a*h
2 楼
只要今晚媒体再宣传一下,明天又有卖压了
c*a
4 楼
weird that stocks fear treasury yield rise
most of the time the two is at least positively correlated
WTF is the logic ?????
most of the time the two is at least positively correlated
WTF is the logic ?????
s*4
6 楼
The low interest rate and abundant liquidity since the 2008 crisis may have
created a lot of cheap money and credit for the stock market. Leverage could
be very high. If the yield rises, there will be pressure for deleveraging
and cash out from the stock market to clean up the balance sheet in order to
reduce the risk. And probably harder to raise new money to invest in stock,
although some reports say there are a lot of cash waiting outside of the
market too, not sure if it is true.
And higher yield bond with relatively lower risk will become more attractive
while stock market is at such a high level albeit the economy looks good.
And the market also fears of substantial growth of inflation which may
introduce a faster pace of hiking of interest rate. Higher yield may express
the same fear in the market as an indicator.
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: weird that stocks fear treasury yield rise
: most of the time the two is at least positively correlated
: WTF is the logic ?????
created a lot of cheap money and credit for the stock market. Leverage could
be very high. If the yield rises, there will be pressure for deleveraging
and cash out from the stock market to clean up the balance sheet in order to
reduce the risk. And probably harder to raise new money to invest in stock,
although some reports say there are a lot of cash waiting outside of the
market too, not sure if it is true.
And higher yield bond with relatively lower risk will become more attractive
while stock market is at such a high level albeit the economy looks good.
And the market also fears of substantial growth of inflation which may
introduce a faster pace of hiking of interest rate. Higher yield may express
the same fear in the market as an indicator.
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: weird that stocks fear treasury yield rise
: most of the time the two is at least positively correlated
: WTF is the logic ?????
a*k
7 楼
税改前,美国大公司只用交一点儿税就可以把钱放在海外,这些钱换个归属标签就转回
美国买美元债券,压低美债的利息,然后自己再借债回购股票,推高股市。这个过程中
,那些钱不仅没经过政府的盘剥而削减,实际上在美国市场上用了两遍,也就是说这是
一个6万亿美元的势力在推高股市,压低利息。
税改后,这些大公司就没有好的借口再搞这个花哨骗局了。最近债券市场上的买家据说
一下子减到原来的六分之一,于是利率狂飙,左手倒右手的骗局要破了。
那些说税改会导致美元回流的恐怕根本就不知道那些所谓的海外现金早就全转成了美元
债券了。利率狂飙说明那些大公司现在停买美债,准备交税了。而美元暴跌,说明外国
投资者在逃离美国市场。
have
could
to
stock,
attractive
【在 s*****4 的大作中提到】
: The low interest rate and abundant liquidity since the 2008 crisis may have
: created a lot of cheap money and credit for the stock market. Leverage could
: be very high. If the yield rises, there will be pressure for deleveraging
: and cash out from the stock market to clean up the balance sheet in order to
: reduce the risk. And probably harder to raise new money to invest in stock,
: although some reports say there are a lot of cash waiting outside of the
: market too, not sure if it is true.
: And higher yield bond with relatively lower risk will become more attractive
: while stock market is at such a high level albeit the economy looks good.
: And the market also fears of substantial growth of inflation which may
美国买美元债券,压低美债的利息,然后自己再借债回购股票,推高股市。这个过程中
,那些钱不仅没经过政府的盘剥而削减,实际上在美国市场上用了两遍,也就是说这是
一个6万亿美元的势力在推高股市,压低利息。
税改后,这些大公司就没有好的借口再搞这个花哨骗局了。最近债券市场上的买家据说
一下子减到原来的六分之一,于是利率狂飙,左手倒右手的骗局要破了。
那些说税改会导致美元回流的恐怕根本就不知道那些所谓的海外现金早就全转成了美元
债券了。利率狂飙说明那些大公司现在停买美债,准备交税了。而美元暴跌,说明外国
投资者在逃离美国市场。
have
could
to
stock,
attractive
【在 s*****4 的大作中提到】
: The low interest rate and abundant liquidity since the 2008 crisis may have
: created a lot of cheap money and credit for the stock market. Leverage could
: be very high. If the yield rises, there will be pressure for deleveraging
: and cash out from the stock market to clean up the balance sheet in order to
: reduce the risk. And probably harder to raise new money to invest in stock,
: although some reports say there are a lot of cash waiting outside of the
: market too, not sure if it is true.
: And higher yield bond with relatively lower risk will become more attractive
: while stock market is at such a high level albeit the economy looks good.
: And the market also fears of substantial growth of inflation which may
d*9
8 楼
反正想怎么说就怎么说
s*4
9 楼
的确传闻苹果要减少发债回收现金用于回报股东。假设美国公司减少发债,那原来打算
购买这些公司债的投资人如果打算继续投资债券,就只能投资其它国家的公司债或者美
国国债。美国公司海外资金应该比发行的公司债多,所以这些公司抛售美债的确影响会
较大。
美国公司减少发债而动用储备现金,就相当于投入市场的钱少了,而美债受到的影响先
表现出来,相当于rebalance。如果这些动用的现金能促进经济增长,股市应该还有一
定支撑。就是美国的国债面对高利率比较麻烦,要看联储那边怎么控制。
至于美元弱是否是因为投资者出逃,不敢肯定,最好能找到有相关数据佐证。自08年危
机而来,美元指数也是到了15年才接近90。美元贬值其实一定程度上可以对冲利率上升
带来的债务压力,也可以说是利率上升加上庞大的债务令美元承压。但是对于外贸来说
却不是坏事。我倒不太肯定投资者要抛售美元出逃有充分理由。特朗普的嘴炮真有这么
可怕吗,呵呵。
【在 a***k 的大作中提到】
: 税改前,美国大公司只用交一点儿税就可以把钱放在海外,这些钱换个归属标签就转回
: 美国买美元债券,压低美债的利息,然后自己再借债回购股票,推高股市。这个过程中
: ,那些钱不仅没经过政府的盘剥而削减,实际上在美国市场上用了两遍,也就是说这是
: 一个6万亿美元的势力在推高股市,压低利息。
: 税改后,这些大公司就没有好的借口再搞这个花哨骗局了。最近债券市场上的买家据说
: 一下子减到原来的六分之一,于是利率狂飙,左手倒右手的骗局要破了。
: 那些说税改会导致美元回流的恐怕根本就不知道那些所谓的海外现金早就全转成了美元
: 债券了。利率狂飙说明那些大公司现在停买美债,准备交税了。而美元暴跌,说明外国
: 投资者在逃离美国市场。
:
购买这些公司债的投资人如果打算继续投资债券,就只能投资其它国家的公司债或者美
国国债。美国公司海外资金应该比发行的公司债多,所以这些公司抛售美债的确影响会
较大。
美国公司减少发债而动用储备现金,就相当于投入市场的钱少了,而美债受到的影响先
表现出来,相当于rebalance。如果这些动用的现金能促进经济增长,股市应该还有一
定支撑。就是美国的国债面对高利率比较麻烦,要看联储那边怎么控制。
至于美元弱是否是因为投资者出逃,不敢肯定,最好能找到有相关数据佐证。自08年危
机而来,美元指数也是到了15年才接近90。美元贬值其实一定程度上可以对冲利率上升
带来的债务压力,也可以说是利率上升加上庞大的债务令美元承压。但是对于外贸来说
却不是坏事。我倒不太肯定投资者要抛售美元出逃有充分理由。特朗普的嘴炮真有这么
可怕吗,呵呵。
【在 a***k 的大作中提到】
: 税改前,美国大公司只用交一点儿税就可以把钱放在海外,这些钱换个归属标签就转回
: 美国买美元债券,压低美债的利息,然后自己再借债回购股票,推高股市。这个过程中
: ,那些钱不仅没经过政府的盘剥而削减,实际上在美国市场上用了两遍,也就是说这是
: 一个6万亿美元的势力在推高股市,压低利息。
: 税改后,这些大公司就没有好的借口再搞这个花哨骗局了。最近债券市场上的买家据说
: 一下子减到原来的六分之一,于是利率狂飙,左手倒右手的骗局要破了。
: 那些说税改会导致美元回流的恐怕根本就不知道那些所谓的海外现金早就全转成了美元
: 债券了。利率狂飙说明那些大公司现在停买美债,准备交税了。而美元暴跌,说明外国
: 投资者在逃离美国市场。
:
l*y
10 楼
sp500 earning yield was at 3.9x% level while us10yr was marching toward 3.0%
, this might force some mm to proactively rebalance profit risk, moving $
out of the equity market. The first seller suddenly arises.
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: weird that stocks fear treasury yield rise
: most of the time the two is at least positively correlated
: WTF is the logic ?????
, this might force some mm to proactively rebalance profit risk, moving $
out of the equity market. The first seller suddenly arises.
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: weird that stocks fear treasury yield rise
: most of the time the two is at least positively correlated
: WTF is the logic ?????
F*d
11 楼
川总书记派大员驻守华尔街,胆敢将钱从股市转向债市的,推出午门斩首。
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