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大家有没觉得美国很多人做的工作都是overpay了？

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c*u2014-05-31 07:05

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我感觉很多职业，跟在中国的同行比，行业技能和效率都差不少，而工资却是比国内高
很多，随着世界经济格局变化，这种好日子会不会一去不回？

P*52014-05-31 07:05

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是国内被underpay，特别民工们。
根据马克思的理论，国内工人被资本家拿走的更多的剩余价值。

X*i2014-05-31 07:05

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2014/03/03/the-worlds-h
There are now 46 billionaires in the world who have derived most of their
wealth from managing hedge funds. These hedge fund billionaires have made
their fortunes by trading everything from stocks to bonds, options,
currencies, mortgages and derivatives in financial markets. The money making
machines of these hedge fund billionaires, however, have also been fueled
by the rich fees they charge their investors.
There are six hedge fund managers joining the ranks of the world’s
billionaires. Michael Platt spent nearly a decade at JP Morgan before
cofounding BlueCrest Capital Management in late 2000. The firm, which is
based in London and Geneva, has amassed $35 billion in assets under
management, making it one of Europe’s biggest hedge fund firms. Platt
bought the stakes of his partners in BlueCrest, including minority owner Man
Group , in 2011. His funds did not perform very well last year, but he is
now worth $3.6 billion. Other new hedge fund billionaires include Francis
Biondi and Brian Higgins, cofounders of King Street Capital Management, and
Christopher Hohn, who runs The Children’s Investment Fund Management, a
London-based activist hedge fund.
Larry Robbins, founder of $7.5 billion New York hedge fund firm Glenview
Capital Management, has been a top performing hedge fund manager in recent
years. Robbins’ successful bet in 2013 was investing in hospital stocks he
thought would benefit from Obamacare. But he was also generally bullish in
2013, leveraging his stock portfolio to increase his returns. His Glenview
Opportunities Fund posted net returns of some 100% in 2013, helping to make
Robbins a billionaire. Robbins, who is 44 and founded his hedge fund firm in
2001, is now worth $1.4 billion. Another closely-watched hedge fund manager
who is now a billionaire: Robert Citrone, who is worth $1.1 billion. His
Discovery Capital Management hedge fund firm, based in South Norwalk, Ct.,
manages $15 billion. A macro manager who specializes in emerging markets,
Citrone is a so-called Tiger Cub who used to work for Julian Robertson.
Citrone stared out at Fidelity Investments and founded Discovery Capital
Management in 1999.
For now, the net worth of Steve Cohen, one of the most successful and
controversial hedge fund managers ever, has peaked at $11 billion. His SAC
Capital Advisors hedge fund firm pleaded guilty to criminal insider trading
charges in 2013 and agreed to pay $1.8 billion in fines and penalties to the
federal government. As of the end of February, the $1.8 billion of fines
and penalties remained tied up in court proceedings and had not yet been
paid to the federal government, leaving Cohen’s net worth inflated.
Meanwhile, Cohen has moved to return billions of dollars to outside
investors and convert SAC Capital, which is based in Stamford, Ct., into a
family office. Nevertheless, Cohen has continued to do what he does best,
make profitable trades and earn lots of money. SAC Capital knocked out net
returns of about 19% in 2013. That was not as good as what the U.S. stock
market returned, but it beat most other hedge fund managers.
The estimated net worth of the world’s richest hedge fund manager, George
Soros, is now $23 billion. At 83, Soros remains chairman of Soros Fund
Management, the $29 billion family office that manages his personal fortune
as well as the money belonging to his foundations. He is not overseeing day-
to-day operations, but Soros remains involved. He personally earned an
estimated $4 billion in 2013 as Soros Fund Management returned more than 22%.
Ray Dalio currently runs the world’s biggest hedge fund firm, Bridgewater
Associates, with about $150 billion in assets. He founded Bridgewater in his
Manhattan apartment in 1975. Dalio’s net worth is an estimated $14.4
billion. But the last two years have been a challenging time for Dalio. His
funds have not performed very well recently—his All Weather fund lost 4% in
2013 and his Pure Alpha fund has trailed the U.S. stock market and most
other hedge funds over the last two years. At least the recent
underperformance has not diminished Bridgewater’s popularity or esteem with
the investment community, but his effort to build a new $750 million
headquarters in Stamford, Ct., appears to have stalled over zoning issues.
If Dalio needs any further inspiration about shaking off a rough patch, he
can look to John Paulson, whose hedge funds came roaring back in 2013 after
some tough years. Paulson is worth $13.5 billion.
James Simons is arguably the greatest hedge fund manager ever. The
quantitative trader’s net worth currently stands at $12.5 billion. The math
whiz and code breaker retired from his $25 billion hedge fund firm,
Renaissance Technologies, in 2010, but he continues to play a role at the
firm and benefit from its funds. Will anyone ever match Simon’s career
track record? Maybe not, but one man is giving it his best shot. David
Tepper has been knocking out incredibly strong returns ever since he founded
his Appaloosa Management hedge fund firm in 1993. Over the last five years,
Tepper has raised his game with his main hedge fund generating annualized
net returns of nearly 40% and gross returns of some 50%. That performance
has boosted Tepper’s net worth to a $10 billion.

【在 c********u 的大作中提到】

: 我感觉很多职业，跟在中国的同行比，行业技能和效率都差不少，而工资却是比国内高
: 很多，随着世界经济格局变化，这种好日子会不会一去不回？

v*n2014-05-31 07:05

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只要美国还需要签证，只要美国还掌握着波音，intel，f-35等世界顶尖技术，这种日
子就不会结束。
同样一碗面，北京20元，贵州县城一碗面5元。中国的左宗棠鸡10元，法国的左宗棠鸡
要10欧元，为什么差别这么大？是一个道理，顶尖行业（金融、IT，军事）的垄断提高
了其他
行业的价格。

【在 c********u 的大作中提到】

: 我感觉很多职业，跟在中国的同行比，行业技能和效率都差不少，而工资却是比国内高
: 很多，随着世界经济格局变化，这种好日子会不会一去不回？

m*t2014-05-31 07:05

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还有觉得overpay的？雇佣你的人，赚了多少，知道吗？别瞎操心了，多了解规则。能
给你这么多，你创造的价值比这个多多了，不然不会给你。

【在 v*********n 的大作中提到】

: 只要美国还需要签证，只要美国还掌握着波音，intel，f-35等世界顶尖技术，这种日
: 子就不会结束。
: 同样一碗面，北京20元，贵州县城一碗面5元。中国的左宗棠鸡10元，法国的左宗棠鸡
: 要10欧元，为什么差别这么大？是一个道理，顶尖行业（金融、IT，军事）的垄断提高
: 了其他
: 行业的价格。

s*t2014-05-31 07:05

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最overpay的就是TMD福利渣滓们。

X*i2014-05-31 07:05

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老中对福利有个错误的概念，所以结论也错。
例如，觉得粮食票才是福利，无业补助才是福利。
认为高薪的，尤其是特高薪的都是自食其力。
举个例，联储局供养高薪的经济学博士300多人。
这些人要不是自己族裔头头提供好缺，就得失业。
所以他们实际是最高福利阶级，轻松看报喝咖啡。
他们一个高薪福利，可以供养20到30个无业穷人。
联储里自己族裔的人互相提拔吹捧，高薪变成Tenure。
这些人才是养尊处优，不成比例的插吸纳税人的钱。
这些人主要是帮联储和花街优化自己族裔的财富。
这些吃高薪福利的博士真正有本领不是吃闲饭福利？
几百人每天专精搞非常狭窄领域的研究实际结果如何？
原来全是无用错误的烂东西，只能用来忽悠屁民。
看看下面的文章就能看出实际真相：
http://bloom.bg/1pKgSpX
所以老中别叮着穷人乞丐不放，恨人家吃福利。
仇视穷人吃残羹剩饭，但无视数量级更狠的插管吸血。
我没空揭发废物政客，金融财阀，CEO里的类似例子。
但上面的文章已给予足够启迪，自己去思考观察吧！

【在 s********t 的大作中提到】

: 最overpay的就是TMD福利渣滓们。