是耶和华见证人? 那帮人是邪教的. 简单说, 基督教告诉你他们认为是真理的道理, 你可以选择不信, 不信的结果也告诉你 , 你可以选择不怕. 换句话说, 你MB爱干嘛干嘛. Make the choice, take the consequence, and never regret or complain about it . If you can't ... Les Misérables
论证:基督教信仰强烈扭曲人性(简化版) 很简单的逻辑论证,请大家思考: 1)基督徒们相信“圣经”的记载都是真实的。 2)“圣经”记载了耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,甚至__使__人们吃自己儿女 的肉这样令人发指的暴行。 3)因此,基督徒们相信耶和华/耶稣真的大规模屠杀婴儿并且干过_使_人们吃自己 儿女的肉这样的事。 4)但是,基督徒们不仅不谴责这样的暴行,反而是赞美! 因此,我们的结论是:基督教信仰强烈地扭曲了基督徒们的人性! 相关经文很多,仅举一例: 耶利米书 19:9 我必使他们在围困窘迫之中,就是仇敌和寻索其命的人窘迫他们的时候,各 人吃自己儿女的肉和朋友的肉。 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.' 中文:“我必使......各人吃自己儿女的肉和朋友的肉。” 英文:“I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters” 中英文对照,清清楚楚,明明白白,基督教的“上帝”(或者:“神”)耶和华/耶稣 完全是__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉! 基督徒们或许会狡辩说,那都是因为人有罪啊!假设人都有罪好了,基督教的“上帝” 耶和华/耶稣用“__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉”这样的方法来惩罚人们,足以说明耶和 华/耶稣是何等的邪恶了! 有些基督徒还狡辩说,这里“使”的意思起实施”任凭“。这种“解释”是说不通的。 原因有两个:一是看英文版并没有“任凭”的意思,二是“圣经”翻译的时候,“全知 全能”的“上帝”管不管啊?如果管,会出现这种翻译错误吗?由此可见,基督徒们的 狡辩是说不过去的。 再补充一节经文:耶和华/耶稣下令屠杀,耶和华/耶稣还特别强调连还在吃奶的婴儿都 要杀掉。类似的经文“圣经”里还有不少。 撒母耳记上 15:2 万军之耶和华如此说,以色列人出埃及的时候,在路上亚玛力人怎样待他们,怎 样抵挡他们,我都没忘。 15:3 现在你要去击打亚玛力人,灭尽他们所有的,不可怜惜他们,将男女,孩童,吃 奶的,并牛,羊,骆驼,和驴尽行杀死。
You need to read Bible many times to understand a little. it is not only a culture, but a comfort in your life at the times you may need. you go there not for benefit, but for social, learning, prayer, and redemption at the time of human and family tragedy, hard and vulnerable times, and happy moment of wedding, we all pray there is God to preside justice, there is a format and formality or celibration for the event. Christianility provides that. The calling from God takes decades for some. 干脆和他们一刀两端 this may be an unkind word to say. hope it helps. 断断续续的听了几次可课。还去了几次聚会。本来以为他们会给我点好处,不过看这意 思是根本不可能。干脆和他们一刀两端。可他们到底想要什么啊?整天聚一起学习上帝 就能创造财富过上好日子?有明白人吗?给说说,谢谢。
【在 j****w 的大作中提到】 : You need to read Bible many times to understand a little. : it is not only a culture, but a comfort in your life at the times you may : need. : you go there not for benefit, but for social, learning, prayer, and : redemption : at the time of human and family tragedy, hard and vulnerable times, and : happy moment of wedding, we all pray there is God to preside justice, there : is a format and formality or celibration for the event. Christianility : provides that. : The calling from God takes decades for some.
【在 j****w 的大作中提到】 : You need to read Bible many times to understand a little. : it is not only a culture, but a comfort in your life at the times you may : need. : you go there not for benefit, but for social, learning, prayer, and : redemption : at the time of human and family tragedy, hard and vulnerable times, and : happy moment of wedding, we all pray there is God to preside justice, there : is a format and formality or celibration for the event. Christianility : provides that. : The calling from God takes decades for some.
nope, not quite yet. still reading from time to time. i may understand more when i am humbled more. this is a hardish word to say 你真的相信耶稣的疯话吗?疯话吗 let's say. we do not understand and try to understand God's miracle. 嗯,看来你读懂“圣经”了哈?按照“圣经”,耶稣吹牛说“信的人”“手按病人,病 人就__必__好了”,你真的相信耶稣的疯话吗?
j*w
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Jehovah's Witness is a branch of christinality community strayed from the main street. they are aggressive and knocking the doors often. nevetheless, they are kind people doing what they believe most of Chinese Crhistians are non-demonination - meaning do not belong to any branch relatively less doctrine
l*a
25 楼
华人信的那些所谓nondenominationalism通常都是基要的,也就是基督徒原教旨
【在 j****w 的大作中提到】 : Jehovah's Witness is a branch of christinality community strayed from the : main street. : they are aggressive and knocking the doors often. : nevetheless, they are kind people doing what they believe : most of Chinese Crhistians are non-demonination - : meaning do not belong to any branch : relatively less doctrine
l*a
26 楼
你信耶和华全能万能又慈爱,随时随刻都和你同在么?
【在 j****w 的大作中提到】 : nope, not quite yet. still reading from time to time. : i may understand more when i am humbled more. : this is a hardish word to say : 你真的相信耶稣的疯话吗?疯话吗 : let's say. we do not understand and try to understand God's miracle. : 嗯,看来你读懂“圣经”了哈?按照“圣经”,耶稣吹牛说“信的人”“手按病人,病 : 人就__必__好了”,你真的相信耶稣的疯话吗?
j*w
27 楼
Religion may not bring the comfort. it is the belief, my understanding may, from time to time, bring the comfort 宗教可以给人带来精神慰藉不假
Christianity is a crutch for weak-minded people who cannot make it in life without faith.
【在 j****w 的大作中提到】 : Religion may not bring the comfort. : it is the belief, my understanding : may, from time to time, bring the comfort : 宗教可以给人带来精神慰藉不假
【在 j****w 的大作中提到】 : nope, not quite yet. still reading from time to time. : i may understand more when i am humbled more. : this is a hardish word to say : 你真的相信耶稣的疯话吗?疯话吗 : let's say. we do not understand and try to understand God's miracle. : 嗯,看来你读懂“圣经”了哈?按照“圣经”,耶稣吹牛说“信的人”“手按病人,病 : 人就__必__好了”,你真的相信耶稣的疯话吗?
g*o
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我来回答这个问题吧。 因为人有良知,你有,他有,大家都有。 圣经里对上帝是谁,他怎么样的人,和我们人的关系怎么样,说的挺清楚的。 这位同学,不知你为何要断章取意。如果上帝是如你所说的,那又哪来的你我的存在? 以上帝的能耐,需要用个邪教的形式么?他可以把石头变成你我一样的人,他需要在乎 你我么? 可是他在乎了,他用自己的儿子的命救人类了,如果不是巨大的爱,他何必呢?重头到 尾,他没有对不起我们人类,是人类对不起他。 以色列人就是典型的例子。 人类一次次的背叛他,他还是牺牲了自己的儿子来拯救人类。眼睁睁地看着儿子被杀, 不出手,换了你,我,我们任何一个人,能做到这个程度么? 请问同学,你、我、我们人类,有什么金贵的,值得上帝这么对待? 就前面的引述,我想问一下,如果现在闹饥荒,同学你会不会与人易子而食?或者说, 有多少人会这么去做?我们中国历史上有这样的饥荒时候,是不是每个人都易子而食了 ,还是有更多的人宁愿自己不活也好护好自己的孩子? 又比如说爱你的敌人,谁是你的敌人?人类互相残杀还不够多么?兄弟姐妹甚至夫妻, 做不到相亲相爱,难道还少么? Jesus是怎么对待他的敌人的?那些折辱他、把他钉上十字架的,该是够敌人了吧,可 是Jesus没有还手,还帮他们说情,他说:父亲,请原谅他们,因为他们无知。Father , forgive them, for they know not what they do.---Luke 23:34 kjv 所以,我们人,所有人,无论犯了怎么样的错,哪怕十恶不赦,Jesus的血已经帮我们 清洗干净了。我们都可以回归天堂。
你不认同这个是消灭,那你消灭一个来看看? 我再问你,上帝的拳头大不大?他要是像敌人那样行事,就砸你了,你能怎么办? 现在有个仁慈的上帝爱你,你就这么多意见, 这算不算升米恩,斗米仇?算不算个白 眼狼?-----包括我自己在内哈,没有人不 fall short the glory of God. 兄弟,你化了我这么多时间和你讨论,你该发包子啊,:)
【在 g*******o 的大作中提到】 : 你不认同这个是消灭,那你消灭一个来看看? : 我再问你,上帝的拳头大不大?他要是像敌人那样行事,就砸你了,你能怎么办? : 现在有个仁慈的上帝爱你,你就这么多意见, 这算不算升米恩,斗米仇?算不算个白 : 眼狼?-----包括我自己在内哈,没有人不 fall short the glory of God. : 兄弟,你化了我这么多时间和你讨论,你该发包子啊,:)
s*i
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Annihilation, fresh and spirit, cease to exist.Anything is far kinder than eternal punishment. Revelation 14:11 says, “And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night…” Your God created a hell for everlasting punishment. It's sadistic and evil. Why everlasting punishment? Just because a child is born into a non- Christian family and doesn't believe Jesus in his life? Did he actually answer why Job suffered other than boasting that he is the creator?
【在 g*******o 的大作中提到】 : 你不认同这个是消灭,那你消灭一个来看看? : 我再问你,上帝的拳头大不大?他要是像敌人那样行事,就砸你了,你能怎么办? : 现在有个仁慈的上帝爱你,你就这么多意见, 这算不算升米恩,斗米仇?算不算个白 : 眼狼?-----包括我自己在内哈,没有人不 fall short the glory of God. : 兄弟,你化了我这么多时间和你讨论,你该发包子啊,:)
兄弟啊,耶和华他也是你主子啊,承不承认由你。没有他,就不会有你啊。 好吧,你读到那段圣经你不舒服,俺读到那里时也不舒服,只是俺觉得按照上帝他的 character,他不是个杀人的主啊。 你看,Niniva那个城市里的人,连Jonah都不愿意去传教,上帝还是要救的。Jonah宁愿 逃亡也不愿意听上帝的去Nineveh preach,他选择葬身海里。结果上帝让条大鱼救了他 ,Jonah不想死了,谢了上帝,祈祷了3天3夜,就勉强去了Nineveh, 结果没人愿意听 他的,Nineveh的人继续do evil。Jonah把自己关在山顶上自生自灭。上帝长了棵树, 让Jonah有阴凉,Jonah很感激。上帝又让树枯萎了,Jonah就很生气,质问上帝,上帝 是这么回答他的:“Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?” “You have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored, nor made it grow, which came up in a night and perished in a night. And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left —and much livestock?” 你再看,往前Abraham时代,上帝收到很多outcry, 两个地方Sodom和Gomorrh,那里连 小孩子都do evil。上帝要毁掉这两个城市,知道Abraham会不忍,还是没有瞒着 Abraham。 Abraham以他个人的见识和上帝理论,上帝答应他如果有10个人是righteous 的, 他会为了这10个人放弃毁灭这个城市。 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.” Genesis 18:32. 结果是只有Lot一家不evil。 再看,Jeremiah 1:5,上帝说了,在你成形以前我就知道你了。“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; 所以,上帝下命令的时候,是知道那些人的。再说了 ,上帝要复活一些人, 也不是什么做不到的事。 所以,我不会纠结这位同学所引用的经文,单就凭上帝没有隐瞒这件事。 这位同学, 你如果不是成心挑刺,那么有空仔细读读圣经吧。
【在 g*******o 的大作中提到】 : 兄弟啊,耶和华他也是你主子啊,承不承认由你。没有他,就不会有你啊。 : 好吧,你读到那段圣经你不舒服,俺读到那里时也不舒服,只是俺觉得按照上帝他的 : character,他不是个杀人的主啊。 : 你看,Niniva那个城市里的人,连Jonah都不愿意去传教,上帝还是要救的。Jonah宁愿 : 逃亡也不愿意听上帝的去Nineveh preach,他选择葬身海里。结果上帝让条大鱼救了他 : ,Jonah不想死了,谢了上帝,祈祷了3天3夜,就勉强去了Nineveh, 结果没人愿意听 : 他的,Nineveh的人继续do evil。Jonah把自己关在山顶上自生自灭。上帝长了棵树, : 让Jonah有阴凉,Jonah很感激。上帝又让树枯萎了,Jonah就很生气,质问上帝,上帝 : 是这么回答他的:“Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?” “You : have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored, nor made it grow,
g*o
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好吧,这个是我的new king james 的study Bible 对这段经文的解释: 14:34 Let your women keep silent: Paul's command here is the subject of much debate, for it seems to contradict the fact that Paul spoke of women prophesying in 11:5. It has been suggested that Paul was addressing a particular problem in the Corinthian church, a group of women who were disruptive. This verse has also been interpreted as a prohibition on women interpreting prophecy, judging the prophets, or speaking in tongues. 除了verse 11:5, 还看Judges。 Debrah 是个女的,她是以色列人的女Judge。 Judges 4 and 5。 所以这位同学还要坚持这样纠结这段verse么? 圣经有那么多本书,有那么多的verses, 干吗就围着这个verse不放呢? There are 23,145 verses in the Old Testament and 7,957 verses in the New Testament. This gives a total of 31,102 verses。
【在 g*******o 的大作中提到】 : 好吧,这个是我的new king james 的study Bible 对这段经文的解释: : 14:34 Let your women keep silent: Paul's command here is the subject of : much debate, for it seems to contradict the fact that Paul spoke of women : prophesying in 11:5. It has been suggested that Paul was addressing a : particular problem in the Corinthian church, a group of women who were : disruptive. This verse has also been interpreted as a prohibition on women : interpreting prophecy, judging the prophets, or speaking in tongues. : 除了verse 11:5, 还看Judges。 Debrah 是个女的,她是以色列人的女Judge。 : Judges 4 and 5。 : 所以这位同学还要坚持这样纠结这段verse么?