僵尸是人造的吗？ - 未名空间MITBBS历史存档

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

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最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
个组都被裁掉了。
很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
agreement里面的。
最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。
公司技术落后，这种工作经历写在简历上完全不是亮点而是污点。（很多NY和加州的
Headhunter都跟我这么说过）
建议接受Epic offer请三思。如果暂时没有别的可以先来在同时找其他的。

b*62014-06-18 07:06

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当时用了一个连接是9个月 3万点的
申请了好久了
今天拿到卡没看见citi说reward的事情，怎么办？
另外，比如说三个月要求消费1000，这个日期怎么算？
从开卡开始算还是按照自然月算？

e*82014-06-18 07:06

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在看WALKING DEAD，越看越觉得这种僵尸可能是人造生物武器的产物，是一种某些人
消灭多余人类的手段
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153578/U-S-government-
看看这篇报道和评论，僵尸真的出现在现实生活，而且是近来才有的。
觉得很可怕，如果真发生了，怎么办？
＝＝＝＝＝ comment
SupAJ1M, Airstrip One, EUSSR, 2 years ago
No...but I'm betting there exists a pharmaceutical company, utilizing
genetic engineering and research into bio-organic weapons, just like the
fictional Umbrella Corporation.

p*x2014-06-18 07:06

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Our advanced software is used by some of the largest and most respected heal
thcare organizations worldwide to improve the quality of patient care. What
we do here makes a difference through every step of the patient care process
.
We're a focused and driven company. Founded 32 years ago in the basement of
an apartment building, we've grown to a company of over 4,300 intelligent, m
otivated, and principled people, working from our 800-acre campus outside Ma
dison to make an impact on one of the largest and fastest-growing industries
out there.
We hire bright people with a sense of urgency and a track record of getting
things done. Our management structure's relatively flat, which means you get
to make an impact on our company and our customers within months—or days—
of beginning your career here.
As you consider the next (or first) step in your career, ask yourself if you
want to work for a company focused on returns to shareholders and developin
g a non-essential product, or if you want to do something that makes a diffe
rence in the world.
Facebook Find us on Facebook
Twitter Follow us on Twitter
Do you want to get a job, or do you want to do something Epic?

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

d*e2014-06-18 07:06

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激活卡那天开始吧

K*n2014-06-18 07:06

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僵尸不是吸血鬼造的么？主要是为了对付狼人。
进击的巨人才是人造的。用来消除多余的人类。

【在 e********8 的大作中提到】

: 在看WALKING DEAD，越看越觉得这种僵尸可能是人造生物武器的产物，是一种某些人
: 消灭多余人类的手段
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153578/U-S-government-
: 看看这篇报道和评论，僵尸真的出现在现实生活，而且是近来才有的。
: 觉得很可怕，如果真发生了，怎么办？
: ＝＝＝＝＝ comment
: SupAJ1M, Airstrip One, EUSSR, 2 years ago
: No...but I'm betting there exists a pharmaceutical company, utilizing
: genetic engineering and research into bio-organic weapons, just like the
: fictional Umbrella Corporation.

p*x2014-06-18 07:06

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居然有4000多人

heal
What
process
of
m
Ma
industries
getting

【在 p******x 的大作中提到】

: Our advanced software is used by some of the largest and most respected heal
: thcare organizations worldwide to improve the quality of patient care. What
: we do here makes a difference through every step of the patient care process
: .
: We're a focused and driven company. Founded 32 years ago in the basement of
: an apartment building, we've grown to a company of over 4,300 intelligent, m
: otivated, and principled people, working from our 800-acre campus outside Ma
: dison to make an impact on one of the largest and fastest-growing industries
: out there.
: We hire bright people with a sense of urgency and a track record of getting

b*62014-06-18 07:06

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卡邮寄过来没说这个事情我还有reward吗？

【在 d*****e 的大作中提到】

: 激活卡那天开始吧

b*r2014-06-18 07:06

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lz，地球是个很危险的星球，劝你赶快回火星，那边比较安全，没有僵尸

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

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what's your point?

heal
What
process
of
m
Ma
industries
getting

【在 p******x 的大作中提到】

: Our advanced software is used by some of the largest and most respected heal
: thcare organizations worldwide to improve the quality of patient care. What
: we do here makes a difference through every step of the patient care process
: .
: We're a focused and driven company. Founded 32 years ago in the basement of
: an apartment building, we've grown to a company of over 4,300 intelligent, m
: otivated, and principled people, working from our 800-acre campus outside Ma
: dison to make an impact on one of the largest and fastest-growing industries
: out there.
: We hire bright people with a sense of urgency and a track record of getting

g*n2014-06-18 07:06

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开卡那天开始算。
激活时问客服关于bonus的情况

M*P2014-06-18 07:06

12 楼

你要先炼成僵尸，然后自由变身转换就好了。

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 e********8 的大作中提到】

: 在看WALKING DEAD，越看越觉得这种僵尸可能是人造生物武器的产物，是一种某些人
: 消灭多余人类的手段
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153578/U-S-government-
: 看看这篇报道和评论，僵尸真的出现在现实生活，而且是近来才有的。
: 觉得很可怕，如果真发生了，怎么办？
: ＝＝＝＝＝ comment
: SupAJ1M, Airstrip One, EUSSR, 2 years ago
: No...but I'm betting there exists a pharmaceutical company, utilizing
: genetic engineering and research into bio-organic weapons, just like the
: fictional Umbrella Corporation.

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

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developer 只有不到500

【在 p******x 的大作中提到】

: 居然有4000多人
:
: heal
: What
: process
: of
: m
: Ma
: industries
: getting

d*e2014-06-18 07:06

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信用卡寄过来基本都不会提bonus的，放心吧
不放心的话激活卡的时候问问客服，一般都会给的，不给再去要

【在 b***6 的大作中提到】

: 卡邮寄过来没说这个事情我还有reward吗？

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

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766 as of now

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: developer 只有不到500

b*62014-06-18 07:06

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多谢楼上几位

E*R2014-06-18 07:06

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HIT 公司大都以实施人员为主。

b*62014-06-18 07:06

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另外这个买GC算消费吗

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

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解释下skill assessment 我们三个月前出了新的题库现在是内测阶段各种资历的员
工都会参加用以决定未来的标准

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

s*y2014-06-18 07:06

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Is it the same as Yahoo?
Just fire the ppl with high salary then hire ppl with low salary?

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: 解释下skill assessment 我们三个月前出了新的题库现在是内测阶段各种资历的员
: 工都会参加用以决定未来的标准

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

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你老也是Epic里出来的叛徒？

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

o*i2014-06-18 07:06

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我想去人家都不要我，人比人，气死人呀

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

n*z2014-06-18 07:06

23 楼

象面向对象设计，.NET,医疗的行业经验还是有用吧。
两手准备吧。要么剩者为王，要么另找雇主。

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

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"我认识一个放弃MS SDET的offer来的"
谁？谁？好像在说我。。。

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

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少来了
你去过epic吗？

【在 n**z 的大作中提到】

: 象面向对象设计，.NET,医疗的行业经验还是有用吧。
: 两手准备吧。要么剩者为王，要么另找雇主。

n*z2014-06-18 07:06

26 楼

还真去过。
办公室不错呢。这种时候一定要团结。

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 少来了
: 你去过epic吗？

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

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是吗？他们啥时高过OOP?

【在 n**z 的大作中提到】

: 还真去过。
: 办公室不错呢。这种时候一定要团结。

n*z2014-06-18 07:06

28 楼

新的VB.NET难道不是OOP.不过他们好像有一套自己的QUERY语言什么的。是有点怪。。
但是向系统需求分析，客户交流，这些都是通的。
这年头，自己的实力和关系才是硬件。不要对公司报太大的期待。

b*d2014-06-18 07:06

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听说Epic用的是VB6

【在 n**z 的大作中提到】

: 新的VB.NET难道不是OOP.不过他们好像有一套自己的QUERY语言什么的。是有点怪。。
: 但是向系统需求分析，客户交流，这些都是通的。
: 这年头，自己的实力和关系才是硬件。不要对公司报太大的期待。

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

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Epic的开发流程不是业界通用的，Design pattern你用了几个？UML你用么？
有一个NY的headhunter曾经直白的跟我说"people from Epic make poor candidates"
，就是因为很多业界通用的标准都没有用，要不是我毕业的时候就跟他有联系他不想帮
我。
别在上班时间吹Epic了，小心下个被裁的就是你。所有被裁的都是毫无征兆的。

【在 n**z 的大作中提到】

: 新的VB.NET难道不是OOP.不过他们好像有一套自己的QUERY语言什么的。是有点怪。。
: 但是向系统需求分析，客户交流，这些都是通的。
: 这年头，自己的实力和关系才是硬件。不要对公司报太大的期待。

n*z2014-06-18 07:06

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楼主火气不要太大。我绝对反对公司裁员。UML那东西看两天不就熟悉了吗。
Design Pattern傻瓜书也很有意思。
。

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: Epic的开发流程不是业界通用的，Design pattern你用了几个？UML你用么？
: 有一个NY的headhunter曾经直白的跟我说"people from Epic make poor candidates"
: ，就是因为很多业界通用的标准都没有用，要不是我毕业的时候就跟他有联系他不想帮
: 我。
: 别在上班时间吹Epic了，小心下个被裁的就是你。所有被裁的都是毫无征兆的。

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

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你被裁了？
lin (millin) 的大作中提到: 】

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

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Sorry for being mean on you,
If you were even fired/laid off by such an underpar company (just as you
described) how could you justify yourself to be "good" anyway. I could even
interpret what you heard from your head hunt as "People fired by Epic are
just too bad".
No offense, just like if you were dumped by your girlfriend yet you had no
clue on why even after, you got some trouble of yourself, not your
girlfriend.

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: Epic的开发流程不是业界通用的，Design pattern你用了几个？UML你用么？
: 有一个NY的headhunter曾经直白的跟我说"people from Epic make poor candidates"
: ，就是因为很多业界通用的标准都没有用，要不是我毕业的时候就跟他有联系他不想帮
: 我。
: 别在上班时间吹Epic了，小心下个被裁的就是你。所有被裁的都是毫无征兆的。

c*t2014-06-18 07:06

34 楼

I guess that it would be another story if your girl friend kept fooling you
around until the last moment.

even

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: Sorry for being mean on you,
: If you were even fired/laid off by such an underpar company (just as you
: described) how could you justify yourself to be "good" anyway. I could even
: interpret what you heard from your head hunt as "People fired by Epic are
: just too bad".
: No offense, just like if you were dumped by your girlfriend yet you had no
: clue on why even after, you got some trouble of yourself, not your
: girlfriend.

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

35 楼

Sure, just make sure you will think that way.
You are likely to be the next to fired, Epic is monitoring your internet
traffic all the time.

even

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: Sorry for being mean on you,
: If you were even fired/laid off by such an underpar company (just as you
: described) how could you justify yourself to be "good" anyway. I could even
: interpret what you heard from your head hunt as "People fired by Epic are
: just too bad".
: No offense, just like if you were dumped by your girlfriend yet you had no
: clue on why even after, you got some trouble of yourself, not your
: girlfriend.

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

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I went off before they can. 2/3 of the Asians are fired/left in my group.
All the information is what I know before I left or heard from people who
are left/fired after me

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 你被裁了？
: lin (millin) 的大作中提到: 】

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

37 楼

yea, i am not quite sure about that, they monitor your internet traffic.
do you have concrete evidence?

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: Sure, just make sure you will think that way.
: You are likely to be the next to fired, Epic is monitoring your internet
: traffic all the time.
:
: even

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

38 楼

你扪心自问一下，Epic到底值得不得来，你仔细想想，Staff meeting上有多少不是洗
脑，在Epic这几年对你的Career到底是个什么样的影响。
别为了赚点Referral就骗那么多同胞来

even

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: Sorry for being mean on you,
: If you were even fired/laid off by such an underpar company (just as you
: described) how could you justify yourself to be "good" anyway. I could even
: interpret what you heard from your head hunt as "People fired by Epic are
: just too bad".
: No offense, just like if you were dumped by your girlfriend yet you had no
: clue on why even after, you got some trouble of yourself, not your
: girlfriend.

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

39 楼

One Chinese I know was fired for this reason.

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: yea, i am not quite sure about that, they monitor your internet traffic.
: do you have concrete evidence?

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

40 楼

who who?

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: One Chinese I know was fired for this reason.

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

41 楼

a girl, I don't think she wants to give out her name. She's still in job
hunting now.

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: who who?

d*r2014-06-18 07:06

42 楼

India company?

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

43 楼

Ma mei mei?

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: a girl, I don't think she wants to give out her name. She's still in job
: hunting now.

c*y2014-06-18 07:06

44 楼

好名字哦

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: Ma mei mei?

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

45 楼

转一个Glassdoor review:
Epic Systems Corporation Software Developer in Verona, WI: (Current
Employee)
“You'll ruin your life working here”
9 of 10 people found this helpful
Pros
- Great benefit package, insurance is cheap and covers everything
- Good pay, especially for fresh grads
- Really nice campus with unique design
- Subsidized food (very cheap and healthy)
Cons
- Working here basically means no future. The company uses Cache and VB
which have absolutely no marketing value and career advancement. Therefore,
it's really hard to find a different job after working here for a while. You
might have to put extra efforts by working during the day and keeping your
other skills (Java, C/C++,...) updated during the night... oh wait, you
might have to work during the night too.
- VERY FEW Team Leads have good management/people skills, which is the
drawback of having a flat structure. You advance through seniority, not
necessary skills so they actually contributed a lot in scaring talents away.
If you're lucky, your TLs would be nice, and that probably happens 10% of
the time.
- Really really old/ancient codes with inconsistencies all over the place.
They're like plague and the worst thing is, most people who wrote those
codes quit already. Now you're stuck with debugging/fixing it. Also,
production codes contain A LOT of bad practices (hardcoding, memory leaks,
poor documentation...). Cache is so old comments still affect performances (
causes NoOp code) so good luck finding documentation when debugging it.
- The company has not clear vision of the future. Projects to satisfy
customers move forward quickly while projects to move to .NET got suspended
for 3 years straight. New features are written in old code, which increases
the codebase everyday and makes transitions impossible.
- The CEO regularly badmouths competitors and use twisted statistics to
convince employees they're working for the best company in the world. She
also keeps comparing Epic (merely $600M in revenue) to Google, Microsoft and
Facebook... Epic's far from it.
- If you piss off a customer, even a nurse, you're done. But go-lives are
required so good luck.
- Training environment is messed up, badly. Testing here is also done very
poorly, that's why the company needs like 6 months to stabilize a version
and they promise to deliver new version every year.
Advice to Senior Management
- Train and pick your Team Leads, seriously
- Allow feedback about management levels
- Sketch the future, world domination is not a valid one
- Don't use twisted statistics

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 最近Epic在系统性的大幅裁员，有传闻公司遇到财务困难。
: 被裁的很多都是中国和东亚的H1b员工（Epic 内部歧视亚裔几乎都是公开的秘密），完
: 全没有提前通知，很多人都是立刻通知当天走人。每个组都至少裁掉了1-2个，有的整
: 个组都被裁掉了。
: 很多人都是才来2年左右的，当年被很多空头许诺骗来放弃很多很好的offer (我认识一
: 个放弃MS SDET的offer来的），但是等被fire的时候才发现这些许诺没有一个是写在
: agreement里面的。
: 最近HR在搞全公司skill assessment, 其实就是预示这近期要有大幅裁员。
: 这种Private的公司最好别来，CEO一人专断，公司业绩完全不公开。每每公司大会也都
: 是报喜不报忧，没人知道公司到底在发生什么。

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

46 楼

lol, world domination.
I always liked that one.

Current

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: 转一个Glassdoor review:
: Epic Systems Corporation Software Developer in Verona, WI: (Current
: Employee)
: “You'll ruin your life working here”
: 9 of 10 people found this helpful
: Pros
: - Great benefit package, insurance is cheap and covers everything
: - Good pay, especially for fresh grads
: - Really nice campus with unique design
: - Subsidized food (very cheap and healthy)

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

47 楼

Yeah, I found it funny too, and they just keep repeating it during the staff
meeting.
Now they move the staff meeting to early morning and made it mandatory.

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: lol, world domination.
: I always liked that one.
:
: Current

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

48 楼

All the information you have is either misleading or subjective.
500 dev? no, 767 SD as of today and 113 EDI (Technical PM)
financial crisis? no, they are living on cash the CEO does not like any debt
. plus 300+ people are starting every month recently, are they just free
labor?
firing Asians on purpose? not really, there is certain rules for firing, it
is just not disclosed though. but yah, the motto CEO once (and only once)
told press is "Hire slow, Fire fast"
lay off certain group? come on... give me a name before making vague
arguments
I fully understand your frustration over your career at Epic, which is
commonly seen on glassdoor or indeed.

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: I went off before they can. 2/3 of the Asians are fired/left in my group.
: All the information is what I know before I left or heard from people who
: are left/fired after me

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

49 楼

so true.
The time i spent in Epic are the happiest years in my life.
I do 3 hours of work everday, spend 4 hours in lunch room. and chat 1 hour
on MITBBS.
I　hope all places are more like Epic.

debt
it

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: All the information you have is either misleading or subjective.
: 500 dev? no, 767 SD as of today and 113 EDI (Technical PM)
: financial crisis? no, they are living on cash the CEO does not like any debt
: . plus 300+ people are starting every month recently, are they just free
: labor?
: firing Asians on purpose? not really, there is certain rules for firing, it
: is just not disclosed though. but yah, the motto CEO once (and only once)
: told press is "Hire slow, Fire fast"
: lay off certain group? come on... give me a name before making vague
: arguments

f*42014-06-18 07:06

50 楼

呵呵，我越用越不敢说自己熟悉uml和design pattern
看到简历上写精通的人，只能说无知者无畏

【在 n**z 的大作中提到】

: 楼主火气不要太大。我绝对反对公司裁员。UML那东西看两天不就熟悉了吗。
: Design Pattern傻瓜书也很有意思。
: 。

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

51 楼

translation?

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

52 楼

为啥不可以？
UML is just a tool.

【在 f****4 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵，我越用越不敢说自己熟悉uml和design pattern
: 看到简历上写精通的人，只能说无知者无畏

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

53 楼

Oh really?
Then show me Epic financial report if you please, how much did they net and
how much did they spend, how much saving does it has? Can you
Yes, 300+ people starts, how many are SD? and can you say that you are
irreplaceable? Is there anything you (I assume you get paid 100k+)can do
cannot be done by a newbie paid 60k in 6 months?
Check with ppl from Radiant and Stork, check how many are fired in the past
few months, some teams in Stork are eliminated, everyone except TL is fired.
And if you want to believe every word what Judy said, so be it, you just
want to be brainwashed. But what Judy said during the staff meeting that "
Cloud technology is overestimate" has become a joke in the industry already,
even MS recruiter knows.
Keep up your good work in taking over the world, I won't be in your way

debt
it

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: All the information you have is either misleading or subjective.
: 500 dev? no, 767 SD as of today and 113 EDI (Technical PM)
: financial crisis? no, they are living on cash the CEO does not like any debt
: . plus 300+ people are starting every month recently, are they just free
: labor?
: firing Asians on purpose? not really, there is certain rules for firing, it
: is just not disclosed though. but yah, the motto CEO once (and only once)
: told press is "Hire slow, Fire fast"
: lay off certain group? come on... give me a name before making vague
: arguments

n*z2014-06-18 07:06

54 楼

你们两位的讨论
有没有中文摘要。

and
past
fired.

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: Oh really?
: Then show me Epic financial report if you please, how much did they net and
: how much did they spend, how much saving does it has? Can you
: Yes, 300+ people starts, how many are SD? and can you say that you are
: irreplaceable? Is there anything you (I assume you get paid 100k+)can do
: cannot be done by a newbie paid 60k in 6 months?
: Check with ppl from Radiant and Stork, check how many are fired in the past
: few months, some teams in Stork are eliminated, everyone except TL is fired.
: And if you want to believe every word what Judy said, so be it, you just
: want to be brainwashed. But what Judy said during the staff meeting that "

f*42014-06-18 07:06

55 楼

呵呵，要是你们这的uml都是指能画uml的tool比如viso的话，当我啥都没说过。。。

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 为啥不可以？
: UML is just a tool.

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

56 楼

...duh
UML就是那些东西。
it's your idea that matters.

【在 f****4 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵，要是你们这的uml都是指能画uml的tool比如viso的话，当我啥都没说过。。。

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

57 楼

Look, you knew Epic is privately owned, so an employee like me who did not
execute stock option has no access to the report. From a personal
perspective, as long as my paycheck is delivered on time, could not care
less about things like net profits.
Surely there are things I can do better than new hires. Unfortunately, the
starting salary is already very close to 100K (per policy, I could not
disclose the exact number). "60k in 6 months" is even lower than the LCA
they file for the position of SD.
Radiant sucks because of the KLAS, every one knows! OB, well, I did not
check with them frequently enough to know anything there.
What Judy said could be true or false, even Bill Gates had said 640k was
enough, not surprising at all for a "65" CEO to make mistakes!
Short conclusion, Epic was/is/will not (be) perfect and certainly has tons
of problems. The reason I jumped on this post is very simple, I just could
not stand people saying "I heard/I was told/Some one says" (when I do know
the facts).
Finally, congratulations for OP's new job, I am sure he enjoys the new one
much better. After all, all Chinese, united!

and
past
fired.

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】

: Oh really?
: Then show me Epic financial report if you please, how much did they net and
: how much did they spend, how much saving does it has? Can you
: Yes, 300+ people starts, how many are SD? and can you say that you are
: irreplaceable? Is there anything you (I assume you get paid 100k+)can do
: cannot be done by a newbie paid 60k in 6 months?
: Check with ppl from Radiant and Stork, check how many are fired in the past
: few months, some teams in Stork are eliminated, everyone except TL is fired.
: And if you want to believe every word what Judy said, so be it, you just
: want to be brainwashed. But what Judy said during the staff meeting that "

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

58 楼

re
i think he's just sore. But, about what????
shouldn't we all be happy when we leave the shithole?

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: Look, you knew Epic is privately owned, so an employee like me who did not
: execute stock option has no access to the report. From a personal
: perspective, as long as my paycheck is delivered on time, could not care
: less about things like net profits.
: Surely there are things I can do better than new hires. Unfortunately, the
: starting salary is already very close to 100K (per policy, I could not
: disclose the exact number). "60k in 6 months" is even lower than the LCA
: they file for the position of SD.
: Radiant sucks because of the KLAS, every one knows! OB, well, I did not
: check with them frequently enough to know anything there.

f*42014-06-18 07:06

59 楼

虽然我不是uml砖家，但是你要有兴趣可以去查一下uml standard 2.0和1.2的异同，应
该还能找到不少2.0标准出来前的口水战的文章
你要没兴趣就当我啥都没说过
"你上次design的时候，用UML画的类图，时序图看起来东西非常清楚啊。能不能把这个
模块里面多个线程的同步等待这些的东西也画一下啊？"
"..."

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: ...duh
: UML就是那些东西。
: it's your idea that matters.

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

60 楼

没兴趣

【在 f****4 的大作中提到】

: 虽然我不是uml砖家，但是你要有兴趣可以去查一下uml standard 2.0和1.2的异同，应
: 该还能找到不少2.0标准出来前的口水战的文章
: 你要没兴趣就当我啥都没说过
: "你上次design的时候，用UML画的类图，时序图看起来东西非常清楚啊。能不能把这个
: 模块里面多个线程的同步等待这些的东西也画一下啊？"
: "..."

b*e2014-06-18 07:06

61 楼

来Epic工作是我人生中最最错误的一笔，白白浪费了几年大好的青春，现在虽然费了九
牛二虎之力跳出了Epic，但每每想起浪费的这几年还是后悔不已呀。所以我劝版上的兄
弟最好还是不要来Epic,宁肯多花几个月，少玩点，找个好点的工作。
我一直很好奇小饭是哪个组的，他是我认识的人中第一个觉得Epic好的，另外他应该来
这时间不长，不过还是要表扬下他帮同胞的心情，这是难能可贵的。
和我差不多时候来的那批基本上都走了，引用下我们那时候的口号，"珍惜生命，远离
Epic".

【在 n**z 的大作中提到】

: 你们两位的讨论
: 有没有中文摘要。
:
: and
: past
: fired.

a*n2014-06-18 07:06

62 楼

我前年去过onsite，给我印象就是环境很好，食堂不错。

s*y2014-06-18 07:06

63 楼

I still have a question. What is the VB means in Epic?
Visual Basic?

【在 b********e 的大作中提到】

: 来Epic工作是我人生中最最错误的一笔，白白浪费了几年大好的青春，现在虽然费了九
: 牛二虎之力跳出了Epic，但每每想起浪费的这几年还是后悔不已呀。所以我劝版上的兄
: 弟最好还是不要来Epic,宁肯多花几个月，少玩点，找个好点的工作。
: 我一直很好奇小饭是哪个组的，他是我认识的人中第一个觉得Epic好的，另外他应该来
: 这时间不长，不过还是要表扬下他帮同胞的心情，这是难能可贵的。
: 和我差不多时候来的那批基本上都走了，引用下我们那时候的口号，"珍惜生命，远离
: Epic".

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

64 楼

LOL

【在 s*****y 的大作中提到】

: I still have a question. What is the VB means in Epic?
: Visual Basic?

s*y2014-06-18 07:06

65 楼

Is that all? Or just some broup?
My friend in Epic told me he use C#.

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: LOL

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

66 楼

consider him no longer a friend.

【在 s*****y 的大作中提到】

: Is that all? Or just some broup?
: My friend in Epic told me he use C#.

g*e2014-06-18 07:06

67 楼

lol

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: consider him no longer a friend.

c*y2014-06-18 07:06

68 楼

哈哈，狠

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: consider him no longer a friend.

b*e2014-06-18 07:06

69 楼

你每天有3个小时吗？我记得你晚上去赌场，然后早上直接来食堂，聊完一桌再换一桌
，然后2点回去睡午觉，醒了干会活就一栋一栋的视察，应该就一两个小时吧，肯定没
有3个小时。我还记得问过你，忙吗？你说有3个qa notes,我说一个星期的活吗，您老
来句“这个phase的”,俺差点晕倒。不过，你那几年确实过的爽。
言归正传，你现在在哪个公司高就？

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: so true.
: The time i spent in Epic are the happiest years in my life.
: I do 3 hours of work everday, spend 4 hours in lunch room. and chat 1 hour
: on MITBBS.
: I　hope all places are more like Epic.
:
: debt
: it

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

70 楼

确实爽，呵呵。
Consulting的活，消微忙些，不过也不错。
拿到了Cerner的Offer，还不知道该不该去。
Cerner比Epic好。

【在 b********e 的大作中提到】

: 你每天有3个小时吗？我记得你晚上去赌场，然后早上直接来食堂，聊完一桌再换一桌
: ，然后2点回去睡午觉，醒了干会活就一栋一栋的视察，应该就一两个小时吧，肯定没
: 有3个小时。我还记得问过你，忙吗？你说有3个qa notes,我说一个星期的活吗，您老
: 来句“这个phase的”,俺差点晕倒。不过，你那几年确实过的爽。
: 言归正传，你现在在哪个公司高就？

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

71 楼

透露下价钱

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 确实爽，呵呵。
: Consulting的活，消微忙些，不过也不错。
: 拿到了Cerner的Offer，还不知道该不该去。
: Cerner比Epic好。

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

72 楼

比Epic差
不然我早去了

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: 透露下价钱

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

73 楼

干...

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 比Epic差
: 不然我早去了

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

74 楼

不过环境好啊。
阳光灿烂。美女如云。
用21世纪的东西。

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: 干...

b*e2014-06-18 07:06

75 楼

不过据说cerner也挺累的，我毕业那会面过，好像他们turn over也挺高的。你可以去
做consulting呀，最近好多人找我做consulting,上来就说at least 6 figure salary,
or 80 --- 100 /hr,但是给我再多的钱俺也不去，再也不像碰epic的那些东西了，什
么master file, record,item,cache,通通见鬼去吧，再也不想看到这些东西了。呵呵
，那些companion，我全部扔到垃圾箱了。

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 确实爽，呵呵。
: Consulting的活，消微忙些，不过也不错。
: 拿到了Cerner的Offer，还不知道该不该去。
: Cerner比Epic好。

b*e2014-06-18 07:06

76 楼

最近赌市运气如何？

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: 确实爽，呵呵。
: Consulting的活，消微忙些，不过也不错。
: 拿到了Cerner的Offer，还不知道该不该去。
: Cerner比Epic好。

b*e2014-06-18 07:06

77 楼

BOA不用，TD ameritrade用的cache.

【在 v***n 的大作中提到】

: 干...

m*l2014-06-18 07:06

78 楼

你现在做的Trading怎么样？好玩吗？
Quant版上老是说最近很差

【在 b********e 的大作中提到】

: BOA不用，TD ameritrade用的cache.

m*n2014-06-18 07:06

79 楼

I am very happy leaving Epic, I just regret I haven't realized and left
earlier.
Now I think I should write something to warning people who do not know and
will be lure into this shithole again. Especially those who are 忽悠 by 小饭

【在 m********l 的大作中提到】

: re
: i think he's just sore. But, about what????
: shouldn't we all be happy when we leave the shithole?

v*n2014-06-18 07:06

80 楼

我刚看过了guru, OB是在重建的样子的确被雷的差不多了
源头和Radiant是一样的 KLAS上OB今年前五个月死的太惨了
我很期待你的揭秘贴呵呵
我没有lure过人，版上和我打过电话/发过邮件的xdjm不下五十人
群众的眼睛是雪亮的
关于VB6，的确不是可以用来在未来推销自己的技能
关于Cache，我还是认识好几个小印靠这个找到工作的
Epic的招工要求在市场上是low ball的没什么疑问
但是也有人需要甚至喜欢这种类型的工作（比如小饭）
工资是有吸引力的考虑到WISC三十万就能买大房开好车
不是所有程序员都喜欢用最酷的科技编世界上最好的软件
软件业三十年来真正占领市场的都不是技术最好或者用户体验最佳的产品
就像小饭自己从护士那里听到的"I have been on Epic for 4 years, it works."
Yah, it works, it is a pretty big deal.
本来不想扯下面的部分的
还是扯吧