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which laptop is better?# Hardware - 计算机硬件
A*Z
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which of the two laptop is worth the money? Is the ASUS brand good? These
two laptops are the new products and I can not find the reviews about the
laptops. I use the computer for internet, online course, watch online movie
and TV. My son (middle school) play games some times. For second laptop, is
the AMD Turion™ II Dual-Core Mobile Processor P560 OK? If change to
Intel® Core™ i3-380M Processor (2.53 GHz, 3MB Cache), it needs $
100 more. If change to Intel® Core™ i5-480M Processor 2.66 GHz (2.
93 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology, it needs $200 more. Is there any
advantge for Intel® Core™ i3 or i5 comparing to AMD Turion™
II Dual-Core Mobile Processor ?
I appreciate if you can give me some suggestions? Thanks.
1. ASUS K72Jr-X5 $699.00
Tech Specs
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
Display: 17.3-inch HD LED-backlit Color-Shine Widescreen (1600 x 900)
CPU: Intel Core i5-450M processor (2.4Ghz to 2.66Ghz with Turbo Boost)
Video: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5145 with 1GB DDR3 VRAM
Wireless: 802.11 b/g/n (@ 2.4GHz)
LAN: 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet
Memory: 4GB DDR3, 2 x SODIMM Sockets
Storage: 320GB, 7,200RPM hard drive
Optical Disc Drive: DVD Super Multi Double Layer Drive
Camera: 0.3 Megapixel
Speakers: Altec Lansing speakers
Microphone: Digital Microphone
Card Reader: MMC/ SD/ Mini-SD /XD/ Memory Stick/ MS Pro/ MS-Duo/ MS-Pro-Duo
Input/Output:
1 x Mic-in
1 x Headphone-out
1 x VGA port/Mini D-Sub 15-pin for external monitor
4 x USB 2.0 ports
1 x HDMI
1 x RJ45 LAN
Battery Pack: 6-cell
Dimensions: 16.7 x 11.2 x 1.5–inches (W x D x H)
Weight: 6.9 pounds (with 6-cell battery)
Color: Espresso Black
2. TOSHIBA Satellite L670D-ST2N04 $549.00
Operating System C1 2
• Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor3 and Graphics4
Vision Technology from AMD-Premium
• AMD Turion™ II Dual-Core Mobile Processor P560
o 2.5 GHz, 2MB L2 Cache
• AMD M880G Chipset
• ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4250 Graphics with 256MB-1917MB
dynamically allocated shared graphics memory
Memory5
• Configured with 4GB DDR3 1066MHz (max 8GB)
• 2 main memory slots. Both slots occupied.
Storage Drive6
• 500GB (5400 RPM); Serial ATA hard disk drive
Fixed Optical Disk Drive7
• DVD SuperMulti drive with Labelflash® supporting 11 formats
o Maximum speed and compatibility: CD-ROM (24x), CD-R (24x),
CD-RW (24x), DVD-ROM (8x), DVD-R (8x), DVD-R DL (8x),
DVD-RW (8x), DVD+R (8x), DVD+R DL (8x), DVD+RW (8x),
DVD-RAM (5x)
o Supports Labelflash® media to burn high quality labels directly on
the disc
Display8
• 17.3” diagonal widescreen TruBrite® TFT display at 1600 x 900
native
resolution (HD+)
o Native support for 720p content
o 16:9 aspect ratio
o LED backlit
Sound
• Built-in stereo speakers
• DOLBY® Advanced Audio™
Input Devices
• Standard Keyboard with 10-Keypad (black)
• Touch pad pointing device with multi-touch control
• Touch pad Enable/Disable
Communications
• Webcam and microphone
• 10/100 Ethernet
• Wi-Fi® Wireless networking (802.11b/g/n)9
• Bluetooth® version 2.1 plus Enhanced Data Rate (EDR)
Expandability
• Memory Card Reader
o Secure Digital, SDHC, miniSD, Memory Stick™, Memory Stick
PRO™ , Multi Media Card [shared slot-adapter may be required]
Ports
• Video
o RGB
o HDMI
• Audio
o Microphone input port
o Headphone output port
• Data
o 3 USB v2.0 ports (2 USB + 1 eSATA/USB combo)
o RJ-45 LAN port
• Security
o Slot for Security Lock
Physical Description
• Fusion® Finish in Helios Black
• Dimensions (W x D x H Front/H Rear): 16.2” x10.6” x 1.10”/1.49”
without feet
• Weight: Starting at 6.61 lbs., depending upon configuration10
Power
• 65W (19V 3.42A) 100-240V/50-60Hz AC Adapter.
o Dimensions (W x H x D): 4.21” x 1.85” x 1.20”
o Weight: starting at 0.55 lbs.
Battery11
• 6 cell/48Wh Lithium Ion battery pack,
• Battery Life Rating (measured by MobileMark™ Productivity 2007
)12
o Included 6 cell battery: 3 hours, 44 minutes
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d*n
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一定要笔记本么?如果玩游戏的话,台式机好一点啊。而且台式机只能在固定地方玩,
容易管理。
cpu的话,intel core i比amd强多了。380M不差,480M显然更好,当然我认为只比380M
值+75。

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【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: which of the two laptop is worth the money? Is the ASUS brand good? These
: two laptops are the new products and I can not find the reviews about the
: laptops. I use the computer for internet, online course, watch online movie
: and TV. My son (middle school) play games some times. For second laptop, is
: the AMD Turion™ II Dual-Core Mobile Processor P560 OK? If change to
: Intel® Core™ i3-380M Processor (2.53 GHz, 3MB Cache), it needs $
: 100 more. If change to Intel® Core™ i5-480M Processor 2.66 GHz (2.
: 93 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology, it needs $200 more. Is there any
: advantge for Intel® Core™ i3 or i5 comparing to AMD Turion™
: II Dual-Core Mobile Processor ?

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d*n
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不过这两个显卡都太差了,除了网页游戏或者桌面游戏,其他的都玩不好。

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【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: which of the two laptop is worth the money? Is the ASUS brand good? These
: two laptops are the new products and I can not find the reviews about the
: laptops. I use the computer for internet, online course, watch online movie
: and TV. My son (middle school) play games some times. For second laptop, is
: the AMD Turion™ II Dual-Core Mobile Processor P560 OK? If change to
: Intel® Core™ i3-380M Processor (2.53 GHz, 3MB Cache), it needs $
: 100 more. If change to Intel® Core™ i5-480M Processor 2.66 GHz (2.
: 93 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology, it needs $200 more. Is there any
: advantge for Intel® Core™ i3 or i5 comparing to AMD Turion™
: II Dual-Core Mobile Processor ?

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A*Z
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Thanks for reply. I have a old desk computer. I do not play game. Only my
son play game. He usually starcraft II or some online games. I do not think
he will play difficult games. How about this 显卡: Mobile Intel® HD
Graphics with dynamically allocated shared graphic memory?
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d*n
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sc2啊,那这肯定不行。intel的显卡不行吧,除了最新的core i系列。
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d*n
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如果真要考虑玩游戏,显卡我会考虑ati hd5650,hd5730这样,nvidia 330M, 425M,
525M以上的吧。
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t*s
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380 +10 换480都不值
P560和i3一个等级,稍差一点
你列的所有显卡都一个等级,供日常使用的,儿子玩游戏买PS3吧,在PC上投入\产出比低
另外你列的两款性价比都属于相当低的,第一款尤其第
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B*W
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Toshiba笔记本现在就是ASUS(华硕)代工的,质量几乎一样
ASUS的一年返修率在各大品牌中是最低的,总体质量很不错。

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【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: which of the two laptop is worth the money? Is the ASUS brand good? These
: two laptops are the new products and I can not find the reviews about the
: laptops. I use the computer for internet, online course, watch online movie
: and TV. My son (middle school) play games some times. For second laptop, is
: the AMD Turion™ II Dual-Core Mobile Processor P560 OK? If change to
: Intel® Core™ i3-380M Processor (2.53 GHz, 3MB Cache), it needs $
: 100 more. If change to Intel® Core™ i5-480M Processor 2.66 GHz (2.
: 93 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology, it needs $200 more. Is there any
: advantge for Intel® Core™ i3 or i5 comparing to AMD Turion™
: II Dual-Core Mobile Processor ?

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t*s
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求数据,谢谢

【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Toshiba笔记本现在就是ASUS(华硕)代工的,质量几乎一样
: ASUS的一年返修率在各大品牌中是最低的,总体质量很不错。
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A*Z
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I am thinking this two laptops are worth the money. Would you please suggest
some laptops with high 性价比 and high qulity? 15-17", HD display for
watching movies. $300-700. Thanks.

比低

【在 t*****s 的大作中提到】
: 380 +10 换480都不值
: P560和i3一个等级,稍差一点
: 你列的所有显卡都一个等级,供日常使用的,儿子玩游戏买PS3吧,在PC上投入\产出比低
: 另外你列的两款性价比都属于相当低的,第一款尤其第

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t*s
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All right. If you want a daily-use one, see these deals
Acer ones
http://dealnews.com/Acer-Aspire-Core-i3-Dual-2.4-GHz-16-Laptop-
http://dealnews.com/Acer-Aspire-Intel-Core-i5-Dual-2.66-GHz-16-
Dell Vostro series 13'' to 17''
http://dealnews.com/Dell-Vostro-Core-i3-2.4-GHz-Laptop-Roundup-
These are similar in specs to the ASUS K72 you mentioned but more than $100
cheaper, right?
If you want one capable for some games, this LENOVO Y560 is good
http://dealnews.com/Lenovo-Idea-Pad-Y560-Core-i5-Dual-2.53-GHz-
All the deals may die at certain time. However you can always find new ones.
They are better than the regular prices on newegg or amazon.

suggest

【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking this two laptops are worth the money. Would you please suggest
: some laptops with high 性价比 and high qulity? 15-17", HD display for
: watching movies. $300-700. Thanks.
:
: 比低

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B*W
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版上很多人贴过无数次了吧

【在 t*****s 的大作中提到】
: 求数据,谢谢
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t*s
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我猜也是这张图,随便找了一下能找到09年的文章用这个图,但是我映像里还要更早
首先各个品牌的产品线和09年已经完全不一样了,ASUS就是最典型的例子;其次这个数
据也很奇怪,这个数据是SquareTrade对他们提供质保的本子做的统计,但是所有品牌
的两年返修率都高于10%?相当诡异的数字,原始文档分析了半天结果,但是我非常怀
疑他们对产品fail的定义。真正的返修率是商业机密,分析起来也没有一样表那么简单。
数据原始出处
http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109

【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: 版上很多人贴过无数次了吧
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c*m
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三年笔记本malfunction返修率超过10%很正常哇。光驱电池都很容易坏,高配显卡三年
内热死的几率也是大大的有。
Asus散热技术好,返修率低些也在情理之中。

单。

【在 t*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我猜也是这张图,随便找了一下能找到09年的文章用这个图,但是我映像里还要更早
: 首先各个品牌的产品线和09年已经完全不一样了,ASUS就是最典型的例子;其次这个数
: 据也很奇怪,这个数据是SquareTrade对他们提供质保的本子做的统计,但是所有品牌
: 的两年返修率都高于10%?相当诡异的数字,原始文档分析了半天结果,但是我非常怀
: 疑他们对产品fail的定义。真正的返修率是商业机密,分析起来也没有一样表那么简单。
: 数据原始出处
: http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109

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B*W
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大部分人恐怕也不关心那个绝对的数值,只要没有各个品牌之间的系统误差,看看排名就行了。关键这个排序跟大家的感觉很贴近,至少不离谱,特别是HP之烂。
产品线不同,生产线,质量控制体系不会有太大变化。不过牌子再好,运气差,碰上了那10%,你也没招儿。

单。

【在 t*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我猜也是这张图,随便找了一下能找到09年的文章用这个图,但是我映像里还要更早
: 首先各个品牌的产品线和09年已经完全不一样了,ASUS就是最典型的例子;其次这个数
: 据也很奇怪,这个数据是SquareTrade对他们提供质保的本子做的统计,但是所有品牌
: 的两年返修率都高于10%?相当诡异的数字,原始文档分析了半天结果,但是我非常怀
: 疑他们对产品fail的定义。真正的返修率是商业机密,分析起来也没有一样表那么简单。
: 数据原始出处
: http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109

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t*s
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你们都说分别中了一些关键点
就是因为有光驱电池作为部分原因,让这个值的参考价值很低,而且样本容量非常小,
某个批次出一个电池门,数据基本就不能看了;其次,虽然看综合比例,不能看个体,
这个很正确,但是还是要看模具,不能看品牌,比如这里列一个TP很低,跑去买SL就杯
具了,而且以AS现在的产品线,K系列内部设计之差,能别的品牌接近已经不容易,估
计能干掉的只有HP。

【在 c*m 的大作中提到】
: 三年笔记本malfunction返修率超过10%很正常哇。光驱电池都很容易坏,高配显卡三年
: 内热死的几率也是大大的有。
: Asus散热技术好,返修率低些也在情理之中。
:
: 单。

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t*s
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像这种东西,品牌可靠度排名,显卡性能柱状图排名之类,结果越是简单越是
misleading,因为现在还没有手段结果让它们这么简单。除了显而易见的,比如HP大部
分系列很烂,顶级显卡性能超过入门显卡,其余参考价值很小。
另外品控是人定的,定成什么样取决于市场策略,不是说一定下来十几年就不会改。一
条线下来的东西千差万别。

名就行了。关键这个排序跟大家的感觉很贴近,至少不离谱,特别是HP之烂。
了那10%,你也没招儿。

【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: 大部分人恐怕也不关心那个绝对的数值,只要没有各个品牌之间的系统误差,看看排名就行了。关键这个排序跟大家的感觉很贴近,至少不离谱,特别是HP之烂。
: 产品线不同,生产线,质量控制体系不会有太大变化。不过牌子再好,运气差,碰上了那10%,你也没招儿。
:
: 单。

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