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story telling series# Accounting - 会计审计

s*b2013-04-04 07:04

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【以下文字转载自 Visa 讨论区】
发信人: swatchucb (windy boy), 信区: Visa
标题: 求教，父亲赴美探亲签证，DS157里是否要注明他的当兵经历？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 29 18:22:20 2010, 美东)
DS157的15项，是否该如实填写父亲的兵役经历？是否要所有的details？（老爸曾从陆
军转到海军）
只是想知道照实填写会不会有影响？多谢多谢

l*e2013-04-04 07:04

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有需要的可以 email联系
或者email b******[email protected]

C*e2013-04-04 07:04

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有类似于绿卡那样的必须一年内有半年在美国吗？或者说拿了AP去中国，多长时间必须
回来？谢谢。

b*p2013-04-04 07:04

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你最近不说话
怎麽了为什麽
是不是有什麽事让你不快乐
听说你最近很孤单
有点乱有点慌
可是我却不能够在你的身旁
你想要的
我却不能够给你我全部
我能给的
却又不是你想要拥有的
我们不适合也不想认输
好几次我们抱着彼此都是想要哭
你常解释这样的一切都只是开始
我觉得是所有的一切早就已结束
不想再约束
不要再痛苦
下一次会有更好的情路
爱我却不能给你我全部
我能给的
却又不是你想要拥有的
我们不适合也不想认输
好几次我们抱着彼此都是想要哭
你常解释这样的一切都只是开始
我觉得是所有的一切早就已结束
不想再约束
不要再痛苦
下一次会有更好的情路
这一次我们都能很幸福

m*12013-04-04 07:04

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Ok, I know I might scared (if not scared away) a lot CPAs here. You may feel
like I’m too judgmental and some may even feel humiliated for the way I
talk. Actually, if you have chance to deal with me (career or personal), I’
m confident you will have a pleasant, if not highly pleasant, experience
except for the initial brain storm process. From the bottom of my heart, I
never want to hurt anybody (especially lady’s) feeling, unfortunately, I
did it sometimes and I apologize sincerely for the hurting. Let me tell you
a story to make it up.
I still remember one day when I was working in my prior company, one of my
new direct report, who has 15+ years’ experience and strong relation with
CFO, cried so bad when we were in a private meeting room. I was totally
shocked (actually I was very scared). Below is the brief of the scenario:
I waited 15 minutes (actually to calm myself down) and let her cry. Then I
asked her (pretended calmly) why?
She said why you hate me?
I said I don’t.
She said you are.
I said why?
She said why you hate me?
I knew I had to break this cycle (otherwise it will repeat forever). So I
calm down myself even more and tell her I’m sorry to hurt your feeling,
could you tell me what happens in detail so I know what I can do to make you
feel better.
Then she said I make her feel stupid when I was training her,
I said ok (still don’t know what to say)
She said I’m so bad at training
I said ok (still don’t know what to say)
She said I trained her 5 times on XXX (a tiny little part of a system which
I designed to use SQL to pull GL from JD Edwards, Access to do the
calculation, Hyperion to do the financial reporting, and Excel (mainly
pivotable) to do the report and presentation) and she still can’t process
by herself, this system sucks (actually this is the system to support the
financial statement portion in S, Qs & Ks and annual audit)
I said ok (still don’t know what to say)
She said I was hiding something in the training just to humiliate her.
I said I’m sorry, (still don’t know what to say), and?
She said she was just talking to her husband on something really important,
she only talk for 5 minutes, why I stare at her angrily?
(I was very confused and really shocked; start to think my job security
61514;, still don’t know what to say)
She said why I joke all the time but looks so serious when she was talking
to her husband.
(I was even more confused but a little bit less worried, still don’t know
what to say)
She said she hate the way I stared at her, even not looking straight at her
but give her white eyes. She said she hated it so bad.
(Aha, finally I knew how to break the ice) I said calmly: do you think I’m
staring at you, or staring at ceiling?
She said of course you are staring at me, why you stare at ceiling.
I said I knew I’m scary, ceiling is the only place I can look :).
She stopped crying and silence.
I said actually I just had a bad habit to look at ceiling when I was
thinking.
(She is still silence)
I said why I looks so serious then? …. I said I like to joke around, but I
need to be serious to my work, right?
(She is still not convinced)
Then I said, I had serious shortsightedness since I was kid. I did LASIK a
few years ago, this is why my eyes look a little bit deeper than normal (
this is too personal talk in the office). I’m assuming you are saying I
have DEEP eyes, thanks for the compliment.
(I knew I should close this meeting quickly, too stressful)
I said, don’t feel bad about your progress, I had a lot more pressure than
you, I will find a way to make the process a little bit easier.
(then I grab a notepad and went outside for at least half hour, what a drama
!)
…
…
For a long time, I knew there is always a pair of eyes on me, I just knew it
’s not from someone looking for an intimate relation :).
…
…
We got along well and form a solid work relation
…
…
I helped her to get her first promotion in the company and she played an
important role for my second promotion in the company
…
…
Still being good friend and her reference.
…
…
…
…
Hopefully the story can make your day a little bit better.

a*l2013-04-04 07:04

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ap is only valid for one year. So how long do you think you can stay? Enter
US with an expired ap?

【在 C******e 的大作中提到】

: 有类似于绿卡那样的必须一年内有半年在美国吗？或者说拿了AP去中国，多长时间必须
: 回来？谢谢。

j*e2013-04-04 07:04

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唱得饱含深情啊
赞

【在 b******p 的大作中提到】

: 你最近不说话
: 怎麽了为什麽
: 是不是有什麽事让你不快乐
: 听说你最近很孤单
: 有点乱有点慌
: 可是我却不能够在你的身旁
: 你想要的
: 我却不能够给你我全部
: 我能给的
: 却又不是你想要拥有的

B*92013-04-04 07:04

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You do feel she is stupid or not as smart as you.

d*u2013-04-04 07:04

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你仔细看AP那张纸，上面说了不能超过180天，超过了，就可能被拒绝入境。

p*y2013-04-04 07:04

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re楼上的

【在 b******p 的大作中提到】

t*g2013-04-04 07:04

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英语水平有待提高

C*e2013-04-04 07:04

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仔细看了，说的是如果以前在美国非法居住180天以上的，有可能AP入境被拒。谢谢提
醒。

K*y2013-04-04 07:04

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m*12013-04-04 07:04

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You are absolutely right, I need to check my work before release. If I'm too
busy, I need to pay my 2nd grader to help me proofread it first. Thanks
again to point this out.
Most people think I was telling a gossip but actually this is one of my
proudest moments in my career. It’s being rated a classic case of crisis
management and team building in the company; also destroy the perception “
Asian don’t know management” in the company, especially in CFO’s mind.
If you want to read the story again, you will find I used at least 5
technics in this drama case, how many can you find?
BTW, as to the lady mentioned in the story, she is a smart lady for sure. I
thought I made it clear in my last 4 paragraph.

c*t2013-04-04 07:04

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re啊re，很深情很有感觉的

【在 j***e 的大作中提到】

: 唱得饱含深情啊
: 赞

t*r2013-04-04 07:04

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纯粹是为了膜拜LZ的英文来码一发。。。精神可嘉。。

h*n2013-04-04 07:04

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瞥了一眼，这么长的英文好像在说管人的事？LZ是不是个成功人士？好像绿卡还没有就
是个高级管理人员了？真了不起！

【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】

: 纯粹是为了膜拜LZ的英文来码一发。。。精神可嘉。。

w*i2013-04-04 07:04

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英语的知音体不好写...

英语水平有待提高

【在 t*****g 的大作中提到】

: 英语水平有待提高

P*e2013-04-04 07:04

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Let me try to analyze your communication skills used in this story:
Give full physical attention to the speaker, pay attention to the words and
feelings, and reflective listening skills;
Using humor, disclose a private information to make the discussion more
personable; maker her comfortable to talk to you.
I don’t know other technical point in your communication. Hope more people
join the discussion to shed some lights.
By the way, I think most of our written English has some errors at the first
draft. My emails need at least two proofreading to clear some minor errors.
In casual writing like here, it’s ok for us to have some minor errors. Or
else, it’s too time consuming. Just my two cents.

y*e2013-04-04 07:04

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你是真的喜欢翻白眼还是安抚她情绪的

【在 m******1 的大作中提到】

: Ok, I know I might scared (if not scared away) a lot CPAs here. You may feel
: like I’m too judgmental and some may even feel humiliated for the way I
: talk. Actually, if you have chance to deal with me (career or personal), I’
: m confident you will have a pleasant, if not highly pleasant, experience
: except for the initial brain storm process. From the bottom of my heart, I
: never want to hurt anybody (especially lady’s) feeling, unfortunately, I
: did it sometimes and I apologize sincerely for the hurting. Let me tell you
: a story to make it up.
: I still remember one day when I was working in my prior company, one of my
: new direct report, who has 15+ years’ experience and strong relation with

m*o2013-04-04 07:04

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耐着性子看完了，虽然每个单词都认得我，可我却不知所云。看来
我比较愚笨，阅读理解英文知音体的水平有待提高。

【在 w*********i 的大作中提到】

: 英语的知音体不好写...
:
: 英语水平有待提高

m*12013-04-04 07:04

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Let me explain the techniques used in this story if you don't mind.
As I repeated said in my prior posts, your chance of success is mostly
decided by strategy and planning, I also call it 60-30-10 theory. I will do
my same routine.
Strategy:
Conflict is an inevitable part of everybody's career. I really like an old
Chinese saying "人在江湖走，哪有不挨刀“。 The only difference between me
and most of you? I had experienced too much and get numb to this BS.:)
Job is the bread and butter to all people and their families. So in no
scenario should you jeopardize anybody's job security unless you can get
whole company align with you, which is always a very challenge task. So
correct attitude should always be "win-win in normal work life and no harm-
no harm in conflicts" ( this as my top networking principle from day one I
started my career, I read a lot post here talking about raise, bonus,
promotion, job change & etc. Unfortunately, the starting point is not
correct and the only reason being able to achieve goal is L-U-C-K. Will
address this in a separate article)
In addition, if you are dealing with an extremely angry lady, how can you
win the argument?
So the strategy (goal) I used in the battle is to limit my loss (downplaying
the conflicts), bring both sides to an acceptable common grounds, and pull
out this drama as soon as possible (you are always a loser to fight in the
office, the longer it last, the worse you are)
Techniques:
1. Research. I did my research way before this drama and knew exactly what's
in this lady's mind. Just like a lot CPAs here stuck in senior/lead level,
there are a lot Americans have the same fate and same, if not better,
skillset. All they need is an opportunity to prove themselves. The lady
dumped a lot time on the CFO and finally she got this opportunity. Both CFO
and herself have high expectation of her performance in the company. I had
read this already and I had tried my best to train her before the drama (
train 5 times is unusual, right?). Unfortunately, things not always go as
planned.
2. Silence: keep silence is the best way to stop loss if you are already in
(deep) loss. Everybody do things for a reason even sometimes you might make
mistakes or hurt somebody’s interest. After you did your part (apologize
and explain), your body language to keep silence is to say “now I’m
listening and I’m giving you my full respect and attention, I’m expecting
same thing from you later”. Keeping silence will help you to corner your
counter party to listen and he has to defend for you if he wants to continue
talking his case. A perfect way to contain/downplay the major conflicts and
setup a tone for reconciliation. There is an old Chinese saying just for
that: 沉默是金. Have to worship forefathers’ wisdom.
3. Find the right topics to tackle: after containing/downplaying the
conflict, the next step is to find the right starting point to reconcile. If
you can’t achieve no-harm, try to achieve (don’t force) less harm. Start
with a tiny gray area easy to defend and ideally, do no harm to both sides (
staring part in the story). Stay focus to send out clearly the following
messages in this reconciliation session: A) I’m willing to reconcile, B)
just like the gray area, I’m positive the whole thing is reconcilable. How
about you? As to other main topics, briefly discuss them and ideally just
set up an appointment for next meeting.
4. Cheap shot myself: I like to cheap shot myself in the office. First of
all, cheap shot myself is a good way to show good sense of humor and also
demonstrate my humble personality. As in the drama, it also helps to show my
respect to my counter party. Politely threaten counterparty (cheap shot
come from grass root class who like to play dirty) is another benefit.
5. Pull out from drama/conflicts as soon as possible: as I said earlier, the
longer you stay in drama/conflicts, the more loss to you. Get out quickly
if you can.
This is the 5 techniques you should be able to find in my original post. If
you read a little bit harder, you probably can find out some more tactics
used in this drama.
I knew I probably didn’t give out enough information to below one, but this
is the one I’m really proud of.
6. Team up with “enemy/foes” in the office if you found common interest.
You get the credit for the project itself and bonus for working with tough
people. Even project don’t goes well, you still earns credit for willing to
work with everybody, including tough people. Always a winner!
As to this case, everybody knew she struggle so bad and I’m pretty sure she
complained a lot to the CFO at the beginning, set up a perfect stage to
demonstrate my ability to work with tough people, superior training and
management skills and outstanding technical backgrounds. Later I carefully
planned her work to ensure she can survive, always highlighted her progress
and contribution to the whole company. Why I do that? Every time I praised
her, basically I slapped her face, robbed her credit, get appreciated by the
whole company including herself and CFO (CFO bring her in). In addition,
besides cornered her to work very hard for me and willing to stay under my
shadow, she was cornered to be a marketing machine exclusive for me on
everything I can think of: my technical skills, establishing authority, my
team building skills, training skills, managerial skills and anything I can
think of.
Later, considered her significant value to me, I worked with my team to earn
her a promotion, which was her ultimate goal to join the company, to take
my old position; as a result, I got my promotion so I can always cover her
back. :)
I wouldn't lie to say I set it up to trap her in the first place, but I read
her situation quickly after the drama. After finding her tremendous value
to me, I planned every step afterward.
I always miss her awesome job as marketing machine, from day one she
reported to me.

and
people
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errors.
Or

【在 P******e 的大作中提到】

: Let me try to analyze your communication skills used in this story:
: Give full physical attention to the speaker, pay attention to the words and
: feelings, and reflective listening skills;
: Using humor, disclose a private information to make the discussion more
: personable; maker her comfortable to talk to you.
: I don’t know other technical point in your communication. Hope more people
: join the discussion to shed some lights.
: By the way, I think most of our written English has some errors at the first
: draft. My emails need at least two proofreading to clear some minor errors.
: In casual writing like here, it’s ok for us to have some minor errors. Or

a*h2013-04-04 07:04

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牛人!mark了,慢慢学

do

【在 m******1 的大作中提到】

: Let me explain the techniques used in this story if you don't mind.
: As I repeated said in my prior posts, your chance of success is mostly
: decided by strategy and planning, I also call it 60-30-10 theory. I will do
: my same routine.
: Strategy:
: Conflict is an inevitable part of everybody's career. I really like an old
: Chinese saying "人在江湖走，哪有不挨刀“。 The only difference between me
: and most of you? I had experienced too much and get numb to this BS.:)
: Job is the bread and butter to all people and their families. So in no
: scenario should you jeopardize anybody's job security unless you can get