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发信人: Beida101 (北大学子), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 不得了，美国奥物队60%华裔孩子，教授不愿意教了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jun 15 00:34:00 2012, 美东)
First, the selection criteria for Science Olympiad and college admission are
different. The former is one test (or three total tests) determines all
while the latter might consider MANY factors other than test scores.
Second, the purposes of the two events are different. Science Olympiad is
almost a pure competition to find the BEST while college is for education
for the next generation.
以上两条和你支持AA毫无关系。即使有关系，为什么“for education for the next
generation”必须和Olympiad用不一样的标准？
Third, if you think that a top university full of Asian is the solution to
social problems, maybe you should study the relationship between Chinese
universities and the Chinese society, or the relationship between Asian
universities and Asia.
不过是大学的入学标准而已，和solution to social problem风马牛不相及。与社会问
题的庞大相比，大学的入学标准实在是小的不能再小的小事。改变大学的入学标准能解
决社会问题的想法和进了北大就认为自己是社会良心民族脊梁一个可笑。再说了，top
university full of Asian不能解决社会问题，难道AA就能解决社会问题？
Fourth, the alleged discrimination regarding college admission at Ivy
schools is just an allegation. Particularly for Harvard, which has no set
rules for admission benchmarks, it is extremely unlikely that any lawsuit or
even rulings would change the incoming freshman class dramatically.
Harvard是私立的，有点常识好不好？
Fifth, assuming, arguendo, that Harvard was discriminating against Asian
applicants. It would be very likely that Harvard would continue its
discrimination against those luckily admitted Asian students in Harvard.
Everything is related, right? Then how come there is no complaint against
Harvard from its Asian student bodies or its Asian alumni?
典型的拍脑袋，你有什么理由说Harvard would continue its discrimination 那些已
经入学的？Harvard为什么要歧视那些已经入学的？这些人将来都是Harvard的财源。
Harvard发疯了和钱过不去？要我是Harvard，还真的就要歧视那些申请的中国人，厚待
那些入学的中国人。中国人的民族性就这么贱。太多自己过了关就暗自兴庆感恩戴德把
其他人置于脑后甚至踩上两脚的。
Finally, standard test scores can be improved by training or mock tests
within a short time. Experience with different cultures may take years or
decades to develop. What if the society needs SOMEONE who can deal with
sensitive culture issues after completing the college education? What if the
army needs someone can use slangs to motivate its foot soldiers? What if a
law firm needs a Spanish speaking attorney to handle a racial discrimination
case? Are you up to the challenge?
这一段最可笑。culture issue， slangs，spanish和肤色种族有什么关系？如果真需
要会spanish，会slang的人，那就开宗明义告诉大家，会说slang的，会讲spanish的，
优先录取，大家去学slang，去学spanish就好了。难道只有latino会说spanish？只有
black会说slang？其他种族的都学不会？推广之，under privilege的学生要照顾，那
就明明白白地说家庭收入低于X刀的优先录取，没问题，父母可以辞了工去flip burger
，去领救济。
所谓歧视，就是以人力所不能改变的trait来划线，比如种族，肤色。你要是以家庭收
入，会不会spanish，会不会slang来划线，一点问题也没有。
最后不得不说你就是一个一瓶子不满半瓶子晃，以为自己是根葱，其实即没有头脑，也
没有良心。
标 题: Re: 不得了，美国奥物队60%华裔孩子，教授不愿意教了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jun 15 00:34:00 2012, 美东)
First, the selection criteria for Science Olympiad and college admission are
different. The former is one test (or three total tests) determines all
while the latter might consider MANY factors other than test scores.
Second, the purposes of the two events are different. Science Olympiad is
almost a pure competition to find the BEST while college is for education
for the next generation.
以上两条和你支持AA毫无关系。即使有关系，为什么“for education for the next
generation”必须和Olympiad用不一样的标准？
Third, if you think that a top university full of Asian is the solution to
social problems, maybe you should study the relationship between Chinese
universities and the Chinese society, or the relationship between Asian
universities and Asia.
不过是大学的入学标准而已，和solution to social problem风马牛不相及。与社会问
题的庞大相比，大学的入学标准实在是小的不能再小的小事。改变大学的入学标准能解
决社会问题的想法和进了北大就认为自己是社会良心民族脊梁一个可笑。再说了，top
university full of Asian不能解决社会问题，难道AA就能解决社会问题？
Fourth, the alleged discrimination regarding college admission at Ivy
schools is just an allegation. Particularly for Harvard, which has no set
rules for admission benchmarks, it is extremely unlikely that any lawsuit or
even rulings would change the incoming freshman class dramatically.
Harvard是私立的，有点常识好不好？
Fifth, assuming, arguendo, that Harvard was discriminating against Asian
applicants. It would be very likely that Harvard would continue its
discrimination against those luckily admitted Asian students in Harvard.
Everything is related, right? Then how come there is no complaint against
Harvard from its Asian student bodies or its Asian alumni?
典型的拍脑袋，你有什么理由说Harvard would continue its discrimination 那些已
经入学的？Harvard为什么要歧视那些已经入学的？这些人将来都是Harvard的财源。
Harvard发疯了和钱过不去？要我是Harvard，还真的就要歧视那些申请的中国人，厚待
那些入学的中国人。中国人的民族性就这么贱。太多自己过了关就暗自兴庆感恩戴德把
其他人置于脑后甚至踩上两脚的。
Finally, standard test scores can be improved by training or mock tests
within a short time. Experience with different cultures may take years or
decades to develop. What if the society needs SOMEONE who can deal with
sensitive culture issues after completing the college education? What if the
army needs someone can use slangs to motivate its foot soldiers? What if a
law firm needs a Spanish speaking attorney to handle a racial discrimination
case? Are you up to the challenge?
这一段最可笑。culture issue， slangs，spanish和肤色种族有什么关系？如果真需
要会spanish，会slang的人，那就开宗明义告诉大家，会说slang的，会讲spanish的，
优先录取，大家去学slang，去学spanish就好了。难道只有latino会说spanish？只有
black会说slang？其他种族的都学不会？推广之，under privilege的学生要照顾，那
就明明白白地说家庭收入低于X刀的优先录取，没问题，父母可以辞了工去flip burger
，去领救济。
所谓歧视，就是以人力所不能改变的trait来划线，比如种族，肤色。你要是以家庭收
入，会不会spanish，会不会slang来划线，一点问题也没有。
最后不得不说你就是一个一瓶子不满半瓶子晃，以为自己是根葱，其实即没有头脑，也
没有良心。