Hi Guys, What is your opinion about co-first author, who did more for the paper? I found the second one usually did much more, because if the first guy did more, the second one should not have any chance to get the equal contribution authorship. IS that true?
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Hi Guys, : What is your opinion about co-first author, who did more for the paper? I : found the second one usually did much more, because if the first guy did : more, the second one should not have any chance to get the equal : contribution authorship. IS that true?
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Hi Guys, : What is your opinion about co-first author, who did more for the paper? I : found the second one usually did much more, because if the first guy did : more, the second one should not have any chance to get the equal : contribution authorship. IS that true?
Do you think the chinese boss want the postdoc or phd student to write the paper for themselves when they work on the same project? What's more, the boss already decided whose name first long time before published.THE boss even do not let the second guy know more detail about the project,just asked the second guy did more and more critical experiments.
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Do you think the chinese boss want the postdoc or phd student to write the : paper for themselves when they work on the same project? What's more, the : boss already decided whose name first long time before published.THE boss : even do not let the second guy know more detail about the project,just asked : the second guy did more and more critical experiments.
n*7
11 楼
The most important issue is the first one even did not write one word for the paper.
m*7
12 楼
难道第二个人就写了吗? 说了那么多,你就没看明白吗?
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : The most important issue is the first one even did not write one word for : the paper.
n*7
13 楼
But second one did more critical experiments, do you understand?
I*y
14 楼
you are the second guy in the co-author names?
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : But second one did more critical experiments, do you understand?
n*7
15 楼
So sad! The boss cheat me!
w*r
16 楼
no, the first usually should have done more. the purpose of co-first author is to show that the second author contributed significantly instead of being dajiangyou as those No.N author.
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Hi Guys, : What is your opinion about co-first author, who did more for the paper? I : found the second one usually did much more, because if the first guy did : more, the second one should not have any chance to get the equal : contribution authorship. IS that true?
b*d
17 楼
I No, it's not true. Other than the classical co-first case mentioned above (protein function + X-ray structure), the truth for many co-first cases is none of them made significant contributions to truly deserve solo first author. In that case, it's irrelevant who contributed marginally more or less and boss just makes a judgement call.
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Hi Guys, : What is your opinion about co-first author, who did more for the paper? I : found the second one usually did much more, because if the first guy did : more, the second one should not have any chance to get the equal : contribution authorship. IS that true?
u*g
18 楼
这一行的龌龊真多
b*d
19 楼
Co-first with a contributor from lab A physically first and co- corresponding. Most likely lab A started the project, found the function and mechanism and approached lab B for structure. Without lab A, the paper wouldn't be existing at the very moment (lab B could do X-Ray later after lab A publishes the result); without lab B, lab A could approach somebody else and/or publish (possibly) a lesser paper. The best option is to publish two papers back to back if they could pull it off.
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】 : : Co-first with a contributor from lab A physically first and co- : corresponding. Most likely lab A started the project, found the function : and mechanism and approached lab B for structure. Without lab A, the : paper wouldn't be existing at the very moment (lab B could do X-Ray later : after lab A publishes the result); without lab B, lab A could approach : somebody else and/or publish (possibly) a lesser paper. : The best option is to publish two papers back to back if they could pull : it off.
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Has anyone even involved in this situation? you guys just say what should be : , not what really be.
b*d
24 楼
I don't know the details of this particular paper. However, based on the fact that it's published in Nature Structure, I tend to think that "biology" story was probably incomplete, i.e. lack of killer evidence, such as direct target and/or concrete mechanisms. If it were a more complete story, it could have published standalone in a good journal. I remember that you said Lab A is big cow boss (bigger than Lab B?). I would give the boss benefit of the doubt in this case and he/she probably saw the biology story was not compelling enough w/o the structure. It's good to know that your boss eventually returned some favors to you. In most cases, the words that he/she carefully chooses in the recommendation letter matter more :)
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】 : : I don't know the details of this particular paper. However, based on the : fact that it's published in Nature Structure, I tend to think that : "biology" story was probably incomplete, i.e. lack of killer evidence, : such as direct target and/or concrete mechanisms. If it were a more : complete story, it could have published standalone in a good journal. I : remember that you said Lab A is big cow boss (bigger than Lab B?). I : would give the boss benefit of the doubt in this case and he/she probably : saw the biology story was not compelling enough w/o the structure. : It's good to know that your boss eventually returned some favors to you.
n*7
26 楼
how can you tolerant that? You left that lab for this?
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : how can you tolerant that? You left that lab for this?
n*7
28 楼
I see.My boss always push me to do many critical experimets. I can do any experiments the first one did. but ..... chinese boss.
l*n
29 楼
1st of co-1st & 2nd of co-1st Nature & Nature Medicine pd-ing big lab & pd-ing small lab Harvard & Chinese Harvard 李鸿章 & 俾斯麦 俾斯麦说:“你们都说李鸿章是‘东方的俾斯麦’,但我可不愿意被你们说成是‘西方 的李鸿章’”。
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : Hi Guys, : What is your opinion about co-first author, who did more for the paper? I : found the second one usually did much more, because if the first guy did : more, the second one should not have any chance to get the equal : contribution authorship. IS that true?
n*k
33 楼
you are either a newbie or still don't know research that well...one point I like to make is that it is not how much you have done but how much you have contributed to a study...Dependent on how you work, you may have done 70-90 % of the bench work but still have minimum contribution to the study and dependent on how a particular PI's preference, one may get a first authorship or even no (I mean Nth) authorship (esp if one is a tech) in such a scenario...BTW, no offense, but frankly to make such a generalization purely out of your own experience may say something...
【在 n********7 的大作中提到】 : I see.My boss always push me to do many critical experimets. I can do any : experiments the first one did. but ..... chinese boss.