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i*i2006-12-23 08:12

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http://www.jstatsoft.org/index.php?vol=17&t=s . The conclusion is that there is hardly a reason to pay for SWP.

D*a2006-12-23 08:12

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nice read.
CAS and export to RTF are important to me..

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

: http://www.jstatsoft.org/index.php?vol=17&t=s . The conclusion is that there is hardly a reason to pay for SWP.

h*s2006-12-23 08:12

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我大概读了一下，明显感觉如果不拿SWP的价格来说事， SWP还是明显强于LYX
文章中关于数学部分讲了几点，SWP只有一点不如LYX，
The user also has the possibility to use plain LATEX code. The support for
this is much better implemented in LYX than it is in SWP.
这是个不重要的功能，Lyx也谈不上much better,而这个SWP将来的版本要改进也十分容
易。
有点说SWP不能做word count，这个是作者不熟悉的错误结论
SWP不能做多次undo才是目前最主要的缺点
和纯粹的LaTex Code比，SWP倒是还有些应该改进的地方，但这个就和主题无关了，
估计Lyx也有同样的问题

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

: http://www.jstatsoft.org/index.php?vol=17&t=s . The conclusion is that there is hardly a reason to pay for SWP.

i*i2006-12-23 08:12

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If you only use windows, only use basic latex, and need to export to rtf/doc
, and if your school pays for the site license, SWP is for you. Lyx
1. is available for all operating systems, SWP is windows only
2. is compatible with latex, and you need to clean your SWP .tex file before
it can be compiled cleanly under miktex, not saying under *nix tex systems.
3. has better support for plain latex code and external latex packages like
beamer
4. has useful features like change tracking, instant pre

J*r2006-12-23 08:12

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试着装了一个Lyx，结果import以前的Latex的东西不太准，
自定义的东东都认不出来。
感觉习惯Latex的人，不太会喜欢这东东。

doc
before
systems.
like

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

: If you only use windows, only use basic latex, and need to export to rtf/doc
: , and if your school pays for the site license, SWP is for you. Lyx
: 1. is available for all operating systems, SWP is windows only
: 2. is compatible with latex, and you need to clean your SWP .tex file before
: it can be compiled cleanly under miktex, not saying under *nix tex systems.
: 3. has better support for plain latex code and external latex packages like
: beamer
: 4. has useful features like change tracking, instant pre

i*i2006-12-23 08:12

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Come on, you are importing self-defined macros. You expect lyx to expand all
your stuff and import? I bet SWP cannot do any better.
Try to clean your .tex file first, or paste some of them into lyx as pure
tex code (ERT).
Those guys will hate SWP since they cannot hand-compile SWP .tex file. lyx
is much better in this sense. Also, as I said before, lyx has much better
support for external packages and pure latex code than SWP.
After all this is a SWP vs. lyx thread...

【在 J*******r 的大作中提到】

: 试着装了一个Lyx，结果import以前的Latex的东西不太准，
: 自定义的东东都认不出来。
: 感觉习惯Latex的人，不太会喜欢这东东。
:
: doc
: before
: systems.
: like

h*s2006-12-23 08:12

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doc
这个我同意
before
systems.
我多次说过，很多对SWP的批评都是不熟悉SWP，我一个同学花很多时间学习plain code
说SWP这个也不能做，那个也不能做，结果我全给他在SWP下做出来
只要把SW的三个macro直接paste到texmf,你说的这个不能在miketex下compile就是搞笑了
说穿了，很多人用不熟SWP是因为用的是盗版加上不喜欢查help，正版的附带使用说明
把许多问题都解释了
like
SWP完全支持写入和编译plain code，但缺点是读入外部code有问题
谁说SWP不能支持beamer? 太偏见了
这个SWP全部可以做到
哈哈，我每次写信给SWP的support，都得到完美回答

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

h*s2006-12-23 08:12

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all
只能说，很多人习惯对一样东西都不熟，就开始批判了

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

:
: Come on, you are importing self-defined macros. You expect lyx to expand all
: your stuff and import? I bet SWP cannot do any better.
: Try to clean your .tex file first, or paste some of them into lyx as pure
: tex code (ERT).
: Those guys will hate SWP since they cannot hand-compile SWP .tex file. lyx
: is much better in this sense. Also, as I said before, lyx has much better
: support for external packages and pure latex code than SWP.
: After all this is a SWP vs. lyx thread...

h*s2006-12-23 08:12

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我以前也装过一次，很快卸掉了
但我不熟悉这个东西，也说不出什么东西，更不能批评了
任何一个软件，用熟了都好
实在有缺点，结合miktex使用也比学一个新的方便
硬要说一个比另外一个好，就未必恰当了

【在 J*******r 的大作中提到】

i*i2006-12-23 08:12

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笑了
That is to say, you will need to attached your SWP macros with your .tex
file if you would like your .tex file to be compiled by other latex user.
Good luck if you do this to a journal.
I post this article exactly because, to publish this article in a not-so-
junk journal, he must have spent a lot of time on *both* applications and
his comparisons should be less biased than ours. If he could not figure out
how to do things in SWP, then this feature is accessible only to advanced
users (and sh

i*i2006-12-23 08:12

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Please note that this article is a good read for latex newbies who need to
choose a good latex tool, not for pro users of SWP, Lyx, WinEdit or Vim/
Emacs/Notepad. If you are comfortable with the tool you are using, there is
no reason to switch.

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

: http://www.jstatsoft.org/index.php?vol=17&t=s . The conclusion is that there is hardly a reason to pay for SWP.

y*q2006-12-23 08:12

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I use lyx to start draft and will go back to latex if it is close to
submission.

doc
before
systems.
like

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

J*r2006-12-23 08:12

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这话没错。其实方便不方便，好用不好用，都是针对个人而言。
没什么争论的价值。
但是，free不free，偶还是知道di. :P

【在 h*s 的大作中提到】

: 我以前也装过一次，很快卸掉了
: 但我不熟悉这个东西，也说不出什么东西，更不能批评了
: 任何一个软件，用熟了都好
: 实在有缺点，结合miktex使用也比学一个新的方便
: 硬要说一个比另外一个好，就未必恰当了

h*s2006-12-23 08:12

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我们专业，以及相关的几个专业，都是用SWP的，journal方面没有任何问题
而且现在的SWP下的文件，可以save as portable tex，所以不用担心其他没有安装
SWP的人无法编译
out
作者的工作值得肯定，但说他两个都用得很熟就未必了，至少他关于SWP的几个说法都
错了，最简单一个例子，就是他说SWP不能做word count
,
第一个是不行，第二个没问题，第三点原文作者认为是个缺点，所以Lyx much better
这个我第一个回帖已经说过了，根本不重要的一个东西。
version SWP 5.5

【在 i*i 的大作中提到】

: 笑了
: That is to say, you will need to attached your SWP macros with your .tex
: file if you would like your .tex file to be compiled by other latex user.
: Good luck if you do this to a journal.
: I post this article exactly because, to publish this article in a not-so-
: junk journal, he must have spent a lot of time on *both* applications and
: his comparisons should be less biased than ours. If he could not figure out
: how to do things in SWP, then this feature is accessible only to advanced
: users (and sh