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d*12016-12-18 08:12

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对于广大北方屌丝 3w otd 找一个比带eyesight的2.5 premium outback更好的高地盘
四驱选择来?
关键字北方高地盘四驱空间大安全实用的五座新suv或者wagon 3w otd
我知道下面肯定有人说ford edge/小妾/传说中$29999的乞丐版大切/各种二手suv
我也知道outback缺点也不少:
1) 油漆确实薄一碰一个印子
2) 2.5+cvt动力很一般
3) <50迈比较安静超过60迈风燥比较大
4)box engine长期可靠性 (大于五年)一般般
但是无奈竞争对手更渣渣啊上面这些车连被你们黑成这样的outback都比不过
LOL

m*r2016-12-18 08:12

2 楼

Pilot LX AWD?
CRV exl or touring?

【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】

: 对于广大北方屌丝 3w otd 找一个比带eyesight的2.5 premium outback更好的高地盘
: 四驱选择来?
: 关键字北方高地盘四驱空间大安全实用的五座新suv或者wagon 3w otd
: 我知道下面肯定有人说ford edge/小妾/传说中$29999的乞丐版大切/各种二手suv
: 我也知道outback缺点也不少:
: 1) 油漆确实薄一碰一个印子
: 2) 2.5+cvt动力很一般
: 3) <50迈比较安静超过60迈风燥比较大
: 4)box engine长期可靠性 (大于五年)一般般
: 但是无奈竞争对手更渣渣啊上面这些车连被你们黑成这样的outback都比不过

d*12016-12-18 08:12

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Pilot LX AWD 确实综合比2.5 outback强不过第一3w能出门么第二有的人不需要三排
CRV就算了了只有小二认为这车不光可靠性比outback全方面都强

【在 m*********r 的大作中提到】

: Pilot LX AWD?
: CRV exl or touring?

b*12016-12-18 08:12

4 楼

你找个能和forester XT比较的？

【在 m*********r 的大作中提到】

: Pilot LX AWD?
: CRV exl or touring?

f*l2016-12-18 08:12

5 楼

FXT就是加高版的WRX呀～

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: 你找个能和forester XT比较的？

b*12016-12-18 08:12

6 楼

Compact suv 不都是加高么？
3万以下
Compact suv和 compact sedan/hatchback 里性价比没有能媲美 FXT和WRX的吧。无
论从性能四驱驾驶感

【在 f****l 的大作中提到】

: FXT就是加高版的WRX呀～

i*e2016-12-18 08:12

7 楼

同样价钱买个四驱高配frontier，比这CVT娘炮强多了

【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】

f*l2016-12-18 08:12

8 楼

你自己买卡车了么？

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: 同样价钱买个四驱高配frontier，比这CVT娘炮强多了

b*12016-12-18 08:12

9 楼

来个Link
我瞧瞧

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: 同样价钱买个四驱高配frontier，比这CVT娘炮强多了

z*s2016-12-18 08:12

10 楼

Misubishi outlander
Nisan pathfinder
Nisan Rogue
是否可以和 Subaru outback一拼？听说2017 Nisan pathfinder不错。

【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】

V*32016-12-18 08:12

11 楼

这仨都没人拿来跟OB比的，呵呵

【在 z***s 的大作中提到】

: Misubishi outlander
: Nisan pathfinder
: Nisan Rogue
: 是否可以和 Subaru outback一拼？听说2017 Nisan pathfinder不错。

i*e2016-12-18 08:12

12 楼

发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到
泥丧水平，不知谁会花3万多买这个绣花枕头，再加四千块就上XC60了

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】

: 这仨都没人拿来跟OB比的，呵呵

s*k2016-12-18 08:12

13 楼

pathfinder 贵不少

【在 z***s 的大作中提到】

: Misubishi outlander
: Nisan pathfinder
: Nisan Rogue
: 是否可以和 Subaru outback一拼？听说2017 Nisan pathfinder不错。

s*k2016-12-18 08:12

14 楼

outback的标配就有AWD，cross bar, VDC.
在北方，这车性价比真是无敌

【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】

V*32016-12-18 08:12

15 楼

XC60要是把车身加大一号绝对会成为小家庭非三排坐SUV首选
现在的太小了

发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: 发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到
: 泥丧水平，不知谁会花3万多买这个绣花枕头，再加四千块就上XC60了

b*12016-12-18 08:12

16 楼

你是典型的保皇派
subaru的新CVT有什么缺点？

发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: 发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到
: 泥丧水平，不知谁会花3万多买这个绣花枕头，再加四千块就上XC60了

r*o2016-12-18 08:12

17 楼

fxt和H6的cvt都是高扭矩钢带版本的还不错，关键是价格偏高，加点钱可以上xc60乞丐
版了

j*n2016-12-18 08:12

18 楼

XC60是好车，但是和OB比较起来空间要小很多，实在是不宽敞

【在 r**o 的大作中提到】

: fxt和H6的cvt都是高扭矩钢带版本的还不错，关键是价格偏高，加点钱可以上xc60乞丐
: 版了

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

19 楼

cvt一般都撑不了十年吧

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: 你是典型的保皇派
: subaru的新CVT有什么缺点？
:
: 发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到

b*12016-12-18 08:12

20 楼

你从哪得出的结论？
别说又是拍脑袋拍出来的！
要不我也可以说9at撑不了10年

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: cvt一般都撑不了十年吧

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

21 楼

time will tell, let's see. CVTs are too young a technology in automotive

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: 你从哪得出的结论？
: 别说又是拍脑袋拍出来的！
: 要不我也可以说9at撑不了10年

f*t2016-12-18 08:12

22 楼

9AT AAMCO会修，CVT只有敌乐会修，CVT的问题不光在于不耐用，还在于十年后能否以
满意的价格找到接盘侠，没人是傻子。

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: time will tell, let's see. CVTs are too young a technology in automotive

b*12016-12-18 08:12

23 楼

That's right, time will prove
It is still too early to reach a conclusion on this point
You made a point base on it too young ?
What about 9at? Which is younger?

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: time will tell, let's see. CVTs are too young a technology in automotive

b*12016-12-18 08:12

24 楼

除非你自己懂车，否则你会碰一辆power train 被动过的？
至于Subaru CVT 耐用不耐用，不是你小嘴bia bia bia 就能下结论的

【在 f****t 的大作中提到】

: 9AT AAMCO会修，CVT只有敌乐会修，CVT的问题不光在于不耐用，还在于十年后能否以
: 满意的价格找到接盘侠，没人是傻子。

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

25 楼

9at based on same principle of 4at and 6at. CVTS is all new technology used
mostly on cheap cars

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: That's right, time will prove
: It is still too early to reach a conclusion on this point
: You made a point base on it too young ?
: What about 9at? Which is younger?

b*12016-12-18 08:12

26 楼

Google yourself to check CVT history。
heard a lot bad reviews about 9at from this forums
Have you heard any complain about Subaru CVT?

used

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: 9at based on same principle of 4at and 6at. CVTS is all new technology used
: mostly on cheap cars

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

27 楼

it does have a long history but only used massively in real world in the
last 10years. Compare to "at" too young.

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: Google yourself to check CVT history。
: heard a lot bad reviews about 9at from this forums
: Have you heard any complain about Subaru CVT?
:
: used

f*l2016-12-18 08:12

28 楼

无脑黑们真是可笑，你怎么不谈谈低端DSG呢？那可是要多烂有多烂

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: it does have a long history but only used massively in real world in the
: last 10years. Compare to "at" too young.

b*12016-12-18 08:12

29 楼

I'm not arguing the definition of too young with you.
My point is easy and clear!
Don't """""""jump"""""""to conclusions

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: it does have a long history but only used massively in real world in the
: last 10years. Compare to "at" too young.

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

30 楼

ok. if CVT does have better reliability and performance than AT. Why Honda
doesn't put it on Acura, Nissan doesn't put it on infinite, not many bba
brand car use them? Because the answer is opposite. Because it is too young
to rely on. The most advantage CVT
has is lower budget and better mpg. You don't agree?

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: I'm not arguing the definition of too young with you.
: My point is easy and clear!
: Don't """""""jump"""""""to conclusions

b*12016-12-18 08:12

31 楼

First, I'm not talking about how good Subaru CVT is.
For me, compare AT to CVT ,it's more like compare inline 6 to turbo 4. Hope
you understand
Google yourself again about infinite , they do use CVT, even on their big
car. LOL
CVT has more efficiency than AT in low end market,
Don't you agree?

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: ok. if CVT does have better reliability and performance than AT. Why Honda
: doesn't put it on Acura, Nissan doesn't put it on infinite, not many bba
: brand car use them? Because the answer is opposite. Because it is too young
: to rely on. The most advantage CVT
: has is lower budget and better mpg. You don't agree?

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

32 楼

the only car Infiniti use is QX60 which has a lot of complains. I agree
they do have better mpg, but think about their disadvantages, AT is a much
better option as TODAY.

Hope

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: First, I'm not talking about how good Subaru CVT is.
: For me, compare AT to CVT ,it's more like compare inline 6 to turbo 4. Hope
: you understand
: Google yourself again about infinite , they do use CVT, even on their big
: car. LOL
: CVT has more efficiency than AT in low end market,
: Don't you agree?

b*12016-12-18 08:12

33 楼

Honda Toyota Nissan , reliability > performance
Acura. Lexus. Infinity performance > reliability
Look at them, they just prove CVT is a good choice

ok. if CVT does have better reliability and performance than AT. Why
Honda
young

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

g*n2016-12-18 08:12

34 楼

CVT 就是急加速的时候急死人。。。省油的原因就是加速慢。
寿命也没保障，毕竟是一直处于高压力工作状态。

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

35 楼

I know you want to screaming: Subaru is the best, CVT is the best. Honestly,
I don't think Subaru will use CVT if they don't merge with Toyota. They are
losing their own brand and style after the merge. They are going downhills.
Sorry Subaru fans.

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: Honda Toyota Nissan , reliability > performance
: Acura. Lexus. Infinity performance > reliability
: Look at them, they just prove CVT is a good choice
:
: ok. if CVT does have better reliability and performance than AT. Why
: Honda
: young

b*12016-12-18 08:12

36 楼

Check Subaru Forester XT and Wrx
Their star cars, they both use CVT.
Subaru high torque CVT could handle 380 hp, that's limit , people test it.
For safety and reliable purposes, Subaru use on 250-300hp engine, that's
good enough on daily use

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: the only car Infiniti use is QX60 which has a lot of complains. I agree
: they do have better mpg, but think about their disadvantages, AT is a much
: better option as TODAY.
:
: Hope

b*12016-12-18 08:12

37 楼

你找一辆 compact suv 比得上forester XT的
对，就是比加速。
对, forester XT用的就是CVT

【在 g***n 的大作中提到】

: CVT 就是急加速的时候急死人。。。省油的原因就是加速慢。
: 寿命也没保障，毕竟是一直处于高压力工作状态。

b*12016-12-18 08:12

38 楼

Wake up son.
I have never try to prove CVT is the best, just saying don't juuuuuummmmmp
conclusions.
You have no fact to support you

Honestly,
are
downhills.

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: I know you want to screaming: Subaru is the best, CVT is the best. Honestly,
: I don't think Subaru will use CVT if they don't merge with Toyota. They are
: losing their own brand and style after the merge. They are going downhills.
: Sorry Subaru fans.

b*12016-12-18 08:12

39 楼

LOL
You moron,
Google yourself again again and again
Check Subaru CVT history, it has nothing to do with Toyota

Honestly,
are
downhills.

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

40 楼

it's a big mistake to use CVT on wrx. the only wrx I will buy is a manual
transmission.

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: Check Subaru Forester XT and Wrx
: Their star cars, they both use CVT.
: Subaru high torque CVT could handle 380 hp, that's limit , people test it.
: For safety and reliable purposes, Subaru use on 250-300hp engine, that's
: good enough on daily use

b*12016-12-18 08:12

41 楼

What a joke
Google again
Go buy WRX
They do offer WRX with manual
If WRX doesn't feed you, go get sti , their superstar car

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: it's a big mistake to use CVT on wrx. the only wrx I will buy is a manual
: transmission.

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

42 楼

they do study CVT for a long time. but they never use massively on their
cars until 2008. Toyota bought their 40% ownership in 2007 and another 16.5%
FHI stock in 2008. Do the math, please.
please

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: LOL
: You moron,
: Google yourself again again and again
: Check Subaru CVT history, it has nothing to do with Toyota
:
: Honestly,
: are
: downhills.

b*12016-12-18 08:12

43 楼

I will Make short
First CVT made in 1886.
Subaru first CVT start use in 1980.
You really need to learn how to use google
Leonardo DaVinci sketched the first CVT First patent for the CVT
Transmission was made by Daimler & Benz in 1886.
in 1910 Zenit motorcycles built a V2 motorbike that was so successful in
hill climb events that it was banned from the events to give other
motorcyclists a chance at competing.
In the late 1980's Subaru launched a car called Justy in Tokyo with a
continuously variable transmission which was electronically controlled which
was made by Fuji heavy industries which owned Subaru back then. The justy
was the first production car in USA to offer the CVT Transmission. Although
the car didn't make much success Subaru continued to use the CVT
Transmission.
In Early 1990's Nissan introduced CVT to their Nissan March which had the
same principles as the Subaru Justy CVT Transmission. Nissan designed it's
on CVT Transmission which was designed to handle more torque and also had a
torque converter. In 2006 Nissan Designed a CVT Transmission to match their
3.5L V6 Engine that was mostly found on the Nissan altima. Nissan to date
has the most success with CVT.
Toyota also offered a CVT Transmission called Multidrive for models such as
the Toyota Avensis.
In 2005 Ford introduced a chain driven CVT Transmission for their higher
powered cars such as the Ford Tauraus, Ford 500 & the ford freestyle. The
transmission was designed by German automotive supplier ZF Friedrichshafen.
Present day : Nissan is still continuing its development on the CVT
Transmission for a higher power output car.

they do study CVT for a long time. but they never use massively on their
5%

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: they do study CVT for a long time. but they never use massively on their
: cars until 2008. Toyota bought their 40% ownership in 2007 and another 16.5%
: FHI stock in 2008. Do the math, please.
: please

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

44 楼

Go to the real world. Look at Subaru cars around you. stop dreaming

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: I will Make short
: First CVT made in 1886.
: Subaru first CVT start use in 1980.
: You really need to learn how to use google
: Leonardo DaVinci sketched the first CVT First patent for the CVT
: Transmission was made by Daimler & Benz in 1886.
: in 1910 Zenit motorcycles built a V2 motorbike that was so successful in
: hill climb events that it was banned from the events to give other
: motorcyclists a chance at competing.
: In the late 1980's Subaru launched a car called Justy in Tokyo with a

b*12016-12-18 08:12

45 楼

Sounds like I care!
Right is right, wrong is wrong.
You have no fact to support you. Keep dreaming

Go to the real world. Look at Subaru cars around you. stop dreaming

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: Go to the real world. Look at Subaru cars around you. stop dreaming

i*e2016-12-18 08:12

46 楼

看看十年以上的CVT车，包subaru justy和 civic hx，基本上都死绝了。

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

b*12016-12-18 08:12

47 楼

诶呦
你咋来了
你找辆80年代的车我瞧瞧？有几个还活着的？

看看十年以上的CVT车，包subaru justy和 civic hx，基本上都死绝了。

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: 看看十年以上的CVT车，包subaru justy和 civic hx，基本上都死绝了。

i*e2016-12-18 08:12

48 楼

justy 十多年前就绝迹了，这烂车第一次CVT出问题就直接进废车场了，哪有可能到现
在才死绝，醒醒吧

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: 诶呦
: 你咋来了
: 你找辆80年代的车我瞧瞧？有几个还活着的？
:
: 看看十年以上的CVT车，包subaru justy和 civic hx，基本上都死绝了。

b*12016-12-18 08:12

49 楼

Depends where you are living.
Subaru is the No.1 selling in some states

Go to the real world. Look at Subaru cars around you. stop dreaming

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: Go to the real world. Look at Subaru cars around you. stop dreaming

b*12016-12-18 08:12

50 楼

我提到justy 原意是说，Subaru CVT用的早，并始终没有放弃CVT 的投入和研究。
怎么到你这就变成1980s justy CVT 早坏没了的结论？
用不用我拿WD40 照你脑袋喷喷。除除锈？

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: justy 十多年前就绝迹了，这烂车第一次CVT出问题就直接进废车场了，哪有可能到现
: 在才死绝，醒醒吧

b*12016-12-18 08:12

51 楼

同理
你也认为XC90 4缸小鸡鸡一直处于高压力工作状态，寿命没保障？
这恐怕是你不买XC90的真正原因吧

【在 g***n 的大作中提到】

: CVT 就是急加速的时候急死人。。。省油的原因就是加速慢。
: 寿命也没保障，毕竟是一直处于高压力工作状态。

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

52 楼

Subaru Lineartronic CVT
Usage: 2008–current Subaru Legacy / Outback / Exiga / Impreza / Forester /
XV and 2015 Subaru Impreza WRX Premium and Limited Editions.
Toyota Motors bought a little over 40% of GM's former FHI stock, amounting
to 8.7% of FHI. (The rest of GM's shares went to a Fuji stock buy-back
program.)[14] Toyota and Subaru have since collaborated on a number of
projects, among them building the Toyota Camry in Subaru's Indiana U.S.
plant beginning in April 2007.[15] Subaru introduced the Exiga in 2008.
Toyota increased their share of FHI to 16.5% in July of 2008.[16]
Subsequently, Toyota and Subaru jointly developed the Toyota 86, first sold
in January 2012 as the Subaru BRZ and by Toyota under various names.
Fact is fact. Stop arguing fact.

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: Sounds like I care!
: Right is right, wrong is wrong.
: You have no fact to support you. Keep dreaming
:
: Go to the real world. Look at Subaru cars around you. stop dreaming

D*I2016-12-18 08:12

53 楼

明显给丰田做实验呢
等着吧，丰田以后除了lexus，估计清一色cvt

发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】

: 发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到
: 泥丧水平，不知谁会花3万多买这个绣花枕头，再加四千块就上XC60了

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

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估计Lexus 也免不了利润高于一切

【在 D***I 的大作中提到】

: 明显给丰田做实验呢
: 等着吧，丰田以后除了lexus，估计清一色cvt
:
: 发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到

b*12016-12-18 08:12

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Fact about what?
Toyota help Subaru build better CVT?
Is that your point? It doesn't change Subaru found its CVT by itself !!!!!!!
!!!!
What's the matter? What's your problem?
Do you want me list how many other brand use Toyota technology?
You ignorant to the point that it is unbearable?
You are so pathetic? Like cocky frog sitting in front of the screen and keep
wondering why why why!
Sorry, feel sad about you
And god can't help you!
Go open your mind to laoselang, he may help!

sold

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: Subaru Lineartronic CVT
: Usage: 2008–current Subaru Legacy / Outback / Exiga / Impreza / Forester /
: XV and 2015 Subaru Impreza WRX Premium and Limited Editions.
: Toyota Motors bought a little over 40% of GM's former FHI stock, amounting
: to 8.7% of FHI. (The rest of GM's shares went to a Fuji stock buy-back
: program.)[14] Toyota and Subaru have since collaborated on a number of
: projects, among them building the Toyota Camry in Subaru's Indiana U.S.
: plant beginning in April 2007.[15] Subaru introduced the Exiga in 2008.
: Toyota increased their share of FHI to 16.5% in July of 2008.[16]
: Subsequently, Toyota and Subaru jointly developed the Toyota 86, first sold

b*12016-12-18 08:12

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Business is business
Don't hate the player , hate the game.

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: 估计Lexus 也免不了利润高于一切

b*12016-12-18 08:12

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最注重reliability 的Lexus 如果清一色的使用CVT的时候，就说明CVT 比传统AT有不
可比拟的优势
这有什么不值得期待的？

【在 D***I 的大作中提到】

: 明显给丰田做实验呢
: 等着吧，丰田以后除了lexus，估计清一色cvt
:
: 发现outback 6缸版本终于也上CVT了，3800多磅的6缸车配个CVT，苏八路终于堕落到

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

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you are mad about the fact, don't you? Look at you, hahaha

!!
keep

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: Fact about what?
: Toyota help Subaru build better CVT?
: Is that your point? It doesn't change Subaru found its CVT by itself !!!!!!!
: !!!!
: What's the matter? What's your problem?
: Do you want me list how many other brand use Toyota technology?
: You ignorant to the point that it is unbearable?
: You are so pathetic? Like cocky frog sitting in front of the screen and keep
: wondering why why why!
: Sorry, feel sad about you

b*12016-12-18 08:12

59 楼

Mad about fact?
Sorry , are you talking yourself ? You may also mind blind, eyes blind!!
Infinity don't use CVT ?
Fact QX60 use it!!
Don't buy wrx because it doesn't have manual?
Fact it do offer manual!!
………………………etc!!
Look at what you comment above!
Use google or wiki please.
You cocky frog

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: you are mad about the fact, don't you? Look at you, hahaha
:
: !!
: keep

b*12016-12-18 08:12

60 楼

Forgot to tell you
Acura use CVT too

f*h2016-12-18 08:12

61 楼

keep screaming keep shouting it's fun

【在 b*****1 的大作中提到】

: Mad about fact?
: Sorry , are you talking yourself ? You may also mind blind, eyes blind!!
: Infinity don't use CVT ?
: Fact QX60 use it!!
: Don't buy wrx because it doesn't have manual?
: Fact it do offer manual!!
: ………………………etc!!
: Look at what you comment above!
: Use google or wiki please.
: You cocky frog

b*12016-12-18 08:12

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Ok
Looks like you have nothing to show us now.
Hope your lessons learned.
I am so glad to show you the truths.
Keep up.

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】

: keep screaming keep shouting it's fun