[合集] ZL Case Updates# WaterWorld - 未名水世界
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 08:39:24 2013, 美东) 提到:
What is the latest? Anyone can give some updates? i.e. government official
statement, police's statement
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 08:47:11 2013, 美东) 提到:
bump
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kingdom009 (颠仆不能折) 于 (Fri May 24 08:52:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
好像孙维又在天涯出现了，说重启朱令案铊肯定被屈打成招，大谈司法独立。
我不会帖图，否则就移过来了
这恶妇可能精神有问题了。
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 09:00:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
Okay, she is f'ed up. that's we all know...What about the official words?
what is the media saying? what is the police saying? anything at all?
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:05:05 2013, 美东) 提到:
铊铊们感觉风向不对了
提前出来铺路了
大家得努力有效果了
加油哈。。。
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:08:49 2013, 美东) 提到:
@eredan 352315楼 2013-05-24 16:52:20
对了，孙屎眼，荷兰语的也来了。欧洲的媒体慢半拍，现在慢慢跟上了，哈哈
http://www.nrc.nl/longreads/2013/05/24/zhu-ling-weet-niet-dat-ze-al-18-jaar-een-veelbesproken-onderwerp-online-is/
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:13:34 2013, 美东) 提到:
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:15:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
official
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:18:28 2013, 美东) 提到:
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 09:29:30 2013, 美东) 提到:
Good cartoon....Who is the doctor in the picture?
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walksnow (动心忍性) 于 (Fri May 24 09:30:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
图片都很有料啊
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 09:42:10 2013, 美东) 提到:
这个爆料头一回听说，ZKSS吧
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:06:14 2013, 美东) 提到:
这话在我加入讨论的前期板上就有人说过。然后好像持这种说法的人跑了。变成双方都
大力支持重启了，所以我也不明白为什么我们不能统一。原来还是有人觉得重启一定会
冤判的啊？！
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:09:07 2013, 美东) 提到:
很好，你的小智商终于又上了一个数量级，有希望康复了。加油！
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Fri May 24 10:10:23 2013, 美东) 提到:
sw's mother
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sequel (暴力云) 于 (Fri May 24 10:12:53 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林早。
来，寒林给说说进展吧。
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:13:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
那只猫是谁？
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:14:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
去跳大坑吧，那个味道更适合你
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sealight (我挺艾未未，谭作人，赵连海等等维权人士) 于 (Fri May 24 10:15:44 2013, 美东) 提到:
那只是间歇性的， 很快又会往下掉了。
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sequel (暴力云) 于 (Fri May 24 10:18:12 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林不想让我在这玩了
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Fri May 24 10:19:03 2013, 美东) 提到:
反正不是你
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zaishishi (北欧华人) 于 (Fri May 24 10:19:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
第一次试着贴图，天涯下的，不知真伪，原帖里没找到。
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:20:14 2013, 美东) 提到:
哈，这么没头没脑的攻击还是第一次见。你和你男闺蜜还真是一对啊，讲话都那么没有
根据的呵。
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sequel (暴力云) 于 (Fri May 24 10:21:54 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林自己干蠢事暴露自己，居然还有脸跟别人谈智商。啧啧
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:22:04 2013, 美东) 提到:
掉不了，我有空就顶。难得有这个现智商的坑，没人跳可惜了
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:22:31 2013, 美东) 提到:
哈哈，患间歇的不正是裙主吗？怎么，又有意思出来骂网民了？
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:23:22 2013, 美东) 提到:
难道是你？
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:24:08 2013, 美东) 提到:
en，好像暗号没有对上啊。我拍个照。智商不智商的，你我讲没什么用。看者知道。
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:25:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
刚夸了你一句就不行了，sealight 还说対了
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zaishishi (北欧华人) 于 (Fri May 24 10:29:58 2013, 美东) 提到:
同意这个，对贝的质疑应该也是一步。
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:33:24 2013, 美东) 提到:
隔壁还等你回答为什么把自己划掉了呢。
你还在这儿搞攻击？
你俩的对我说辞没什么需要争辩的，反正铊集团揪着我打大家都看见了的。
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:34:34 2013, 美东) 提到:
早就有对贝的质疑了吧
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:35:32 2013, 美东) 提到:
还没看，你给总结一下吧，省得我费事爬楼
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:37:06 2013, 美东) 提到:
算你说对了一回，奖小红花一朵
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:37:51 2013, 美东) 提到:
不会吧。我们要知道，为什么划掉。。。
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 10:41:30 2013, 美东) 提到:
铊娘
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 10:43:21 2013, 美东) 提到:
铊孩呢？
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kingdom009 (颠仆不能折) 于 (Fri May 24 10:49:27 2013, 美东) 提到:
肯定不是你家自行车脸，你只是丫鬟，上不得台面
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Fri May 24 10:50:11 2013, 美东) 提到:
你若不是耗子，管你p事？
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 11:02:06 2013, 美东) 提到:
中场休息。该上厕所的上厕所，该找替补的找替补，该从新布置发贴纲要的从新布置，
等等。。
official
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 11:32:19 2013, 美东) 提到:
Well, what else do you expect? If a new investigation still does not lead
to charging Sun Wei, all of those who accuse her of the crime here would
claim it's only the result of political interference.
What do you think is easier for the officials in charge to do? Conduct an
objective investigation based solely on evidence, then face the fury of the
mob, or conduct a fake investigation with the aim of concluding Sun is
guilty so the mob will be happy with them?
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 11:40:12 2013, 美东) 提到:
为什么重启会冤判，是我不明白的
the
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 11:41:22 2013, 美东) 提到:
对不起，冒犯了你的肖像权
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 11:43:58 2013, 美东) 提到:
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 11:44:21 2013, 美东) 提到:
你这个逻辑对大妈们是无解。走进政治就是死结了。
the
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 11:44:23 2013, 美东) 提到:
这不是孙维发的。无间道发出来掀浪的。
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 11:44:51 2013, 美东) 提到:
for real?
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 11:50:18 2013, 美东) 提到:
如果聪明的话，她现在不应该出来冒泡。水都快退了她为啥现在出来呢？真的吃了铊？
而且还是在天涯，在她自己声明的跟贴上。我不是很理解这样的做法，如果我是孙维，
我会一直闷下去，除了网上又沒有其它于论攻击，何不无(维)而无不（维）呢？
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 12:00:08 2013, 美东) 提到:
Because at this point, the only chance of finding the killer is for that
person to come out and admit it. Trying to find clues from the evidence
gathered 20 years ago is very, very, very unlikely to even point the
investigation on the right track, much less proving anyone guilty.
The result of an objective investigation will most likely still reach a
conclusion of "not enough evidence to charge anyone". Then the mob's
conclusion will be "the new investigation was again interfered by political
power". They will still be angry, still think Sun is guilty, and again call
for another investigation. They won't stop until one of the investigation
conclude Sun is guilty.
So that the situation we are in right now, anyone conducting an honest
investigation will most likely to be accused of covering up for Sun, while
on the other hand, if they conduct a fake investigation just to conclude Sun
Wei is guilty, they would be hailed as heros for not bending to pressure.
Which route would you think China's officials are more likely to choose?
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:01:39 2013, 美东) 提到:
好像还是没有回答我的问题。我不是讨论能不能重启。我是问为什么重启一定会冤判？
political
call
investigation
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:02:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
maybe she wants attention, i don't know. Can you be sure about what you said?
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 12:12:20 2013, 美东) 提到:
质疑而已，任何人都可以扮演孙维。
said?
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 12:13:02 2013, 美东) 提到:
I don't know how I can explain it more clearly. Just re-read what I wrote.
Basically, the mobs will keep calling for more investigations until Sun is
concluded to be guilty in one of them. Any other conclusion will just
convince them Sun's family exerted more political influence. And since
there are really no real chance of finding any more evidence to prove
anything, the only way for any investigation to "prove" Sun Wei's guilt
would be to beat a confession out of her.
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:15:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
大众要的是重启而已。我认为可以接受公正审判下的无罪结果。这是我觉得的分歧所在
，为什么有人觉得重启就一定会冤判？？
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 12:20:08 2013, 美东) 提到:
如果案子要在几个月内结的话，你说的这种情况是不可能发生的。不信你在华人大妈那
里开一贴，说你接受可能的无罪判决，看会不会被骂
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:23:00 2013, 美东) 提到:
我在这里说了好多遍了，被骂次数目前为零。你貌似反应最大，所以问下你觉得会冤判
的可能大吗？
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 12:23:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
Mobs don't consider any investigation that can't conclude Sun Wei is guilty
as unbiased investigation. Because no evidence of interference is just
proof that the interference came from very high up, and everyone's scared to
talk about it.
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 12:24:02 2013, 美东) 提到:
你的贴呢？
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 12:27:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
（五）勒庞理论观点之五：心理群体的思维模式定律。
按照勒庞的观点，心理群体的思维模式的最基本特征是：1、表象化：心理群
体几乎不具备逻辑推理能力，也不接受任何逻辑思维方式的影响。这 一特征表现为“
肤浅”和表面化；2、形象化：心理群体具有极高的形象想象力，也极易接受形象思维
方式的影响。心理群体善于理解“图象化”的建议，并以此作 为自己的行动目标。
guilty
to
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 12:27:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
有心人推的就是这个效果
guilty
to
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:39:51 2013, 美东) 提到:
冤判的可能性大不大？
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 16:55:59 2013, 美东) 提到:
The problem with the past investigation is it's a black box. There is no
transparency. Since there are lots of corruption cases in china, naturally
people will think there is something fishy. There is prime suspect in this
case. People want to know what the police know and if there are other
suspects in the case.
A new investigation should be completely transparent to public with
independent counsel pointed by senior leadership. If Chinese central
government is serious about solving this crime and fighting corruption
charges, then it should establish a fair due process under the guideline of
rule of law. Only by doing so it will win in the court of public opinion.
the
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 17:33:30 2013, 美东) 提到:
Psychopathy
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 18:02:39 2013, 美东) 提到:
自己还挺会总结的。
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 18:11:09 2013, 美东) 提到:
Ta party is socially deprived so it's only natural....
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 19:29:18 2013, 美东) 提到:
bump
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Sat May 25 11:44:17 2013, 美东) 提到:
naturally
of
查案过程在案件结束以前根本就不可能公开透明，无论哪国都是如此。只要是在查到案
子，就必然是个黑匣子。你要求法庭审判公开透明可以，但是这个案子从来就没有到法
庭审判的地步。
公开所有警察证据的唯一结果就是这个案子永远没有重开的可能。因为凶手就能知道警
察知道什么了，自己有什么漏洞需要补救，线索离自己有多远。而且即便是以后有人自
首都不好证明这是真凶还是假冒。
所以说，凶手才是最希望证据公开的人。
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Sat May 25 12:00:24 2013, 美东) 提到:
“如果聪明的话”，LOL。这个假设前提需要证明
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Sat May 25 12:02:19 2013, 美东) 提到:
可是警方说zl案已经结案啊，结案了为什么还不能公布？
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Sat May 25 12:05:40 2013, 美东) 提到:
Who told you 查案过程在案件结束以前根本就不可能公开透明? If you said it's
China, maybe you have a good argument even though it doesn't mean this is
the right thing to do. But you went on to say 无论哪国都是如此, that is
bullshit. Many criminal cases are widely reported in the U.S media. As part
of the due process, prosecution also MUST share any evidence to the
defendant and the lawyer before the evidence can be admissible to the court.
We are asking why 这个案子从来就没有到法庭审判的地步 and what stopped it.
Based on the public info we already know, it seems police has enough
evidence and has a prime suspect. So the question is why not. Since the
police decided not to prosecute and concluded the case, then why not
disclose it to public? These are logical questions we will ask.
What is your reasoning behind 公开所有警察证据的唯一结果就是这个案子永远没有
重开的可能? In the U.S., prosecution must share the evidence to the
defendant before any evidence is presented to the court including judge and
jury.
You are full of bullshit and illogical arguments. Too many holes.
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Sat May 25 13:04:13 2013, 美东) 提到:
你是不想找真凶了，对吧？
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Sat May 25 13:32:56 2013, 美东) 提到:
You are the biggest SB on the forum....tops all other TA party members.
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Tue May 28 20:27:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
who has the latest?
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 31 10:54:01 2013, 美东) 提到:
Ta party new updates -
losing argument and face on Tianya and Mitbbs
jumping up and down and pulling hairs
manufacturing more "suspects" and fake stories
simply talking about something else to distract general public
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kayaka (jimm) 于 (Fri May 31 10:57:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林同学，九号楼在六号楼对面是吧？
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 31 23:38:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
我也刚想问函令姐。
yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 08:39:24 2013, 美东) 提到:
What is the latest? Anyone can give some updates? i.e. government official
statement, police's statement
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 08:47:11 2013, 美东) 提到:
bump
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kingdom009 (颠仆不能折) 于 (Fri May 24 08:52:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
好像孙维又在天涯出现了，说重启朱令案铊肯定被屈打成招，大谈司法独立。
我不会帖图，否则就移过来了
这恶妇可能精神有问题了。
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 09:00:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
Okay, she is f'ed up. that's we all know...What about the official words?
what is the media saying? what is the police saying? anything at all?
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:05:05 2013, 美东) 提到:
铊铊们感觉风向不对了
提前出来铺路了
大家得努力有效果了
加油哈。。。
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:08:49 2013, 美东) 提到:
@eredan 352315楼 2013-05-24 16:52:20
对了，孙屎眼，荷兰语的也来了。欧洲的媒体慢半拍，现在慢慢跟上了，哈哈
http://www.nrc.nl/longreads/2013/05/24/zhu-ling-weet-niet-dat-ze-al-18-jaar-een-veelbesproken-onderwerp-online-is/
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:13:34 2013, 美东) 提到:
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:15:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
official
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 09:18:28 2013, 美东) 提到:
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 09:29:30 2013, 美东) 提到:
Good cartoon....Who is the doctor in the picture?
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walksnow (动心忍性) 于 (Fri May 24 09:30:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
图片都很有料啊
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 09:42:10 2013, 美东) 提到:
这个爆料头一回听说，ZKSS吧
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:06:14 2013, 美东) 提到:
这话在我加入讨论的前期板上就有人说过。然后好像持这种说法的人跑了。变成双方都
大力支持重启了，所以我也不明白为什么我们不能统一。原来还是有人觉得重启一定会
冤判的啊？！
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:09:07 2013, 美东) 提到:
很好，你的小智商终于又上了一个数量级，有希望康复了。加油！
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Fri May 24 10:10:23 2013, 美东) 提到:
sw's mother
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sequel (暴力云) 于 (Fri May 24 10:12:53 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林早。
来，寒林给说说进展吧。
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:13:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
那只猫是谁？
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:14:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
去跳大坑吧，那个味道更适合你
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sealight (我挺艾未未，谭作人，赵连海等等维权人士) 于 (Fri May 24 10:15:44 2013, 美东) 提到:
那只是间歇性的， 很快又会往下掉了。
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sequel (暴力云) 于 (Fri May 24 10:18:12 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林不想让我在这玩了
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Fri May 24 10:19:03 2013, 美东) 提到:
反正不是你
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zaishishi (北欧华人) 于 (Fri May 24 10:19:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
第一次试着贴图，天涯下的，不知真伪，原帖里没找到。
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:20:14 2013, 美东) 提到:
哈，这么没头没脑的攻击还是第一次见。你和你男闺蜜还真是一对啊，讲话都那么没有
根据的呵。
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sequel (暴力云) 于 (Fri May 24 10:21:54 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林自己干蠢事暴露自己，居然还有脸跟别人谈智商。啧啧
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:22:04 2013, 美东) 提到:
掉不了，我有空就顶。难得有这个现智商的坑，没人跳可惜了
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:22:31 2013, 美东) 提到:
哈哈，患间歇的不正是裙主吗？怎么，又有意思出来骂网民了？
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:23:22 2013, 美东) 提到:
难道是你？
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:24:08 2013, 美东) 提到:
en，好像暗号没有对上啊。我拍个照。智商不智商的，你我讲没什么用。看者知道。
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:25:37 2013, 美东) 提到:
刚夸了你一句就不行了，sealight 还说対了
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zaishishi (北欧华人) 于 (Fri May 24 10:29:58 2013, 美东) 提到:
同意这个，对贝的质疑应该也是一步。
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:33:24 2013, 美东) 提到:
隔壁还等你回答为什么把自己划掉了呢。
你还在这儿搞攻击？
你俩的对我说辞没什么需要争辩的，反正铊集团揪着我打大家都看见了的。
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:34:34 2013, 美东) 提到:
早就有对贝的质疑了吧
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:35:32 2013, 美东) 提到:
还没看，你给总结一下吧，省得我费事爬楼
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 10:37:06 2013, 美东) 提到:
算你说对了一回，奖小红花一朵
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 10:37:51 2013, 美东) 提到:
不会吧。我们要知道，为什么划掉。。。
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 10:41:30 2013, 美东) 提到:
铊娘
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 10:43:21 2013, 美东) 提到:
铊孩呢？
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kingdom009 (颠仆不能折) 于 (Fri May 24 10:49:27 2013, 美东) 提到:
肯定不是你家自行车脸，你只是丫鬟，上不得台面
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Fri May 24 10:50:11 2013, 美东) 提到:
你若不是耗子，管你p事？
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 11:02:06 2013, 美东) 提到:
中场休息。该上厕所的上厕所，该找替补的找替补，该从新布置发贴纲要的从新布置，
等等。。
official
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 11:32:19 2013, 美东) 提到:
Well, what else do you expect? If a new investigation still does not lead
to charging Sun Wei, all of those who accuse her of the crime here would
claim it's only the result of political interference.
What do you think is easier for the officials in charge to do? Conduct an
objective investigation based solely on evidence, then face the fury of the
mob, or conduct a fake investigation with the aim of concluding Sun is
guilty so the mob will be happy with them?
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 11:40:12 2013, 美东) 提到:
为什么重启会冤判，是我不明白的
the
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 11:41:22 2013, 美东) 提到:
对不起，冒犯了你的肖像权
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lvus (lvus) 于 (Fri May 24 11:43:58 2013, 美东) 提到:
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 11:44:21 2013, 美东) 提到:
你这个逻辑对大妈们是无解。走进政治就是死结了。
the
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 11:44:23 2013, 美东) 提到:
这不是孙维发的。无间道发出来掀浪的。
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 11:44:51 2013, 美东) 提到:
for real?
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 11:50:18 2013, 美东) 提到:
如果聪明的话，她现在不应该出来冒泡。水都快退了她为啥现在出来呢？真的吃了铊？
而且还是在天涯，在她自己声明的跟贴上。我不是很理解这样的做法，如果我是孙维，
我会一直闷下去，除了网上又沒有其它于论攻击，何不无(维)而无不（维）呢？
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 12:00:08 2013, 美东) 提到:
Because at this point, the only chance of finding the killer is for that
person to come out and admit it. Trying to find clues from the evidence
gathered 20 years ago is very, very, very unlikely to even point the
investigation on the right track, much less proving anyone guilty.
The result of an objective investigation will most likely still reach a
conclusion of "not enough evidence to charge anyone". Then the mob's
conclusion will be "the new investigation was again interfered by political
power". They will still be angry, still think Sun is guilty, and again call
for another investigation. They won't stop until one of the investigation
conclude Sun is guilty.
So that the situation we are in right now, anyone conducting an honest
investigation will most likely to be accused of covering up for Sun, while
on the other hand, if they conduct a fake investigation just to conclude Sun
Wei is guilty, they would be hailed as heros for not bending to pressure.
Which route would you think China's officials are more likely to choose?
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:01:39 2013, 美东) 提到:
好像还是没有回答我的问题。我不是讨论能不能重启。我是问为什么重启一定会冤判？
political
call
investigation
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:02:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
maybe she wants attention, i don't know. Can you be sure about what you said?
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 12:12:20 2013, 美东) 提到:
质疑而已，任何人都可以扮演孙维。
said?
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 12:13:02 2013, 美东) 提到:
I don't know how I can explain it more clearly. Just re-read what I wrote.
Basically, the mobs will keep calling for more investigations until Sun is
concluded to be guilty in one of them. Any other conclusion will just
convince them Sun's family exerted more political influence. And since
there are really no real chance of finding any more evidence to prove
anything, the only way for any investigation to "prove" Sun Wei's guilt
would be to beat a confession out of her.
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:15:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
大众要的是重启而已。我认为可以接受公正审判下的无罪结果。这是我觉得的分歧所在
，为什么有人觉得重启就一定会冤判？？
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 12:20:08 2013, 美东) 提到:
如果案子要在几个月内结的话，你说的这种情况是不可能发生的。不信你在华人大妈那
里开一贴，说你接受可能的无罪判决，看会不会被骂
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:23:00 2013, 美东) 提到:
我在这里说了好多遍了，被骂次数目前为零。你貌似反应最大，所以问下你觉得会冤判
的可能大吗？
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Fri May 24 12:23:33 2013, 美东) 提到:
Mobs don't consider any investigation that can't conclude Sun Wei is guilty
as unbiased investigation. Because no evidence of interference is just
proof that the interference came from very high up, and everyone's scared to
talk about it.
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 12:24:02 2013, 美东) 提到:
你的贴呢？
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icbchsbc (爱存不存,还是不存) 于 (Fri May 24 12:27:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
（五）勒庞理论观点之五：心理群体的思维模式定律。
按照勒庞的观点，心理群体的思维模式的最基本特征是：1、表象化：心理群
体几乎不具备逻辑推理能力，也不接受任何逻辑思维方式的影响。这 一特征表现为“
肤浅”和表面化；2、形象化：心理群体具有极高的形象想象力，也极易接受形象思维
方式的影响。心理群体善于理解“图象化”的建议，并以此作 为自己的行动目标。
guilty
to
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 12:27:15 2013, 美东) 提到:
有心人推的就是这个效果
guilty
to
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 24 12:39:51 2013, 美东) 提到:
冤判的可能性大不大？
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 16:55:59 2013, 美东) 提到:
The problem with the past investigation is it's a black box. There is no
transparency. Since there are lots of corruption cases in china, naturally
people will think there is something fishy. There is prime suspect in this
case. People want to know what the police know and if there are other
suspects in the case.
A new investigation should be completely transparent to public with
independent counsel pointed by senior leadership. If Chinese central
government is serious about solving this crime and fighting corruption
charges, then it should establish a fair due process under the guideline of
rule of law. Only by doing so it will win in the court of public opinion.
the
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 17:33:30 2013, 美东) 提到:
Psychopathy
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vix (do the noodle dance) 于 (Fri May 24 18:02:39 2013, 美东) 提到:
自己还挺会总结的。
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 18:11:09 2013, 美东) 提到:
Ta party is socially deprived so it's only natural....
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 24 19:29:18 2013, 美东) 提到:
bump
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Sat May 25 11:44:17 2013, 美东) 提到:
naturally
of
查案过程在案件结束以前根本就不可能公开透明，无论哪国都是如此。只要是在查到案
子，就必然是个黑匣子。你要求法庭审判公开透明可以，但是这个案子从来就没有到法
庭审判的地步。
公开所有警察证据的唯一结果就是这个案子永远没有重开的可能。因为凶手就能知道警
察知道什么了，自己有什么漏洞需要补救，线索离自己有多远。而且即便是以后有人自
首都不好证明这是真凶还是假冒。
所以说，凶手才是最希望证据公开的人。
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Sat May 25 12:00:24 2013, 美东) 提到:
“如果聪明的话”，LOL。这个假设前提需要证明
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happyforu (快乐的鸡蛋黄) 于 (Sat May 25 12:02:19 2013, 美东) 提到:
可是警方说zl案已经结案啊，结案了为什么还不能公布？
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Sat May 25 12:05:40 2013, 美东) 提到:
Who told you 查案过程在案件结束以前根本就不可能公开透明? If you said it's
China, maybe you have a good argument even though it doesn't mean this is
the right thing to do. But you went on to say 无论哪国都是如此, that is
bullshit. Many criminal cases are widely reported in the U.S media. As part
of the due process, prosecution also MUST share any evidence to the
defendant and the lawyer before the evidence can be admissible to the court.
We are asking why 这个案子从来就没有到法庭审判的地步 and what stopped it.
Based on the public info we already know, it seems police has enough
evidence and has a prime suspect. So the question is why not. Since the
police decided not to prosecute and concluded the case, then why not
disclose it to public? These are logical questions we will ask.
What is your reasoning behind 公开所有警察证据的唯一结果就是这个案子永远没有
重开的可能? In the U.S., prosecution must share the evidence to the
defendant before any evidence is presented to the court including judge and
jury.
You are full of bullshit and illogical arguments. Too many holes.
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xuansu (xsu) 于 (Sat May 25 13:04:13 2013, 美东) 提到:
你是不想找真凶了，对吧？
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Sat May 25 13:32:56 2013, 美东) 提到:
You are the biggest SB on the forum....tops all other TA party members.
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Tue May 28 20:27:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
who has the latest?
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yariguy (yari guy) 于 (Fri May 31 10:54:01 2013, 美东) 提到:
Ta party new updates -
losing argument and face on Tianya and Mitbbs
jumping up and down and pulling hairs
manufacturing more "suspects" and fake stories
simply talking about something else to distract general public
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kayaka (jimm) 于 (Fri May 31 10:57:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
寒林同学，九号楼在六号楼对面是吧？
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CleverBeaver (我不是Otter) 于 (Fri May 31 23:38:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
我也刚想问函令姐。