Is that so? Firefox had that notorious memory leak problem since early on. How long did it take for them to fix it? 1 year, 2, 3 or 4? Does it get fixed at all? What happened to that OSS fixes bugs fast hype?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Is that so? Firefox had that notorious memory leak problem : since early on. How long did it take for them to fix it? 1 : year, 2, 3 or 4? Does it get fixed at all? What happened : to that OSS fixes bugs fast hype?
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】 : ft 你念书可以转f1,跟其他学生一样找工作,不一定要等绿卡。
g*g
26 楼
It's not a bug if nobody finds it. It's open source and everyone can log bugs there, that's as complete as it can get. M$ likes to compare the number of bugs found over a year, and by their standard, if it's not a bug found by outsiders, it's not a bug, and they can sneak in and fix it in windows update without reporting to you. I am not surprised M$'s products always have fewer bugs.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : All bugs are here. : 笑死人了。要是所有的bug都在这儿,mozilla就是天下最完美的software了。
x*g
27 楼
everyone can doesn't mean everyone will... as complete as it can get doesn't mean "all bugs are here"...
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : It's not a bug if nobody finds it. It's open source and everyone : can log bugs there, that's as complete as it can get. : M$ likes to compare the number of bugs found over a year, and by : their standard, if it's not a bug found by outsiders, it's not : a bug, and they can sneak in and fix it in windows update without : reporting to you. I am not surprised M$'s products always have : fewer bugs.
g*g
28 楼
I guess if the bug's that notarious, it should have made the list, don't you think?
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : everyone can doesn't mean everyone will... : as complete as it can get doesn't mean "all bugs are here"...
N*n
29 楼
I still remember how that leading QA from Mozilla insisted the memory leak was not a bug but a feature. HOHO. Forget about his name tho.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : All bugs are here. : 笑死人了。要是所有的bug都在这儿,mozilla就是天下最完美的software了。
g*g
30 楼
You know what, IE hasn't been able to be compatible with W3C and they call it a feature too. Now why not show me the link, or it's just a hearsay?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : I still remember how that leading QA from Mozilla insisted : the memory leak was not a bug but a feature. HOHO. Forget : about his name tho.
x*g
31 楼
No need for a link. Just open a few windows and watch firefox's memory footprint grows. That's why I restart firefox at least once a day.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : You know what, IE hasn't been able to be compatible with W3C : and they call it a feature too. Now why not show me the link, : or it's just a hearsay?
z*e
32 楼
抛开MS不谈,我认为Open source的理念压根就是错误的。 什么叫有了bug你自己可以修复?人人都来修复,那真正的商家怎么去保证产品的稳定 性?我又怎么相信你的修复就是可靠的了? windows vista大部分的不兼容是因为以前的第三方软件多少利用了一些比较tricky的 技巧,例如说啊我知道这个指针肯定是这个位置,不必非要去用MS的API,我直接call 这个地址就好了。 同样的行为在linux也存在,而Open Source缺乏这种强制性的统一标准,说白了,开发 者要太监你也没办法。 引用一段slashdot上面的一个评论: Nah, like me, we just got older. When were were young Microsoft was pure evil, Linux was the savior. All the MS did was wrong and all that Linux did was good. Then we entered the real world. Finding the Microsoft actually makes
How about searching Firefox memory leak online instead of acting if there's no such problem here.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : You know what, IE hasn't been able to be compatible with W3C : and they call it a feature too. Now why not show me the link, : or it's just a hearsay?
C*n
34 楼
guess u r living in 2004 memory leak problem is already fixed in ff 2.x, if u still got that problem, either ur addons have problems or u do btw , not all memory increasements were memory leaking
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : No need for a link. Just open a few windows and watch : firefox's memory footprint grows. : That's why I restart firefox at least once a day.
C*n
35 楼
this means u really know nothing about open source software patching , no , u don't really apply ur patch right to the source code and release it to the public call this is kind funny, vista is good, just others dunno how to use it , ur smart ass well, even idiots can comment on slashdot, but only smart ppl can get things done
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】 : 抛开MS不谈,我认为Open source的理念压根就是错误的。 : 什么叫有了bug你自己可以修复?人人都来修复,那真正的商家怎么去保证产品的稳定 : 性?我又怎么相信你的修复就是可靠的了? : windows vista大部分的不兼容是因为以前的第三方软件多少利用了一些比较tricky的 : 技巧,例如说啊我知道这个指针肯定是这个位置,不必非要去用MS的API,我直接call : 这个地址就好了。 : 同样的行为在linux也存在,而Open Source缺乏这种强制性的统一标准,说白了,开发 : 者要太监你也没办法。 : 引用一段slashdot上面的一个评论: : Nah, like me, we just got older. When were were young Microsoft was pure
x*g
36 楼
firefox memory problem never goes away completely. it is better nowadays than 2004. but you'll still notice it speedup a lot once you restart firefox. all chornical memory footprint growth might not be called memory leak. but they are equally bad whatever you call it.
problem,
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : guess u r living in 2004 : memory leak problem is already fixed in ff 2.x, if u still got that problem, : either ur addons have problems or u do : btw , not all memory increasements were memory leaking
C*n
37 楼
hmm, u better learn more, not all growth should be called memory leak, and not all memory leak was caused by ff, and I would say that most website ur ff had problem with were those sites followed IE's stupid js standard (in which it allows tons of mistakes while w3c standard does not). guess u cant learn that
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : firefox memory problem never goes away completely. : it is better nowadays than 2004. : but you'll still notice it speedup a lot once you restart firefox. : all chornical memory footprint growth might not be called memory leak. : but they are equally bad whatever you call it. : : problem,
x*g
38 楼
There are a lot of smart ppl working at MSFT.
, things
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : : hmm, u better learn more, not all growth should be called memory leak, and : not : all memory leak was caused by ff, and I would say that most website ur : ff had problem with were those sites followed IE's stupid js standard (in : which it allows tons of mistakes while w3c standard does not). : guess u cant learn that
N*n
39 楼
The only add-on I had is a Flash Blocker b4 FF3. Every time I opened up to 50 tabs, Firefox began to suck. Sometimes hang for 40 seconds or more frequently. The memory usage was close to 500M. Closing tabs didn't help. The memory usage only grew. If one tab crashed, the other tabs were all gone. The problem was there throughout 1.x and 2.x. Only in 3 does it get real improvement.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : guess u r living in 2004 : memory leak problem is already fixed in ff 2.x, if u still got that problem, : either ur addons have problems or u do : btw , not all memory increasements were memory leaking
C*n
40 楼
Yeah and those smart ppl, when they got into M$, they can only produce shit like windows ME, windows vista guess M$ is worse than u thought , hmm ?
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : There are a lot of smart ppl working at MSFT. : : , : things
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】 : 抛开MS不谈,我认为Open source的理念压根就是错误的。 : 什么叫有了bug你自己可以修复?人人都来修复,那真正的商家怎么去保证产品的稳定 : 性?我又怎么相信你的修复就是可靠的了? : windows vista大部分的不兼容是因为以前的第三方软件多少利用了一些比较tricky的 : 技巧,例如说啊我知道这个指针肯定是这个位置,不必非要去用MS的API,我直接call : 这个地址就好了。 : 同样的行为在linux也存在,而Open Source缺乏这种强制性的统一标准,说白了,开发 : 者要太监你也没办法。 : 引用一段slashdot上面的一个评论: : Nah, like me, we just got older. When were were young Microsoft was pure
Then just cut the crap that everyone can fix, and it's fast. Bug fixes go through strict scrutiny which takes time and it's not like everyone can do it.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Then just cut the crap that everyone can fix, and it's fast. : Bug fixes go through strict scrutiny which takes time and : it's not like everyone can do it.
N*n
45 楼
If I have ver 1.0, and you go fork off one and add changes then it becomes your own burden to be compatible with future versions I produce. My 1.1 or whatever could bring in fixes not working with your change. It becomes messier if you have other code based on your own change. Fork itself could create versioning problems, that's why it's not all that good.
if u want to fork it , u should expect the problems and u can choose not to fork it , its ur choice while with m$, u can hope in 3 years u can get a fix or a new function so I guess u mean that more options is worse than no options ?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : If I have ver 1.0, and you go fork off one and add changes : then it becomes your own burden to be compatible with future : versions I produce. My 1.1 or whatever could bring in fixes : not working with your change. It becomes messier if you have : other code based on your own change. Fork itself could create : versioning problems, that's why it's not all that good.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : If I have ver 1.0, and you go fork off one and add changes : then it becomes your own burden to be compatible with future : versions I produce. My 1.1 or whatever could bring in fixes : not working with your change. It becomes messier if you have : other code based on your own change. Fork itself could create : versioning problems, that's why it's not all that good.
z*e
48 楼
There are WinMe/vista, but there are also Windows NT4/2000/XP. 即便是vista,作为client OS是比较失败,但基于vista的windows 2008 server是非常 出色。
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : Yeah : and those smart ppl, when they got into M$, they can only produce : shit like windows ME, windows vista : guess M$ is worse than u thought , hmm ?
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : if u want to fork it , u should expect the problems : and u can choose not to fork it , its ur choice : while with m$, u can hope in 3 years u can get a fix or a new function : so I guess u mean that more options is worse than no options ?
N*n
52 楼
Having known problems/limits and then finding a recommended work around is much better than creating your own and then have to deal with the burden. And other than this "3-year" fud, where's your proof OSS fixes things faster?
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : if u want to fork it , u should expect the problems : and u can choose not to fork it , its ur choice : while with m$, u can hope in 3 years u can get a fix or a new function : so I guess u mean that more options is worse than no options ?
z*e
53 楼
2008 server怎么不是基于vista内核的?当然有些设定不一样。
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : 2008 server 不是基于vista的 : 而且说实话一个 server os 弄那么花的界面根本没用,不如老老实实的吧 : 该做的做好,我想这也是为什么 svr 2008会出现无GUI的版本的原因吧
C*n
54 楼
based on the bugfix record of IE and FF, I would say OSS fixes things much faster
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Having known problems/limits and then finding a recommended : work around is much better than creating your own and then : have to deal with the burden. And other than this "3-year" : fud, where's your proof OSS fixes things faster?
N*n
55 楼
Exactly. Those big corps sing praise for FOSS only because they like the cheap labor. They have no problem taking away your hard work but you can forget about them opening up source code of their money makers to you.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Exactly. Those big corps sing praise for FOSS only because they : like the cheap labor. They have no problem taking away your hard : work but you can forget about them opening up source code of : their money makers to you.
Chrome FF MYSQL is still open source , java is open source now , perl is open source PHP is open source , EMACS is OPEN SOURCE ECLIPSE/NETBEANS GIMP tons there
it is not ff's fault, blame the add-ons. anyway, ff still costs less mem then IE. LOL
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Exactly. Those big corps sing praise for FOSS only because they : like the cheap labor. They have no problem taking away your hard : work but you can forget about them opening up source code of : their money makers to you.
发信人: ayanami (螃蟹@FROSTSHOCK PWNS YOU!!11!), 信区: Linux 标 题: A 7 years bug! 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 5 19:53:04 2008) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86607 Geez fucking christ. I am full of despise for Mozilla developers now!
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Which bug are you talking about? All bugs are here, why not show me : which one. : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
C*n
63 楼
no its not a bug he is just asking for a new option
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: ayanami (螃蟹@FROSTSHOCK PWNS YOU!!11!), 信区: Linux : 标 题: A 7 years bug! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 5 19:53:04 2008) : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86607 : Geez fucking christ. : I am full of despise for Mozilla developers now!
N*n
64 楼
How is that not FF's fault when 3.0 with the same add-ons has much less leakage. The one tab crashing the whole browser has been there for years and still not corrected. Is that Add-on's fault as well? LOL. IE8 runs separate processes, when will FF?
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】 : it is not ff's fault, blame the add-ons. : anyway, ff still costs less mem then IE. LOL
b*g
65 楼
do you think MS will fix a 7y old bug? They even stopped support for XP.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: ayanami (螃蟹@FROSTSHOCK PWNS YOU!!11!), 信区: Linux : 标 题: A 7 years bug! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 5 19:53:04 2008) : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86607 : Geez fucking christ. : I am full of despise for Mozilla developers now!
b*g
66 楼
ok, you do agree FF3.0 is improving a lot. If you want to compare mem usage, do the math yourself for IE and FF. If you want to say multi-process, chrome has it also. and chrome is true separate process. IE8 has multi-process, but it is not one process for each tab. check it out yourself.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : How is that not FF's fault when 3.0 with the same add-ons has : much less leakage. The one tab crashing the whole browser has : been there for years and still not corrected. Is that Add-on's : fault as well? LOL. IE8 runs separate processes, when will FF?
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】 : ok, you do agree FF3.0 is improving a lot. : If you want to compare mem usage, do the math yourself for IE and FF. : If you want to say multi-process, chrome has it also. : and chrome is true separate process. IE8 has multi-process, : but it is not one process for each tab. check it out yourself.
b*g
68 楼
it is important, that's why google pays you to do whatever you want for 20% of your working time. i am not talking about minu update. if you have a critical bug, open source software can fix it in an hour. good example is the debian SSH week rng. but it is possible for MS to fix the same kinda bug in weeks. good example is windows messanger remote overflow execution.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : How is that not FF's fault when 3.0 with the same add-ons has : much less leakage. The one tab crashing the whole browser has : been there for years and still not corrected. Is that Add-on's : fault as well? LOL. IE8 runs separate processes, when will FF?
That's an enhancement request, and nothing to do with memory leak. Developers may think this is not critical and focus on more important ones, this happens in every project, get a life.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: ayanami (螃蟹@FROSTSHOCK PWNS YOU!!11!), 信区: Linux : 标 题: A 7 years bug! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 5 19:53:04 2008) : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86607 : Geez fucking christ. : I am full of despise for Mozilla developers now!
g*g
76 楼
You need to learn better, open source doesn't mean you can't get money out of it. Redhat, MySQL are just some examples. There are ways like publishing books, training courses, developer certificates, techical support etc. It's just different style. Only best open source products thrive, so are close source ones. The benefit of open source, as I said. 1. It helps you understand the api much better 2. You always have an option when the underlying api has a bug. And more importantly, no close sourc
You can just keep on blaming other things for FF problem.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : no its not a bug : he is just asking for a new option
x*g
78 楼
MSFT is way better than you think.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : Yeah : and those smart ppl, when they got into M$, they can only produce : shit like windows ME, windows vista : guess M$ is worse than u thought , hmm ?
N*n
79 楼
Now you are spinning. I'm asking you how long it takes for FF to abandon the wrong multi-thread architecture, what do you talk about Chrome for? Just face it: When you have a far-fetched, architecture level problem, you have to spend a lot of time to fix it. Saying that it'll be fast simply b/c it's open is nonsense. And mem usage and leak are two different things. You can use a lot of mem so long you release it when you don't need it. FF 1.X, 2.X ate mem like a freak and refused to release it
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】 : ok, you do agree FF3.0 is improving a lot. : If you want to compare mem usage, do the math yourself for IE and FF. : If you want to say multi-process, chrome has it also. : and chrome is true separate process. IE8 has multi-process, : but it is not one process for each tab. check it out yourself.
g*g
80 楼
Come on, since IE8 and Chrome have this mult-process architecture, now all of sudden FF is wrong in using multi-thread? Can you distinguish the difference between a feature and a bug? Why not tell me when will IE8 use an easy to extend architecture like FF so we'll have at least a nice adblock plugin? It's been more than 10 years and M$ has no answer. I guess that architecture change is much more far-fetched than changing thread to process. Now let's get to something more fundamental. It takes 8
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Now you are spinning. I'm asking you how long it takes for FF : to abandon the wrong multi-thread architecture, what do you : talk about Chrome for? : Just face it: When you have a far-fetched, architecture level : problem, you have to spend a lot of time to fix it. Saying : that it'll be fast simply b/c it's open is nonsense. : And mem usage and leak are two different things. You can use : a lot of mem so long you release it when you don't need it. : FF 1.X, 2.X ate mem like a freak and refused to release it
c*n
81 楼
well... from a security researchers' point of view averagely, 1 out of 158 system vul. is found by report, rests are found by incidents. come to this case, bugzilla list might count for 10% of FF's KNOWN bugs with very optimistic estimation for the FF's development group, I had contacted to them right after 1.0 released about some code flaws. they are generally arrogant and aggressive RTFM type people back to that time. maybe they are tech elites, but they lack of any sense what is the value of
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : It's not a bug if nobody finds it. It's open source and everyone : can log bugs there, that's as complete as it can get. : M$ likes to compare the number of bugs found over a year, and by : their standard, if it's not a bug found by outsiders, it's not : a bug, and they can sneak in and fix it in windows update without : reporting to you. I am not surprised M$'s products always have : fewer bugs.
b*g
82 楼
You wanna try open 50 tabs in IE7, see what's going on.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Now you are spinning. I'm asking you how long it takes for FF : to abandon the wrong multi-thread architecture, what do you : talk about Chrome for? : Just face it: When you have a far-fetched, architecture level : problem, you have to spend a lot of time to fix it. Saying : that it'll be fast simply b/c it's open is nonsense. : And mem usage and leak are two different things. You can use : a lot of mem so long you release it when you don't need it. : FF 1.X, 2.X ate mem like a freak and refused to release it
g*g
83 楼
IE doesn't have an adblock plugin. No matter how one optimizes it, it won't match the footprint of Firefox. Lots of memory is wasted for ads. and you can't do nothing about it. I often open 50+ tags for firefox, and it runs for weeks without a crash.
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】 : You wanna try open 50 tabs in IE7, see what's going on.
H*3
84 楼
Ahh, any FF's problem is actually not a problem... hmm... ever if it really is, it must be MS's fault.... hmm...interesting...
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : no its not a bug : he is just asking for a new option
x*g
85 楼
you forgot it could also come from add-ons.
really
【在 H***3 的大作中提到】 : Ahh, any FF's problem is actually not a problem... hmm... ever if it really : is, it must be MS's fault.... : hmm...interesting...
x*g
86 楼
or user could learn more...
really
【在 H***3 的大作中提到】 : Ahh, any FF's problem is actually not a problem... hmm... ever if it really : is, it must be MS's fault.... : hmm...interesting...
H*3
87 楼
Just curious, how much time do you spend on patching open source softwares? If you don't spend much, then why do I need that "freedom" to modify the source code? If you spend a lot of time, this fact alone already scares the shit off average Joes like me.
Bugs of OSS get fixed much faster than closed source in average, that's simply a fact, so average joe does benefit from it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software most studies show that open-source software does have a higher flaw discovery, quicker flaw discovery, and quicker turn around on patches. I am not saying all software should be open, but OSS exist there for a good reason.
【在 H***3 的大作中提到】 : Just curious, how much time do you spend on patching open source softwares? : If you don't spend much, then why do I need that "freedom" to modify the : source code? : If you spend a lot of time, this fact alone already scares the shit off : average Joes like me.
r*t
89 楼
You need to understand the definition of "bug" for developers. Many glitches cannot be called a bug if they are not reported and confirmed.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : All bugs are here. : 笑死人了。要是所有的bug都在这儿,mozilla就是天下最完美的software了。
x*g
90 楼
So what's not there is not bug. I get it.
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】 : You need to understand the definition of "bug" for developers. Many : glitches cannot be called a bug if they are not reported and confirmed.
g*g
91 楼
I don't know what point you are trying to make here. Neverlearn pointed out there's a critical memory leak not fixed for years in FF. I have hard time to imagine that's not logged somewhere in the bugzilla so I want to see which one and its status. And he immeditately spin around. Too bad IE doesn't have a public bugzilla, otherwise there'd be tons of W3C incompatibility bugs which are still there today. Or should we call it a feature, strategy?
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : So what's not there is not bug. I get it.
r*t
92 楼
That you do not need the 'freedom' doesn't mean others do not. You should not complain because others do not complain. Your shit's off might not be a bad sign either.
【在 H***3 的大作中提到】 : Just curious, how much time do you spend on patching open source softwares? : If you don't spend much, then why do I need that "freedom" to modify the : source code? : If you spend a lot of time, this fact alone already scares the shit off : average Joes like me.
c*e
93 楼
If something is hard to repro does not necessarily mean it's not a bug. Most of the race conditions cannot be reproced deterministically. In a larget distributed system, it takes a week to captures the stack trace of certain conditions. But bug is bug, you call it glitche because you don't understand it.
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】 : You need to understand the definition of "bug" for developers. Many : glitches cannot be called a bug if they are not reported and confirmed.
g*g
94 楼
I don't understand why we are arguing on this. Does IE avoid this problem and FF can't? If you want to argue not all bugs can be captured, be my guest, but what's the point to argue a fact like that?
Most understand
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】 : If something is hard to repro does not necessarily mean it's not a bug. Most : of the race conditions cannot be reproced deterministically. In a larget : distributed system, it takes a week to captures the stack trace of certain : conditions. But bug is bug, you call it glitche because you don't understand : it.
r*t
95 楼
r*t
96 楼
it is a request to disable a function. But people vote for not disable that function.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】 : no its not a bug : he is just asking for a new option
r*t
97 楼
Use your eyes and read that link. Please do not mislead.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: ayanami (螃蟹@FROSTSHOCK PWNS YOU!!11!), 信区: Linux : 标 题: A 7 years bug! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 5 19:53:04 2008) : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86607 : Geez fucking christ. : I am full of despise for Mozilla developers now!
r*t
98 楼
They will. They attempted to do that already. They'll do that again.
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】 : ft。。。 : MS哪里stopped support for XP了,依据?
r*t
99 楼
Resorting back to base-less claim is not a polite practice.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : MSFT is way better than you think.
x*g
100 楼
FF 1.0 support disappeared long time ago I think.
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】 : They will. They attempted to do that already. They'll do that again.
r*t
101 楼
Isn't this the whole point of open source in preventing excessive forking, right? If you do not cooperate then you bear more burden.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : : Now you are spinning. I'm asking you how long it takes for FF : to abandon the wrong multi-thread architecture, what do you : talk about Chrome for? : Just face it: When you have a far-fetched, architecture level : problem, you have to spend a lot of time to fix it. Saying : that it'll be fast simply b/c it's open is nonsense. : And mem usage and leak are two different things. You can use : a lot of mem so long you release it when you don't need it. : FF 1.X, 2.X ate mem like a freak and refused to release it
r*t
102 楼
Does that bother you? If it bothers the users, it will be supported. Debian supports hardwares that you might never heard of, because that support matters to people who are still using it.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : FF 1.0 support disappeared long time ago I think.
r*t
103 楼
Exactly, what's not found is not a bug. What's not repeatable is not a bug ( it might be several intervening bugs after confirmed). Developers cannot begin working on that problem if it is not identified and confirmed.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : So what's not there is not bug. I get it.
x*g
104 楼
Glad you said it. Go tell whoever I was replying with that post.
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】 : Resorting back to base-less claim is not a polite practice.
c*e
105 楼
I don't understand either. Whatever people are talking about , you bash IE or anything from MS. Where did I imply IE is immune to these problems. It's you who are trying to be a zealot. Of course, not all the bugs can be captured without appropriate tools and setup. Repro is even harder.Memory leak in FF has been around at least 2-3 years before it's getting better, that's not a quick fix. Fixing a bug could be hard or easy. For easy bugs, OSS may be more responsive. But for hard ones, it's the
g*g
106 楼
It's funny you argue all day and cannot find a link in bugzilla to prove your point: FF can't get a critical memory leak bug fixed in years. All your argument is I hear this, I think that. I don't give a damn. You have the easy proof there and you take the detour, so much about zealot. Unless you find the link, this conversation is over.
s setup. Repro is even harder.Memory leak in FF has been around at least 2-3 years before it's getting better, that's not a quick fix. Fixing a bug could be ha
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】 : I don't understand either. Whatever people are talking about , you bash IE : or anything from MS. Where did I imply IE is immune to these problems. It's : you who are trying to be a zealot. : Of course, not all the bugs can be captured without appropriate tools and setup. Repro is even harder.Memory leak in FF has been around at least 2-3 years before it's getting better, that's not a quick fix. Fixing a bug could be hard or easy. For easy bugs, OSS may be more responsive. But for hard ones, it's the
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : It's funny you argue all day and cannot find a link in bugzilla to : prove your point: FF can't get a critical memory leak bug fixed in : years. All your argument is I hear this, I think that. I don't give : a damn. You have the easy proof there and you take the detour, : so much about zealot. Unless you find the link, this conversation : is over. : : s : setup. Repro is even harder.Memory leak in FF has been around at least 2-3 : years before it's getting better, that's not a quick fix. Fixing a bug could
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : It's funny you argue all day and cannot find a link in bugzilla to : prove your point: FF can't get a critical memory leak bug fixed in : years. All your argument is I hear this, I think that. I don't give : a damn. You have the easy proof there and you take the detour, : so much about zealot. Unless you find the link, this conversation : is over. : : s : setup. Repro is even harder.Memory leak in FF has been around at least 2-3 : years before it's getting better, that's not a quick fix. Fixing a bug could
g*g
109 楼
A critical memory leak that's not fixed in years is not logged in bugzilla? Are you retarded? There are tons of bugs logged even for 1K memory leak, why not this "CRITICAL" one?
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】 : 你为啥总一口咬定bugzilla里没有的就不是bug呢? : 人民群众不是一整天都在给你讲这个不对么?就是不理解? : : could
N*n
110 楼
WTF? A one-tab-crash-all multi-thread architecture is not a bad design needs fixing? You blew that Weapon of Mass Denial a little hard. Get a grip! Oh wait, I get it: Since you cannot log it as a bug, you don't need to fix it no matter how friggin' stupid it is, right? That's smart. Sure, it doesn't show up in the bug list, how convenient, way to prove OSS fixes problems fast.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Come on, since IE8 and Chrome have this mult-process architecture, : now all of sudden FF is wrong in using multi-thread? Can you distinguish : the difference between a feature and a bug? : Why not tell me when will IE8 use an easy to extend architecture : like FF so we'll have at least a nice adblock plugin? It's been : more than 10 years and M$ has no answer. I guess that architecture : change is much more far-fetched than changing thread to process. : Now let's get to something more fundamental. It takes 8
g*g
111 楼
WTF are you talking about? You can't commit code to FF without establishing yourself, that's true. But you can always log bug in their bugzilla. If a bug is critical and has existed for years like you said, you must be blind to not find it in their bugzilla. Most people are still using IE7 and IE6, do they treat their multi-thread design as a bug? You need to get the basic knowledge between a bug and a feature. FF can improve on stability and prevent crash at all, and multi-process is not necces
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : WTF? A one-tab-crash-all multi-thread architecture is not a : bad design needs fixing? You blew that Weapon of Mass Denial : a little hard. Get a grip! : Oh wait, I get it: Since you cannot log it as a bug, you don't : need to fix it no matter how friggin' stupid it is, right? : That's smart. Sure, it doesn't show up in the bug list, how : convenient, way to prove OSS fixes problems fast.
H*3
112 楼
I remember many times I opened some website and IE just died on me. So I killed IE in task manager and reopened the same website -- and magically it just worked fine again. I am so sorry for cursing your ansisters so badly, microsoft. I didn't know it's not a bug.
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【在 r****t 的大作中提到】 : Exactly, what's not found is not a bug. What's not repeatable is not a bug ( : it might be several intervening bugs after confirmed). Developers cannot begin : working on that problem if it is not identified and confirmed.
g*g
113 楼
If IE sets up a public bugzilla, what you found probably would be reproduced in millions of others. If you don't bark, you bet others will. Now if IE is also open source, 1 out of 1000 users may try to trace down the problem. 1 out of those 10 may eventually find the problem and even attempt to fix it. This is how this system works. A critical bug may not be easy to fix, but there's no way it won't be reported when it has millions of users and has been released for several months.
it know
【在 H***3 的大作中提到】 : I remember many times I opened some website and IE just died on me. So I : killed IE in task manager and reopened the same website -- and magically it : just worked fine again. : I am so sorry for cursing your ansisters so badly, microsoft. I didn't know : it's not a bug. : : ( : begin
H*3
114 楼
Wait a minute, I am confused. "open-source software does have a higher flaw discovery, quicker flaw discovery, and quicker turn around on patches", is that because OSSs get bugs fixed more efficiently, or it's simply because there are too many bugs from the beginning? For an average USER, what's the most important? A bug-full software with the "freedom" to fix it by your own , or a relatively stable one with closed source? I admit there are a lot of wonderful OSS softwares out there, and in fact
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Bugs of OSS get fixed much faster than closed source in average, that's : simply a fact, so average joe does benefit from it. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software : most studies show that open-source software does have a higher flaw : discovery, quicker flaw discovery, and quicker turn around on patches. : I am not saying all software should be open, but OSS exist there : for a good reason.
H*3
115 楼
The point by goodbug is: the "memory leak" talked here is actually not bug. How about we call it a design flaw? I remember the main reason I stopped using FF2.0 is simply it eats up my memory very easily -- it didnot crash on me so I think it is not a bug too, but I uninstalled FF2.0 nevertheless.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : A critical memory leak that's not fixed in years is not logged : in bugzilla? Are you retarded? There are tons of bugs logged : even for 1K memory leak, why not this "CRITICAL" one?
g*g
116 楼
They cached a page even when it's closed, if that's what you are talking about. This is to re-open a closed page quickly. I can understand some don't like it, but it's not a memory leak. I believe IE7 did something similar.
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【在 H***3 的大作中提到】 : The point by goodbug is: the "memory leak" talked here is actually not bug. : How about we call it a design flaw? I remember the main reason I stopped : using FF2.0 is simply it eats up my memory very easily -- it didnot crash on : me so I think it is not a bug too, but I uninstalled FF2.0 nevertheless.
b*g
117 楼
I am talking about GPLv3, the most recent version.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : This is not true either, I used a lot of Apache license, LGPL license, : I don't have to open my codes.
b*g
118 楼
Ok now, let me ask you how long it takes MSFT upgrade IE6 to IE7? Let me ask you another question. Why IE consumes the same, or even more mem is not called mem leak? You can say FF2 has memory leak problem. Most people will agree in some kind. But FF3 fixed it pretty well. Now, if you return to the same problem on IE. Nobody is talking about that. Why? Cos you can't do anything about it. It is there for a long time. No matter how you complain before FF2 came out, MSFT did not bother to upgrade I
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】 : WTF? A one-tab-crash-all multi-thread architecture is not a : bad design needs fixing? You blew that Weapon of Mass Denial : a little hard. Get a grip! : Oh wait, I get it: Since you cannot log it as a bug, you don't : need to fix it no matter how friggin' stupid it is, right? : That's smart. Sure, it doesn't show up in the bug list, how : convenient, way to prove OSS fixes problems fast.
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】 : 抛开MS不谈,我认为Open source的理念压根就是错误的。 : 什么叫有了bug你自己可以修复?人人都来修复,那真正的商家怎么去保证产品的稳定 : 性?我又怎么相信你的修复就是可靠的了? : windows vista大部分的不兼容是因为以前的第三方软件多少利用了一些比较tricky的 : 技巧,例如说啊我知道这个指针肯定是这个位置,不必非要去用MS的API,我直接call : 这个地址就好了。 : 同样的行为在linux也存在,而Open Source缺乏这种强制性的统一标准,说白了,开发 : 者要太监你也没办法。 : 引用一段slashdot上面的一个评论: : Nah, like me, we just got older. When were were young Microsoft was pure