G*h
2 楼
国产软件有前途
务实, 好用, 没有花架子
就是现在为了赚钱搞得很野蛮很粗鲁
多点投资, 应该能好点吧
务实, 好用, 没有花架子
就是现在为了赚钱搞得很野蛮很粗鲁
多点投资, 应该能好点吧
m*y
3 楼
Yang Y, et al. Ketamine blocks bursting in the lateral habenula to rapidly
relieve depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25509.
Cui YH, et al. Astroglial Kir4.1 in the lateral habenula drives neuronal
bursts in depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25752.
http://www.hailanhu-lab.net/
relieve depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25509.
Cui YH, et al. Astroglial Kir4.1 in the lateral habenula drives neuronal
bursts in depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25752.
http://www.hailanhu-lab.net/
t*3
4 楼
同求! 另外大家都深怎么找自己适合自己的matress? 去哪个店里试比较好呢?
d*y
5 楼
copycat太多,怎么挣钱?
g*n
6 楼
人的depression是什么?
老鼠的depression是什么?
就扯吧。
老鼠的depression是什么?
就扯吧。
L*H
7 楼
我刚订的
可以refer吗?
可以refer吗?
G*h
8 楼
qq 怎么挣钱的?
d*m
9 楼
老鼠表示我那是乐呵着呢
M*a
10 楼
同求refer,谢谢啦。
x*0
11 楼
qq 是免费的。现在国内,大部分只有server端控的制软件才能挣钱,比如网游。
l*y
13 楼
铜球~
x*6
15 楼
楼上的同学们也别酸了,生物目前的发展水平就是很低,一些基本的东西都不了解,只
能摸着石头过河。
如果一定要批评这种工作是扯淡的话,也是洋大人发起的妖风,有本事去酸始作俑者洋
大人去;只知道对同胞指手画脚,非君子所为。
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Yang Y, et al. Ketamine blocks bursting in the lateral habenula to rapidly
: relieve depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25509.
: Cui YH, et al. Astroglial Kir4.1 in the lateral habenula drives neuronal
: bursts in depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25752.
: http://www.hailanhu-lab.net/
能摸着石头过河。
如果一定要批评这种工作是扯淡的话,也是洋大人发起的妖风,有本事去酸始作俑者洋
大人去;只知道对同胞指手画脚,非君子所为。
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Yang Y, et al. Ketamine blocks bursting in the lateral habenula to rapidly
: relieve depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25509.
: Cui YH, et al. Astroglial Kir4.1 in the lateral habenula drives neuronal
: bursts in depression. 2018. Nature, doi:10.1038/nature25752.
: http://www.hailanhu-lab.net/
g*n
18 楼
哪里看出来只对同胞酸,不对洋大人酸?科学不是没国界吗?
l*i
22 楼
同求,谢谢
A*D
23 楼
国内的投资需要你一年以内给回报,软件业稍微大一点的project怎么可能一年给回报
?
?
s*3
26 楼
绿坝啊 大有“钱”途
l*i
28 楼
我打算买这个
http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-extra-fm-matt.html
【在 w******0 的大作中提到】
: 请问买哪个啊? 我也正在看呢
:
: 同求,谢谢
http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-extra-fm-matt.html
【在 w******0 的大作中提到】
: 请问买哪个啊? 我也正在看呢
:
: 同求,谢谢
t*x
32 楼
软件不用投钱,
中国投资硬件,看看天朝蓬勃向上。
美帝投资软件,看看美国江河日下。
高下立现。
中国投资硬件,看看天朝蓬勃向上。
美帝投资软件,看看美国江河日下。
高下立现。
w*0
34 楼
恩。你看的是WORLD CLASS。 我看的是CLASS。 听说WORLD好很多。
一个BOX在US-MATTRESS卖300刀,感觉很不划算啊!
要不我也买MATTRESS ONLY算了。。。
我打算买这个
http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-extra-fm-matt.html
【在 l****i 的大作中提到】
: 我打算买这个
: http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-extra-fm-matt.html
一个BOX在US-MATTRESS卖300刀,感觉很不划算啊!
要不我也买MATTRESS ONLY算了。。。
我打算买这个
http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-extra-fm-matt.html
【在 l****i 的大作中提到】
: 我打算买这个
: http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-extra-fm-matt.html
s*8
39 楼
I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
v*e
41 楼
your
model
a
study
understand
你这说法通常是对,然而不一定适合这个特定的研究。首先是这个氯胺酮能治疗忧郁症
是有毒品使用人群证明了的。其次,他们的“sufficient”的研究应该是用的普通老鼠
吧,就是用电极刺激导致忧郁症症状的。这个就算没有model老鼠别的实验室也可以重
复。大家不放心的也就是忧郁症老鼠model是不是有真的忧郁症。这个确实不太好说。
还有自闭症那猴子model,不太好说,因为人的自闭症诊断都不是很清楚。
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
: own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
: to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
: good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
: is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
: why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
: deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
: cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
s*j
45 楼
"就是用电极刺激导致忧郁症症状的"
如果用 电极刺激可以导致忧郁症, 那么当年那个共和党的老女人说用电击来治疗同
性恋, 是不是也可以说是 不是完全没有道理?
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: your
: model
: a
: study
: understand
: 你这说法通常是对,然而不一定适合这个特定的研究。首先是这个氯胺酮能治疗忧郁症
: 是有毒品使用人群证明了的。其次,他们的“sufficient”的研究应该是用的普通老鼠
: 吧,就是用电极刺激导致忧郁症症状的。这个就算没有model老鼠别的实验室也可以重
: 复。大家不放心的也就是忧郁症老鼠model是不是有真的忧郁症。这个确实不太好说。
如果用 电极刺激可以导致忧郁症, 那么当年那个共和党的老女人说用电击来治疗同
性恋, 是不是也可以说是 不是完全没有道理?
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: your
: model
: a
: study
: understand
: 你这说法通常是对,然而不一定适合这个特定的研究。首先是这个氯胺酮能治疗忧郁症
: 是有毒品使用人群证明了的。其次,他们的“sufficient”的研究应该是用的普通老鼠
: 吧,就是用电极刺激导致忧郁症症状的。这个就算没有model老鼠别的实验室也可以重
: 复。大家不放心的也就是忧郁症老鼠model是不是有真的忧郁症。这个确实不太好说。
C*S
48 楼
咱们中国人,还是Google模式最适合。我免费用你的软件,你可以给我发小广告。所以
中国人是很先进的。
中国人是很先进的。
g*n
49 楼
连人的抑郁是什么都不知道,更何谈动物模型。“抑郁”只是医生们把一些相似的症状
归类所给的名词, 没有科学意义。
your
model
a
study
understand
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
: own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
: to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
: good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
: is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
: why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
: deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
: cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
归类所给的名词, 没有科学意义。
your
model
a
study
understand
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
: own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
: to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
: good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
: is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
: why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
: deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
: cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
v*e
53 楼
这说法不一定对。人的恋爱现象也是基于物理、化学过程的复杂现象,不妨碍行为学家
去研究人在恋爱中的行为。他们不需要扎实物理和化学基础。生命现象离物理、化学过
程中间还隔了好几个层级,物理也就在研究蛋白质折叠这些东西上面有用;化学在分子
机理尚有用,更高一级的,由于复杂度增加,有自己的规律,无法完全从物理、化学的
定律上推理出来。就像恋爱中的嫉妒心,用进化论解释比用物理、化学解释更方便。我
自己是物理出身,受的教育是物理是一切的基础,比别的学科都高大上。我很晚才悟出
物理的局限性,属于后知后觉。
【在 x****6 的大作中提到】
: 你的这个说法也对,
: 但是我的表达方式是:生命现象是基于物理、化学过程的复杂现象;生物学不应该单开
: 专业,从业人员从物理学家、化学家里挑选培养,就像美帝的医商法一样,不设本科专
: 业,只有高级的研究生院。
: 换句话说,大部分不具备扎实物理和化学基础的千老可以慢慢歇菜了。
x*6
54 楼
“生命现象离物理、化学过程中间还隔了好几个层级”
这个是对的。
但是生物学和物理学在训练上的最大的区别是前者以识记现象为主,后者以机制和逻辑
为主。导致的后果就是 生命现象本来就够复杂了,结果一帮缺乏逻辑和结构性思维的
千老去研究,就更是一团浆糊。接下来的后果就是生物学变成编故事的游戏,这还没算
各种硬性和软性的造假。
研究复杂现象如生命,尤其的需要物理学家的结构性思维。
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 这说法不一定对。人的恋爱现象也是基于物理、化学过程的复杂现象,不妨碍行为学家
: 去研究人在恋爱中的行为。他们不需要扎实物理和化学基础。生命现象离物理、化学过
: 程中间还隔了好几个层级,物理也就在研究蛋白质折叠这些东西上面有用;化学在分子
: 机理尚有用,更高一级的,由于复杂度增加,有自己的规律,无法完全从物理、化学的
: 定律上推理出来。就像恋爱中的嫉妒心,用进化论解释比用物理、化学解释更方便。我
: 自己是物理出身,受的教育是物理是一切的基础,比别的学科都高大上。我很晚才悟出
: 物理的局限性,属于后知后觉。
这个是对的。
但是生物学和物理学在训练上的最大的区别是前者以识记现象为主,后者以机制和逻辑
为主。导致的后果就是 生命现象本来就够复杂了,结果一帮缺乏逻辑和结构性思维的
千老去研究,就更是一团浆糊。接下来的后果就是生物学变成编故事的游戏,这还没算
各种硬性和软性的造假。
研究复杂现象如生命,尤其的需要物理学家的结构性思维。
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 这说法不一定对。人的恋爱现象也是基于物理、化学过程的复杂现象,不妨碍行为学家
: 去研究人在恋爱中的行为。他们不需要扎实物理和化学基础。生命现象离物理、化学过
: 程中间还隔了好几个层级,物理也就在研究蛋白质折叠这些东西上面有用;化学在分子
: 机理尚有用,更高一级的,由于复杂度增加,有自己的规律,无法完全从物理、化学的
: 定律上推理出来。就像恋爱中的嫉妒心,用进化论解释比用物理、化学解释更方便。我
: 自己是物理出身,受的教育是物理是一切的基础,比别的学科都高大上。我很晚才悟出
: 物理的局限性,属于后知后觉。
o*a
55 楼
all bullshit/
the medication this group uses is ketamine, which is a known med used in
the clinical medicine for sedation, analgesia and quick induction of
analgesia. This med is toxic and causes dependence.
Ketamine is not approved by FDA for treatment of depression.
We do not need a toxic and dangerous drug like morphine or ketamine for
anti-depression.
Mechanism is mechanism. Don't say everything is related to medicine/patient
management. Really too far !
the medication this group uses is ketamine, which is a known med used in
the clinical medicine for sedation, analgesia and quick induction of
analgesia. This med is toxic and causes dependence.
Ketamine is not approved by FDA for treatment of depression.
We do not need a toxic and dangerous drug like morphine or ketamine for
anti-depression.
Mechanism is mechanism. Don't say everything is related to medicine/patient
management. Really too far !
E*1
56 楼
抑郁。。。有的是神经上器质性变化,有的是思维方式问题爱钻牛角尖,有的是受了刺
激这个精神反馈系统失灵,都表现的是抑郁,怎么定义
激这个精神反馈系统失灵,都表现的是抑郁,怎么定义
d*t
57 楼
your
model
a
study
understand
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
: own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
: to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
: good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
: is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
: why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
: deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
: cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
A*y
58 楼
Ketamine has been used in human for depression (off-label). It is also in
low dosage, so you don't see the toxicity effect. A lot of the drug
approval is political, for example, we know the pharmacology of MDMA very
well, and it will probably finally be approved for PTSD treatment. Also,
toxicity is a relative term...water can kill you if you drink too much of it.
Btw, MDMA toxicity depending on what studies that you look at. It either
has no side-effect or it might damage brain. However, if you read the study
carefully, the damaging effect is from amphetamine mixed within MDMA.
All drugs can be abused...I mean people even abuse food product like whip-it
, what can you do...
patient
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: all bullshit/
: the medication this group uses is ketamine, which is a known med used in
: the clinical medicine for sedation, analgesia and quick induction of
: analgesia. This med is toxic and causes dependence.
: Ketamine is not approved by FDA for treatment of depression.
: We do not need a toxic and dangerous drug like morphine or ketamine for
: anti-depression.
: Mechanism is mechanism. Don't say everything is related to medicine/patient
: management. Really too far !
low dosage, so you don't see the toxicity effect. A lot of the drug
approval is political, for example, we know the pharmacology of MDMA very
well, and it will probably finally be approved for PTSD treatment. Also,
toxicity is a relative term...water can kill you if you drink too much of it.
Btw, MDMA toxicity depending on what studies that you look at. It either
has no side-effect or it might damage brain. However, if you read the study
carefully, the damaging effect is from amphetamine mixed within MDMA.
All drugs can be abused...I mean people even abuse food product like whip-it
, what can you do...
patient
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: all bullshit/
: the medication this group uses is ketamine, which is a known med used in
: the clinical medicine for sedation, analgesia and quick induction of
: analgesia. This med is toxic and causes dependence.
: Ketamine is not approved by FDA for treatment of depression.
: We do not need a toxic and dangerous drug like morphine or ketamine for
: anti-depression.
: Mechanism is mechanism. Don't say everything is related to medicine/patient
: management. Really too far !
o*a
59 楼
In term of any benefits patients may get, these two papers are useless. I
instead hope to see a report from a clinical trial, even a 30 participant's
clinical trial is much valuable than a garbage nature report.
In tern of mechanism, these two papers may provide new thoughts.
But, people really care is if ketamine can be used as an antidepressant,
which the two Nature papers provide nothing whereas a simple clinical trial
may provide some hints.
it.
study
it
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Ketamine has been used in human for depression (off-label). It is also in
: low dosage, so you don't see the toxicity effect. A lot of the drug
: approval is political, for example, we know the pharmacology of MDMA very
: well, and it will probably finally be approved for PTSD treatment. Also,
: toxicity is a relative term...water can kill you if you drink too much of it.
: Btw, MDMA toxicity depending on what studies that you look at. It either
: has no side-effect or it might damage brain. However, if you read the study
: carefully, the damaging effect is from amphetamine mixed within MDMA.
: All drugs can be abused...I mean people even abuse food product like whip-it
: , what can you do...
instead hope to see a report from a clinical trial, even a 30 participant's
clinical trial is much valuable than a garbage nature report.
In tern of mechanism, these two papers may provide new thoughts.
But, people really care is if ketamine can be used as an antidepressant,
which the two Nature papers provide nothing whereas a simple clinical trial
may provide some hints.
it.
study
it
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Ketamine has been used in human for depression (off-label). It is also in
: low dosage, so you don't see the toxicity effect. A lot of the drug
: approval is political, for example, we know the pharmacology of MDMA very
: well, and it will probably finally be approved for PTSD treatment. Also,
: toxicity is a relative term...water can kill you if you drink too much of it.
: Btw, MDMA toxicity depending on what studies that you look at. It either
: has no side-effect or it might damage brain. However, if you read the study
: carefully, the damaging effect is from amphetamine mixed within MDMA.
: All drugs can be abused...I mean people even abuse food product like whip-it
: , what can you do...
o*a
60 楼
I don't see how these papers provide an example as "a basic research
gives clinical break-through".
bullshit
gives clinical break-through".
bullshit
o*a
61 楼
凡是说对某某疾病有用的,不管老药/新药,都得上临床试验,才能有真的突破。
x*t
62 楼
基础研究就不要太过多的考虑一定要解决多么重大的问题,纯粹的科研有一部分就是要
理解生物学现象而已。和国内的同僚聊过,太过于强调和重大疾病相关性
your
model
a
study
understand
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
: own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
: to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
: good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
: is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
: why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
: deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
: cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
理解生物学现象而已。和国内的同僚聊过,太过于强调和重大疾病相关性
your
model
a
study
understand
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think you should jump in. It is hard to believe anything out of your
: own hand right now. Scientifically I don't think mouse is a relevant model
: to study human depression, which is a very complicated process. Monkey is a
: good model but given that autism monkey model was iffy, and any monkey study
: is not repeatable because nobody can access their model (i don't understand
: why top journal publish such study even the animal model can't not be
: deposited), i would be away from such studies just like another heavily
: cheating field of longevity using worm as model.
h*o
64 楼
ketamine is not approved for treatment of depression. However, there is a
large number of clinical trials for ketamine as a fast-acting antidepressant.
ketamine is a scheduled drug, currently scheduled III. To compare ketamine
to morphine is quite unfair.....
Your points are valid that there are concerns with ketamine, such as
dissociative amnesia, potential neuronal apoptosis in in neonatal brains (
therefore contraindicated in pediatric use for pediatrics under 3 years of
age).
Therefore, it is important to understand the mechanism of ketamine against
depression, including both its rapid actions and its effects in treatment
resistant depression (TRD), so that new molecules could be developed with
the same or event better efficacy and less side effects. Or at least,
understanding the MOA will instruct the best clinical practice of ketamine,
should it be approved or not.
patient
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: all bullshit/
: the medication this group uses is ketamine, which is a known med used in
: the clinical medicine for sedation, analgesia and quick induction of
: analgesia. This med is toxic and causes dependence.
: Ketamine is not approved by FDA for treatment of depression.
: We do not need a toxic and dangerous drug like morphine or ketamine for
: anti-depression.
: Mechanism is mechanism. Don't say everything is related to medicine/patient
: management. Really too far !
large number of clinical trials for ketamine as a fast-acting antidepressant.
ketamine is a scheduled drug, currently scheduled III. To compare ketamine
to morphine is quite unfair.....
Your points are valid that there are concerns with ketamine, such as
dissociative amnesia, potential neuronal apoptosis in in neonatal brains (
therefore contraindicated in pediatric use for pediatrics under 3 years of
age).
Therefore, it is important to understand the mechanism of ketamine against
depression, including both its rapid actions and its effects in treatment
resistant depression (TRD), so that new molecules could be developed with
the same or event better efficacy and less side effects. Or at least,
understanding the MOA will instruct the best clinical practice of ketamine,
should it be approved or not.
patient
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: all bullshit/
: the medication this group uses is ketamine, which is a known med used in
: the clinical medicine for sedation, analgesia and quick induction of
: analgesia. This med is toxic and causes dependence.
: Ketamine is not approved by FDA for treatment of depression.
: We do not need a toxic and dangerous drug like morphine or ketamine for
: anti-depression.
: Mechanism is mechanism. Don't say everything is related to medicine/patient
: management. Really too far !
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