o*e
3 楼
防疫学 = 西医?
o*e
5 楼
西医药学基本就是上面这两样了,不是么?
o*e
8 楼
解毒剂 -- 分析是化学的功劳吧? 很多蛇毒是传统解药的液体版。 况且急救吸毒还是很常见。
高血压,糖尿病,关节炎,不孕不育 -- 这个西医到现在还是无解。。。
手术方面西医的精进我们没得说,一向承认。
阳痿 -- 用伟哥和吃两斤淫羊藿效果都差不多,也会引起心肌梗塞。。。
过敏 -- 医生告诉我,吃激素。。。。
颅腔积水积血 -- 物理引导以后呢? 抗生素?
脑血栓 / 心脏病 -- 这俩西方发病率比中国高多少?
【在 h*********9 的大作中提到】
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: 什么叫基本就这两样?你被或得蛇咬狗咬/高血压/糖尿病/关节炎/不育不孕/难产/阳痿
: /精神病/夜盲症/贫血/过敏/颅腔积水积血/脑血栓/心脏病等等,西医也只给你开抗生
: 素/干扰素?
h*9
11 楼
懒得跟你这种连一片西医SCI文献都没有看过的人辩论了。自个井中自大吧。
h*n
13 楼
虽然我不太从总体上批评中医或者西医, 也不太喜欢贬低某个人,
但是这个问题上, 我觉得有些同志还学要学习.
但是这个问题上, 我觉得有些同志还学要学习.
a*7
15 楼
是很常见。
》》蛇毒血清听说过不? 啥是“传统解药的液体版"?
或许还不能根治,决有完全征服, 不过也不能叫无解吧? 比如说糖尿病, 降糖药/针
都是相当有效的。 不是有许多所谓治糖尿病的“中药”里头都掺了西药么? 现在又说
西药不管用了?
“用伟哥和吃两斤淫羊藿效果都差不多”这个有什么根据?
你要不就是有病不去看医生, 要不就是看不知什么医生。 换一个吧。
我记得看过一篇文章说过这个。 大意是这两个都是老年病,中国人好多还没到这两个
病的高发年龄, 就因为别的疾病去世了。
不过关键不是哪的发病率高--这个可能有别的因素, 比如说上面说的。
关键是, 发病了, 是中医管用, 还是现代医学管用?
【在 o******e 的大作中提到】
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:
: 例?
: 这种channel对整体影响是啥?
: 针对细胞表面的各种channel的目的是?
g*j
16 楼
高血压: 有五大类,几十种可选药物。
糖尿病:一类 单胰岛素就有十来种,可以相当程度模拟自身的胰岛素。现在一类糖尿
病人可以拥有很好的生活质量。
二类 有近十类,几十种可选药物。
风湿性关节炎:免疫类疾病的药物是这十年发展最快的方向之一。如果你觉得现代医学
只能止痛,那你就大错特错了。
阳痿: (用伟哥和吃两斤淫羊藿效果都差不多,也会引起心肌梗塞)你这话说得好像
已经试过这两种方法,对比过了呀。你有听说过几例吃伟歌吃出心肌梗塞的?
糖尿病:一类 单胰岛素就有十来种,可以相当程度模拟自身的胰岛素。现在一类糖尿
病人可以拥有很好的生活质量。
二类 有近十类,几十种可选药物。
风湿性关节炎:免疫类疾病的药物是这十年发展最快的方向之一。如果你觉得现代医学
只能止痛,那你就大错特错了。
阳痿: (用伟哥和吃两斤淫羊藿效果都差不多,也会引起心肌梗塞)你这话说得好像
已经试过这两种方法,对比过了呀。你有听说过几例吃伟歌吃出心肌梗塞的?
m*n
17 楼
激素 is really stupid.
g*j
18 楼
Yes, your body will function a lot better to live without them. Why not
take away your thryoid, adrenal, parathyroid, and also of course the
testicle/ovary.
take away your thryoid, adrenal, parathyroid, and also of course the
testicle/ovary.
b*i
19 楼
你可以这样告诉说这话的朋友:
一句话就可以显示出来他对西医(现代医学)了解甚少。
把抗生素和干扰素并列起来,会让一个医生觉得很奇怪。
类比来说,就是“美国的科技除了IT和ABS防抱死还有啥”
抗生素,可以说是一个学科。干扰素,是一个产品。
而且,从广义上讲,干扰素抗病毒,可以包括于抗生素之内另外,干扰素还有抗肿瘤等
其他作用。
你可以劝告你的朋友,也许他中医的造诣很深,但是他不适合去反西医。给人感觉像是
无间一样。
一句话就可以显示出来他对西医(现代医学)了解甚少。
把抗生素和干扰素并列起来,会让一个医生觉得很奇怪。
类比来说,就是“美国的科技除了IT和ABS防抱死还有啥”
抗生素,可以说是一个学科。干扰素,是一个产品。
而且,从广义上讲,干扰素抗病毒,可以包括于抗生素之内另外,干扰素还有抗肿瘤等
其他作用。
你可以劝告你的朋友,也许他中医的造诣很深,但是他不适合去反西医。给人感觉像是
无间一样。
m*n
20 楼
刀枪不入 is exaggeration, But many Chinese Med doctors lived over 90 or 100
years. In fact, even patients go to "Old doctor" partially because of long
training, partially because he can look after himself well at least.
years. In fact, even patients go to "Old doctor" partially because of long
training, partially because he can look after himself well at least.
a*7
21 楼
唔, 奇怪的是, 有时候这些上百岁的老中医不少,但现代社会就少见了。为啥?
不知道跟现代社会人口普查制度有没有关系?
张仲景名机,被人称为医圣。南阳郡涅阳(今河南省邓州市穰东镇张寨村,另说河南南
阳市)人。生于东汉桓帝元嘉、永兴年间,(约公元150~154年),死于建安末年(约
公元215~219年)活了七十岁左右。
100
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 刀枪不入 is exaggeration, But many Chinese Med doctors lived over 90 or 100
: years. In fact, even patients go to "Old doctor" partially because of long
: training, partially because he can look after himself well at least.
不知道跟现代社会人口普查制度有没有关系?
张仲景名机,被人称为医圣。南阳郡涅阳(今河南省邓州市穰东镇张寨村,另说河南南
阳市)人。生于东汉桓帝元嘉、永兴年间,(约公元150~154年),死于建安末年(约
公元215~219年)活了七十岁左右。
100
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 刀枪不入 is exaggeration, But many Chinese Med doctors lived over 90 or 100
: years. In fact, even patients go to "Old doctor" partially because of long
: training, partially because he can look after himself well at least.
h*9
22 楼
真搞笑。半点证据都没有就敢胡乱下结论。要我说彭祖还活了800多岁哪。孙悟空不吃
中药还长生不老哪。
你老可曾看过一篇医学科学论文?可曾做过一个正规的医学seminar?你可真敢张大嘴。
100
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 刀枪不入 is exaggeration, But many Chinese Med doctors lived over 90 or 100
: years. In fact, even patients go to "Old doctor" partially because of long
: training, partially because he can look after himself well at least.
中药还长生不老哪。
你老可曾看过一篇医学科学论文?可曾做过一个正规的医学seminar?你可真敢张大嘴。
100
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 刀枪不入 is exaggeration, But many Chinese Med doctors lived over 90 or 100
: years. In fact, even patients go to "Old doctor" partially because of long
: training, partially because he can look after himself well at least.
m*n
23 楼
有时候这些上百岁的老中医不少,但现代社会就少见了。为啥?
The chief doctor of Guangdong Zhongyi Yiyuan is over 90 years old. And he
has a clear mind, has no difficulty in handling his work and his life.
I just saw his interview on CCTV 10.
The chief doctor of Guangdong Zhongyi Yiyuan is over 90 years old. And he
has a clear mind, has no difficulty in handling his work and his life.
I just saw his interview on CCTV 10.
m*n
24 楼
Shaolin Monks could show you Daoqiang Buru, although they are not so
powerful to shield bullets. But can you do their job? Can a boxer do their
job?
powerful to shield bullets. But can you do their job? Can a boxer do their
job?
m*n
26 楼
Narcissim and Scientology prove you have only Fang Zhouzi's IQ. Believe what
you would rather believe is your strategy. As I said before, Chinese Med
Denialism is just another religion that only accept what they think and
learned as truth, others all fake.
I can tell you, I used to get Dianxue by my classmates. I just laughed and
laughed and couldn't stop. I beg his mercy and he Dianed more Xues and I
stopped that. We used to fight a lot during primary school. Once I almost
sufficated him by a
【在 h*********9 的大作中提到】
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: 别傻了,就一个杂技魔术,你还当真了。这种判断能力...
m*n
29 楼
Really?
The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of Chinese, Now.
I have seen so many old female in US that cannot even stand and walk
normally.
And I do see more bone fractures in US among youth.
There was an experiment two groups of seniors. One practice Taiji, and one
practice weight lifting and aerobics. The former outlived the latter.
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
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: 在美国, 过90的老人太多了。
h*9
30 楼
别搞笑了。美国人均寿命78,中国72左右。这个还是在美国肥胖率超过25%的情况下寿命。
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
:
: Really?
: The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of Chinese, Now.
: I have seen so many old female in US that cannot even stand and walk
: normally.
: And I do see more bone fractures in US among youth.
: There was an experiment two groups of seniors. One practice Taiji, and one
: practice weight lifting and aerobics. The former outlived the latter.
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
:
: Really?
: The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of Chinese, Now.
: I have seen so many old female in US that cannot even stand and walk
: normally.
: And I do see more bone fractures in US among youth.
: There was an experiment two groups of seniors. One practice Taiji, and one
: practice weight lifting and aerobics. The former outlived the latter.
g*j
31 楼
US life expectancy 78.06
China life expectancy 72.88
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
It is OK to be ignorant. It is not OK to be stubborn.
China life expectancy 72.88
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
It is OK to be ignorant. It is not OK to be stubborn.
a*7
32 楼
哪来的消息?我倒是知道相反的情况。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Rank ↓ Country/territory ↓ Life expectancy at birth (years) ↓
Overall Male Female
82 People's Republic of China 73.0 71.3 74.8
38 United States 78.2 75.6 80.8
信用呀, 诚信呀、、、
也许是因为更多的female in US活到了行动不便的年纪? 是不是old female in US还
很健康、行动很方便的, 也很多?
看上面的数据。
数据? 你前面也说“The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of
Chinese, Now
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
:
: Really?
: The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of Chinese, Now.
: I have seen so many old female in US that cannot even stand and walk
: normally.
: And I do see more bone fractures in US among youth.
: There was an experiment two groups of seniors. One practice Taiji, and one
: practice weight lifting and aerobics. The former outlived the latter.
h*9
33 楼
miniquan就是大嘴一张,啥东西都不看就敢大肆捏造证据/胡乱下结论。
问他看过几篇医学科技文献,看懂几篇,至今不敢回答提问。
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: US life expectancy 78.06
: China life expectancy 72.88
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
: It is OK to be ignorant. It is not OK to be stubborn.
问他看过几篇医学科技文献,看懂几篇,至今不敢回答提问。
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: US life expectancy 78.06
: China life expectancy 72.88
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
: It is OK to be ignorant. It is not OK to be stubborn.
a*7
34 楼
义和团当年保家卫国, 靠的就是这些绝技呀。
what
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
:
: Really?
: The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of Chinese, Now.
: I have seen so many old female in US that cannot even stand and walk
: normally.
: And I do see more bone fractures in US among youth.
: There was an experiment two groups of seniors. One practice Taiji, and one
: practice weight lifting and aerobics. The former outlived the latter.
what
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
:
: Really?
: The life expectancy of Americans are less than that of Chinese, Now.
: I have seen so many old female in US that cannot even stand and walk
: normally.
: And I do see more bone fractures in US among youth.
: There was an experiment two groups of seniors. One practice Taiji, and one
: practice weight lifting and aerobics. The former outlived the latter.
m*n
35 楼
Okay sorry for the misinformation.
How about Macau, Singapore, Hongkong?
Think carefully before laughing like a Jerk.
How about Macau, Singapore, Hongkong?
Think carefully before laughing like a Jerk.
m*n
38 楼
从你说的例子来看,我看过的医学相关文献至少
是你的上百倍没问题。
Yet not a single of them offers useful advice.
Guangdong Zhongyi Hospital accepted 112 SARS patients, died 7 and cured the
rest.
"谁能真正治好流感早得诺贝尔奖了"
Yuan Longping didn't get a Nobel Prize. Do you think he is not qualified?
Dalai Lama got one. Do you think he was qualified? Appeal to Authority only
reflects your weak argument.
是你的上百倍没问题。
Yet not a single of them offers useful advice.
Guangdong Zhongyi Hospital accepted 112 SARS patients, died 7 and cured the
rest.
"谁能真正治好流感早得诺贝尔奖了"
Yuan Longping didn't get a Nobel Prize. Do you think he is not qualified?
Dalai Lama got one. Do you think he was qualified? Appeal to Authority only
reflects your weak argument.
h*9
39 楼
你完全没有任何医学判断能力。你就像一个文科女大专却妄图评价弦论中的数学问题对错。
the
only
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 从你说的例子来看,我看过的医学相关文献至少
: 是你的上百倍没问题。
: Yet not a single of them offers useful advice.
: Guangdong Zhongyi Hospital accepted 112 SARS patients, died 7 and cured the
: rest.
: "谁能真正治好流感早得诺贝尔奖了"
: Yuan Longping didn't get a Nobel Prize. Do you think he is not qualified?
: Dalai Lama got one. Do you think he was qualified? Appeal to Authority only
: reflects your weak argument.
the
only
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 从你说的例子来看,我看过的医学相关文献至少
: 是你的上百倍没问题。
: Yet not a single of them offers useful advice.
: Guangdong Zhongyi Hospital accepted 112 SARS patients, died 7 and cured the
: rest.
: "谁能真正治好流感早得诺贝尔奖了"
: Yuan Longping didn't get a Nobel Prize. Do you think he is not qualified?
: Dalai Lama got one. Do you think he was qualified? Appeal to Authority only
: reflects your weak argument.
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