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l*o2014-09-22 07:09

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现在正在搞PERM，job listing什么的，小公司，老板和我关系很好，buddy and buddy
。他让我自己代表公司搞recruitment，包括可以access email什么的。。。另外我自
己也觉得自己以公司的名义搞会快点，让他小蜜搞慢死。。。
不知道这样做有没有问题。。。有没有风险？

A*e2014-09-22 07:09

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ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
do.”
链接：
http://metode.cat/en/Issues/Interview/Randy-Schekman

z*i2014-09-22 07:09

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材料准备齐全防止被audit，和律师商量好，其实问题不大

s*c2014-09-22 07:09

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赞！

s*c2014-09-22 07:09

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没有问题，材料准备齐全就ok了。

D*a2014-09-22 07:09

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哈哈哈，只是不知这50篇可是HHMI，welcome trust等发的

l*o2014-09-22 07:09

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被audit是不是把recruitment的材料一交就可以了啊？EB3被audit的机率高么？

j*i2014-09-22 07:09

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好玩！

s*y2014-09-22 07:09

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哈哈哈。
有意思！坐等大牛们互相打脸。

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

y*i2014-09-22 07:09

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这个头开得好。

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

x*e2014-09-22 07:09

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看来革命要开始了啊

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

d*t2014-09-22 07:09

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哈哈，有戏看了

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

L*s2014-09-22 07:09

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这些造假文章的作者如今已经是学霸了，而且很多是多个学霸联合造假的窝案，我看要
么不敢检验，要么检验报告也作假。这和反贪局反贪一个道理，越反越腐。

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.0.1

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈哈。
: 有意思！坐等大牛们互相打脸。
:
: foundation
: reproducibility.
: getting
: to

m*e2014-09-22 07:09

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这个行业有希望了

F*p2014-09-22 07:09

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可以预测大多数被选中的文章的大多数实验是可重复的，少数不可重复不影响结论，少
数实验受才能等客观限制不能做。

F*Q2014-09-22 07:09

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检验重复性并不等于验证正确性。一些系统性假象是可以重复的。

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

m*u2014-09-22 07:09

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觉得数据可信才有高引用吧？我认为还是得废除现在文章编故事的模式，凡是有意义的
结果都可以公布到网上供参考讨论，发出来的结果必须把原始数据存在云端供检索查阅
。不存的不能发布。成果评价按点击率，下载和评论热度打分。废除现在杂志的影响因
子模式。

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

m*u2014-09-22 07:09

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说检验很多不好办。比如gene knockout。难道还要去养作者发表文章用的老鼠？有的
是临床病例，病人早不在了

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

s*92014-09-22 07:09

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为什么检验高引用率而不是低引用率的文章？
如果最后发现这50篇重复率高，说明Reproducibility Project至少在cancer biology
领域可以推广的，下一步可以去重复引用率低的文章；如果很多不能重复，结论可以是
整个学术界的论文不可靠，或者这个验证办法不好实施（前者打击太大，估计是后者）
。所以这就是在验证成立这样机构的可行性而已。

r*t2014-09-22 07:09

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说明做这一行的都很清楚造假很普遍

s*92014-09-22 07:09

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但是我还是怀疑即使证明这个验证办法可以推广了，真正推广还是很难。对此Randy自
己心里有数，估计试着做点灯人。

biology

【在 s******9 的大作中提到】

: 为什么检验高引用率而不是低引用率的文章？
: 如果最后发现这50篇重复率高，说明Reproducibility Project至少在cancer biology
: 领域可以推广的，下一步可以去重复引用率低的文章；如果很多不能重复，结论可以是
: 整个学术界的论文不可靠，或者这个验证办法不好实施（前者打击太大，估计是后者）
: 。所以这就是在验证成立这样机构的可行性而已。

O*e2014-09-22 07:09

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50 篇引用最高的文章。。。引用都那么高了，绝大多数已经经过了考验，又何必这样
浪费时间精力去搞什么验证？要有诚意去暴露作假，就应该随机抽取CNS上10年来发表的
Cancer biology文章来重复。
这种作秀的行为，eLife又何必呢？！

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

m*u2014-09-22 07:09

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也有可能人家的目的恰恰相反，不是要揭丑而是遮丑。证明研究是可信的，再进一步向
NIH要钱

表的

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】

: 50 篇引用最高的文章。。。引用都那么高了，绝大多数已经经过了考验，又何必这样
: 浪费时间精力去搞什么验证？要有诚意去暴露作假，就应该随机抽取CNS上10年来发表的
: Cancer biology文章来重复。
: 这种作秀的行为，eLife又何必呢？！
:
: foundation
: reproducibility.
: getting
: to

j*j2014-09-22 07:09

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正解！

【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】

: 也有可能人家的目的恰恰相反，不是要揭丑而是遮丑。证明研究是可信的，再进一步向
: NIH要钱
:
: 表的

y*i2014-09-22 07:09

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我觉得先有个开头。成为行业习规了以后在慢慢拓展也不错。先把“检验”这个大伙
不熟悉的机制建立起来，价值比立刻抓出造假大得多。开始就摆出要砍一批人头的架势
，肯定有无数抵抗。比如被抓的会觉得不公平，上万篇文章抽50篇怎么这么巧就抽到我
。然后一堆官司，淹没主题。

表的

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】

: 50 篇引用最高的文章。。。引用都那么高了，绝大多数已经经过了考验，又何必这样
: 浪费时间精力去搞什么验证？要有诚意去暴露作假，就应该随机抽取CNS上10年来发表的
: Cancer biology文章来重复。
: 这种作秀的行为，eLife又何必呢？！
:
: foundation
: reproducibility.
: getting
: to

O*s2014-09-22 07:09

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either prove or disprove, this reproducibility study will provide nothing
new other than the ashes of burning money

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

p*e2014-09-22 07:09

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这个private foundation分明是要让大家相信这个领域的reproducibility很高，要不然
为什么要挑50篇引用数最高的，而不是随机挑50篇影响因子高的来验证
再者一说，如果揭露出来reproducibility很低，对这个foundation又有什么好处，除非
他的头头是方舟子

foundation
reproducibility.
getting
to

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: ELife 编辑Randy Schekman 在访谈中说：“We've been approached by an
: organization called the Reproducibility Project, where a private foundation
: has agreed to provide funds for experiments in the fifty most highly cited
: papers in cancer biology to be reproduced, and the work will be contracted
: out to laboratories for replication. And we've agreed to handle this and
: eventually to publish the replication studies, so we'll see, you know, at
: least with these fifty papers. How many of them really have reproducibility.
: The reproducibility studies will be published in eLife. We're just getting
: going in that, so it may be a couple of years, but that's what we'd like to
: do.”

M*c2014-09-22 07:09

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赞！！！