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g*1
1
电话面试完一个学校。几天后SearchCommittee里的一个教授给我发个paper跟我讨论其
中的问题,并且问我如何能申请使用我们这里的设备做实验。有这样的吗?挺迷惑的,
我毕竟还是在面试过程中。有过来人帮指点吗?我是想尽自己全力去帮,无论他是不是
我的面试人,我认真对待每个合作者,但是这种情况让我很紧张。谢谢!
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C*h
2
这年头
学生不好当
博后不好做
新PI也是压力重重
申请不到FUNDING
头大得不行
递交上的三个PROPOSALS
两个已经接连被宰掉
迄今一文未中
还剩下最后一个
最近要出结果
心里头却有点发慌
这要还是个零蛋
光靠这点STARTUP
日子还真是不好过
阿Q一把
求点祝福
虽然现在没有包子给您
陈胜吴广可是说了的
苟富贵
毋相忘


, 递 交 了 一 年过去了 我是去年没有足 够 的 FUNDING, 想 出 点 好 结 果
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w*t
3
be nice to this committee member, if you want the job.
no need to do any work until you get the offer
two possibilities: a. this one is really interested in your work, and b.
this one is super aggressive and wants the new hire to listen to him
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w*a
4
bless

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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a*y
5
why bother? this is a very good opportunity. if you treat it right, you earn
a buddy in the SC who is going to fight hard for you. do you want this
position? as LS said, there is no need to do any actual work before you get
the offer.
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S*l
6
Bless.
You can buy $100 mitbbs with 1 buck.
hehe

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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X*r
7
同意
不明白这种有什么好confuse的,答应就是了

earn
get

【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: why bother? this is a very good opportunity. if you treat it right, you earn
: a buddy in the SC who is going to fight hard for you. do you want this
: position? as LS said, there is no need to do any actual work before you get
: the offer.

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O*e
8
一年递个十个八个的申请都挺正常的吧。
坚持就是胜利!

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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A*8
9
说不定人家已经内定你了,要不然估计不会这么要求你的,恭喜!
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d*o
10
bless
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g*1
11
如果真的这样子,真是不错。。。我想他们会不会用这个来考核候选人。。。
从他们的广告来看还是很符合我的背景的。

【在 A*******8 的大作中提到】
: 说不定人家已经内定你了,要不然估计不会这么要求你的,恭喜!
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C*h
12
Thanks!

【在 w***a 的大作中提到】
: bless
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N*A
13
他们邀请你过去面试了吗

【在 g**********1 的大作中提到】
: 如果真的这样子,真是不错。。。我想他们会不会用这个来考核候选人。。。
: 从他们的广告来看还是很符合我的背景的。

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C*h
14
Gooddeal, nice to know.

【在 S******l 的大作中提到】
: Bless.
: You can buy $100 mitbbs with 1 buck.
: hehe

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g*1
15
在电话面试的最后问我什么时候有时间,然后说等经过HR之后再安排来面试。
给那个教授回信了,表示合作兴趣,他说会跟我进一步联系,就是说"look forward to
talking to you more about this..."其实我也不太在乎了,要就要,不要拉倒,没
所谓了。

【在 N**A 的大作中提到】
: 他们邀请你过去面试了吗
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C*h
16
Unfortunately, not so many chances as in USA.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 一年递个十个八个的申请都挺正常的吧。
: 坚持就是胜利!

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C*R
17
你做什么方向的?

【在 g**********1 的大作中提到】
: 电话面试完一个学校。几天后SearchCommittee里的一个教授给我发个paper跟我讨论其
: 中的问题,并且问我如何能申请使用我们这里的设备做实验。有这样的吗?挺迷惑的,
: 我毕竟还是在面试过程中。有过来人帮指点吗?我是想尽自己全力去帮,无论他是不是
: 我的面试人,我认真对待每个合作者,但是这种情况让我很紧张。谢谢!

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C*h
18
Best wishes to you.

【在 d****o 的大作中提到】
: bless
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p*l
19
bless

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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C*h
20
Well said _____as long as it takes. Thanks!

【在 p****l 的大作中提到】
: bless
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s*f
21
恭喜!新PI!

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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C*h
22
好心人amedio给我捐赠了买包子的钱
明天抽空来学习如何发包子
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s*y
23
bless
though I would say the coming two-five years will be even more tough for
PIs, new or old, see the economy and the congress...
people ask to limit government spending...

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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H*N
24
Which year are you in now? I don't think submitting too many grants is a
good idea. Although many people say its a number game, its the quality, not
the quantity, that really matters. That said, I wish you good luck.
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s*y
25
Bless.
I still remember the time when you were on this board. Now you already a PI

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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w*e
26
//bless

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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a*d
27
Bless!!!
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s*y
28
Apply everywhere. NIH, NSF, AHA, ACS, March of Dime...

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: Unfortunately, not so many chances as in USA.
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p*d
29
难怪我老板一天到晚写grant,连改paper都不积极。我感觉老板就是grant oriented,
研究生和博
后还是paper oriented。

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: Apply everywhere. NIH, NSF, AHA, ACS, March of Dime...
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C*h
30
Thanks! Best wishes to you.

【在 s**f 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜!新PI!
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C*h
31
Thanks!
I am in the 1st year.
agree with you. Quality, proper politics plus luck.

not

【在 H****N 的大作中提到】
: Which year are you in now? I don't think submitting too many grants is a
: good idea. Although many people say its a number game, its the quality, not
: the quantity, that really matters. That said, I wish you good luck.

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C*h
32
Indeed, very tight funding budget for almost all PIs in our Faculty right
now. Good time has gone.

【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: bless
: though I would say the coming two-five years will be even more tough for
: PIs, new or old, see the economy and the congress...
: people ask to limit government spending...

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C*h
33
Thanks for your bless and your memory of my old "episode" in this board.

PI

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: Bless.
: I still remember the time when you were on this board. Now you already a PI

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C*h
34
Thanks. Curious, are you in Chamonix?

【在 w******e 的大作中提到】
: //bless
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C*h
35
Actually, it is not easy to try everywhere.
First, need to pay much attention to my postdoc to help him setup almost
everything.
Second, need to run experiments in order to accumulate data (I didn't go
ahead with my postdoc project).
In the future might be able to try more funding sources.

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: Apply everywhere. NIH, NSF, AHA, ACS, March of Dime...
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C*h
36
Big boss can be grant oriented, but tiny one is everything.

【在 p******d 的大作中提到】
: 难怪我老板一天到晚写grant,连改paper都不积极。我感觉老板就是grant oriented,
: 研究生和博
: 后还是paper oriented。

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C*h
37
Thanks! Best wishes to you.

【在 a****d 的大作中提到】
: Bless!!!
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s*y
38
I see.
It's very difficult to get any funding in the first year because you need to
have sufficient preliminary data. So maybe it is not a good idea to apply
to too many places in the first year
Just get the experiment going first and I am sure you will do better in the
next years

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: Actually, it is not easy to try everywhere.
: First, need to pay much attention to my postdoc to help him setup almost
: everything.
: Second, need to run experiments in order to accumulate data (I didn't go
: ahead with my postdoc project).
: In the future might be able to try more funding sources.

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b*n
39
加油加油,没那么糟糕的
多打探消息,从小钱弄起
苍蝇肉也是肉

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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H*N
40
You are only in your first year! There is no need to panic. You still have a
lot of time. I would first apply some small foundation grants to cover any
potential gap you may have in the 2nd or 3rd year (they tend not to require
a lot preliminary data and are easier to get). At the same time, I would
focus on developing preliminary data for the NIH R01. Everything in the lab
should be geared toward that for the first two years. Papers are not so
important in the beginning, since once you get money, papers will come along.
Also try to go to meetings related to your field and do your best to get to
know people who may sit on your study section and review your grant. This is
very very important, because once you leave a good impression on them that
your are doing quality research, they will look at your grant favorably.
Another important point is to have your grant read by at least three
collegues who have written successful grants (believe me, this can make a
huge difference).

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: Thanks!
: I am in the 1st year.
: agree with you. Quality, proper politics plus luck.
:
: not

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s*y
41
Very sophisticated and excellent advice.
yes, indeed, most of those pilot fundings are very friendly to new PI

a
any
require
lab
along.
to
is
that

【在 H****N 的大作中提到】
: You are only in your first year! There is no need to panic. You still have a
: lot of time. I would first apply some small foundation grants to cover any
: potential gap you may have in the 2nd or 3rd year (they tend not to require
: a lot preliminary data and are easier to get). At the same time, I would
: focus on developing preliminary data for the NIH R01. Everything in the lab
: should be geared toward that for the first two years. Papers are not so
: important in the beginning, since once you get money, papers will come along.
: Also try to go to meetings related to your field and do your best to get to
: know people who may sit on your study section and review your grant. This is
: very very important, because once you leave a good impression on them that

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l*s
42
bless,
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t*e
43
bless

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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b*n
44
不过这个标题还是不完整
感觉就是搞了一大票钱,结果怎么分却起了内讧
有点两桃杀三士的感觉

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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B*f
45
bless!
PI真不是常人干的活儿

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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n*k
46
Well said...Another simply point(likely everyone knows) I like to make is to hire carefully---One only
need one good/excellent postdoc/student plus a good lab manager/tech to get
one's tenure(first R01 and a first major publication etc)...Though it is
likely very hard for a junior PI, esp a Chinese junior PI...Don't know ur
school, in our center, some funds from foundations are virtually guaranteed
for junior PIs, much easier than R01 but it seems the tracking record and
the environments count a lot and they could amount as much as a R01...R01
only has A1 A2 now, one has to be very careful about it...have senior
faculty's critics could be very helpful while have a peer (say your postdoc
if he/she could function at a reasonable level) to discuss on daily base is
also very valuable...you are already half way, If you can have a talented/
motivated postdoc or even a graduate who would feel strongly he/she is in
the same boat as u...In general, strongly academic-oriented postdoc
candidates are more likely to be that way...

a
any
require
lab
along.
to
is
that

【在 H****N 的大作中提到】
: You are only in your first year! There is no need to panic. You still have a
: lot of time. I would first apply some small foundation grants to cover any
: potential gap you may have in the 2nd or 3rd year (they tend not to require
: a lot preliminary data and are easier to get). At the same time, I would
: focus on developing preliminary data for the NIH R01. Everything in the lab
: should be geared toward that for the first two years. Papers are not so
: important in the beginning, since once you get money, papers will come along.
: Also try to go to meetings related to your field and do your best to get to
: know people who may sit on your study section and review your grant. This is
: very very important, because once you leave a good impression on them that

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f*7
47
It's hard for new assistant professors to hire good postdocs, except for
those in top schools.
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w*a
48
bless!!!
很佩服能把grant写好的人,我只是说写,还不包括preliminary data呢。
看美国老板写的grant的语言真是洋洋洒洒的,用词也考究。。。
当PI是不是得写作能力很好才行呢?
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n*k
49
It is also true for Chinese AP in top school...at least most of my junior
faculty friends are complaining about that...still one could still choose a
bit more carefully, and one might get the luck...a bad egg could be worse
than no eggs

【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: It's hard for new assistant professors to hire good postdocs, except for
: those in top schools.

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O*e
50
把宝压在招到好手下上,不如多学学怎么好好管理几个资质一般的手下。年轻PI想
招到特别能干的人,拼的只有运气。

to hire carefully---One only
get
guaranteed
and
postdoc
is

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Well said...Another simply point(likely everyone knows) I like to make is to hire carefully---One only
: need one good/excellent postdoc/student plus a good lab manager/tech to get
: one's tenure(first R01 and a first major publication etc)...Though it is
: likely very hard for a junior PI, esp a Chinese junior PI...Don't know ur
: school, in our center, some funds from foundations are virtually guaranteed
: for junior PIs, much easier than R01 but it seems the tracking record and
: the environments count a lot and they could amount as much as a R01...R01
: only has A1 A2 now, one has to be very careful about it...have senior
: faculty's critics could be very helpful while have a peer (say your postdoc
: if he/she could function at a reasonable level) to discuss on daily base is

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T*e
51
bless
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f*e
52
bless

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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p*l
53
at the first or second year, a good postdoc and a good student should be
enough, even other students are just so so.
many PIs started applying funding when they were still postdoc, and they
had at least half data for 2-3 decent papers.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 把宝压在招到好手下上,不如多学学怎么好好管理几个资质一般的手下。年轻PI想
: 招到特别能干的人,拼的只有运气。
:
: to hire carefully---One only
: get
: guaranteed
: and
: postdoc
: is

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c*n
54
bless
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y*u
55
BLESS!!!

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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s*l
56
bless niu ren~

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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C*h
57
谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。
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s*y
58
祝福!好好安慰一下你的孩子。
记住Henben 和neverthink网友的回帖。你会没事的。




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

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c*k
59
bless




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

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m*b
60
bless!!




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

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l*7
61
苟富贵
毋相忘
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O*e
62
希望你儿子早日康复。跟孩子一比,其它什么事情都是小事情。




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
b*2
63
Big bless!!!

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

avatar
b*2
64
Big bless your family!




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
D*R
65
bless。。。。
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s*i
66
BLESS
avatar
a*d
67
bless your family!




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
l*m
68
bless
avatar
n*k
69
不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
Bless and hands!
As much as I/we love science, nothing else really matters much when come to
family!
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c*b
70
bless
avatar
u*g
71
吃包子

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

avatar
a*y
72
Good luck
avatar
e*e
73
bless!




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
t*r
74
不错了
比那些千老强多了

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

avatar
v*a
75
知道几个曾经的AP,学校里面弄不下去了跑到药厂当Research associate.
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s*y
76
the same for the writing of research articles.
decent and fluent...
long way to go for foreigners...

【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: bless!!!
: 很佩服能把grant写好的人,我只是说写,还不包括preliminary data呢。
: 看美国老板写的grant的语言真是洋洋洒洒的,用词也考究。。。
: 当PI是不是得写作能力很好才行呢?

avatar
s*y
77
can not agree with you more on this...
if one fresh PI count his/her tenure/R01 on good postdoc only, it is
almost certain this fresh PI is dead...
good or well experienced postdocs seldom choose a so so PI as supervisor
at all.
Good postdoc shall focus on ones that can help him/her for network...
a fresh PI is nothing in terms of network...

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 把宝压在招到好手下上,不如多学学怎么好好管理几个资质一般的手下。年轻PI想
: 招到特别能干的人,拼的只有运气。
:
: to hire carefully---One only
: get
: guaranteed
: and
: postdoc
: is

avatar
s*y
78
bless...
everything will get better.




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
w*a
79
bless!
Your son will be fine!




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
w*a
80
Okay.我记住了。。。

【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: bless...
: everything will get better.
:
: ,
: ,

avatar
w*a
81
I believe that there is NO BETTER man in the world than those who love both
science and their FAMILY but love FAMILY more than science!!!
I wish I could find someone like this~

to

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: Bless and hands!
: As much as I/we love science, nothing else really matters much when come to
: family!

avatar
n*k
82
too late here, hoho.... but try pupper...very handsome scientifically and
financially but very much family/personally oriented as well...

both

【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: I believe that there is NO BETTER man in the world than those who love both
: science and their FAMILY but love FAMILY more than science!!!
: I wish I could find someone like this~
:
: to

avatar
n*k
83
1. not "count on"...2. not "only"... anyhow, I wouldn't just disregard the
possibility like that:))...I know at least two or more cases on this board
that happened...If one's direction is very promising and personally
reasonable, it is not entirely impossible I guess but as I said early it is
not easy and certainly one shouldn't count on that....but the flip side is
as wrong to hire in a hurry...BTW, for a reasonably good PI, one shall be
able to just get his/her own R01 and tenure by working like a postdog for
another five ys if it has to be that way, right?

【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: can not agree with you more on this...
: if one fresh PI count his/her tenure/R01 on good postdoc only, it is
: almost certain this fresh PI is dead...
: good or well experienced postdocs seldom choose a so so PI as supervisor
: at all.
: Good postdoc shall focus on ones that can help him/her for network...
: a fresh PI is nothing in terms of network...

avatar
l*s
84
may the god bless your son is all right




【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢网友们的祝福!我不一一回贴了。
: 快到中午的时候评审结果在基金会的网站上公布出来了,GRANT没有申请到。还没有来
: 得及深吸口气 ,手机响了。 儿子所在幼儿园的阿姨急促地告知我: 儿子头部受伤,
: 正在赶赴医院。我可怜的儿子 ,在操场上玩开车的游戏,头部撞到了石头,眉骨附近
: 开了好大一条口子,满脸血呼呼的。不幸中的万幸, 没有伤到眼睛。是否伤及骨头,
: 医生现在还不敢下结论, 要等待观察。 不到六岁的儿子, 在医生对他伤口处理,剧
: 痛难忍的时候,也只是紧紧地抓住爸爸的手。比起儿子的身心健康成长, 这GRANT申请
: 正与不正, 算得了啥呢? 祝福我的儿子。

avatar
s*y
85
That is of course very reasonable.
As we all agree, one can only rely on him/her self, to rely on good
student and postdoc is difficult.
At this economic environment, it is hard to say a good PI can survive
if only working hard...
I may be too much, but I really would say the social network is
more important than pure science, I am not saying science is not
important.
Problem is I would say 50-80% PIs doing science of similar quality,
the rest are 10% bad one and 10% really novel ones.
Your comments?

disregard the
board
early it is
side is
shall be
postdog for

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 1. not "count on"...2. not "only"... anyhow, I wouldn't just disregard the
: possibility like that:))...I know at least two or more cases on this board
: that happened...If one's direction is very promising and personally
: reasonable, it is not entirely impossible I guess but as I said early it is
: not easy and certainly one shouldn't count on that....but the flip side is
: as wrong to hire in a hurry...BTW, for a reasonably good PI, one shall be
: able to just get his/her own R01 and tenure by working like a postdog for
: another five ys if it has to be that way, right?

avatar
w*a
86
what is pupper?

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: too late here, hoho.... but try pupper...very handsome scientifically and
: financially but very much family/personally oriented as well...
:
: both

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n*k
87
that I have to agree:)))...network is clearly important or so crucial, there
are tons of people with great funds but without much productivity...
nonetheless, for some, we are inheritedly compromised when coming to over-
networking...take myself as an example, I am trying and believe I could do
it, but after all just not my cup of teas...I would rather work and fight
harder...sounds pretty silly/stupid, isn't it?

【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: That is of course very reasonable.
: As we all agree, one can only rely on him/her self, to rely on good
: student and postdoc is difficult.
: At this economic environment, it is hard to say a good PI can survive
: if only working hard...
: I may be too much, but I really would say the social network is
: more important than pure science, I am not saying science is not
: important.
: Problem is I would say 50-80% PIs doing science of similar quality,
: the rest are 10% bad one and 10% really novel ones.

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n*k
88
a most famous cow on this board...just open a new thread, asking "pupper
look at me":))))

【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: what is pupper?
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p*m
89
wistaria有家有室吧 你们别当真啊 hoho

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: a most famous cow on this board...just open a new thread, asking "pupper
: look at me":))))

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n*k
90
Really??.. then it is about time to LI....look at what she said..."I wish I
could..." hoho and run and run forest:)

【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: wistaria有家有室吧 你们别当真啊 hoho
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w*a
91
前辈你不要造谣啊。。。我单身着呢!

【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: wistaria有家有室吧 你们别当真啊 hoho
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e*a
92
bless
avatar
b*e
93
bless
能当上PI就肯定有实力了
其实你走到今天
回头看看
哪一步也不是一直一帆风顺的
都是曲曲折折中往前走吧
不过大趋势往前就好了
所以一时的挫折也是暂时的
上来发泄发泄
然后就忘掉以前的
继续努力吧
想想你那么坚强的儿子
再怎么努力也值了

【在 C*******h 的大作中提到】
: 这年头
: 学生不好当
: 博后不好做
: 新PI也是压力重重
: 申请不到FUNDING
: 头大得不行
: 递交上的三个PROPOSALS
: 两个已经接连被宰掉
: 迄今一文未中
: 还剩下最后一个

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