【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】 : Good cartoon....Who is the doctor in the picture?
l*s
37 楼
铊孩呢?
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 去跳大坑吧,那个味道更适合你
k*9
38 楼
肯定不是你家自行车脸,你只是丫鬟,上不得台面
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 难道是你?
h*u
39 楼
你若不是耗子,管你p事?
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 难道是你?
p*n
40 楼
这幅画得不错,把孙铊和123周游4方的恶毒母兽刻画得很形象
【在 l**s 的大作中提到】
i*c
41 楼
中场休息。该上厕所的上厕所,该找替补的找替补,该从新布置发贴纲要的从新布置, 等等。。
official
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】 : What is the latest? Anyone can give some updates? i.e. government official : statement, police's statement
x*u
42 楼
Well, what else do you expect? If a new investigation still does not lead to charging Sun Wei, all of those who accuse her of the crime here would claim it's only the result of political interference. What do you think is easier for the officials in charge to do? Conduct an objective investigation based solely on evidence, then face the fury of the mob, or conduct a fake investigation with the aim of concluding Sun is guilty so the mob will be happy with them?
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : Well, what else do you expect? If a new investigation still does not lead : to charging Sun Wei, all of those who accuse her of the crime here would : claim it's only the result of political interference. : What do you think is easier for the officials in charge to do? Conduct an : objective investigation based solely on evidence, then face the fury of the : mob, or conduct a fake investigation with the aim of concluding Sun is : guilty so the mob will be happy with them?
v*x
44 楼
对不起,冒犯了你的肖像权
【在 h*******u 的大作中提到】 : 你若不是耗子,管你p事?
l*s
45 楼
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 对不起,冒犯了你的肖像权
v*x
46 楼
你这个逻辑对大妈们是无解。走进政治就是死结了。
the
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : Well, what else do you expect? If a new investigation still does not lead : to charging Sun Wei, all of those who accuse her of the crime here would : claim it's only the result of political interference. : What do you think is easier for the officials in charge to do? Conduct an : objective investigation based solely on evidence, then face the fury of the : mob, or conduct a fake investigation with the aim of concluding Sun is : guilty so the mob will be happy with them?
Because at this point, the only chance of finding the killer is for that person to come out and admit it. Trying to find clues from the evidence gathered 20 years ago is very, very, very unlikely to even point the investigation on the right track, much less proving anyone guilty. The result of an objective investigation will most likely still reach a conclusion of "not enough evidence to charge anyone". Then the mob's conclusion will be "the new investigation was again interfered by political power". They will still be angry, still think Sun is guilty, and again call for another investigation. They won't stop until one of the investigation conclude Sun is guilty. So that the situation we are in right now, anyone conducting an honest investigation will most likely to be accused of covering up for Sun, while on the other hand, if they conduct a fake investigation just to conclude Sun Wei is guilty, they would be hailed as heros for not bending to pressure. Which route would you think China's officials are more likely to choose?
【在 C**********r 的大作中提到】 : 为什么重启会冤判,是我不明白的 : : the
C*r
51 楼
好像还是没有回答我的问题。我不是讨论能不能重启。我是问为什么重启一定会冤判?
political call investigation
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : Because at this point, the only chance of finding the killer is for that : person to come out and admit it. Trying to find clues from the evidence : gathered 20 years ago is very, very, very unlikely to even point the : investigation on the right track, much less proving anyone guilty. : The result of an objective investigation will most likely still reach a : conclusion of "not enough evidence to charge anyone". Then the mob's : conclusion will be "the new investigation was again interfered by political : power". They will still be angry, still think Sun is guilty, and again call : for another investigation. They won't stop until one of the investigation
C*r
52 楼
maybe she wants attention, i don't know. Can you be sure about what you said?
【在 C**********r 的大作中提到】 : maybe she wants attention, i don't know. Can you be sure about what you said?
x*u
54 楼
I don't know how I can explain it more clearly. Just re-read what I wrote. Basically, the mobs will keep calling for more investigations until Sun is concluded to be guilty in one of them. Any other conclusion will just convince them Sun's family exerted more political influence. And since there are really no real chance of finding any more evidence to prove anything, the only way for any investigation to "prove" Sun Wei's guilt would be to beat a confession out of her.
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : I don't know how I can explain it more clearly. Just re-read what I wrote. : Basically, the mobs will keep calling for more investigations until Sun is : concluded to be guilty in one of them. Any other conclusion will just : convince them Sun's family exerted more political influence. And since : there are really no real chance of finding any more evidence to prove : anything, the only way for any investigation to "prove" Sun Wei's guilt : would be to beat a confession out of her.
Mobs don't consider any investigation that can't conclude Sun Wei is guilty as unbiased investigation. Because no evidence of interference is just proof that the interference came from very high up, and everyone's scared to talk about it.
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : Mobs don't consider any investigation that can't conclude Sun Wei is guilty : as unbiased investigation. Because no evidence of interference is just : proof that the interference came from very high up, and everyone's scared to : talk about it.
v*x
62 楼
有心人推的就是这个效果
guilty to
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : Mobs don't consider any investigation that can't conclude Sun Wei is guilty : as unbiased investigation. Because no evidence of interference is just : proof that the interference came from very high up, and everyone's scared to : talk about it.
C*r
63 楼
冤判的可能性大不大?
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 你的贴呢?
y*y
64 楼
The problem with the past investigation is it's a black box. There is no transparency. Since there are lots of corruption cases in china, naturally people will think there is something fishy. There is prime suspect in this case. People want to know what the police know and if there are other suspects in the case. A new investigation should be completely transparent to public with independent counsel pointed by senior leadership. If Chinese central government is serious about solving this crime and fighting corruption charges, then it should establish a fair due process under the guideline of rule of law. Only by doing so it will win in the court of public opinion.
the
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : Mobs don't consider any investigation that can't conclude Sun Wei is guilty : as unbiased investigation. Because no evidence of interference is just : proof that the interference came from very high up, and everyone's scared to : talk about it.
y*y
65 楼
Psychopathy
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 有心人推的就是这个效果 : : guilty : to
v*x
66 楼
自己还挺会总结的。
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】 : Psychopathy
y*y
67 楼
Ta party is socially deprived so it's only natural....
【在 v*x 的大作中提到】 : 自己还挺会总结的。
y*y
68 楼
bump
x*u
69 楼
naturally of 查案过程在案件结束以前根本就不可能公开透明,无论哪国都是如此。只要是在查到案 子,就必然是个黑匣子。你要求法庭审判公开透明可以,但是这个案子从来就没有到法 庭审判的地步。 公开所有警察证据的唯一结果就是这个案子永远没有重开的可能。因为凶手就能知道警 察知道什么了,自己有什么漏洞需要补救,线索离自己有多远。而且即便是以后有人自 首都不好证明这是真凶还是假冒。 所以说,凶手才是最希望证据公开的人。
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】 : The problem with the past investigation is it's a black box. There is no : transparency. Since there are lots of corruption cases in china, naturally : people will think there is something fishy. There is prime suspect in this : case. People want to know what the police know and if there are other : suspects in the case. : A new investigation should be completely transparent to public with : independent counsel pointed by senior leadership. If Chinese central : government is serious about solving this crime and fighting corruption : charges, then it should establish a fair due process under the guideline of : rule of law. Only by doing so it will win in the court of public opinion.
Who told you 查案过程在案件结束以前根本就不可能公开透明? If you said it's China, maybe you have a good argument even though it doesn't mean this is the right thing to do. But you went on to say 无论哪国都是如此, that is bullshit. Many criminal cases are widely reported in the U.S media. As part of the due process, prosecution also MUST share any evidence to the defendant and the lawyer before the evidence can be admissible to the court. We are asking why 这个案子从来就没有到法庭审判的地步 and what stopped it. Based on the public info we already know, it seems police has enough evidence and has a prime suspect. So the question is why not. Since the police decided not to prosecute and concluded the case, then why not disclose it to public? These are logical questions we will ask. What is your reasoning behind 公开所有警察证据的唯一结果就是这个案子永远没有 重开的可能? In the U.S., prosecution must share the evidence to the defendant before any evidence is presented to the court including judge and jury. You are full of bullshit and illogical arguments. Too many holes.
You are the biggest SB on the forum....tops all other TA party members.
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : : 你是不想找真凶了,对吧?
y*y
75 楼
who has the latest?
y*y
76 楼
Ta party new updates - losing argument and face on Tianya and Mitbbs jumping up and down and pulling hairs manufacturing more "suspects" and fake stories simply talking about something else to distract general public