的。至于是什
: 么问题猜测颇多,有说是疫苗里有慢性毒,会让被注射者多年后毒发身亡;有说是会导
: 致被注射者不育。反正在这个谣言里,比尔就是个杀人魔王。
: 第一个谣言很久以前我就听说过,最近又重新听人提起。对这个谣言我一直有个疑问:
: 比尔已经捐出数百亿美金,如果是为了避税,他避的税该比这个数目要大吧?这也太夸
: 张了,怪不得美国政府赤字高企。比尔还承诺过有生之年要捐出一半以上的财产(1)
a*7
145 楼
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_grow
The world's population will grow to 9 billion over the next 50 years -- and
only by raising the living standards of the poorest can we check population
growth. This is the paradoxical answer that Hans Rosling unveils at [email protected]
Cannes using colorful new data display technology (you'll see).
其实这个理论正确与否对我想说明的观点无关重要:我想说明的是,这个理论比那个阴
谋论更好更合理地解释了比尔所说的那句话。因而我相信这才是比尔说那句话的真正原
因;我相信疫苗有毒是谣言。
This is what I call logical and skeptical.
别的就不多说了。老话说得好,太认真我就输了。
normal
of
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: It's so difficult to be logical these days. Can you really explain how the
: new "good" vaccine can reduce the population by 10% to 15%? This is simply
: beyond everybody's common sense.
: You mean the new vaccine would promote the people's health. Therefore, it
: would reduce the new born rate? Give me a break. With a good health, normal
: humanbeing would just produce more babies. That's indeed the case of China
: after the invention of small pox vaccine, which is also true for the rest of
: the world.
: Also, can you explain how a "good" health care can reduce the human
: population? The common sense is that with a good health care, human would
The world's population will grow to 9 billion over the next 50 years -- and
only by raising the living standards of the poorest can we check population
growth. This is the paradoxical answer that Hans Rosling unveils at [email protected]
Cannes using colorful new data display technology (you'll see).
其实这个理论正确与否对我想说明的观点无关重要:我想说明的是,这个理论比那个阴
谋论更好更合理地解释了比尔所说的那句话。因而我相信这才是比尔说那句话的真正原
因;我相信疫苗有毒是谣言。
This is what I call logical and skeptical.
别的就不多说了。老话说得好,太认真我就输了。
normal
of
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: It's so difficult to be logical these days. Can you really explain how the
: new "good" vaccine can reduce the population by 10% to 15%? This is simply
: beyond everybody's common sense.
: You mean the new vaccine would promote the people's health. Therefore, it
: would reduce the new born rate? Give me a break. With a good health, normal
: humanbeing would just produce more babies. That's indeed the case of China
: after the invention of small pox vaccine, which is also true for the rest of
: the world.
: Also, can you explain how a "good" health care can reduce the human
: population? The common sense is that with a good health care, human would
p*r
171 楼
These are different things. A improvement of living standard for the poorest may
somehow lower the birth rate for them. However, this is generally due to
the fact of farming to industrial transition, the improvement of female
education and female workforce and family plannings. None of these are
solved by merely by vaccine IMO. In that sense, China is really helping to
build hospitals, elementary schools and other infrastructures in Africa,
which may indeed improve the living standard and lower the birth rate.
Also, this is usually a slow process which need the poor population to voluntarily lower their birth rates. So a 10 to 15% decrease in world population is certainly very unlikely by the conventional meaning.
and
population
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_grow
: The world's population will grow to 9 billion over the next 50 years -- and
: only by raising the living standards of the poorest can we check population
: growth. This is the paradoxical answer that Hans Rosling unveils at [email protected]
: Cannes using colorful new data display technology (you'll see).
: 其实这个理论正确与否对我想说明的观点无关重要:我想说明的是,这个理论比那个阴
: 谋论更好更合理地解释了比尔所说的那句话。因而我相信这才是比尔说那句话的真正原
: 因;我相信疫苗有毒是谣言。
: This is what I call logical and skeptical.
: 别的就不多说了。老话说得好,太认真我就输了。
somehow lower the birth rate for them. However, this is generally due to
the fact of farming to industrial transition, the improvement of female
education and female workforce and family plannings. None of these are
solved by merely by vaccine IMO. In that sense, China is really helping to
build hospitals, elementary schools and other infrastructures in Africa,
which may indeed improve the living standard and lower the birth rate.
Also, this is usually a slow process which need the poor population to voluntarily lower their birth rates. So a 10 to 15% decrease in world population is certainly very unlikely by the conventional meaning.
and
population
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_grow
: The world's population will grow to 9 billion over the next 50 years -- and
: only by raising the living standards of the poorest can we check population
: growth. This is the paradoxical answer that Hans Rosling unveils at [email protected]
: Cannes using colorful new data display technology (you'll see).
: 其实这个理论正确与否对我想说明的观点无关重要:我想说明的是,这个理论比那个阴
: 谋论更好更合理地解释了比尔所说的那句话。因而我相信这才是比尔说那句话的真正原
: 因;我相信疫苗有毒是谣言。
: This is what I call logical and skeptical.
: 别的就不多说了。老话说得好,太认真我就输了。
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