p*2
2 楼
记得昨天看到个新闻
S*s
3 楼
机顶盒断电以后就不能用了,说是无法接入网络。以前用fios的路由器的时候尽管是用
以太接口上网,还是有根同轴线连接路由器和机顶盒的,现在用自己的路由器,怎么连
?
以太接口上网,还是有根同轴线连接路由器和机顶盒的,现在用自己的路由器,怎么连
?
s*r
4 楼
现在的趋势就是无卡支付,这鸟公司还闹毛啊
f*t
9 楼
怎么可能给员工交待,显然是给VC出货的机会。股票也是VC先解禁,员工排最后
g*g
10 楼
要IPO不说明问题,IPO表现说明问题。
c*n
17 楼
s*r
18 楼
你搞混了手机支付和网上支付,apple pay在手机支付里面是很牛的,现在狗狗吞了
softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
paypal
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 对啊, 不是不work (它这个model 跟paypal apple pay g wallet 没有大区别), 是
: 没有长大, 不光square, 果子的apple pay 那么风光,现在customer base 跟paypal
: 比还是九牛一毛。
: google wallet 一样死掉。
: 这个business , 用户黏性很大, 你技术再牛, 很难把大量用户抢过来。
: 但是square 还是建立了一些用户的,值点钱, 虽然没有想要的那么多
softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
paypal
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 对啊, 不是不work (它这个model 跟paypal apple pay g wallet 没有大区别), 是
: 没有长大, 不光square, 果子的apple pay 那么风光,现在customer base 跟paypal
: 比还是九牛一毛。
: google wallet 一样死掉。
: 这个business , 用户黏性很大, 你技术再牛, 很难把大量用户抢过来。
: 但是square 还是建立了一些用户的,值点钱, 虽然没有想要的那么多
z*o
19 楼
大牛们分析力强,发财的机会来了,
看好S的买,看坏S的空!过段时间就发财了。
看好S的买,看坏S的空!过段时间就发财了。
c*n
20 楼
这么简单说吧。
国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
他们有改硬件么????
point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
client.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你搞混了手机支付和网上支付,apple pay在手机支付里面是很牛的,现在狗狗吞了
: softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
:
: paypal
国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
他们有改硬件么????
point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
client.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你搞混了手机支付和网上支付,apple pay在手机支付里面是很牛的,现在狗狗吞了
: softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
:
: paypal
s*r
22 楼
线上支付可以不需要硬件,有网络就行。支付宝paypal微信都是网络支付,国内的网络
支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 这么简单说吧。
: 国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
: 他们有改硬件么????
: point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
: only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
: client.
支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 这么简单说吧。
: 国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
: 他们有改硬件么????
: point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
: only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
: client.
b*u
23 楼
他家还有一个类似于Paypal的产品,square cash
p*u
24 楼
You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
10B when IPO.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 线上支付可以不需要硬件,有网络就行。支付宝paypal微信都是网络支付,国内的网络
: 支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
: 一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
: Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
: 会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
: 里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
: 机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
10B when IPO.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 线上支付可以不需要硬件,有网络就行。支付宝paypal微信都是网络支付,国内的网络
: 支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
: 一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
: Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
: 会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
: 里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
: 机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
s*r
25 楼
小额支付都是亏钱的,根本不够信用卡的交易费,流量大并不说明赚钱,不然早就上市
了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
例子来套用美国
Apple pay和狗狗的softcard,还有square都是帮着信用卡公司挣钱的,apple是为了卖
手机,狗狗拿到消费数据可以打广告,都不是为了从支付里面赚钱。S的消费数据主要
是小额日常的,买杯咖啡买点菜,没多大价值
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
例子来套用美国
Apple pay和狗狗的softcard,还有square都是帮着信用卡公司挣钱的,apple是为了卖
手机,狗狗拿到消费数据可以打广告,都不是为了从支付里面赚钱。S的消费数据主要
是小额日常的,买杯咖啡买点菜,没多大价值
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
w*z
26 楼
10b?不太可能吧。
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
p*u
27 楼
Square capital has been out there for over a year:)
量大以后他们从chase拿的rate很低的,远非一般business 能比。。
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:小额支付都是亏钱的,根本不够信用卡的交易费,流量大并不说明赚钱,不然早就上
市了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
:例子来套用美国
:...........
量大以后他们从chase拿的rate很低的,远非一般business 能比。。
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:小额支付都是亏钱的,根本不够信用卡的交易费,流量大并不说明赚钱,不然早就上
市了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
:例子来套用美国
:...........
p*u
28 楼
1b revenue, 10b market cap不算太夸张吧
[在 wwzz (一辈子当码工) 的大作中提到:]
:10b?不太可能吧。
:
:...........
[在 wwzz (一辈子当码工) 的大作中提到:]
:10b?不太可能吧。
:
:...........
r*e
30 楼
square最大问题是pos机抽手续费的margin非常低,不像uber/airbnb随便收20-30%,s
收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
致marketing cost居高不下
赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
致marketing cost居高不下
赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
p*u
31 楼
square收2.75%,自己还能留下1/3,这个margin比不上google search ads和fb ads,
但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
:)
s
【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: square最大问题是pos机抽手续费的margin非常低,不像uber/airbnb随便收20-30%,s
: 收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
: 致marketing cost居高不下
: 赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
:
: by
: like
: business
: number
: $
但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
:)
s
【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: square最大问题是pos机抽手续费的margin非常低,不像uber/airbnb随便收20-30%,s
: 收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
: 致marketing cost居高不下
: 赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
:
: by
: like
: business
: number
: $
s*x
32 楼
据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
s*r
33 楼
支付额度低于一个数量不是按照百分比收费的,有个固定费用,你付一块还是两块都要
交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
给信用卡公司的交易费
只有大额支付才有利可图,小额支付的利润还不够塞信用卡公司的牙缝。S对Visa这样
的公司有利,把小额现金交易转变成信用卡,让信用卡公司数钱玩。
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: square收2.75%,自己还能留下1/3,这个margin比不上google search ads和fb ads,
: 但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
: 们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
: 这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
: :)
:
: s
交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
给信用卡公司的交易费
只有大额支付才有利可图,小额支付的利润还不够塞信用卡公司的牙缝。S对Visa这样
的公司有利,把小额现金交易转变成信用卡,让信用卡公司数钱玩。
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: square收2.75%,自己还能留下1/3,这个margin比不上google search ads和fb ads,
: 但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
: 们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
: 这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
: :)
:
: s
p*u
34 楼
Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
appointment etc
lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
其它产品像square cash等不看好
[在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
:据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
appointment etc
lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
其它产品像square cash等不看好
[在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
:据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
p*u
35 楼
看看那些network的interchang fee table 都是几十页的 很复杂的 不像你说那么简单
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:支付额度低于一个数量不是按照百分比收费的,有个固定费用,你付一块还是两块都
要交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
:给信用卡公司的交易费
:...........
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:支付额度低于一个数量不是按照百分比收费的,有个固定费用,你付一块还是两块都
要交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
:给信用卡公司的交易费
:...........
s*m
36 楼
都特么吵个屁啊,等ipo了什么数据不都有了!
愿意赌的,直接奥印不就好了!
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
: register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
: appointment etc
: lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
: Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
: 入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
: 其它产品像square cash等不看好
: [在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
: :据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
愿意赌的,直接奥印不就好了!
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
: register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
: appointment etc
: lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
: Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
: 入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
: 其它产品像square cash等不看好
: [在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
: :据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
B*i
39 楼
$40B transaction without grow ==> $10B market cap?
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【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
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like
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number
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【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
p*2
42 楼
记得昨天看到个新闻
s*r
43 楼
现在的趋势就是无卡支付,这鸟公司还闹毛啊
f*t
48 楼
怎么可能给员工交待,显然是给VC出货的机会。股票也是VC先解禁,员工排最后
g*g
49 楼
要IPO不说明问题,IPO表现说明问题。
c*n
56 楼
s*r
57 楼
你搞混了手机支付和网上支付,apple pay在手机支付里面是很牛的,现在狗狗吞了
softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
paypal
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 对啊, 不是不work (它这个model 跟paypal apple pay g wallet 没有大区别), 是
: 没有长大, 不光square, 果子的apple pay 那么风光,现在customer base 跟paypal
: 比还是九牛一毛。
: google wallet 一样死掉。
: 这个business , 用户黏性很大, 你技术再牛, 很难把大量用户抢过来。
: 但是square 还是建立了一些用户的,值点钱, 虽然没有想要的那么多
softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
paypal
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 对啊, 不是不work (它这个model 跟paypal apple pay g wallet 没有大区别), 是
: 没有长大, 不光square, 果子的apple pay 那么风光,现在customer base 跟paypal
: 比还是九牛一毛。
: google wallet 一样死掉。
: 这个business , 用户黏性很大, 你技术再牛, 很难把大量用户抢过来。
: 但是square 还是建立了一些用户的,值点钱, 虽然没有想要的那么多
z*o
58 楼
大牛们分析力强,发财的机会来了,
看好S的买,看坏S的空!过段时间就发财了。
看好S的买,看坏S的空!过段时间就发财了。
c*n
59 楼
这么简单说吧。
国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
他们有改硬件么????
point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
client.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你搞混了手机支付和网上支付,apple pay在手机支付里面是很牛的,现在狗狗吞了
: softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
:
: paypal
国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
他们有改硬件么????
point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
client.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你搞混了手机支付和网上支付,apple pay在手机支付里面是很牛的,现在狗狗吞了
: softcard,就是要跟apple pay叫板。S在手机硬件上毫无发言权,能搞个毛线
:
: paypal
s*r
61 楼
线上支付可以不需要硬件,有网络就行。支付宝paypal微信都是网络支付,国内的网络
支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 这么简单说吧。
: 国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
: 他们有改硬件么????
: point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
: only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
: client.
支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 这么简单说吧。
: 国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
: 他们有改硬件么????
: point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
: only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
: client.
b*u
62 楼
他家还有一个类似于Paypal的产品,square cash
p*u
63 楼
You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
10B when IPO.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 线上支付可以不需要硬件,有网络就行。支付宝paypal微信都是网络支付,国内的网络
: 支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
: 一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
: Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
: 会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
: 里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
: 机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
10B when IPO.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 线上支付可以不需要硬件,有网络就行。支付宝paypal微信都是网络支付,国内的网络
: 支付要绑定手机,付款通过手机验证,可以没有信用卡但要有手机。手机网络支付还有
: 一个要求就是输入用户名和密码,要比刷卡麻烦
: Apple pay,狗狗的softcard,sqaure属于线下支付,和商家发生面对面交易的时候才
: 会使用,和网络的关系不大。信用卡信息存储在手机的NFC里面,商家的终端读取手机
: 里面的信用卡信息,其余步骤和刷卡没区别。最大的好处是不需要随身携带信用卡,手
: 机丢失了也问题不大,因为手机可以加锁,可以指纹认证,其他人拿去也没法用
s*r
64 楼
小额支付都是亏钱的,根本不够信用卡的交易费,流量大并不说明赚钱,不然早就上市
了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
例子来套用美国
Apple pay和狗狗的softcard,还有square都是帮着信用卡公司挣钱的,apple是为了卖
手机,狗狗拿到消费数据可以打广告,都不是为了从支付里面赚钱。S的消费数据主要
是小额日常的,买杯咖啡买点菜,没多大价值
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business
number
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【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
例子来套用美国
Apple pay和狗狗的softcard,还有square都是帮着信用卡公司挣钱的,apple是为了卖
手机,狗狗拿到消费数据可以打广告,都不是为了从支付里面赚钱。S的消费数据主要
是小额日常的,买杯咖啡买点菜,没多大价值
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
w*z
65 楼
10b?不太可能吧。
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【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
p*u
66 楼
Square capital has been out there for over a year:)
量大以后他们从chase拿的rate很低的,远非一般business 能比。。
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:小额支付都是亏钱的,根本不够信用卡的交易费,流量大并不说明赚钱,不然早就上
市了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
:例子来套用美国
:...........
量大以后他们从chase拿的rate很低的,远非一般business 能比。。
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:小额支付都是亏钱的,根本不够信用卡的交易费,流量大并不说明赚钱,不然早就上
市了。S应该是没有贷款资格,Paypal一直想这样玩了,但法律上不允许,不能拿中国的
:例子来套用美国
:...........
p*u
67 楼
1b revenue, 10b market cap不算太夸张吧
[在 wwzz (一辈子当码工) 的大作中提到:]
:10b?不太可能吧。
:
:...........
[在 wwzz (一辈子当码工) 的大作中提到:]
:10b?不太可能吧。
:
:...........
r*e
69 楼
square最大问题是pos机抽手续费的margin非常低,不像uber/airbnb随便收20-30%,s
收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
致marketing cost居高不下
赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
致marketing cost居高不下
赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
by
like
business
number
$
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
p*u
70 楼
square收2.75%,自己还能留下1/3,这个margin比不上google search ads和fb ads,
但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
:)
s
【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: square最大问题是pos机抽手续费的margin非常低,不像uber/airbnb随便收20-30%,s
: 收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
: 致marketing cost居高不下
: 赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
:
: by
: like
: business
: number
: $
但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
:)
s
【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: square最大问题是pos机抽手续费的margin非常低,不像uber/airbnb随便收20-30%,s
: 收2.75%还得付一大半给V/M/amex。与此同时还有PayPal here这样强大的竞争对手,导
: 致marketing cost居高不下
: 赚得少花的不少,利润空间实在有限
:
: by
: like
: business
: number
: $
s*x
71 楼
据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
s*r
72 楼
支付额度低于一个数量不是按照百分比收费的,有个固定费用,你付一块还是两块都要
交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
给信用卡公司的交易费
只有大额支付才有利可图,小额支付的利润还不够塞信用卡公司的牙缝。S对Visa这样
的公司有利,把小额现金交易转变成信用卡,让信用卡公司数钱玩。
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: square收2.75%,自己还能留下1/3,这个margin比不上google search ads和fb ads,
: 但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
: 们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
: 这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
: :)
:
: s
交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
给信用卡公司的交易费
只有大额支付才有利可图,小额支付的利润还不够塞信用卡公司的牙缝。S对Visa这样
的公司有利,把小额现金交易转变成信用卡,让信用卡公司数钱玩。
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: square收2.75%,自己还能留下1/3,这个margin比不上google search ads和fb ads,
: 但是35%margin也不能算低了吧 像你说的uber也就是20-30%的gross margin,不过他
: 们量大,但是市场推广费用很高
: 这些都是华尔街经过精算的,赚钱是没问题的,大家不需要替VC和Jack Dorsey担心了
: :)
:
: s
p*u
73 楼
Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
appointment etc
lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
其它产品像square cash等不看好
[在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
:据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
appointment etc
lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
其它产品像square cash等不看好
[在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
:据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
p*u
74 楼
看看那些network的interchang fee table 都是几十页的 很复杂的 不像你说那么简单
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:支付额度低于一个数量不是按照百分比收费的,有个固定费用,你付一块还是两块都
要交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
:给信用卡公司的交易费
:...........
[在 swjtuer (灌水和coding都要敲键盘) 的大作中提到:]
:支付额度低于一个数量不是按照百分比收费的,有个固定费用,你付一块还是两块都
要交一样使用费。如果S按照2.75%的来收交易费,5块以下的交易都是亏钱的,因为不够
:给信用卡公司的交易费
:...........
s*m
75 楼
都特么吵个屁啊,等ipo了什么数据不都有了!
愿意赌的,直接奥印不就好了!
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
: register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
: appointment etc
: lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
: Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
: 入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
: 其它产品像square cash等不看好
: [在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
: :据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
愿意赌的,直接奥印不就好了!
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
: register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
: appointment etc
: lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
: Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
: 入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
: 其它产品像square cash等不看好
: [在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
: :据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
B*i
78 楼
$40B transaction without grow ==> $10B market cap?
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【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
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【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: You totally miss the point. Square's core business is their register used by
: millions of offline merchants today. The register can already accept
: plastic card, chip card, Apple pay, or whatever other nfc enabled crap like
: Android pay. As a register, they always take a cut for every transaction
: just like V/MC/AMEX etc. Of course based on the data, they can help business
: to expand from offline only to e-commerce, or advancing loan to business,
: or provide other valued added services like delivery for restaurants.
: Its run rate is still only only 20% of paypal's, but $40B is not bad number
: at all and it's already profitable. I can totally see their valuation over $
: 10B when IPO.
p*u
81 楼
在SQ ATH, market cap过15B时回顾一下以前的讨论:)目测20B没问题
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
: register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
: appointment etc
: lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
: Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
: 入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
: 其它产品像square cash等不看好
: [在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
: :据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
【在 p*****u 的大作中提到】
: Square现在就三大块比较有前途:
: register:core busines + value added service like analytics, dashboard,
: appointment etc
: lending;增长快,margin高,风险低
: Food delivery: leverage Square restaurant merchants, 高增长,低margin,但切
: 入流行的o2o市场,看执行了
: 其它产品像square cash等不看好
: [在 sdlx (sdlx) 的大作中提到:]
: :据说人家已经转到做small business lending 了。原来模式创新性太低。
H*5
82 楼
目前这个分析很透彻哈。
: 对啊, 不是不work (它这个model 跟paypal apple pay g wallet 没有大区别
), 是
: 没有长大, 不光square, 果子的apple pay 那么风光,现在customer base 跟
paypal
: 比还是九牛一毛。
: google wallet 一样死掉。
: 这个business , 用户黏性很大, 你技术再牛, 很难把大量用户抢过来。
: 但是square 还是建立了一些用户的,值点钱, 虽然没有想要的那么多
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 这么简单说吧。
: 国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
: 他们有改硬件么????
: point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
: only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
: client.
: 对啊, 不是不work (它这个model 跟paypal apple pay g wallet 没有大区别
), 是
: 没有长大, 不光square, 果子的apple pay 那么风光,现在customer base 跟
paypal
: 比还是九牛一毛。
: google wallet 一样死掉。
: 这个business , 用户黏性很大, 你技术再牛, 很难把大量用户抢过来。
: 但是square 还是建立了一些用户的,值点钱, 虽然没有想要的那么多
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 这么简单说吧。
: 国内支付宝手机付很普遍吧,微信都可以手机付。
: 他们有改硬件么????
: point is, client is trivial, getting hung up on the actual implementation
: only wastes your time, the biggest hurdle to widespread adoption is not
: client.
x*9
83 楼
看帖打脸?
d*u
84 楼
现在sq的市值已经超过twtr了吧
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