C++ Profiler - 未名空间MITBBS历史存档

z*a2012-09-07 07:09

1 楼

squire stratocaster standard special edition (Made in China)
准备买一个电琴学习一下，完全没有头绪，让一个老美朋友参考了一下，去了atomic
转了一下，有把二手的，弹了一下，他觉得这个琴还不错。
想听听这里的大牛们的意见。如果有其他推荐，我也很想听一下。

a*i2012-09-07 07:09

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http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/11/23/microsoft-will-pay-content-providers-to-shun-google-get-in-bed/
Microsoft Pay News Corp To "De-List" Itself From Google
In a marketing ploy so draconian and heavy-handed as to be reminiscent of
the original XBox launch, Microsoft is now offering to pay-off publishers if
they delist their content from Google's indexes.
Sounds crazy, but it's true. Microsoft have approached News Corp and offered
to pay them to de-list from Google's search indexes. So you hav

h*f2012-09-07 07:09

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用过gprof的，看了oprofiler，都不provide the time my function loses due to
cache miss for data or code block.
pref top有cache miss的数据。可是好像没有detail到the time each function loses
due to cache miss for data or code block.
有C++ profiler provides cache miss data in such detail?

a*l2012-09-07 07:09

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这个琴不怎么样。
弹一段时间琴颈就会弯的。
300块左右的二手还是有些能弹的琴的。太便宜的，质量很难保证了。

【在 z*******a 的大作中提到】

: squire stratocaster standard special edition (Made in China)
: 准备买一个电琴学习一下，完全没有头绪，让一个老美朋友参考了一下，去了atomic
: 转了一下，有把二手的，弹了一下，他觉得这个琴还不错。
: 想听听这里的大牛们的意见。如果有其他推荐，我也很想听一下。

n*i2012-09-07 07:09

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很感兴趣默多克会要多少，他现在有18%的traffic从google来。

get-in-bed/
if
offered
idea

【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】

: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/11/23/microsoft-will-pay-content-providers-to-shun-google-get-in-bed/
: Microsoft Pay News Corp To "De-List" Itself From Google
: In a marketing ploy so draconian and heavy-handed as to be reminiscent of
: the original XBox launch, Microsoft is now offering to pay-off publishers if
: they delist their content from Google's indexes.
: Sounds crazy, but it's true. Microsoft have approached News Corp and offered
: to pay them to de-list from Google's search indexes. So you hav

G*72012-09-07 07:09

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intel parallel studio has some profiling tools. i remember seeing "cache
miss" in their reports. they are free for non-commercial dev under linux,
which i guess you are in 'cuz you mentioned gprof.

loses

【在 h*****f 的大作中提到】

: 用过gprof的，看了oprofiler，都不provide the time my function loses due to
: cache miss for data or code block.
: pref top有cache miss的数据。可是好像没有detail到the time each function loses
: due to cache miss for data or code block.
: 有C++ profiler provides cache miss data in such detail?

z*a2012-09-07 07:09

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逆火大牛要求和我不是一个层次…………

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

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This is like on a poker table, you bully others only
when you are the big stack. What Murdoch doesn't
understand (or won't accept) is, his paper-based
media is on the losing side already.

【在 n****i 的大作中提到】

: 很感兴趣默多克会要多少，他现在有18%的traffic从google来。
:
: get-in-bed/
: if
: offered
: idea

n*i2012-09-07 07:09

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you mean, he is bluffing?

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: This is like on a poker table, you bully others only
: when you are the big stack. What Murdoch doesn't
: understand (or won't accept) is, his paper-based
: media is on the losing side already.

a*i2012-09-07 07:09

10 楼

You don't bluff when you are the short stack. It is only going to be a quick
exit for you if you do.

【在 n****i 的大作中提到】

: you mean, he is bluffing?

N*D2012-09-07 07:09

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为啥那么多人用google?
因为google可以返回有用的content, 如果在GOOGLE上找不到最新的新闻，很多人就不
用它了
google 现在就是靠自己的垄断地位抢劫content provider
If ms can improve the revenue per impression for news corp's site by more
than 18%, I think it is fine.
Plus, it is a strategic approach. News paper industry has to find a way to
survive in the internet era.

【在 n****i 的大作中提到】

: 很感兴趣默多克会要多少，他现在有18%的traffic从google来。
:
: get-in-bed/
: if
: offered
: idea

N*D2012-09-07 07:09

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whether paper-based or screen-based, it is the content that matters.

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: This is like on a poker table, you bully others only
: when you are the big stack. What Murdoch doesn't
: understand (or won't accept) is, his paper-based
: media is on the losing side already.

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

13 楼

That's true - to a limit.
First of all, the content matters only when it can
reach the audience. If your audience is already
dwindling because people keep moving to alternate
free online sources, cutting yourself off
from the most popular news aggregator sure isn't
going to help.
Secondly, if everybody is publishing the same
news as quickly, does it really matter if I
read it from Murdoch's web sites or somewhere
else?

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】

: whether paper-based or screen-based, it is the content that matters.

d*u2012-09-07 07:09

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把别人的东西免费拿来自己赚钱，还给自己贴个标签：自由。诸位还有没有道德底线？
还aggregator?玩这种文字游戏有意思吗？就跟国内搞盗版一样，把自己打扮得还跟受
害者似得，全然不管自己的名声都臭得跟大粪似的了。
免费的日子大家恐怕过惯了。好吃懒做的诸位只想白拿，从来没想过贡献。这下人家不
想白给了，瞧把你们急的。
"if everybody is publishing the same news as quickly"
这种假设有意思吗？全是废话。

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: That's true - to a limit.
: First of all, the content matters only when it can
: reach the audience. If your audience is already
: dwindling because people keep moving to alternate
: free online sources, cutting yourself off
: from the most popular news aggregator sure isn't
: going to help.
: Secondly, if everybody is publishing the same
: news as quickly, does it really matter if I

d*t2012-09-07 07:09

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Are you damning the whole search engine business model?

【在 d********u 的大作中提到】

: 把别人的东西免费拿来自己赚钱，还给自己贴个标签：自由。诸位还有没有道德底线？
: 还aggregator?玩这种文字游戏有意思吗？就跟国内搞盗版一样，把自己打扮得还跟受
: 害者似得，全然不管自己的名声都臭得跟大粪似的了。
: 免费的日子大家恐怕过惯了。好吃懒做的诸位只想白拿，从来没想过贡献。这下人家不
: 想白给了，瞧把你们急的。
: "if everybody is publishing the same news as quickly"
: 这种假设有意思吗？全是废话。

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

16 楼

显然如果goog的模式就是搜索引擎的唯一和全部模式的话，现在已经有人在damning了

【在 d********t 的大作中提到】

: Are you damning the whole search engine business model?

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

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I just went to google news. For every news entry it shows:
1. A "primary" link to the _original_ site the summary below was
extracted from.
2. A one-sentence summary of the news.
3. A couple of links to the same news on other _original_ sites.
4. A link to a google page showing related search results on
the same news, where every entry is shown in a similar theme
as described here.
Now please show me how to read about the actual news
without going to any of the original sites. If you can't,
fee

【在 d********u 的大作中提到】

: 把别人的东西免费拿来自己赚钱，还给自己贴个标签：自由。诸位还有没有道德底线？
: 还aggregator?玩这种文字游戏有意思吗？就跟国内搞盗版一样，把自己打扮得还跟受
: 害者似得，全然不管自己的名声都臭得跟大粪似的了。
: 免费的日子大家恐怕过惯了。好吃懒做的诸位只想白拿，从来没想过贡献。这下人家不
: 想白给了，瞧把你们急的。
: "if everybody is publishing the same news as quickly"
: 这种假设有意思吗？全是废话。

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

18 楼

有意思的是，以前google是从yahoo那里拿钱来提供搜索服务，现在M$是付钱给yahoo来
提供搜索服务？你说说看到底这个商业模式应该是怎样的？在商言商，不要像个小孩子一样让别人
不要“欺负”/作恶它。
youtube在很多政治事件中的不中立态度，西藏、美国大选，就已经说明goog不适合做
信息“aggregator”，因为它有自己的善恶标准。linux世界的自由，不应该是这样的，有
着强烈自我“正义感”的商人。

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: I just went to google news. For every news entry it shows:
: 1. A "primary" link to the _original_ site the summary below was
: extracted from.
: 2. A one-sentence summary of the news.
: 3. A couple of links to the same news on other _original_ sites.
: 4. A link to a google page showing related search results on
: the same news, where every entry is shown in a similar theme
: as described here.
: Now please show me how to read about the actual news

d*u2012-09-07 07:09

19 楼

这就跟国内盗版网站上写上“本片只供学习用。请下载24后自己删除”一样。你真的以
为这种狗屁免责声明有意义吗？
再说个极端的例子：我自己建一个搜索。我做的就是用G搜然后再自己的网站上列出来
。我也加一句：来自G。你觉得我会什么下场？
人家没跟你要钱，不意味着永远不会要钱，更不意味着就应该白给你。白食吃多了你以
为就应该这样？
G的finance为什么做来做去P也没做出来？就是因为它剪刀糨糊地东拼西凑，根本没有
自己的东西，出来的垃圾驴唇不对马嘴，还TMD跟YAHOO和MSN争，也不撒泡尿照照自己
。这个东西没有免费的了，它也就傻眼了。
没有哪种商业模式是千秋万代的。一个屁嚼嚼就算了，你指望嚼一辈子这个屁都不烂吗
？不进则退。YAHOO就是个例子，MS在SEARCH上也是个教训。G不前进，早晚死得难看。

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: I just went to google news. For every news entry it shows:
: 1. A "primary" link to the _original_ site the summary below was
: extracted from.
: 2. A one-sentence summary of the news.
: 3. A couple of links to the same news on other _original_ sites.
: 4. A link to a google page showing related search results on
: the same news, where every entry is shown in a similar theme
: as described here.
: Now please show me how to read about the actual news

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

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What 免责声明? Did anywhere in my post mention that there was
a 免责声明?
Let's try again - this time in one very simple sentence:
"You still have to click into the _original_ site to read the actual news."
What part of that was so hard to understand?

【在 d********u 的大作中提到】

: 这就跟国内盗版网站上写上“本片只供学习用。请下载24后自己删除”一样。你真的以
: 为这种狗屁免责声明有意义吗？
: 再说个极端的例子：我自己建一个搜索。我做的就是用G搜然后再自己的网站上列出来
: 。我也加一句：来自G。你觉得我会什么下场？
: 人家没跟你要钱，不意味着永远不会要钱，更不意味着就应该白给你。白食吃多了你以
: 为就应该这样？
: G的finance为什么做来做去P也没做出来？就是因为它剪刀糨糊地东拼西凑，根本没有
: 自己的东西，出来的垃圾驴唇不对马嘴，还TMD跟YAHOO和MSN争，也不撒泡尿照照自己
: 。这个东西没有免费的了，它也就傻眼了。
: 没有哪种商业模式是千秋万代的。一个屁嚼嚼就算了，你指望嚼一辈子这个屁都不烂吗

N*D2012-09-07 07:09

21 楼

come on
it is business, one sells and one buys
everyone can set its own price, ask its own price
if no aggreement, no deal.

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: What 免责声明? Did anywhere in my post mention that there was
: a 免责声明?
: Let's try again - this time in one very simple sentence:
: "You still have to click into the _original_ site to read the actual news."
: What part of that was so hard to understand?

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

22 楼

子一样让别人
Bullying _is_ part of the business. When I said Murdoch was trying to bully,
that was _not_ a moral judgement. I was merely pointing out that the
technique
wouldn't work, given the general losing trend for the paper media.
的，有
Freedom of choice != neutrality nor fairness. You don't like how $company
runs its web site or business? Feel free to use another one.

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 有意思的是，以前google是从yahoo那里拿钱来提供搜索服务，现在M$是付钱给yahoo来
: 提供搜索服务？你说说看到底这个商业模式应该是怎样的？在商言商，不要像个小孩子一样让别人
: 不要“欺负”/作恶它。
: youtube在很多政治事件中的不中立态度，西藏、美国大选，就已经说明goog不适合做
: 信息“aggregator”，因为它有自己的善恶标准。linux世界的自由，不应该是这样的，有
: 着强烈自我“正义感”的商人。

l*s2012-09-07 07:09

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Agree; some people are still in the mindset of culture revolution, judging
everything by their peronal moral or political standing, boring :-(

bully,

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: 子一样让别人
: Bullying _is_ part of the business. When I said Murdoch was trying to bully,
: that was _not_ a moral judgement. I was merely pointing out that the
: technique
: wouldn't work, given the general losing trend for the paper media.
: 的，有
: Freedom of choice != neutrality nor fairness. You don't like how $company
: runs its web site or business? Feel free to use another one.

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

24 楼

bullying? 这就是你的处世哲学？也许你的处世哲学大概是盗版，或者英国人那样我
要卖给你鸦片你不买我就打/在21世纪，我公民偷运鸦片到你国家也不能判死刑。老头
不是bullying，再过些时候，你看看到底是老头bullying还是这个世界缺了google一样
转。这个世界做生意要长久的话，还是要讲点商业道德的。什么是商业道德，就是公平
，做事儿不亏心，有钱大家赚，不是一个人独吞了全部利益还说别人bullying。
自由，作为从专制中国来的人都知道是多么可贵。当一个人/组织大到拥有控制思想和
舆论的潜力的时候，是不可以宽恕的，这个比生产实体产品的垄断还要可怕。所以，我
之前用chrome，用google，现在尽量多用safari，bing和baidu。
再多说一句，不管是入了籍的汉族人还是在美的中国人，对于youtube或者google这样
的肆意歪曲西藏新疆事实的行为不可以接受，对那些一边叫嚣不作恶一边歪曲事实的就
更不应该接受。
回你的楼下，这不是boring，这是民族利益和尊严。也许外国走狗不会听这些。

bully,

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: 子一样让别人
: Bullying _is_ part of the business. When I said Murdoch was trying to bully,
: that was _not_ a moral judgement. I was merely pointing out that the
: technique
: wouldn't work, given the general losing trend for the paper media.
: 的，有
: Freedom of choice != neutrality nor fairness. You don't like how $company
: runs its web site or business? Feel free to use another one.

m*e2012-09-07 07:09

25 楼

Is this even legal?

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

26 楼

judging everything by their personal moral or political standing？你的回帖
有么有在judge我？你是不是文化大革命那一套呢？每个人每天都会judge别人，我觉
得这个没什么错。而你的说法自相矛盾---人格分裂？
文化大革命？是不是斗臭老九，不尊重知识来着？搜索是好东西，google出来之前就有
。但不以为着可以不尊重知识生产者。新闻工作者的劳动成果是不是知识不论，至少是
人家的劳动成果。未经许可，个人使用可以，从中牟利了还不给钱，说新闻工作者
bullying...
你有你的哲学，你也可以judge别人，但是别人也一样可以judge你。

【在 l*********s 的大作中提到】

: Agree; some people are still in the mindset of culture revolution, judging
: everything by their peronal moral or political standing, boring :-(
:
: bully,

l*s2012-09-07 07:09

27 楼

whatever, you are boring,period.

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: judging everything by their personal moral or political standing？你的回帖
: 有么有在judge我？你是不是文化大革命那一套呢？每个人每天都会judge别人，我觉
: 得这个没什么错。而你的说法自相矛盾---人格分裂？
: 文化大革命？是不是斗臭老九，不尊重知识来着？搜索是好东西，google出来之前就有
: 。但不以为着可以不尊重知识生产者。新闻工作者的劳动成果是不是知识不论，至少是
: 人家的劳动成果。未经许可，个人使用可以，从中牟利了还不给钱，说新闻工作者
: bullying...
: 你有你的哲学，你也可以judge别人，但是别人也一样可以judge你。

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

28 楼

then go fxxx yourself. stupid.

【在 l*********s 的大作中提到】

: whatever, you are boring,period.

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

29 楼

First, would you _please_ go back and read my original post? The term
"bully" was brought up in reference to poker, where it's a perfectly all
right, and perfectly ethical technique to use on your opponent.
Secondly, if I changed "bullying" to "leveraging the current market
superiority
for further gains", would it make you more comfortable and realize how
typical
that is in the business world?
I'm amused. You apparently don't frequent USNews or a couple of other
more political boards, or you w

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: bullying? 这就是你的处世哲学？也许你的处世哲学大概是盗版，或者英国人那样我
: 要卖给你鸦片你不买我就打/在21世纪，我公民偷运鸦片到你国家也不能判死刑。老头
: 不是bullying，再过些时候，你看看到底是老头bullying还是这个世界缺了google一样
: 转。这个世界做生意要长久的话，还是要讲点商业道德的。什么是商业道德，就是公平
: ，做事儿不亏心，有钱大家赚，不是一个人独吞了全部利益还说别人bullying。
: 自由，作为从专制中国来的人都知道是多么可贵。当一个人/组织大到拥有控制思想和
: 舆论的潜力的时候，是不可以宽恕的，这个比生产实体产品的垄断还要可怕。所以，我
: 之前用chrome，用google，现在尽量多用safari，bing和baidu。
: 再多说一句，不管是入了籍的汉族人还是在美的中国人，对于youtube或者google这样
: 的肆意歪曲西藏新疆事实的行为不可以接受，对那些一边叫嚣不作恶一边歪曲事实的就

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

30 楼

1. Would you agree that, on google news, a user would still
_have to_ click into the original site to read the actual news?
2. Would you agree that a one-sentence summary
of other's work, with an immediate and explicit reference to the actual
work, qualifies as what's commonly referred to as "fair use" in copyright
laws?
If you happen to disagree, that's fine, please show me the facts
that prove those statements false. There's no need to get overly
agitated or even name calling, all right?

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: then go fxxx yourself. stupid.

l*s2012-09-07 07:09

31 楼

举报

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: then go fxxx yourself. stupid.

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

32 楼

你大概用google不多？我用google的话，新闻可以不点进去，所有我要的分类信息
google自动发送给我。嗯，也的确不少情况下是，我只看你所说的就一行标题，一行字，就完了，并不细读。so what do you think?
fair use？整个事情还在发展中。等着看看，你说的google的fair use 到底会怎样。

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: 1. Would you agree that, on google news, a user would still
: _have to_ click into the original site to read the actual news?
: 2. Would you agree that a one-sentence summary
: of other's work, with an immediate and explicit reference to the actual
: work, qualifies as what's commonly referred to as "fair use" in copyright
: laws?
: If you happen to disagree, that's fine, please show me the facts
: that prove those statements false. There's no need to get overly
: agitated or even name calling, all right?

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

33 楼

1. bully? 好像是老头抱怨google抢东西不给钱在先，google的人，或许包括你，说欢
迎你们撤走内容，没有我们的搜索看看还有谁看你们的内容，云云。谁在bully？你说
这是商业社会的正常，至少你政治不正确。你可以这么公开评论合作伙伴么？
2. 自由的思想和言论？你以为只有政府可以控制么？你以为政府真的能控制？说过多少话，做过多少事，走过多少路，年龄有多大都不代表你理解更多。google控制这样百分比的信息搜索，在这个
互联网时代，作为最有效检索信息的方式（之一），这就是问题。
3. 要平衡使用，不让一家独大。这些话，我写出来不是给你看的，是给大家看的，希
望更多的人了解中国的baidu，为什么中国政府支持，虽然是个美国上市公司。

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: 1. Would you agree that, on google news, a user would still
: _have to_ click into the original site to read the actual news?
: 2. Would you agree that a one-sentence summary
: of other's work, with an immediate and explicit reference to the actual
: work, qualifies as what's commonly referred to as "fair use" in copyright
: laws?
: If you happen to disagree, that's fine, please show me the facts
: that prove those statements false. There's no need to get overly
: agitated or even name calling, all right?

t*s2012-09-07 07:09

34 楼

where's the google statement? link please. if you don't have that,
you're just lying.
多少话，做过多少事，走过多少路，年龄有多大都不代表你理解更多。google控制这样
百分比的信息搜索，在这个
you must be kidding. or you owns a lot of bidu stock. fyi, baidu
is a cayman island company.

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 1. bully? 好像是老头抱怨google抢东西不给钱在先，google的人，或许包括你，说欢
: 迎你们撤走内容，没有我们的搜索看看还有谁看你们的内容，云云。谁在bully？你说
: 这是商业社会的正常，至少你政治不正确。你可以这么公开评论合作伙伴么？
: 2. 自由的思想和言论？你以为只有政府可以控制么？你以为政府真的能控制？说过多少话，做过多少事，走过多少路，年龄有多大都不代表你理解更多。google控制这样百分比的信息搜索，在这个
: 互联网时代，作为最有效检索信息的方式（之一），这就是问题。
: 3. 要平衡使用，不让一家独大。这些话，我写出来不是给你看的，是给大家看的，希
: 望更多的人了解中国的baidu，为什么中国政府支持，虽然是个美国上市公司。

N*D2012-09-07 07:09

35 楼

check today's news

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】

:
: 1. Would you agree that, on google news, a user would still
: _have to_ click into the original site to read the actual news?
: 2. Would you agree that a one-sentence summary
: of other's work, with an immediate and explicit reference to the actual
: work, qualifies as what's commonly referred to as "fair use" in copyright
: laws?
: If you happen to disagree, that's fine, please show me the facts
: that prove those statements false. There's no need to get overly
: agitated or even name calling, all right?

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

36 楼

别那么着急说别人lying吧，就好像不要像另外一位说别人过多道德评判。
什么是过度道德评判？度的标准是什么？说不过就只说别人过度评判么？
http://www.arisyulianta.com/2009/11/10/google-okay-with-blocking-news-corp/
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-to-rupert-murdoch-on-pulling-sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/
这个不是原文，不过大致这个意思。

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】

:
: where's the google statement? link please. if you don't have that,
: you're just lying.
: 多少话，做过多少事，走过多少路，年龄有多大都不代表你理解更多。google控制这样
: 百分比的信息搜索，在这个
: you must be kidding. or you owns a lot of bidu stock. fyi, baidu
: is a cayman island company.

d*t2012-09-07 07:09

37 楼

Hi, Wendi.

from-search-go-for-it-20091112/

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 别那么着急说别人lying吧，就好像不要像另外一位说别人过多道德评判。
: 什么是过度道德评判？度的标准是什么？说不过就只说别人过度评判么？
: http://www.arisyulianta.com/2009/11/10/google-okay-with-blocking-news-corp/
: http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-to-rupert-murdoch-on-pulling-sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/
: 这个不是原文，不过大致这个意思。

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

38 楼

。so what do you think?
The point at debate is not whether some users might be satisfied with
a one-line summary, but whether a one-line summary violates any
copyright law, or even is immoral. If it works for you, good for you,
I don't see how that makes it an unethical action on google part.
It's not what I said. "Fair use" is a legal term covering exactly these
situations.
None of the copyright suits that were brought up against google news
have made any serious headways in US court.

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 你大概用google不多？我用google的话，新闻可以不点进去，所有我要的分类信息
: google自动发送给我。嗯，也的确不少情况下是，我只看你所说的就一行标题，一行字，就完了，并不细读。so what do you think?
: fair use？整个事情还在发展中。等着看看，你说的google的fair use 到底会怎样。

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

39 楼

I don't think political correctness means what you think it does.
制这样百分比的信息搜索，在这个
Yes, it is a problem, but not as big as what a government can and will do,
because google still has to work within the limitation of a market, while
the power of a government can be virtually unbounded.
I'm not going to expand on that simply because this isn't the right
board.
And you don't think the Chinese government playing favoritism with baidu
is even a bigger, more worrisome issue than google's dominant mark

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 1. bully? 好像是老头抱怨google抢东西不给钱在先，google的人，或许包括你，说欢
: 迎你们撤走内容，没有我们的搜索看看还有谁看你们的内容，云云。谁在bully？你说
: 这是商业社会的正常，至少你政治不正确。你可以这么公开评论合作伙伴么？
: 2. 自由的思想和言论？你以为只有政府可以控制么？你以为政府真的能控制？说过多少话，做过多少事，走过多少路，年龄有多大都不代表你理解更多。google控制这样百分比的信息搜索，在这个
: 互联网时代，作为最有效检索信息的方式（之一），这就是问题。
: 3. 要平衡使用，不让一家独大。这些话，我写出来不是给你看的，是给大家看的，希
: 望更多的人了解中国的baidu，为什么中国政府支持，虽然是个美国上市公司。

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

40 楼

Now that's a cheap shot.

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 别那么着急说别人lying吧，就好像不要像另外一位说别人过多道德评判。
: 什么是过度道德评判？度的标准是什么？说不过就只说别人过度评判么？
: http://www.arisyulianta.com/2009/11/10/google-okay-with-blocking-news-corp/
: http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-to-rupert-murdoch-on-pulling-sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/
: 这个不是原文，不过大致这个意思。

t*s2012-09-07 07:09

41 楼

you were putting your words into google's mouth. google's spokeperson
just told a couple of facts: 1. google sent a lot of traffic to murdoch's
sites. 2. there's a existing, easy to use method to move their sites
from google's index if they choose to do so.
where did "欢迎你们撤走内容，没有我们的搜索看看还有谁看你们的内容" come from?
your lying mouth?

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 别那么着急说别人lying吧，就好像不要像另外一位说别人过多道德评判。
: 什么是过度道德评判？度的标准是什么？说不过就只说别人过度评判么？
: http://www.arisyulianta.com/2009/11/10/google-okay-with-blocking-news-corp/
: http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-to-rupert-murdoch-on-pulling-sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/
: 这个不是原文，不过大致这个意思。

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

42 楼

楼上两位尽管硬熬好了，或者王顾左右言他，或者只作人身攻击转移视线。
法律具体条文和商业实践从来都不是千年一律，一直在变动发展的；个中原则则基本不
变。magicfat不知道是读死书，还是假装读死书。
ps 为什么chrome 老是莫名其妙的自己折行？两位可能跟google有关系，查查看代码？

corp/
sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 别那么着急说别人lying吧，就好像不要像另外一位说别人过多道德评判。
: 什么是过度道德评判？度的标准是什么？说不过就只说别人过度评判么？
: http://www.arisyulianta.com/2009/11/10/google-okay-with-blocking-news-corp/
: http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-to-rupert-murdoch-on-pulling-sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/
: 这个不是原文，不过大致这个意思。

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

43 楼

google发言人当然不会那么没水准的直接说你们欺负我们小孩家家的，也不会直接说
没有我们的搜索
看看还有谁看你们的内容。互相bully呗，在wsj撤走信息之前，google反正还可以靠这
个赚垄断广告
利润，然后继续烧钱。。。表演
好像是噢，google还给他们“带来”流量了。如果没有google，像我这样普通访问者就
不能不会访问
wsj了？还是google胡扯淡，把别人的流量说成是自己带去的？是google四处免费搜索
来的小网站信
息可靠还是wsj的信息可靠？没有传统媒体的信誉和努力，google就是个小报引擎。其
他不知道，搞投
资和做生意，绝对不会浪费时间在没个正经小道消息上。
老头会不会最终从google那里撤下，google会不会偷信息? 不好说。不过好像最近
google开始低头
了。

murdoch's
from?

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】

: you were putting your words into google's mouth. google's spokeperson
: just told a couple of facts: 1. google sent a lot of traffic to murdoch's
: sites. 2. there's a existing, easy to use method to move their sites
: from google's index if they choose to do so.
: where did "欢迎你们撤走内容，没有我们的搜索看看还有谁看你们的内容" come from?
: your lying mouth?

i*o2012-09-07 07:09

44 楼

说我有bidu股票这个最搞了，典型的人身攻击。要是在新闻版面，回都不回的，下作得
没有新意。
在这里攻击google,宣扬bidu就能让bidu股票上涨还是咋地？上涨了1分钱的话，我大概
需要多少股才
能得到有意义的收益？我有空多研究会undervalued的股票会不会更有回报？
会回你这个贴子，是请你以后不要这么低智商的回我的帖子。太无聊。还是那句话，大
人说话，小孩不
要插嘴。

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】

: you were putting your words into google's mouth. google's spokeperson
: just told a couple of facts: 1. google sent a lot of traffic to murdoch's
: sites. 2. there's a existing, easy to use method to move their sites
: from google's index if they choose to do so.
: where did "欢迎你们撤走内容，没有我们的搜索看看还有谁看你们的内容" come from?
: your lying mouth?

m*t2012-09-07 07:09

45 楼

Please feel free to point out which part of my posts falls into
either of the categories - i.e., either a piece that was not a
direct response to your comments, or some kind of personal
attack.
I could actually pick out quick a few of those from yours, such
as the very sentence I am commenting on right now. I don't do
that because commenting on others debate techniques (however
low they may be) would only show that I don't have anything else
constructive to say or even tangential to stand on.
T

【在 i***o 的大作中提到】

: 楼上两位尽管硬熬好了，或者王顾左右言他，或者只作人身攻击转移视线。
: 法律具体条文和商业实践从来都不是千年一律，一直在变动发展的；个中原则则基本不
: 变。magicfat不知道是读死书，还是假装读死书。
: ps 为什么chrome 老是莫名其妙的自己折行？两位可能跟google有关系，查查看代码？
:
: corp/
: sites-from-search-go-for-it-20091112/

a*i2012-09-07 07:09

46 楼

Dude, there are legal definitions as to what monopoly is, so please,
constrain yourself when you wanna slap the monopoly /hat/ onto someone you
don't like.

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】

: 为啥那么多人用google?
: 因为google可以返回有用的content, 如果在GOOGLE上找不到最新的新闻，很多人就不
: 用它了
: google 现在就是靠自己的垄断地位抢劫content provider
: If ms can improve the revenue per impression for news corp's site by more
: than 18%, I think it is fine.
: Plus, it is a strategic approach. News paper industry has to find a way to
: survive in the internet era.