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s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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这两天有炒作那个Amanda Knox案吗？二三十年的trial热到全民动员。
昨晚看了部电影，讲里约热内卢——“一个莫名其妙就能死在那里”的《上帝之城》，
虽然是完全不同的context，但难免感慨，人命贵贱差别竟可以那么大。

j*n2011-10-05 07:10

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侬突然严素，人家好不适应

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: 这两天有炒作那个Amanda Knox案吗？二三十年的trial热到全民动员。
: 昨晚看了部电影，讲里约热内卢——“一个莫名其妙就能死在那里”的《上帝之城》，
: 虽然是完全不同的context，但难免感慨，人命贵贱差别竟可以那么大。

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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这类永远不知真相的案件，交给美国人一定能被拍成《十二怒汉》，“我们陪审团一票
否决的司法制度是如何公正客观民主blahblahblah”，交给日本人则是《罗生门》，同
你探讨人性是如此这般地深邃与复杂。韩国人会拍成《杀人回忆》，平铺直叙意味深长
。至于在中国，这样的电影是不会成型的，因为人们喜闻乐见的猎奇部分，如sexual
violence，总免不了被的和谐的命数。

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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人家一直都很严肃的嘛~~~~~~~~~

【在 j******n 的大作中提到】

:
: 侬突然严素，人家好不适应

z*e2011-10-05 07:10

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ft.. can't believe this paragraph is written by susu..

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: 这类永远不知真相的案件，交给美国人一定能被拍成《十二怒汉》，“我们陪审团一票
: 否决的司法制度是如何公正客观民主blahblahblah”，交给日本人则是《罗生门》，同
: 你探讨人性是如此这般地深邃与复杂。韩国人会拍成《杀人回忆》，平铺直叙意味深长
: 。至于在中国，这样的电影是不会成型的，因为人们喜闻乐见的猎奇部分，如sexual
: violence，总免不了被的和谐的命数。

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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你到底素who的马甲阿？

【在 z********e 的大作中提到】

: ft.. can't believe this paragraph is written by susu..

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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我记得听说过一个故事，一个俄罗斯人的妻儿死于空难，空难好像是瑞士还是瑞典的塔
台空管疏忽导致的，这哥们追踪到了这个空管，干掉了他。
我觉得死者的家人也应该追踪这两个涉案但是无罪释放的，干掉他们。
这才是部好片。我特别同意以牙还牙。

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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So you still believe Amanda/bf is guilty?

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

: 我记得听说过一个故事，一个俄罗斯人的妻儿死于空难，空难好像是瑞士还是瑞典的塔
: 台空管疏忽导致的，这哥们追踪到了这个空管，干掉了他。
: 我觉得死者的家人也应该追踪这两个涉案但是无罪释放的，干掉他们。
: 这才是部好片。我特别同意以牙还牙。

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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当然了，你信OJ没杀老婆吗？

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: So you still believe Amanda/bf is guilty?

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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你凭什么信呢？DNA？
你真觉得她是 "Foxy" Knox吗？

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

: 当然了，你信OJ没杀老婆吗？

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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我看他bf照片的第一印象就是这个人很邪恶，很冷血。
她和她bf从开始受审起撒了不少难圆的谎，很难想象两个无辜的人会放弃用事实来辩护
而去编织谎言。如果她没有亲手动刀的话，他bf/另一个男的应该是主犯，她至少是从
犯。我绝对不信她是完全无辜的。

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: 你凭什么信呢？DNA？
: 你真觉得她是 "Foxy" Knox吗？

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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展开说说什么谎？
我以前木跟进。

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

: 我看他bf照片的第一印象就是这个人很邪恶，很冷血。
: 她和她bf从开始受审起撒了不少难圆的谎，很难想象两个无辜的人会放弃用事实来辩护
: 而去编织谎言。如果她没有亲手动刀的话，他bf/另一个男的应该是主犯，她至少是从
: 犯。我绝对不信她是完全无辜的。

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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细节太多了，你需要自己看。
简单贴点,还有比如她诬告酒吧老板说是因为警察逼供.在google上可以搜出其他很多的
分析.不过这个东西需要自己看全过程,然后串起来才有意义. 不考虑意大利警察的物证
,从knox晚上到bf公寓到第二天下午他们报案,其间可疑的地方就不少.
doesn't it give you pause why Amanda has given so many accounts. Also her
boyfriend Sollecito did not corroborate her story. She said they stayed home
. He said she went out. They were supposed to watch a video on the computer
but there was no internet activity in the time they state. Phone records
challenge the time stated they had dinner as when they were washing up they
noticed the pipe had leaked water. Why lie about things? If you are innocent
just tell the truth.

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: 展开说说什么谎？
: 我以前木跟进。

s*72011-10-05 07:10

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那么这是否也说明两人一点准备都没有呢？不然那么长时间老早可以把口供给圆了。
至于口供矛盾是很正常的，问你某天某时做了什么，你未必记得，如果正好记得，也有
可能是不好说的事。然后七扯淡八扯说谁谁可能和谁有关系。
你认为他们无罪就可以找出好多理由，你认为有罪也可以找出好多。

home
computer
they
innocent

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

: 细节太多了，你需要自己看。
: 简单贴点,还有比如她诬告酒吧老板说是因为警察逼供.在google上可以搜出其他很多的
: 分析.不过这个东西需要自己看全过程,然后串起来才有意义. 不考虑意大利警察的物证
: ,从knox晚上到bf公寓到第二天下午他们报案,其间可疑的地方就不少.
: doesn't it give you pause why Amanda has given so many accounts. Also her
: boyfriend Sollecito did not corroborate her story. She said they stayed home
: . He said she went out. They were supposed to watch a video on the computer
: but there was no internet activity in the time they state. Phone records
: challenge the time stated they had dinner as when they were washing up they
: noticed the pipe had leaked water. Why lie about things? If you are innocent

M*N2011-10-05 07:10

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同意。
我也觉得应该是无辜的。
再说了，真凶都已经抓到了嘛。

【在 s*******7 的大作中提到】

: 那么这是否也说明两人一点准备都没有呢？不然那么长时间老早可以把口供给圆了。
: 至于口供矛盾是很正常的，问你某天某时做了什么，你未必记得，如果正好记得，也有
: 可能是不好说的事。然后七扯淡八扯说谁谁可能和谁有关系。
: 你认为他们无罪就可以找出好多理由，你认为有罪也可以找出好多。
:
: home
: computer
: they
: innocent

w*m2011-10-05 07:10

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我们看到的都是第n手的，都是之前那些人想让我们看到的

r*r2011-10-05 07:10

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说的好，那个俄罗斯人后来大家都挺同情的，好象被放了
对大家来说，总有某几个人是自己生命中最重要的
如果法律不能给以应当的公平，是个男人，就应该象这个俄罗斯人这样

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

O*o2011-10-05 07:10

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ding

【在 r********r 的大作中提到】

: 说的好，那个俄罗斯人后来大家都挺同情的，好象被放了
: 对大家来说，总有某几个人是自己生命中最重要的
: 如果法律不能给以应当的公平，是个男人，就应该象这个俄罗斯人这样

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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On the evening of 1 November 2007, there was no one at home at the upstairs
flat in which Kercher and Knox lived. One of her Italian flatmates had left
town and Knox was at Sollecito's flat. The four Italian men who shared the
downstairs flat had also left town.[5]:41
At about 6.00 that evening, Kercher began dinner with with three other
English women at one of their homes and watched a DVD of The Notebook.[31]
Kercher said that she felt tired and that she wanted to retire early for the
night. She borrowed a history book, and left to walk home with one of her
friends, Sophie.[32] Parting company with Sophie at about 8:55 pm, she
walked the remaining 500 yards (460 m) to her flat alone.[31]
Knox was expecting to work at Le Chic pub that night, but at 8:18 pm[31] her
employer, Patrick Lumumba, sent her a text message stating that she was not
required because business was slow. She responded by text at 8:35 pm.[31]
When a friend arrived at Sollecito's flat around 8:40 pm, Knox opened the
door.[33]
According to early investigations and post-mortem examination, Kercher died
in the flat between 9 and 11 pm,[31][32] later revised to between 9 pm and 4
am.[34]
At 12:07 pm the next afternoon, Knox called Kercher's UK mobile phone,
ringing for 16 seconds. Knox testified that Kercher had always carried that
phone since she expected calls about her mother's recent illness. One minute
later, she called her flatmate, Filomena, telling her that she had returned
to the flat and found the front door open, and blood in the small bathroom.
Knox called Kercher's second mobile phone and called the first phone again.
The flatmate called Knox back three times. During the final call, which
commenced at 12:34 pm, Knox said that the window in Filomena's's room was
broken and that the room was a mess. At 12:47 pm, Knox called her mother in
Seattle, who told her to call the police. Sollecito then made two calls to
the emergency number 112, at 12:51 and 12:54 pm. He reported a break-in,
blood, a locked door and a missing person.[5]:57-61 However, before the
Carabinieri (National Guard) arrived in response to these calls, two
officers of the Post and Communications Police arrived at 12:35 pm to
investigate the discovery of Kercher's mobile phones near another house.[35]
[36] Knox and Sollecito were outside and told the police that they were
waiting for the Carabinieri, that a window had been broken and that there
were spots of blood in the bathroom.[5]:61-62
As Knox showed the two officers the room with the broken window, the locked
door and the blood in the bathroom, the flatmate she had called earlier
arrived with three friends. The mobile phones were confirmed as belonging to
Kercher. The Carabinieri had not yet arrived and the Post and
Communications Police officers were reluctant to break down the locked door.
Around 1:15 pm, one of the flatmate's friends kicked it open. Kercher's
body was on the floor, covered by a duvet soaked in blood. The officers
ordered all present to leave the flat,[5]:62-65 and the cottage was secured
as a crime scene.

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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她和bf返回她公寓,发现有人失踪,有窗户破,能进她自己/死者屋子的门被锁住,她和bf
居然没有第一时间试图打开门察看?而是打了一连串电话,甚至给美国的母亲打,还是她
妈让她叫警察. 门后来是另外的flatmate的朋友破开的. 这些表现就够奇怪的了.

b*e2011-10-05 07:10

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刚看了别的地方说,她bf试图撞开门未果.被锁的是死者的门,knox已经回去洗澡,并在厕
所发现血迹和未冲得便便,觉得是有人闯入,然后开始和朋友联系.

bf

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

: 她和bf返回她公寓,发现有人失踪,有窗户破,能进她自己/死者屋子的门被锁住,她和bf
: 居然没有第一时间试图打开门察看?而是打了一连串电话,甚至给美国的母亲打,还是她
: 妈让她叫警察. 门后来是另外的flatmate的朋友破开的. 这些表现就够奇怪的了.

s*n2011-10-05 07:10

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enna
看起来也木有很明显的破绽啊

刚看了别的地方说,她bf试图撞开门未果.被锁的是死者的门,knox已经回去洗澡,并在厕
所发现血迹和未冲得便便,觉得是有人闯入,然后开始和朋友联系.
bf

【在 b***e 的大作中提到】

: 刚看了别的地方说,她bf试图撞开门未果.被锁的是死者的门,knox已经回去洗澡,并在厕
: 所发现血迹和未冲得便便,觉得是有人闯入,然后开始和朋友联系.
:
: bf