在国内可以vpn到美国公司的内网吗？# Working - 上班一族
w*9
1 楼
10%的toddler咬人，90%的不咬人，过半的被咬。
一些咬人小孩的家人会在讨论中加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩子还小。
一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
一些咬人小孩的家人会在讨论中加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩子还小。
一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
l*e
2 楼
回国担心签证被check, 想带上电脑不行就work from home, 防火墙到底对vpn有没有影
响？
响？
w*9
3 楼
以后小孩被另外一个小孩打了，可以这样安慰：人家还小，会outgrow的，大人之间打
就会少很多不是？
就会少很多不是？
l*u
4 楼
可以。就是网速慢。
【在 l******e 的大作中提到】
: 回国担心签证被check, 想带上电脑不行就work from home, 防火墙到底对vpn有没有影
: 响？
【在 l******e 的大作中提到】
: 回国担心签证被check, 想带上电脑不行就work from home, 防火墙到底对vpn有没有影
: 响？
w*f
5 楼
Outgrow 只是不说这类小孩不会继续咬人打人了， 但是会表现在其他方面
比如做事更aggressive, bossy, 容易暴躁， 等等。
小。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 10%的toddler咬人，90%的不咬人，过半的被咬。
: 一些咬人小孩的家人会在讨论中加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩子还小。
: 一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
比如做事更aggressive, bossy, 容易暴躁， 等等。
小。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 10%的toddler咬人，90%的不咬人，过半的被咬。
: 一些咬人小孩的家人会在讨论中加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩子还小。
: 一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
w*9
6 楼
如果本来不咬人的小孩反咬回去，是不是那些说“会outgrow的”的家长还会说：人家
孩子还小，也会outgrow的。
这和反击的讨论多少联系上了。
孩子还小，也会outgrow的。
这和反击的讨论多少联系上了。
w*9
7 楼
问题转化了？
【在 w**f 的大作中提到】
: Outgrow 只是不说这类小孩不会继续咬人打人了， 但是会表现在其他方面
: 比如做事更aggressive, bossy, 容易暴躁， 等等。
:
: 小。
w*f
8 楼
有人打人，咬人是小孩表达情绪的方式， 那么如果小孩已经习惯这种不正常的表达方
式，
等他们大点， 又发现这种方式不不被社会接受的， 要么他们会继续， 要么就会慢慢
转为别的的方式。 我的意见是有这种问题的小孩的家长不要认为他们会out grow就万
事大吉，心安理得了...
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 问题转化了？
式，
等他们大点， 又发现这种方式不不被社会接受的， 要么他们会继续， 要么就会慢慢
转为别的的方式。 我的意见是有这种问题的小孩的家长不要认为他们会out grow就万
事大吉，心安理得了...
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 问题转化了？
l*r
9 楼
心痒难耐啊。
可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
I*e
10 楼
哈哈
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 心痒难耐啊。
: 可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 心痒难耐啊。
: 可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
w*9
11 楼
相似的说法会很多。
对非常自我中心的小孩，家长也可以辩说：会outgrow的。
对非常挑食的：会outgrow的。
对非常依赖的：会outgrow的。
对非常任性的：会outgrow的。
。。。
对非常自我中心的小孩，家长也可以辩说：会outgrow的。
对非常挑食的：会outgrow的。
对非常依赖的：会outgrow的。
对非常任性的：会outgrow的。
。。。
T*u
12 楼
这个没什么关系把，只要他学会用别的方式表达就好了，并不一定说一定是那么
aggressive的。我妈说我小时候咬过人，现在我比谁都面。
【在 w**f 的大作中提到】
: 有人打人，咬人是小孩表达情绪的方式， 那么如果小孩已经习惯这种不正常的表达方
: 式，
: 等他们大点， 又发现这种方式不不被社会接受的， 要么他们会继续， 要么就会慢慢
: 转为别的的方式。 我的意见是有这种问题的小孩的家长不要认为他们会out grow就万
: 事大吉，心安理得了...
aggressive的。我妈说我小时候咬过人，现在我比谁都面。
【在 w**f 的大作中提到】
: 有人打人，咬人是小孩表达情绪的方式， 那么如果小孩已经习惯这种不正常的表达方
: 式，
: 等他们大点， 又发现这种方式不不被社会接受的， 要么他们会继续， 要么就会慢慢
: 转为别的的方式。 我的意见是有这种问题的小孩的家长不要认为他们会out grow就万
: 事大吉，心安理得了...
c*y
13 楼
不抬你还是lanfear吗？//run
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 心痒难耐啊。
: 可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 心痒难耐啊。
: 可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
T*u
14 楼
可以前山中无老虎阿//run
【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 不抬你还是lanfear吗？//run
【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 不抬你还是lanfear吗？//run
n*y
15 楼
挑食确实会outgrow，这个基本教育不好。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 相似的说法会很多。
: 对非常自我中心的小孩，家长也可以辩说：会outgrow的。
: 对非常挑食的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常依赖的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常任性的：会outgrow的。
: 。。。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 相似的说法会很多。
: 对非常自我中心的小孩，家长也可以辩说：会outgrow的。
: 对非常挑食的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常依赖的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常任性的：会outgrow的。
: 。。。
T*u
16 楼
我外甥12岁了，还没有outgrow.
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 挑食确实会outgrow，这个基本教育不好。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 挑食确实会outgrow，这个基本教育不好。
o*l
17 楼
没看出来啊
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 这个没什么关系把，只要他学会用别的方式表达就好了，并不一定说一定是那么
: aggressive的。我妈说我小时候咬过人，现在我比谁都面。
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 这个没什么关系把，只要他学会用别的方式表达就好了，并不一定说一定是那么
: aggressive的。我妈说我小时候咬过人，现在我比谁都面。
s*y
18 楼
完全是你没有教育好！
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 挑食确实会outgrow，这个基本教育不好。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 挑食确实会outgrow，这个基本教育不好。
w*9
19 楼
和我一样，你也特别坚持你的某个观念。由于你把“即使是事实”这样的字句用在你的那个观念上（等
等），你和她之间才。。。
更痒了吗？
Disclaimer：我是在讨论观点，不是在讨论ID。
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 心痒难耐啊。
: 可是已经跟northbeach说我不再抬杠了，咋整。
T*u
20 楼
蟀锅久违袅~~~
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 没看出来啊
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 没看出来啊
n*y
21 楼
我上大学才outgrow的吧，以前不爱吃很多蔬菜。
有些品种就是outgrow不了，也no big deal
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 我外甥12岁了，还没有outgrow.
有些品种就是outgrow不了，也no big deal
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 我外甥12岁了，还没有outgrow.
T*u
22 楼
可是我外甥又瘦又矮，父母担心。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 我上大学才outgrow的吧，以前不爱吃很多蔬菜。
: 有些品种就是outgrow不了，也no big deal
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 我上大学才outgrow的吧，以前不爱吃很多蔬菜。
: 有些品种就是outgrow不了，也no big deal
o*l
23 楼
要不要hug一下？
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 蟀锅久违袅~~~
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 蟀锅久违袅~~~
n*y
24 楼
那是还没发育吧
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 可是我外甥又瘦又矮，父母担心。
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 可是我外甥又瘦又矮，父母担心。
T*u
25 楼
握握手把。
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 要不要hug一下？
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 要不要hug一下？
w*9
26 楼
我们家的小孩很小就不挑食，但是和我老婆在一起太长（比如我回国或他们回国），就
会变差。我的说
法是：越不喜欢吃的东西，你很可能越需要里面的营养。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 挑食确实会outgrow，这个基本教育不好。
o*l
27 楼
也好！
我冷峻的说，
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 握握手把。
我冷峻的说，
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 握握手把。
d*g
28 楼
别的不知道，这个挑食我真的觉得会outgrow的
我没伤害哪些group吧？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 相似的说法会很多。
: 对非常自我中心的小孩，家长也可以辩说：会outgrow的。
: 对非常挑食的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常依赖的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常任性的：会outgrow的。
: 。。。
我没伤害哪些group吧？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 相似的说法会很多。
: 对非常自我中心的小孩，家长也可以辩说：会outgrow的。
: 对非常挑食的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常依赖的：会outgrow的。
: 对非常任性的：会outgrow的。
: 。。。
n*y
29 楼
这说明你小孩根本不挑
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 我们家的小孩很小就不挑食，但是和我老婆在一起太长（比如我回国或他们回国），就
: 会变差。我的说
: 法是：越不喜欢吃的东西，你很可能越需要里面的营养。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 我们家的小孩很小就不挑食，但是和我老婆在一起太长（比如我回国或他们回国），就
: 会变差。我的说
: 法是：越不喜欢吃的东西，你很可能越需要里面的营养。
T*u
30 楼
我还觉得真不一定，我伤害你了吗？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 别的不知道，这个挑食我真的觉得会outgrow的
: 我没伤害哪些group吧？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 别的不知道，这个挑食我真的觉得会outgrow的
: 我没伤害哪些group吧？
T*u
31 楼
ft，相象你冷峻的样子
扑吃。。。。。。。。。。。sorry.
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 也好！
: 我冷峻的说，
扑吃。。。。。。。。。。。sorry.
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 也好！
: 我冷峻的说，
w*9
32 楼
怎么会是天生的呢?习惯和自我约束是可以被人或自觉培养的。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 这说明你小孩根本不挑
d*g
33 楼
我自己血泪史：
我娃挑食我发愁，不吃肉，我怎么做都不吃，怎么劝都不吃。比人不给其他选择，比人
饿着也不给零食。她之前吃的。前后3个多月吧，然后突然就好了。
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 我还觉得真不一定，我伤害你了吗？
我娃挑食我发愁，不吃肉，我怎么做都不吃，怎么劝都不吃。比人不给其他选择，比人
饿着也不给零食。她之前吃的。前后3个多月吧，然后突然就好了。
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 我还觉得真不一定，我伤害你了吗？
n*y
34 楼
像这种大人说说就吃的根本不叫挑食，真的挑食你硬逼着吃会吐的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 怎么会是天生的呢?习惯和自我约束是可以被人或自觉培养的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 怎么会是天生的呢?习惯和自我约束是可以被人或自觉培养的。
T*u
35 楼
nod, my nephew is like this.
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 像这种大人说说就吃的根本不叫挑食，真的挑食你硬逼着吃会吐的。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 像这种大人说说就吃的根本不叫挑食，真的挑食你硬逼着吃会吐的。
w*9
36 楼
你怎么知道说说就行了？
“只有这些。”
“不吃会跑不动的，不吃就不会带你去？？？玩。”。
“这两样你要哪样?"
“牙上有洞的”。
“哭一点用都没有，到你自己房间去哭吧。”。
“今天的糖”。
。。。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 像这种大人说说就吃的根本不叫挑食，真的挑食你硬逼着吃会吐的。
n*h
37 楼
妹妹你要想清楚啊？你脸皮有没有我这末厚。到时候，楼高了，说难听的话多了去了。
现在，不论在生
活中，还是网上，想坚持原则都是很难的。
小。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 10%的toddler咬人，90%的不咬人，过半的被咬。
: 一些咬人小孩的家人会在讨论中加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩子还小。
: 一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
现在，不论在生
活中，还是网上，想坚持原则都是很难的。
小。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 10%的toddler咬人，90%的不咬人，过半的被咬。
: 一些咬人小孩的家人会在讨论中加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩子还小。
: 一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
w*9
38 楼
有些食物过敏？否则，习惯就好了。我的小孩开始也不敢吃虾和其它有些东西。
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: nod, my nephew is like this.
w*9
39 楼
作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 妹妹你要想清楚啊？你脸皮有没有我这末厚。到时候，楼高了，说难听的话多了去了。
: 现在，不论在生
: 活中，还是网上，想坚持原则都是很难的。
:
: 小。
C*i
40 楼
我正要帮你说，这不是妹妹...
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
P*s
41 楼
哈哈哈
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
n*y
42 楼
依然是说阿，这种有用的话就不叫挑食了。你有没有硬塞在孩子嘴里，不准吐出来，吐
就打耳光这种。然后孩子大哭，把胃里的东西都吐出来。我不是说我自己啊，我看到过
这样的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
就打耳光这种。然后孩子大哭，把胃里的东西都吐出来。我不是说我自己啊，我看到过
这样的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 作为一个男妈，我不温柔啊。呵呵。
l*r
43 楼
举手举手，我家老大就是这样。逼着他嚼，然后看着他努力的咽下去，然后就把上顿饭
都给吐了。
我跟领导曾经分析过，明明是食物，为啥一吃就吐呢。后来我们想明白了，对于不爱吃
的东西，肚皮就当它是狗屎，你被逼着吃狗屎，能不吐吗。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 依然是说阿，这种有用的话就不叫挑食了。你有没有硬塞在孩子嘴里，不准吐出来，吐
: 就打耳光这种。然后孩子大哭，把胃里的东西都吐出来。我不是说我自己啊，我看到过
: 这样的。
都给吐了。
我跟领导曾经分析过，明明是食物，为啥一吃就吐呢。后来我们想明白了，对于不爱吃
的东西，肚皮就当它是狗屎，你被逼着吃狗屎，能不吐吗。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 依然是说阿，这种有用的话就不叫挑食了。你有没有硬塞在孩子嘴里，不准吐出来，吐
: 就打耳光这种。然后孩子大哭，把胃里的东西都吐出来。我不是说我自己啊，我看到过
: 这样的。
w*9
44 楼
你说的那种比例极小吧？
选择有限，就可能会被饿着，甚至不能出去玩。这些都是很实在的。不光是说的问题。
吃饭不能死喂。危险。看到大人吃”恶心“的东西次数多了，在心理上就慢慢更接受了
。对不喜欢吃的，
小试一口，以后（不一定同一天）慢慢增加。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 依然是说阿，这种有用的话就不叫挑食了。你有没有硬塞在孩子嘴里，不准吐出来，吐
: 就打耳光这种。然后孩子大哭，把胃里的东西都吐出来。我不是说我自己啊，我看到过
: 这样的。
j*e
45 楼
lol~~
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 也好！
: 我冷峻的说，
【在 o*l 的大作中提到】
: 也好！
: 我冷峻的说，
w*9
46 楼
改掉毛病×××化了的时间×××长短有不同。培养效果有不同。
真正需要花的时间范围是和这个主题相关的。
真正需要花的时间范围是和这个主题相关的。
n*y
47 楼
我不知道有多少，我家没逼过我，反正我大了也就基本都吃了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 改掉毛病×××化了的时间×××长短有不同。培养效果有不同。
: 真正需要花的时间范围是和这个主题相关的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 改掉毛病×××化了的时间×××长短有不同。培养效果有不同。
: 真正需要花的时间范围是和这个主题相关的。
w*9
48 楼
就是说，你大学以后才完成所谓的"outgrowth"。我们家小孩是被×××教育××××而很小就完成了所谓
的“outgrowth"的。这就是从小是否有培养会有质的区别。我们是花了不少心思和功夫的。小孩身体很
结实。
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 我不知道有多少，我家没逼过我，反正我大了也就基本都吃了。
w*9
49 楼
对很多咬人小孩的家长，咬人是常见的。对很多不咬人小孩的家长，咬人是不常见的。
咬人的toddler毕竟只有10%左右，而被咬的小孩却过半。因此，在见闻次数上，不同的
家长会有几倍的差别。
对绝大多数小孩，咬人的阶段不存在，没有所谓的outgrowth。对咬人的小孩，教育程
度和效果的不同，所谓的outgrowth就会很不同。我的小孩只被咬过两次，都是同一个4
岁以上小孩干的。一个存在性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟
的阶段。实际的情况是：有很小一部分小孩有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现
在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分小孩的不规范性一部分表现在咬人上。
咬人的toddler毕竟只有10%左右，而被咬的小孩却过半。因此，在见闻次数上，不同的
家长会有几倍的差别。
对绝大多数小孩，咬人的阶段不存在，没有所谓的outgrowth。对咬人的小孩，教育程
度和效果的不同，所谓的outgrowth就会很不同。我的小孩只被咬过两次，都是同一个4
岁以上小孩干的。一个存在性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟
的阶段。实际的情况是：有很小一部分小孩有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现
在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分小孩的不规范性一部分表现在咬人上。
w*9
50 楼
对很多咬人小孩的家长，咬人是常见的。对很多不咬人小孩的家长，咬人是不常见的。
咬人的toddler毕竟只有10%左右，而被咬的小孩却过半。因此，在见闻次数上，不同的
家长会有几倍的差别。
对绝大多数小孩，咬人的阶段不存在，没有所谓的outgrowth。对咬人的小孩，教育程
度和效果的不同，所谓的outgrowth就会很不同。我的小孩只被咬过两次，都是同一个4
岁以上小孩干的。一个存在性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟
的阶段。实际的情况是：有很小一部分小孩有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现
在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分小孩的不规范性一部分表现在咬人上。
类似地方面：
有人，因为家里没有特别用心，到了大学才在饮食上“outgrown”。而有的小孩，经过
家里的集体努力，几岁就可以不挑食品。
咬人的toddler毕竟只有10%左右，而被咬的小孩却过半。因此，在见闻次数上，不同的
家长会有几倍的差别。
对绝大多数小孩，咬人的阶段不存在，没有所谓的outgrowth。对咬人的小孩，教育程
度和效果的不同，所谓的outgrowth就会很不同。我的小孩只被咬过两次，都是同一个4
岁以上小孩干的。一个存在性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟
的阶段。实际的情况是：有很小一部分小孩有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现
在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分小孩的不规范性一部分表现在咬人上。
类似地方面：
有人，因为家里没有特别用心，到了大学才在饮食上“outgrown”。而有的小孩，经过
家里的集体努力，几岁就可以不挑食品。
g*9
51 楼
这个就对了，
前阵子刚看过一个wsj的八卦，
对于某些挑食的人，看到某些不想吃的东西就是看到橡胶一样，吃不下去的。
。。
所以要理解。
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 举手举手，我家老大就是这样。逼着他嚼，然后看着他努力的咽下去，然后就把上顿饭
: 都给吐了。
: 我跟领导曾经分析过，明明是食物，为啥一吃就吐呢。后来我们想明白了，对于不爱吃
: 的东西，肚皮就当它是狗屎，你被逼着吃狗屎，能不吐吗。
前阵子刚看过一个wsj的八卦，
对于某些挑食的人，看到某些不想吃的东西就是看到橡胶一样，吃不下去的。
。。
所以要理解。
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 举手举手，我家老大就是这样。逼着他嚼，然后看着他努力的咽下去，然后就把上顿饭
: 都给吐了。
: 我跟领导曾经分析过，明明是食物，为啥一吃就吐呢。后来我们想明白了，对于不爱吃
: 的东西，肚皮就当它是狗屎，你被逼着吃狗屎，能不吐吗。
w*9
52 楼
看过不止一人说：不知道怎么教育好，因为在家里没出现过。主要让学校在出现状况的
时候特殊对待，并等outgrowth。不会自己演示状况来进行教育吗？？？？？？？？？？
随便回去翻了4页。
总结一些提得最多的烦人辩解（想一想，受害小孩的家长在daycare得到这类会有什么
反应）：
不急
小孩还小
会outgrow的
长大就好了
不是所有的小孩都先进（而实际上，这种小孩很后进）
不像大孩子那样教育下去就有用
在家里不咬，自己想不到怎么教育（真的？？？？？？）幸好outgrow（bingo！！！）
（隐含怕被开除）
希望这些人能想：
牙齿可是小孩能有的最厉害武器了，可以接近刀子
别把其他小孩染上病了
别人小孩没有的问题，我们一定要尽快改正，否则把别的小孩咬得更严重了怎办
时候特殊对待，并等outgrowth。不会自己演示状况来进行教育吗？？？？？？？？？？
随便回去翻了4页。
总结一些提得最多的烦人辩解（想一想，受害小孩的家长在daycare得到这类会有什么
反应）：
不急
小孩还小
会outgrow的
长大就好了
不是所有的小孩都先进（而实际上，这种小孩很后进）
不像大孩子那样教育下去就有用
在家里不咬，自己想不到怎么教育（真的？？？？？？）幸好outgrow（bingo！！！）
（隐含怕被开除）
希望这些人能想：
牙齿可是小孩能有的最厉害武器了，可以接近刀子
别把其他小孩染上病了
别人小孩没有的问题，我们一定要尽快改正，否则把别的小孩咬得更严重了怎办
w*9
53 楼
小孩吃不少新东西都会觉得不适。4-5岁的小孩吃虾可能都会觉得恶心。这些一般的情
况是可以适应的。
拿有特殊的不可克服生理障碍的稀有例子来否定一般情况，对讨论有意义吗？
况是可以适应的。
拿有特殊的不可克服生理障碍的稀有例子来否定一般情况，对讨论有意义吗？
g*9
54 楼
你太紧张了。
这事是会outgrow的。听我来说：
在daycare的孩子，在某些时候会比较difficult，
比如刚升班的1岁多toddler，和周围的小朋友总会有些冲突。这时候要保护自己的
property，语言还是外星话，take turn还不懂，人家白花花的小手紧紧抓住自己紧紧
护住的玩具上。。。。。还恰好在嘴边。。。
到孩子被这个班级接受了，语言上去了，就会好很多。
这是outgrow的本质。仅限于大多数普通孩子。
？？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 看过不止一人说：不知道怎么教育好，因为在家里没出现过。主要让学校在出现状况的
: 时候特殊对待，并等outgrowth。不会自己演示状况来进行教育吗？？？？？？？？？？
: 随便回去翻了4页。
: 总结一些提得最多的烦人辩解（想一想，受害小孩的家长在daycare得到这类会有什么
: 反应）：
: 不急
: 小孩还小
: 会outgrow的
: 长大就好了
: 不是所有的小孩都先进（而实际上，这种小孩很后进）
这事是会outgrow的。听我来说：
在daycare的孩子，在某些时候会比较difficult，
比如刚升班的1岁多toddler，和周围的小朋友总会有些冲突。这时候要保护自己的
property，语言还是外星话，take turn还不懂，人家白花花的小手紧紧抓住自己紧紧
护住的玩具上。。。。。还恰好在嘴边。。。
到孩子被这个班级接受了，语言上去了，就会好很多。
这是outgrow的本质。仅限于大多数普通孩子。
？？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 看过不止一人说：不知道怎么教育好，因为在家里没出现过。主要让学校在出现状况的
: 时候特殊对待，并等outgrowth。不会自己演示状况来进行教育吗？？？？？？？？？？
: 随便回去翻了4页。
: 总结一些提得最多的烦人辩解（想一想，受害小孩的家长在daycare得到这类会有什么
: 反应）：
: 不急
: 小孩还小
: 会outgrow的
: 长大就好了
: 不是所有的小孩都先进（而实际上，这种小孩很后进）
w*9
55 楼
你是那咬人的10%toddler家长。
再加让人烦的一条：
你太紧张了。
加上一条希望：
咬人的小孩比例那么低，我们不应该太放松啊。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 你太紧张了。
: 这事是会outgrow的。听我来说：
: 在daycare的孩子，在某些时候会比较difficult，
: 比如刚升班的1岁多toddler，和周围的小朋友总会有些冲突。这时候要保护自己的
: property，语言还是外星话，take turn还不懂，人家白花花的小手紧紧抓住自己紧紧
: 护住的玩具上。。。。。还恰好在嘴边。。。
: 到孩子被这个班级接受了，语言上去了，就会好很多。
: 这是outgrow的本质。仅限于大多数普通孩子。
:
: ？？
w*9
56 楼
一些咬人家长的被动、消极或轻松态度，应该也是小孩被咬过半的一大原因吧？
w*9
57 楼
正因为biting不是小事而且可能有疾病隐患，被咬的小孩家长都会得到通知。
g*9
58 楼
首先，我家被咬的次数远远大于咬人的次数。。。
的确一个班里总有一个两个孩子Outgrow 的时间比较长，一段时间内咬人的孩子是的确
只有10%左右。
但我想说的，咬过人的孩子，应该远远不止这个数。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 正因为biting不是小事而且可能有疾病隐患，被咬的小孩家长都会得到通知。
的确一个班里总有一个两个孩子Outgrow 的时间比较长，一段时间内咬人的孩子是的确
只有10%左右。
但我想说的，咬过人的孩子，应该远远不止这个数。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 正因为biting不是小事而且可能有疾病隐患，被咬的小孩家长都会得到通知。
w*9
59 楼
http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=244
Biting Must Never Be Permitted
We teach children not to hurt others. Youngsters must therefore learn that
hitting, slapping, pinching, scratching, biting, shoving, knocking down and
hair pulling are totally unacceptable. Of all these childhood behaviors,
however, biting seems to cause parents the most problems. Horrified teachers
and day care providers occasionally overreact and harshly punish the biter,
the parents of the biter are embarrassed by the incident and the parents of
the victim are upset that their child has been hurt.
Yet biting is very common. Studies have shown that over half of all toddlers
in day care have been bitten more than once. Boys are more likely to bite
than girls and the behavior is more common when parents use physical
punishment for discipline. Children usually bite to obtain objects, gain
attention or express frustration. It is a very powerful way of being noticed!
Biting usually starts at the time teeth erupt and is usually a chance
discovery while teething. Initially, some parents think it is cute and the
child considers it a game to gain attention. Breast-fed infants generally
learn very quickly not to bite, probably because of mother’s pain and the
prompt removal of the infant from the breast.
During the toddler stage of child development, biting becomes a form of
communication. The youngster wants to be independent but lacks the necessary
verbal skills. Temper tantrums then develop as a way of expression and
biting becomes nothing more than a severe tantrum. When a toddler wants
instant attention, biting certainly will work. In children over 3 years of
age, biting occurs only in extreme circumstances when, for example, a child
is losing a fight or thinks their survival is threatened.
The child who bites needs to be closely watched by the parents or day care
provider so the biting can be quickly interrupted. A parent’s response to
biting should leave no question that they mean business. First, look the
child straight in the eye and in a loud, sharp voice say "No biting. We
never bite people" It is okay to startle the child who bites. This is not a
time for child psychology and long discussions, such as "I know you are mad,
but biting hurts and could cause an infection or scarring." Avoid giving
the child something else to bite instead, such as a towel or a stuffed
animal. The message should be clear: biting is bad. Lengthy conversations
only gain biters the attention they sought. Then, the child should be
immediately placed in "time out" for one minute per year of age. Make sure
the youngster receives no eye contact or interaction while in timeout.
Sympathizing with the victim is also helpful and may serve to avoid
secondary gain for the biter.
Never ever bite the child back - it serves absolutely no disciplinary
purpose. Biting is an immature act and parents are supposed to set an
example! Furthermore, biting a child only elicits fear and anger in the
youngster, and usually makes the adults feel so guilty that the
effectiveness of the discipline is diminished. Similarly, do not wash their
mouth out with soap, pinch their cheek, or slap their mouth. Physical
punishment only makes biting worse.
The best time to stop biting is when it first starts. Make sure siblings do
not laugh when a younger brother or sister bites another child. Parents
should never treat biting as a game. Eliminate little "love bites" when
playing with children since youngsters can not distinguish them from painful
biting. In addition, try defusing potential biting situations before
trouble occurs by learning the youngster’s cues. For example, when toddlers
are tired, hungry, frustrated or overexcited, they are more likely to be
aggressive. If it looks as though a child might bite, send them off to "
timeout" before a victim is hurt.
When biting occurs in day care, initiate a meeting with the day care staff
to help defuse any crisis. The parents of the child who has been bitten
usually want the biter removed from day care or prevented from playing with
their child. Learn exactly how the incidents are being handled and make sure
there is a consistent plan for managing the biting. This should not include
taking the child home, if possible. Move the child to a smaller, more
closely supervised setting with fewer aggressive children. Finding a day
care whose staff is better able to deal with biting may also be helpful.
Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
disappears. The youngster can now express their feelings by talking and the
child no longer needs to bite in order to gain attention, express anger or
show frustration. The child’s physician should be contacted if a child with
good verbal skills who is over 3 years of age continues to bite.
Remember, biting is an unacceptable behavior. It will quickly make any child
and his or her parents very unpopular, and the act should therefore be
removed from the youngster’s reper
Biting Must Never Be Permitted
We teach children not to hurt others. Youngsters must therefore learn that
hitting, slapping, pinching, scratching, biting, shoving, knocking down and
hair pulling are totally unacceptable. Of all these childhood behaviors,
however, biting seems to cause parents the most problems. Horrified teachers
and day care providers occasionally overreact and harshly punish the biter,
the parents of the biter are embarrassed by the incident and the parents of
the victim are upset that their child has been hurt.
Yet biting is very common. Studies have shown that over half of all toddlers
in day care have been bitten more than once. Boys are more likely to bite
than girls and the behavior is more common when parents use physical
punishment for discipline. Children usually bite to obtain objects, gain
attention or express frustration. It is a very powerful way of being noticed!
Biting usually starts at the time teeth erupt and is usually a chance
discovery while teething. Initially, some parents think it is cute and the
child considers it a game to gain attention. Breast-fed infants generally
learn very quickly not to bite, probably because of mother’s pain and the
prompt removal of the infant from the breast.
During the toddler stage of child development, biting becomes a form of
communication. The youngster wants to be independent but lacks the necessary
verbal skills. Temper tantrums then develop as a way of expression and
biting becomes nothing more than a severe tantrum. When a toddler wants
instant attention, biting certainly will work. In children over 3 years of
age, biting occurs only in extreme circumstances when, for example, a child
is losing a fight or thinks their survival is threatened.
The child who bites needs to be closely watched by the parents or day care
provider so the biting can be quickly interrupted. A parent’s response to
biting should leave no question that they mean business. First, look the
child straight in the eye and in a loud, sharp voice say "No biting. We
never bite people" It is okay to startle the child who bites. This is not a
time for child psychology and long discussions, such as "I know you are mad,
but biting hurts and could cause an infection or scarring." Avoid giving
the child something else to bite instead, such as a towel or a stuffed
animal. The message should be clear: biting is bad. Lengthy conversations
only gain biters the attention they sought. Then, the child should be
immediately placed in "time out" for one minute per year of age. Make sure
the youngster receives no eye contact or interaction while in timeout.
Sympathizing with the victim is also helpful and may serve to avoid
secondary gain for the biter.
Never ever bite the child back - it serves absolutely no disciplinary
purpose. Biting is an immature act and parents are supposed to set an
example! Furthermore, biting a child only elicits fear and anger in the
youngster, and usually makes the adults feel so guilty that the
effectiveness of the discipline is diminished. Similarly, do not wash their
mouth out with soap, pinch their cheek, or slap their mouth. Physical
punishment only makes biting worse.
The best time to stop biting is when it first starts. Make sure siblings do
not laugh when a younger brother or sister bites another child. Parents
should never treat biting as a game. Eliminate little "love bites" when
playing with children since youngsters can not distinguish them from painful
biting. In addition, try defusing potential biting situations before
trouble occurs by learning the youngster’s cues. For example, when toddlers
are tired, hungry, frustrated or overexcited, they are more likely to be
aggressive. If it looks as though a child might bite, send them off to "
timeout" before a victim is hurt.
When biting occurs in day care, initiate a meeting with the day care staff
to help defuse any crisis. The parents of the child who has been bitten
usually want the biter removed from day care or prevented from playing with
their child. Learn exactly how the incidents are being handled and make sure
there is a consistent plan for managing the biting. This should not include
taking the child home, if possible. Move the child to a smaller, more
closely supervised setting with fewer aggressive children. Finding a day
care whose staff is better able to deal with biting may also be helpful.
Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
disappears. The youngster can now express their feelings by talking and the
child no longer needs to bite in order to gain attention, express anger or
show frustration. The child’s physician should be contacted if a child with
good verbal skills who is over 3 years of age continues to bite.
Remember, biting is an unacceptable behavior. It will quickly make any child
and his or her parents very unpopular, and the act should therefore be
removed from the youngster’s reper
g*9
60 楼
孩子一段时间对饮食总有偏好，做父母的就是提供食品让他们尝试就行了，不吃就不吃。
楼上说的逼迫孩子一定吞下去，我是不会做的。
如果你认为这是“适应”的一种方式，我就不苟同了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 小孩吃不少新东西都会觉得不适。4-5岁的小孩吃虾可能都会觉得恶心。这些一般的情
: 况是可以适应的。
: 拿有特殊的不可克服生理障碍的稀有例子来否定一般情况，对讨论有意义吗？
楼上说的逼迫孩子一定吞下去，我是不会做的。
如果你认为这是“适应”的一种方式，我就不苟同了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 小孩吃不少新东西都会觉得不适。4-5岁的小孩吃虾可能都会觉得恶心。这些一般的情
: 况是可以适应的。
: 拿有特殊的不可克服生理障碍的稀有例子来否定一般情况，对讨论有意义吗？
w*9
61 楼
咬人的问题可以被尽早解决。讨论了这么多，就不要再把绝大部分小孩没有的所谓“
outgrowth”用来做一个挡箭牌。
outgrowth”用来做一个挡箭牌。
w*9
62 楼
吃。
你对挑食和咬人问题不都是有较松的态度吗？咬人是伤别人，挑食是自己的事。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 孩子一段时间对饮食总有偏好，做父母的就是提供食品让他们尝试就行了，不吃就不吃。
: 楼上说的逼迫孩子一定吞下去，我是不会做的。
: 如果你认为这是“适应”的一种方式，我就不苟同了。
g*9
63 楼
怀疑你看了文章没有：
“Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
disappears.”
这也是我的论点。
对于bite，大家都不姑息，我不是为这种行为开脱，我同意且支持所有杜绝bite的措施
，我想大多数的家长和daycare都是照着文章里面做的，但是，这种事不是能杜绝的。
我想这篇文章，和我的回帖的本意，也是让大家了解一下，bite发生的原因。
and
teachers
biter,
of
toddlers
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=244
: Biting Must Never Be Permitted
: We teach children not to hurt others. Youngsters must therefore learn that
: hitting, slapping, pinching, scratching, biting, shoving, knocking down and
: hair pulling are totally unacceptable. Of all these childhood behaviors,
: however, biting seems to cause parents the most problems. Horrified teachers
: and day care providers occasionally overreact and harshly punish the biter,
: the parents of the biter are embarrassed by the incident and the parents of
: the victim are upset that their child has been hurt.
: Yet biting is very common. Studies have shown that over half of all toddlers
“Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
disappears.”
这也是我的论点。
对于bite，大家都不姑息，我不是为这种行为开脱，我同意且支持所有杜绝bite的措施
，我想大多数的家长和daycare都是照着文章里面做的，但是，这种事不是能杜绝的。
我想这篇文章，和我的回帖的本意，也是让大家了解一下，bite发生的原因。
and
teachers
biter,
of
toddlers
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=244
: Biting Must Never Be Permitted
: We teach children not to hurt others. Youngsters must therefore learn that
: hitting, slapping, pinching, scratching, biting, shoving, knocking down and
: hair pulling are totally unacceptable. Of all these childhood behaviors,
: however, biting seems to cause parents the most problems. Horrified teachers
: and day care providers occasionally overreact and harshly punish the biter,
: the parents of the biter are embarrassed by the incident and the parents of
: the victim are upset that their child has been hurt.
: Yet biting is very common. Studies have shown that over half of all toddlers
w*9
64 楼
你这是断章取义。那篇文章有outgrowth的意思吗？那里讲了：父母一定要把它当成很
严重的事，并且
进行让小孩震动的教育(不管儿童心理学)。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 怀疑你看了文章没有：
: “Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
: disappears.”
: 这也是我的论点。
: 对于bite，大家都不姑息，我不是为这种行为开脱，我同意且支持所有杜绝bite的措施
: ，我想大多数的家长和daycare都是照着文章里面做的，但是，这种事不是能杜绝的。
: 我想这篇文章，和我的回帖的本意，也是让大家了解一下，bite发生的原因。
:
: and
: teachers
g*9
65 楼
我家孩子被咬得多。
两大牙印都3个月还没消呢。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你这是断章取义。那篇文章有outgrowth的意思吗？那里讲了：父母一定要把它当成很
: 严重的事，并且
: 进行让小孩震动的教育(不管儿童心理学)。
两大牙印都3个月还没消呢。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你这是断章取义。那篇文章有outgrowth的意思吗？那里讲了：父母一定要把它当成很
: 严重的事，并且
: 进行让小孩震动的教育(不管儿童心理学)。
w*9
66 楼
你想说明什么？你不特别在意咬或被咬，别人也应该如此？
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 我家孩子被咬得多。
: 两大牙印都3个月还没消呢。
s*t
67 楼
我发现你挺搞笑的。你的outgrowth是什么，多大的孩子？你费了半天劲贴过来一个网
站的东西，你真的认真读了么。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 咬人的问题可以被尽早解决。讨论了这么多，就不要再把绝大部分小孩没有的所谓“
: outgrowth”用来做一个挡箭牌。
站的东西，你真的认真读了么。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 咬人的问题可以被尽早解决。讨论了这么多，就不要再把绝大部分小孩没有的所谓“
: outgrowth”用来做一个挡箭牌。
g*9
68 楼
我这叫断章取义么？
这句话难道不是outgrow的意思么？
对于bite，我同意你说的，父母要当做很严重的事情加于教育，
但是
教育一定有效么？
我很反对什么事情都是父母没有教育好，
bite这事，有一个阶段孩子是比较容易发生。
你这样抹杀父母的，老师的教育，而认为bite人的孩子就是父母没有教育好，才是断章
取义呢。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你想说明什么？你不特别在意咬或被咬，别人也应该如此？
这句话难道不是outgrow的意思么？
对于bite，我同意你说的，父母要当做很严重的事情加于教育，
但是
教育一定有效么？
我很反对什么事情都是父母没有教育好，
bite这事，有一个阶段孩子是比较容易发生。
你这样抹杀父母的，老师的教育，而认为bite人的孩子就是父母没有教育好，才是断章
取义呢。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你想说明什么？你不特别在意咬或被咬，别人也应该如此？
w*9
69 楼
我劝你回头去看一些相关的讨论。你的这些态度和观点都被讨论过了。我开这个贴的目
的不是为了过多地重复。
的不是为了过多地重复。
g*9
70 楼
我还认真读了呢，
敢情楼主看了标题就转了。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我发现你挺搞笑的。你的outgrowth是什么，多大的孩子？你费了半天劲贴过来一个网
: 站的东西，你真的认真读了么。
敢情楼主看了标题就转了。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我发现你挺搞笑的。你的outgrowth是什么，多大的孩子？你费了半天劲贴过来一个网
: 站的东西，你真的认真读了么。
s*t
71 楼
她这种的，就是脑子里有自己的一个谬见，然后就对正常的材料歪解，死争。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 我这叫断章取义么？
: 这句话难道不是outgrow的意思么？
: 对于bite，我同意你说的，父母要当做很严重的事情加于教育，
: 但是
: 教育一定有效么？
: 我很反对什么事情都是父母没有教育好，
: bite这事，有一个阶段孩子是比较容易发生。
: 你这样抹杀父母的，老师的教育，而认为bite人的孩子就是父母没有教育好，才是断章
: 取义呢。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 我这叫断章取义么？
: 这句话难道不是outgrow的意思么？
: 对于bite，我同意你说的，父母要当做很严重的事情加于教育，
: 但是
: 教育一定有效么？
: 我很反对什么事情都是父母没有教育好，
: bite这事，有一个阶段孩子是比较容易发生。
: 你这样抹杀父母的，老师的教育，而认为bite人的孩子就是父母没有教育好，才是断章
: 取义呢。
g*9
72 楼
那你开贴的目的是什么？
开了贴不让人家回那是什么目的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 我劝你回头去看一些相关的讨论。你的这些态度和观点都被讨论过了。我开这个贴的目
: 的不是为了过多地重复。
开了贴不让人家回那是什么目的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 我劝你回头去看一些相关的讨论。你的这些态度和观点都被讨论过了。我开这个贴的目
: 的不是为了过多地重复。
s*t
73 楼
不要转进。讲讲你脑子里的outgrow是个什么概念。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 我劝你回头去看一些相关的讨论。你的这些态度和观点都被讨论过了。我开这个贴的目
: 的不是为了过多地重复。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 我劝你回头去看一些相关的讨论。你的这些态度和观点都被讨论过了。我开这个贴的目
: 的不是为了过多地重复。
w*9
74 楼
你才荒唐呢？我一直说outgrowth不存在。
当然读了。那里提的教育和父母态度是干什么用的？
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我发现你挺搞笑的。你的outgrowth是什么，多大的孩子？你费了半天劲贴过来一个网
: 站的东西，你真的认真读了么。
s*t
75 楼
荒唐。那你转那篇文章干什么呢？小孩子长牙，不叫grow? 小孩子大脑发育，能够用语
言表达自己，不叫grow? 我看你是越来越搞了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你才荒唐呢？我一直说outgrowth不存在。
: 当然读了。那里提的教育和父母态度是干什么用的？
言表达自己，不叫grow? 我看你是越来越搞了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你才荒唐呢？我一直说outgrowth不存在。
: 当然读了。那里提的教育和父母态度是干什么用的？
g*9
76 楼
我在意孩子咬人，我也在意孩子被咬。
我和你一样反对这种行为，
但我和你不一样的是我努力去理解孩子为什么会有这种行为。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你才荒唐呢？我一直说outgrowth不存在。
: 当然读了。那里提的教育和父母态度是干什么用的？
我和你一样反对这种行为，
但我和你不一样的是我努力去理解孩子为什么会有这种行为。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你才荒唐呢？我一直说outgrowth不存在。
: 当然读了。那里提的教育和父母态度是干什么用的？
w*9
77 楼
别人一直提，你看不到。
我说不存在，就是个教育和规范性习惯问题。
你连这个基本点都没有明白，还挺横的。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 不要转进。讲讲你脑子里的outgrow是个什么概念。
g*9
78 楼
“Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
那你谈谈对这句话的理解。
那你谈谈对这句话的理解。
g*9
79 楼
你的意思是说，
教育100%有用？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 别人一直提，你看不到。
: 我说不存在，就是个教育和规范性习惯问题。
: 你连这个基本点都没有明白，还挺横的。
教育100%有用？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 别人一直提，你看不到。
: 我说不存在，就是个教育和规范性习惯问题。
: 你连这个基本点都没有明白，还挺横的。
s*t
80 楼
她不是100%，而是千分之一千。hoho
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是说，
: 教育100%有用？
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是说，
: 教育100%有用？
s*t
81 楼
回去好好读你自己转的文章。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 别人一直提，你看不到。
: 我说不存在，就是个教育和规范性习惯问题。
: 你连这个基本点都没有明白，还挺横的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 别人一直提，你看不到。
: 我说不存在，就是个教育和规范性习惯问题。
: 你连这个基本点都没有明白，还挺横的。
w*9
82 楼
这句话排除了教育可以把×××××××有咬人问题的小孩×××××××××（其实
是少部分小孩）的问题提前
去掉吗？
其它的句子是干嘛的？我引这个不是专对outgrowth说法的。
The child who bites needs to be closely watched by the parents or day
care provider so the biting can be quickly interrupted. A parent’s
response to biting should leave no question that they mean business.
First, look the child straight in the eye and in a loud, sharp voice say
"No biting. We never bite people" It is okay to startle the child who
bites. This is not a time for child psychology and long discussions,
such as "I know you are mad, but biting hurts and could cause an
infection or scarring." Avoid giving the child something else to bite
instead, such as a towel or a stuffed animal. The message should be
clear: biting is bad. Lengthy conversations only gain biters the
attention they sought. Then, the child should be immediately placed in
"time out" for one minute per year of age. Make sure the youngster
receives no eye contact or interaction while in timeout. Sympathizing
with the victim is also helpful and may serve to avoid secondary gain
for the biter.
Never ever bite the child back - it serves absolutely no disciplinary
purpose. Biting is an immature act and parents are supposed to set an
example! Furthermore, biting a child only elicits fear and anger in the
youngster, and usually makes the adults feel so guilty that the
effectiveness of the discipline is diminished. Similarly, do not wash
their mouth out with soap, pinch their cheek, or slap their mouth.
Physical punishment only makes biting worse.
The best time to stop biting is when it first starts. Make sure siblings
do not laugh when a younger brother or sister bites another child.
Parents should never treat biting as a game. Eliminate little "love
bites" when playing with children since youngsters can not distinguish
them from painful biting. In addition, try defusing potential biting
situations before trouble occurs by learning the youngster’s cues. For
example, when toddlers are tired, hungry, frustrated or overexcited,
they are more likely to be aggressive. If it looks as though a child
might bite, send them off to "timeout" before a victim is hurt.
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: “Fortunately, once a child’s verbal skills improve, biting usually
: 那你谈谈对这句话的理解。
w*9
83 楼
抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是说，
: 教育100%有用？
g*9
84 楼
其实这篇文章也就是我自己观察到的现象（自夸一把），
孩子有两种情况比较容易bite、biten：
1.young toddler，或语言努力比较弱（刚接触英文环境）的时候，mine, no不work，
就会一口下去（潜台词：这下明白了吧？）。且这个时候有样学样，新来的被咬了几次
，就会咬人反击。
2.其次就是孩子家庭有变故，对于自己frustrated的情绪不能控制的时候，就容易
physical。
孩子有两种情况比较容易bite、biten：
1.young toddler，或语言努力比较弱（刚接触英文环境）的时候，mine, no不work，
就会一口下去（潜台词：这下明白了吧？）。且这个时候有样学样，新来的被咬了几次
，就会咬人反击。
2.其次就是孩子家庭有变故，对于自己frustrated的情绪不能控制的时候，就容易
physical。
g*9
85 楼
呼唤对第一句话的注释。。。。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
g*9
86 楼
谁不认真了？
我说了大家都是这么做的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
我说了大家都是这么做的。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
s*t
87 楼
难得，后退一点了，不是千分之一千了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 抓紧努力教育，态度非常认真。
w*9
88 楼
这里讨论的是传说中咬人的小孩有、而不咬人的小孩没有的所谓“outgrowth”。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 荒唐。那你转那篇文章干什么呢？小孩子长牙，不叫grow? 小孩子大脑发育，能够用语
: 言表达自己，不叫grow? 我看你是越来越搞了。
s*t
89 楼
她自己是带着有色眼镜的。主观认定大人找小孩咬人原因，讲outgrow就是大人推卸教
育责任。把风马牛不相及的事情搅在一起，死争。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 谁不认真了？
: 我说了大家都是这么做的。
育责任。把风马牛不相及的事情搅在一起，死争。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 谁不认真了？
: 我说了大家都是这么做的。
s*t
90 楼
我看过旁边楼里outgrowth那个出处贴，没有你说的传说中的意思。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 这里讨论的是传说中咬人的小孩有、而不咬人的小孩没有的所谓“outgrowth”。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 这里讨论的是传说中咬人的小孩有、而不咬人的小孩没有的所谓“outgrowth”。
g*9
91 楼
你转的文章里不就说了有Outgrowth么。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 这里讨论的是传说中咬人的小孩有、而不咬人的小孩没有的所谓“outgrowth”。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 这里讨论的是传说中咬人的小孩有、而不咬人的小孩没有的所谓“outgrowth”。
w*9
92 楼
我说过的还有：也许百万分之一的小孩没法教育，到了80岁（对的）还会咬人。
你忘了？
当时我是该明确点。比如用999.9/1000。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 难得，后退一点了，不是千分之一千了。
w*9
93 楼
“会outgrow的”是只对咬人小孩的。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我看过旁边楼里outgrowth那个出处贴，没有你说的传说中的意思。
g*9
94 楼
1. 百万分之1 是1/1,000,000.
2. 你的百万分之1的出处在哪里？
大家讲科学的，说个引用吧。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: “会outgrow的”是只对咬人小孩的。
2. 你的百万分之1的出处在哪里？
大家讲科学的，说个引用吧。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: “会outgrow的”是只对咬人小孩的。
w*9
95 楼
有嘛？那是我漏掉了？××××××××如果×××是，我不赞同。
见我前面的相关理解：
对绝大多数小孩，咬人的阶段不存在，没有所谓的outgrowth。对咬人的小孩，教育程度和效果的不
同，所谓的outgrowth就会很不同。我的小孩只被咬过两次，都是同一个4岁以上小孩干的。一个存在
性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟的阶段。实际的情况是：有很小一部分小孩
有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分小孩的不规范性
一部分表现在咬人上。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 你转的文章里不就说了有Outgrowth么。
w*9
96 楼
用了“也许”。用“万分之一”和“80岁”是表示可能性很小的意思。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 1. 百万分之1 是1/1,000,000.
: 2. 你的百万分之1的出处在哪里？
: 大家讲科学的，说个引用吧。
g*9
97 楼
这回求英文版了。。。
您是英文比较好吧貌似？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 用了“也许”。用“万分之一”和“80岁”是表示可能性很小的意思。
您是英文比较好吧貌似？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 用了“也许”。用“万分之一”和“80岁”是表示可能性很小的意思。
w*9
98 楼
什么意思？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 这回求英文版了。。。
: 您是英文比较好吧貌似？
g*9
99 楼
一个存在
性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟的阶段。实际的情况是：有
很小一部分小孩
有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分
小孩的不规范性
一部分表现在咬人上。
我觉的你的遣词用句比较符合英文书写习惯。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 什么意思？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟的阶段。实际的情况是：有
很小一部分小孩
有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分
小孩的不规范性
一部分表现在咬人上。
我觉的你的遣词用句比较符合英文书写习惯。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 什么意思？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
s*t
100 楼
估计是让你好好读读你自己转的文。哈哈。我也是这个意思。你现在是那篇文章里典型
的overact。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 什么意思？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
的overact。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 什么意思？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
w*9
101 楼
你到现在表现的理解够差的了。连我最基本的观点和它的来源都没弄清楚。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 估计是让你好好读读你自己转的文。哈哈。我也是这个意思。你现在是那篇文章里典型
: 的overact。
s*t
102 楼
hehe，你自己能引一篇和自己观点都不符的文出来，我能说什么呢。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你到现在表现的理解够差的了。连我最基本的观点和它的来源都没弄清楚。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你到现在表现的理解够差的了。连我最基本的观点和它的来源都没弄清楚。
w*9
103 楼
哪？我觉得我个人的那个理解与我后来读的文章的内容没有冲突。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: hehe，你自己能引一篇和自己观点都不符的文出来，我能说什么呢。
w*9
104 楼
文章开头就说了：
We teach children not to hurt others. Youngsters must therefore learn that
hitting, slapping, pinching, scratching, biting, shoving, knocking down
and
hair pulling are totally unacceptable.
文章本来主要谈的是教育、防止和改正。提了最需要注意的阶段。那反倒被解释成和
outgrowth有联系了。自己反问一下：咬人的小孩才有的这个“outgrowth”是可以通过教育大大加快
的吧？如果是，那么这个对大部分小孩没有、而对一部分小孩可以大大缩短的outgrowth过程是什么
呢？是非自然的吧？
We teach children not to hurt others. Youngsters must therefore learn that
hitting, slapping, pinching, scratching, biting, shoving, knocking down
and
hair pulling are totally unacceptable.
文章本来主要谈的是教育、防止和改正。提了最需要注意的阶段。那反倒被解释成和
outgrowth有联系了。自己反问一下：咬人的小孩才有的这个“outgrowth”是可以通过教育大大加快
的吧？如果是，那么这个对大部分小孩没有、而对一部分小孩可以大大缩短的outgrowth过程是什么
呢？是非自然的吧？
w*9
105 楼
不会吧？我中学就基本有这种风格了。那时英文很差。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 一个存在
: 性很小、阶段确定性极其模糊的outgrowth基本上是个虚拟的阶段。实际的情况是：有
: 很小一部分小孩
: 有咬人的不规范习惯；这种习惯最可能出现在小孩的行为规范性最弱的阶段。那一部分
: 小孩的不规范性
: 一部分表现在咬人上。
: 我觉的你的遣词用句比较符合英文书写习惯。
w*9
106 楼
Grow是自然成长的意思，而教育和学习有人为的意思。一个被动，一个人为主动。只有
一定的伴随关系。文章里没有哪句话着重自然增长。相反，它强调了教育。
一定的伴随关系。文章里没有哪句话着重自然增长。相反，它强调了教育。
s*t
107 楼
你引的文说了教育的原则。因为有一个阶段，教育不能过火，搞成crisis，但也不能放
任不管。正因为你不理解这个阶段，你的做法容易过火。
而且你的英文阅读确实不怎么样。引文第一段阐述了教育的重要性。但是紧接着第二段
就来个 yet。这就是强调，更着重的强调。考过GRE的人都知道，这个地方是重点。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: Grow是自然成长的意思，而教育和学习有人为的意思。一个被动，一个人为主动。只有
: 一定的伴随关系。文章里没有哪句话着重自然增长。相反，它强调了教育。
任不管。正因为你不理解这个阶段，你的做法容易过火。
而且你的英文阅读确实不怎么样。引文第一段阐述了教育的重要性。但是紧接着第二段
就来个 yet。这就是强调，更着重的强调。考过GRE的人都知道，这个地方是重点。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: Grow是自然成长的意思，而教育和学习有人为的意思。一个被动，一个人为主动。只有
: 一定的伴随关系。文章里没有哪句话着重自然增长。相反，它强调了教育。
w*9
108 楼
还有防范和方法。也提了对被咬小孩方面应有的态度。
：因为有一个阶段，教育不能过火，搞成crisis，但也不能放
我不理解的是：有些咬人父母的那些言论反应出的比较轻松的态度。
更？？？？？？？？？？？？？ Hello！Where are you？那在文章的10段里几乎是和
第二短的
段长度差不多的。看整段讲什么？
Yet biting is very common. Studies have shown that over half of all
toddlers in day care have been bitten more than once. Boys are more
likely to bite than girls and the behavior is more common when parents
use physical punishment for discipline. Children usually bite to obtain
objects, gain attention or express frustration. It is a very powerful
way of being noticed!
：考过GRE的人都知道，这个地方是重点。
你考过GRE，而且结果很不错啊？
怎么不提靠后那句了？你前面把语言能力提高直接当成了growth（自然成长）的结果。
知道语言能
力是应该教育的才能更快更有效加提高的吗？
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 你引的文说了教育的原则。因为有一个阶段，教育不能过火，搞成crisis，但也不能放
: 任不管。正因为你不理解这个阶段，你的做法容易过火。
: 而且你的英文阅读确实不怎么样。引文第一段阐述了教育的重要性。但是紧接着第二段
: 就来个 yet。这就是强调，更着重的强调。考过GRE的人都知道，这个地方是重点。
s*t
109 楼
应有态度恰恰不是你这种极端的态度。
讲讲outgrowth就是轻松的态度，看不出逻辑。
二段
第一次听说有人是按照段落长短来区分重要性的。太搞。你还是好好学学怎么写文章吧。
语言能力提高本质是大脑发育程度到了。你的教育小孩才能接受。不然就是对牛弹琴。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 还有防范和方法。也提了对被咬小孩方面应有的态度。
: ：因为有一个阶段，教育不能过火，搞成crisis，但也不能放
: 我不理解的是：有些咬人父母的那些言论反应出的比较轻松的态度。
: 更？？？？？？？？？？？？？ Hello！Where are you？那在文章的10段里几乎是和
: 第二短的
: 段长度差不多的。看整段讲什么？
: Yet biting is very common. Studies have shown that over half of all
: toddlers in day care have been bitten more than once. Boys are more
: likely to bite than girls and the behavior is more common when parents
w*9
110 楼
极端在哪里？我没有说过父母都不教育，而是反感某些言论。那就是极端了？
我列过的“×××××比较××××××××××××轻松的态度”不止有最常被提的
outgrowth说法。在前面，我不费力就找了好几条。
吧。
还不明白？在前面，你不是提那段是比教育“更“被强调的吗？
教育是和自然增长伴随的。但是对教育的态度、教育方法、力度和效果和自然增长是很
不同的人为方面。这些不是我前面提过的吗？
My words have spoken for themselves, as yours have also.
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
:
: 应有态度恰恰不是你这种极端的态度。
: 讲讲outgrowth就是轻松的态度，看不出逻辑。
: 二段
: 第一次听说有人是按照段落长短来区分重要性的。太搞。你还是好好学学怎么写文章吧。
: 语言能力提高本质是大脑发育程度到了。你的教育小孩才能接受。不然就是对牛弹琴。
w*9
111 楼
superant,
要想有个真的辩论，你还是把对方的主要论点和逻辑等等弄清楚了。尽量不夸大，不缩
小。否则我们都是纯粹在浪费时间。
与你，我没有什么好说的了。
要想有个真的辩论，你还是把对方的主要论点和逻辑等等弄清楚了。尽量不夸大，不缩
小。否则我们都是纯粹在浪费时间。
与你，我没有什么好说的了。
g*9
112 楼
你的论点是：
有些ID拿outgrow 来开脱自己应该负有的教育教导的责任。
但是你的论据（那篇文章）从孩子成长的角度来分析咬人的原因，处理方法，咬人现象
的消失等等，并没有指出处理不当所造成的后果。
你要批评的是“开脱责任”，而不是否认“outgrowth”。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: superant,
: 要想有个真的辩论，你还是把对方的主要论点和逻辑等等弄清楚了。尽量不夸大，不缩
: 小。否则我们都是纯粹在浪费时间。
: 与你，我没有什么好说的了。
有些ID拿outgrow 来开脱自己应该负有的教育教导的责任。
但是你的论据（那篇文章）从孩子成长的角度来分析咬人的原因，处理方法，咬人现象
的消失等等，并没有指出处理不当所造成的后果。
你要批评的是“开脱责任”，而不是否认“outgrowth”。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: superant,
: 要想有个真的辩论，你还是把对方的主要论点和逻辑等等弄清楚了。尽量不夸大，不缩
: 小。否则我们都是纯粹在浪费时间。
: 与你，我没有什么好说的了。
w*9
113 楼
下面大致理一下。
我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
达到的超越）的存在，认为
它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
被人）安慰+欺骗。
对从不咬人的小孩，那个说法根本就用不上。而个别小孩非常aggressive，过了4岁孩
子还咬过人。（咬了我家的小孩两次的那个小孩就是。）
不少从不咬人的小孩的家长对outgrow的说法极其反感，总没有咬人小孩的家长还提
outgrow的说法更惹人烦吧？我的小孩被咬出血印的那次（还有一次没有那么严重），
我老婆很担心，怕有什么病菌或病毒进去。我安慰了好几次，说是差不多就是淤血，有
事的可能性几乎为零。
发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 02:31:16 2010, 美东)
改咬人坏习惯的努力是主动行为。而长短很不确定的所谓outgrowth过程却是很有被动
性的。
虽然咬人可能是个普遍的问题，咬人不是“正常”的。
发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 12:03:20 2010, 美东)
http://www.pkids.org/pdf/phr/08-03biting.pdf
只有大概10%的toddler咬人。绝不像有些人想的那样普遍。
但是，有报告说：daycare里的大部分小孩被人咬过。
既然90%左右的toddler不咬人，outgrow的说法对他们不适用，为什么一些咬人小孩的
家长还用outgrow和类似的“能ready”这些被动的字眼来解释可以尽快改掉的自己小孩
的坏行为或习惯？
要知道，一般小孩不是ready被别人咬的，很多家长也不是ready自己小孩被人要。为什
么你们就非要说“我的小孩会有一天ready不咬别人小孩“？
对Northbeach的某些最主要论点你们不接受，对还有其他被咬家长有类似意见，你们也
那么难更多地接受吗？
希望有些头脑清醒的、咬人小孩的家长站出来，反驳这里咬人小孩的家长那种“等”的
×××被动说法×××。
发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 15:18:41 2010, 美东)
10%的toddler咬人，90%的不咬人，过半的被咬。
然后，咬人小孩的一些家人还会在话后加一句：会outgrow的。或者更通俗地说法：孩
子还小。
一个最大的争论就是这么来的。
然后我就觉得有必要开这个主题，从上一个帖子开始发展。
我写下面一些帖子的时候，心里一直以outgrowth不存在为一个前提。
标题。
第9贴。
第46贴。
第47贴。（这个明确指出了。后来给你特别看过其中大部分内容。）
为了主题，引进了类似的情况。见第9贴。
后来讨论扩大。否认它和批评用它变成了一小部分。见第50贴。
我是在强调人为(或者主动）方面：教育。对比的是自然（或者被动）的方面：自然增
长。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 你的论点是：
: 有些ID拿outgrow 来开脱自己应该负有的教育教导的责任。
: 但是你的论据（那篇文章）从孩子成长的角度来分析咬人的原因，处理方法，咬人现象
: 的消失等等，并没有指出处理不当所造成的后果。
: 你要批评的是“开脱责任”，而不是否认“outgrowth”。
n*y
114 楼
那个理论先放放，探讨点儿实际问题。
你有娃儿的吧？你娃儿咬人/被咬过没有？怎么处理如何教育的？效果如何？打人/被打
过没有？怎么处理教育的？效果如何？
任何时间然后有没有教过你娃儿打/咬回去/玩具抢回来？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 下面大致理一下。
: 我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
: 达到的超越）的存在，认为
: 它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
: 在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
: 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
: 对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
你有娃儿的吧？你娃儿咬人/被咬过没有？怎么处理如何教育的？效果如何？打人/被打
过没有？怎么处理教育的？效果如何？
任何时间然后有没有教过你娃儿打/咬回去/玩具抢回来？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 下面大致理一下。
: 我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
: 达到的超越）的存在，认为
: 它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
: 在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
: 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
: 对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
g*9
115 楼
1.
“既然90%左右的toddler不咬人，outgrow的说法对他们不适用，”
和你的下文
“为什么一些咬人小孩的家长还用outgrow和类似的“能ready”这些被动的字眼来解释
可以尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯？”
之间没有任何联系。
不咬人的孩子没有outgrowth的必要， 不等于 咬人的孩子也没有outgrowth的过程。
比如 colic， 70%的孩子没有colic，但是 30%的孩子中的绝大部分都会Outgrowth。
2.
"尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯"。
努力的过程和努力的结果是有区别的。
有些孩子的父母很努力的改正，打个比方咬人的比例下降了90%，但是仍然有10%的机会
会咬人。
而不咬人的父母不需要做出任何的努力。
哪个父母更尽责任一点？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 下面大致理一下。
: 我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
: 达到的超越）的存在，认为
: 它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
: 在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
: 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
: 对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
“既然90%左右的toddler不咬人，outgrow的说法对他们不适用，”
和你的下文
“为什么一些咬人小孩的家长还用outgrow和类似的“能ready”这些被动的字眼来解释
可以尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯？”
之间没有任何联系。
不咬人的孩子没有outgrowth的必要， 不等于 咬人的孩子也没有outgrowth的过程。
比如 colic， 70%的孩子没有colic，但是 30%的孩子中的绝大部分都会Outgrowth。
2.
"尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯"。
努力的过程和努力的结果是有区别的。
有些孩子的父母很努力的改正，打个比方咬人的比例下降了90%，但是仍然有10%的机会
会咬人。
而不咬人的父母不需要做出任何的努力。
哪个父母更尽责任一点？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 下面大致理一下。
: 我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
: 达到的超越）的存在，认为
: 它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
: 在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
: 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
: 对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
g*9
116 楼
“我是在强调人为(或者主动）方面：教育。对比的是自然（或者被动）的方面：自然
增长。”
这两者之间有冲突么？
最后不都是不咬了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 下面大致理一下。
: 我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
: 达到的超越）的存在，认为
: 它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
: 在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
: 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
: 对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
增长。”
这两者之间有冲突么？
最后不都是不咬了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 下面大致理一下。
: 我××××多次×××××否认了那个outgrowth（由于××××自然××××增长而
: 达到的超越）的存在，认为
: 它是虚拟（也就是不存在）的。
: 在开这个主题前，我就几次说过它不存在。
: 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 关于咬人这件事
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 01:52:43 2010, 美东)
: 对daycare里的一岁以上的小孩，那个outgrow的说法基本上是个大胡扯。主要被用来（
w*9
117 楼
点一下：10%小孩具有的咬人倾向与自然成长没有必然联系，但是有某种时间上的程度
变化和伴随关系。
教育可以大大减短这种伴随。
教育好咬人的小孩不是被咬小孩家长的责任。为什么拿、并且单拿这种教育，来比两类
家长里哪
个“更”尽责？
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 1.
: “既然90%左右的toddler不咬人，outgrow的说法对他们不适用，”
: 和你的下文
: “为什么一些咬人小孩的家长还用outgrow和类似的“能ready”这些被动的字眼来解释
: 可以尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯？”
: 之间没有任何联系。
: 不咬人的孩子没有outgrowth的必要， 不等于 咬人的孩子也没有outgrowth的过程。
: 比如 colic， 70%的孩子没有colic，但是 30%的孩子中的绝大部分都会Outgrowth。
: 2.
: "尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯"。
变化和伴随关系。
教育可以大大减短这种伴随。
教育好咬人的小孩不是被咬小孩家长的责任。为什么拿、并且单拿这种教育，来比两类
家长里哪
个“更”尽责？
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: 1.
: “既然90%左右的toddler不咬人，outgrow的说法对他们不适用，”
: 和你的下文
: “为什么一些咬人小孩的家长还用outgrow和类似的“能ready”这些被动的字眼来解释
: 可以尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯？”
: 之间没有任何联系。
: 不咬人的孩子没有outgrowth的必要， 不等于 咬人的孩子也没有outgrowth的过程。
: 比如 colic， 70%的孩子没有colic，但是 30%的孩子中的绝大部分都会Outgrowth。
: 2.
: "尽快改掉的自己小孩的坏行为或习惯"。
l*n
118 楼
你们真是读书人，抠字眼的本领太高了。大部分人有共识，咬人不对，咬人要管，不就
行了么，还能引经据典讲这么多
行了么，还能引经据典讲这么多
w*9
119 楼
对比不是暗指有冲突。教育是最关键。提自然增长，是源于有那类“outgrowth”的说
法。
教育力度和效果上的差距，会造成规范性加强的快慢。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: “我是在强调人为(或者主动）方面：教育。对比的是自然（或者被动）的方面：自然
: 增长。”
: 这两者之间有冲突么？
: 最后不都是不咬了。
w*9
120 楼
你太简单化了。
观念上的冲突，和对相关行动或处理上的看法,让这个两年前的热闹话题又浮出来、热
闹了。
【在 l*****n 的大作中提到】
: 你们真是读书人，抠字眼的本领太高了。大部分人有共识，咬人不对，咬人要管，不就
: 行了么，还能引经据典讲这么多
w*9
121 楼
前面说过了。没咬过。只被同一个小孩（4岁多）咬过两次。
：怎么处理如何教育的？效果如何？打人/被打
在相关主题里，看到两个人没有很主动办法的样子，我主动性地“发问”过两、三次（
比如家里人演
示，还有嘴里塞黄连等）。
我们只有被提醒过pushing（有很大的类似）。不超过3次。有一次很严重，被我要求在
她自己房间2
小时（基本上）静坐。
在家里会giving和sharing的教育，在外每个星期有toy sharing（总是带她最喜欢的一些
去）。我们自己买的玩具很多。几年来，有个大几岁的小女孩一直把（像是所有）的玩
具转送给她。
【在 n****y 的大作中提到】
: 那个理论先放放，探讨点儿实际问题。
: 你有娃儿的吧？你娃儿咬人/被咬过没有？怎么处理如何教育的？效果如何？打人/被打
: 过没有？怎么处理教育的？效果如何？
: 任何时间然后有没有教过你娃儿打/咬回去/玩具抢回来？
g*9
122 楼
"10%小孩具有的咬人倾向与自然成长没有必然联系"
你反复的试图否认这一点，
你的理论依据就是90%的孩子不咬人，
除此之外，还有什么直接理论依据么？
教育小孩的责任是所有父母的责任，咬人的小孩的父母，无疑承担更大的责任。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 点一下：10%小孩具有的咬人倾向与自然成长没有必然联系，但是有某种时间上的程度
: 变化和伴随关系。
: 教育可以大大减短这种伴随。
: 教育好咬人的小孩不是被咬小孩家长的责任。为什么拿、并且单拿这种教育，来比两类
: 家长里哪
: 个“更”尽责？
你反复的试图否认这一点，
你的理论依据就是90%的孩子不咬人，
除此之外，还有什么直接理论依据么？
教育小孩的责任是所有父母的责任，咬人的小孩的父母，无疑承担更大的责任。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 点一下：10%小孩具有的咬人倾向与自然成长没有必然联系，但是有某种时间上的程度
: 变化和伴随关系。
: 教育可以大大减短这种伴随。
: 教育好咬人的小孩不是被咬小孩家长的责任。为什么拿、并且单拿这种教育，来比两类
: 家长里哪
: 个“更”尽责？
w*9
123 楼
首先，你在和我讨论的是：对一般的咬人小孩，可以大大缩短的所谓的“outgrowth”的存在。
有什么特殊的原因，让你认为咬人与其它不规范行为（比如推人、抓人等等）不同，同自然成长有必然
联系？
我反复强调了教育可以让咬人倾向和自然增长的伴随关系***尽早脱离××××××。
你提这个有什么意义呢？在这个×××单×××方面，是应该的。小孩需要被教育的方面很多。
【在 g*********9 的大作中提到】
: "10%小孩具有的咬人倾向与自然成长没有必然联系"
: 你反复的试图否认这一点，
: 你的理论依据就是90%的孩子不咬人，
: 除此之外，还有什么直接理论依据么？
: 教育小孩的责任是所有父母的责任，咬人的小孩的父母，无疑承担更大的责任。
s*t
124 楼
主要是家长要有正确的知识和认识，要管，但不要造成没必要的crisis。零容忍是不成
立的，矫枉过正了，这种态度与纵容不管一样，也是有害。
小孩子在1-3岁左右，一般会有这么个时期。在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
，可能会更常见。我家老二在两岁到三岁期间咬过他哥几次。他哥在这个阶段就没有这
个问题，因为无人可咬。但是老二到三岁前，这个现象自动消失了。daycare也上得很好
，没咬人，也没被人咬。家长教育在这个阶段对小孩的影响肯定是打折扣的。wewill20
09巴巴地引来一篇文，其实讲述的就是这种事实，以及基于这种事实，家长该进行怎样
正确的教育。
wewill2009的小孩是被一个4岁多的小孩咬的。这是她走到极端方面的主因。她在用一个
正态分布tail里的例子，来否定正态分布的主区间。她的例子里的小孩教育是出了问题
滴。小孩成长迅速。家长不区分阶段，不掌握因阶段施教，一刀切，是非常不对滴。所
有争论即在此。
PS, wewill2009的引用文章里阐述了咬人阶段的结束是和语言能力的达标挂钩的。这里
回复一下另一个楼里的问题。那个妈妈说我小孩都会回来和我汇报的呀，咬不咬人我肯
定知道了。那么恭喜你，当你的小孩能够说出来，向你汇报的时候，这个阶段应该结束
了。如果再发生咬人问题，家长要好好反思问题症结所在了。
【在 l*****n 的大作中提到】
: 你们真是读书人，抠字眼的本领太高了。大部分人有共识，咬人不对，咬人要管，不就
: 行了么，还能引经据典讲这么多
立的，矫枉过正了，这种态度与纵容不管一样，也是有害。
小孩子在1-3岁左右，一般会有这么个时期。在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
，可能会更常见。我家老二在两岁到三岁期间咬过他哥几次。他哥在这个阶段就没有这
个问题，因为无人可咬。但是老二到三岁前，这个现象自动消失了。daycare也上得很好
，没咬人，也没被人咬。家长教育在这个阶段对小孩的影响肯定是打折扣的。wewill20
09巴巴地引来一篇文，其实讲述的就是这种事实，以及基于这种事实，家长该进行怎样
正确的教育。
wewill2009的小孩是被一个4岁多的小孩咬的。这是她走到极端方面的主因。她在用一个
正态分布tail里的例子，来否定正态分布的主区间。她的例子里的小孩教育是出了问题
滴。小孩成长迅速。家长不区分阶段，不掌握因阶段施教，一刀切，是非常不对滴。所
有争论即在此。
PS, wewill2009的引用文章里阐述了咬人阶段的结束是和语言能力的达标挂钩的。这里
回复一下另一个楼里的问题。那个妈妈说我小孩都会回来和我汇报的呀，咬不咬人我肯
定知道了。那么恭喜你，当你的小孩能够说出来，向你汇报的时候，这个阶段应该结束
了。如果再发生咬人问题，家长要好好反思问题症结所在了。
【在 l*****n 的大作中提到】
: 你们真是读书人，抠字眼的本领太高了。大部分人有共识，咬人不对，咬人要管，不就
: 行了么，还能引经据典讲这么多
w*9
125 楼
×××自动消失
×××××××××××××了。daycare也上得很好
wewill20
一个
你很极端和偏执狭隘地理解我的辩论，是基于容不得不少人反感（我在第50贴里提到、
在仅仅4页讨论里
找到的）你那种“自然消失”一类的提法。这不是很显然的吗？
在加入这个讨论前，我不知道、更没有想到过不少咬人小孩的家长们竟然有这类说法，
而且有的还坚持
得非常顽固。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是家长要有正确的知识和认识，要管，但不要造成没必要的crisis。零容忍是不成
: 立的，矫枉过正了，这种态度与纵容不管一样，也是有害。
: 小孩子在1-3岁左右，一般会有这么个时期。在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
: ，可能会更常见。我家老二在两岁到三岁期间咬过他哥几次。他哥在这个阶段就没有这
: 个问题，因为无人可咬。但是老二到三岁前，这个现象自动消失了。daycare也上得很好
: ，没咬人，也没被人咬。家长教育在这个阶段对小孩的影响肯定是打折扣的。wewill20
: 09巴巴地引来一篇文，其实讲述的就是这种事实，以及基于这种事实，家长该进行怎样
: 正确的教育。
: wewill2009的小孩是被一个4岁多的小孩咬的。这是她走到极端方面的主因。她在用一个
: 正态分布tail里的例子，来否定正态分布的主区间。她的例子里的小孩教育是出了问题
s*t
126 楼
well， 小孩发育的事实就是事实。你再辩来辩去，事实颠扑不破。
观点咱都摆明了，众家长也心里有数。that's enough。今天阳光灿烂，还要带小孩子
去玩，恕不奉陪。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: ×××自动消失
: ×××××××××××××了。daycare也上得很好
: wewill20
: 一个
: 你很极端和偏执狭隘地理解我的辩论，是基于容不得不少人反感（我在第50贴里提到、
: 在仅仅4页讨论里
: 找到的）你那种“自然消失”一类的提法。这不是很显然的吗？
: 在加入这个讨论前，我不知道、更没有想到过不少咬人小孩的家长们竟然有这类说法，
: 而且有的还坚持
观点咱都摆明了，众家长也心里有数。that's enough。今天阳光灿烂，还要带小孩子
去玩，恕不奉陪。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: ×××自动消失
: ×××××××××××××了。daycare也上得很好
: wewill20
: 一个
: 你很极端和偏执狭隘地理解我的辩论，是基于容不得不少人反感（我在第50贴里提到、
: 在仅仅4页讨论里
: 找到的）你那种“自然消失”一类的提法。这不是很显然的吗？
: 在加入这个讨论前，我不知道、更没有想到过不少咬人小孩的家长们竟然有这类说法，
: 而且有的还坚持
w*9
127 楼
你把你的那种“自动就好了”的观点当事实，那种观点就是不容质疑的事实了？对质疑那样想的不少人，
你还一直挺横的。
我们这儿几乎每天会有阳光灿烂，玩得我一脸黑。阴天多好。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: well， 小孩发育的事实就是事实。你再辩来辩去，事实颠扑不破。
: 观点咱都摆明了，众家长也心里有数。that's enough。今天阳光灿烂，还要带小孩子
: 去玩，恕不奉陪。
n*y
128 楼
就是说 你这个解决方案是理论上的，没有实践检验过哈。
明白鸟。
一些
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你把你的那种“自动就好了”的观点当事实，那种观点就是不容质疑的事实了？对质疑那样想的不少人，
: 你还一直挺横的。
: 我们这儿几乎每天会有阳光灿烂，玩得我一脸黑。阴天多好。
明白鸟。
一些
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你把你的那种“自动就好了”的观点当事实，那种观点就是不容质疑的事实了？对质疑那样想的不少人，
: 你还一直挺横的。
: 我们这儿几乎每天会有阳光灿烂，玩得我一脸黑。阴天多好。
w*9
129 楼
不是理论，而是逻辑上的论述。
那个outgrowth的说法也不是理论，而是对这个描述的曲解：咬人现象最可能出现在比较小的时候，
大了就极少有了。
推人、抓人、不愿分享、特别任性、过分依赖、和很挑食等不也是类似的吗？
我提过：有人从小生活中狼群里，后来就有了狼类的规范。回到人类社会后，重新规范就很难。
如果我不管自己小孩大的坏毛病，而说：会outgrowth的，那么她的那些毛病肯定会持续更长。
咬人的小孩如果没有老师监管，那么小孩之间就会有更多的咬人现象出现。
管得效果不同，同一个一般的小孩可以在3个月内改掉，也可能在9个月内才改掉，不是吗？这和自然
增长有多大联系呢？不就是时间段可以变化的伴随关系吗？
如果小孩一咬人就给嘴里放片最辣的东西，很多咬人的小孩肯定会改得快很多。
【在 n****y 的大作中提到】
: 就是说 你这个解决方案是理论上的，没有实践检验过哈。
: 明白鸟。
:
: 一些
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有效的教育可以大大加快改正小孩咬人的问题。
http://www.amazon.com/Teeth-Biting-Board-Book-Behavior/product-reviews/1575421283/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Customer Reviews
Teeth Are Not for Biting (Board Book) (Best Behavior Series)
×××××××××××××
Life saving book!! My son has been biting other kids a school and I was told
that he might not be able to come back if the biting didn't stop. I was at
my ends with the biting and started to look around for books and other
methods of teaching him to communicate. This book has been a life saver. My
son (2 1/2) has memorized this book (even reading it to himself in bed) and
is using examples (i.e. alternatives to biting) learned from this book at
school. The director of the school and all the teachers are just in shock
with the 180 my son has done.
I would recommend this book to any person who has a child who bits!
×××××××××××
My baby daughter, at age 11 months, went through a few weeks of sporadic
biting. She would unexpectedly bite the shoulder of her mommy, daddy, and
big sister - hard enough to make little tooth-shaped bruises. I ordered this
book, and the morning it arrived she had just bitten her sister's shoulder
(again). I sat down in the rocking chair with her and read this book -- when
I got to the page showing a girl crying with a big "boo-boo" on her arm (
where someone had bitten her) and explained how that girl had been hurt by
someone's teeth, my baby put her head on my shoulder and cried. The book
makes it clear that "teeth are not for biting!"
We knew she had been teething, and I was so glad the book even talked about
that -- the REASONS toddlers sometimes bite! Babies want to be understood!
She seemed relieved when I got to the page about children biting when their
teeth are hurting -- like, "Oh, somebody finally understands what I'm going
through!" She seemed to grasp the concept of this book*, and she has not
bitten any of us since the day we first read it!
××××××××××
We have a wonderful little 14 month old guy at our daycare who has been
randomly biting everyone. Including my 7 month old baby girl. The sitter and
the boy's mom had tried all kinds of things. Startling him, ignoring him to
comfort the bite-ee, and a myriad of other stuff. Out of desperation (I am
crazy about our sitter AND this little boy, but was unhappy about the biting
), I bought this book after the third bite in a week. The sitter read it to
the little guy and injected the little boy's name into every "you" in the
book. It seems to have gotten the message across and so far no more bites
have gone down. Best of all, there is a section with information and ideas
for parents and caregivers about biting, why it happens, ideas to prevent
and re-direct. I really like the approach of this book and I highly
recommend it to anyone with a biter or bite-ee that needs some help.
。。。。。。
out of 39 reviews，
33 5-star
5 4-star
1 3-star
http://www.amazon.com/Teeth-Biting-Board-Book-Behavior/product-reviews/1575421283/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Customer Reviews
Teeth Are Not for Biting (Board Book) (Best Behavior Series)
×××××××××××××
Life saving book!! My son has been biting other kids a school and I was told
that he might not be able to come back if the biting didn't stop. I was at
my ends with the biting and started to look around for books and other
methods of teaching him to communicate. This book has been a life saver. My
son (2 1/2) has memorized this book (even reading it to himself in bed) and
is using examples (i.e. alternatives to biting) learned from this book at
school. The director of the school and all the teachers are just in shock
with the 180 my son has done.
I would recommend this book to any person who has a child who bits!
×××××××××××
My baby daughter, at age 11 months, went through a few weeks of sporadic
biting. She would unexpectedly bite the shoulder of her mommy, daddy, and
big sister - hard enough to make little tooth-shaped bruises. I ordered this
book, and the morning it arrived she had just bitten her sister's shoulder
(again). I sat down in the rocking chair with her and read this book -- when
I got to the page showing a girl crying with a big "boo-boo" on her arm (
where someone had bitten her) and explained how that girl had been hurt by
someone's teeth, my baby put her head on my shoulder and cried. The book
makes it clear that "teeth are not for biting!"
We knew she had been teething, and I was so glad the book even talked about
that -- the REASONS toddlers sometimes bite! Babies want to be understood!
She seemed relieved when I got to the page about children biting when their
teeth are hurting -- like, "Oh, somebody finally understands what I'm going
through!" She seemed to grasp the concept of this book*, and she has not
bitten any of us since the day we first read it!
××××××××××
We have a wonderful little 14 month old guy at our daycare who has been
randomly biting everyone. Including my 7 month old baby girl. The sitter and
the boy's mom had tried all kinds of things. Startling him, ignoring him to
comfort the bite-ee, and a myriad of other stuff. Out of desperation (I am
crazy about our sitter AND this little boy, but was unhappy about the biting
), I bought this book after the third bite in a week. The sitter read it to
the little guy and injected the little boy's name into every "you" in the
book. It seems to have gotten the message across and so far no more bites
have gone down. Best of all, there is a section with information and ideas
for parents and caregivers about biting, why it happens, ideas to prevent
and re-direct. I really like the approach of this book and I highly
recommend it to anyone with a biter or bite-ee that needs some help.
。。。。。。
out of 39 reviews，
33 5-star
5 4-star
1 3-star
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851374/
Paediatr Child Health. 1998 Sep–Oct; 3(5): 354.
PMCID: PMC2851374
Copyright © 1998 Canadian Paediatric Society. All rights reserved
When children at day care bite: What are the risks?
Even with every precaution, injuries still happen in day care centres. By
nature, children are very active, and some may be aggressive or anxious.
They may push, shove or even bite another child in the playroom. If your
child is bitten by a playmate, you may be worried about the possibility of
infection. This information sheet provides accurate information about the
risks of human bites and how to care for bite wounds properly.
MY CHILD WAS BITTEN BY ANOTHER AT THE DAY CARE CENTRE. DOES THAT HAPPEN
FREQUENTLY?
Children in day care centres often bite, but most bites are harmless and don
’t break the skin. Surveys have shown that up to half of all children in
day care centres were bitten during a one-year period. Most bites happened
in September at the beginning of the day care year. Toddlers (age 13 to 24
months) were bitten most frequently. Bites were most often to the arms and
the face. Only one bite in 50 (2%) broke the skin. No child had to be taken
to the doctor because of a bite.
IS THERE A RISK THAT THE BITE WOUND MIGHT BECOME INFECTED?
Only rarely do wounds from human bites become infected, and these infections
usually result from fights among adults. Severe bites are unusual in day
care centres and almost never lead to bacterial infections.
Hepatitis viruses and human immunodeficiency virus
Hepatitis B is usually transmitted by contact of the mucous membranes, such
as the mouth or the eyes, with blood or saliva from infected people. The
virus is not transmitted by simple contact of saliva with normal skin. Only
a bite that breaks the skin can transmit hepatitis B virus. A child with
hepatitis B who bites another and breaks the skin may expose the child who
was bitten to hepatitis B infection. Another high risk situation occurs when
an unvaccinated child bites an infected one, and the blood from the
infected child enters the biter’s mouth. If that happens, a child who is
not vaccinated against hepatitis B should be treated by a doctor.
The risk of transmitting human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) through a bite
in the day care centre, even when the skin is broken, is extremely unlikely.
Treating a child with anti-HIV drugs is not recommended.
HOW TO CARE FOR BITE WOUNDS IN A DAY CARE CENTRE?
If your child was bitten by another at the day care centre, here is what you
should do. If the skin is not broken, clean the wound with soap and water,
apply a cold compress and soothe your child gently. If the skin is broken,
let the wound bleed gently;
clean the wound carefully with soap and water;
apply a mild antiseptic;
check whether your child has been vaccinated against tetanus and make sure
that the shot is up-to-date;
watch the wound over the next few days;
if it gets red or begins to swell, call your doctor; and
talk with your doctor about whether your child needs a vaccine against
hepatitis B.
Footnotes
This information should not be used as a substitute for the medical care and
advice of your physician. There may be variations in treatment that your
physician may recommend based on individual facts and circumstances.
This information may be reproduced without permission and shared with
patients and their families. (Reviewed by the Canadian Paediatric Society
Board of Directors)
Paediatr Child Health. 1998 Sep–Oct; 3(5): 354.
PMCID: PMC2851374
Copyright © 1998 Canadian Paediatric Society. All rights reserved
When children at day care bite: What are the risks?
Even with every precaution, injuries still happen in day care centres. By
nature, children are very active, and some may be aggressive or anxious.
They may push, shove or even bite another child in the playroom. If your
child is bitten by a playmate, you may be worried about the possibility of
infection. This information sheet provides accurate information about the
risks of human bites and how to care for bite wounds properly.
MY CHILD WAS BITTEN BY ANOTHER AT THE DAY CARE CENTRE. DOES THAT HAPPEN
FREQUENTLY?
Children in day care centres often bite, but most bites are harmless and don
’t break the skin. Surveys have shown that up to half of all children in
day care centres were bitten during a one-year period. Most bites happened
in September at the beginning of the day care year. Toddlers (age 13 to 24
months) were bitten most frequently. Bites were most often to the arms and
the face. Only one bite in 50 (2%) broke the skin. No child had to be taken
to the doctor because of a bite.
IS THERE A RISK THAT THE BITE WOUND MIGHT BECOME INFECTED?
Only rarely do wounds from human bites become infected, and these infections
usually result from fights among adults. Severe bites are unusual in day
care centres and almost never lead to bacterial infections.
Hepatitis viruses and human immunodeficiency virus
Hepatitis B is usually transmitted by contact of the mucous membranes, such
as the mouth or the eyes, with blood or saliva from infected people. The
virus is not transmitted by simple contact of saliva with normal skin. Only
a bite that breaks the skin can transmit hepatitis B virus. A child with
hepatitis B who bites another and breaks the skin may expose the child who
was bitten to hepatitis B infection. Another high risk situation occurs when
an unvaccinated child bites an infected one, and the blood from the
infected child enters the biter’s mouth. If that happens, a child who is
not vaccinated against hepatitis B should be treated by a doctor.
The risk of transmitting human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) through a bite
in the day care centre, even when the skin is broken, is extremely unlikely.
Treating a child with anti-HIV drugs is not recommended.
HOW TO CARE FOR BITE WOUNDS IN A DAY CARE CENTRE?
If your child was bitten by another at the day care centre, here is what you
should do. If the skin is not broken, clean the wound with soap and water,
apply a cold compress and soothe your child gently. If the skin is broken,
let the wound bleed gently;
clean the wound carefully with soap and water;
apply a mild antiseptic;
check whether your child has been vaccinated against tetanus and make sure
that the shot is up-to-date;
watch the wound over the next few days;
if it gets red or begins to swell, call your doctor; and
talk with your doctor about whether your child needs a vaccine against
hepatitis B.
Footnotes
This information should not be used as a substitute for the medical care and
advice of your physician. There may be variations in treatment that your
physician may recommend based on individual facts and circumstances.
This information may be reproduced without permission and shared with
patients and their families. (Reviewed by the Canadian Paediatric Society
Board of Directors)
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2532918/
Paediatr Child Health. 2008 July; 13(6): 520–521.
PMCID: PMC2532918
Copyright © 2008, Canadian Paediatric Society. All rights reserved
Biting in child care: What are the risks?
No parent wants to hear that their child has been bitten (or has bitten
another child) while in child care, but it does happen. Young children are
very active, and bites can happen by accident when they are playing. Some
children may become aggressive or anxious, and may bite on purpose. The good
news is that most bites are harmless and do not break the skin.
Is there a risk that the bite wound might become infected?
Wounds from human bites – especially by young children – don’t usually
become infected with bacteria. Serious bites by children are unusual in
child care centres.
Still, some parents are concerned about some of the more serious infections
that are transmitted through blood, such as hepatitis B or C, and HIV (the
virus that causes AIDS).
Hepatitis B
Hepatitis B is passed from person to person through blood and other bodily
fluids. It can be passed through sexual intercourse, from mother to baby,
and through sharing of needles and syringes. The virus is not passed by
contact of saliva with normal skin.
Only a bite that breaks the skin can pass hepatitis B. A child with
hepatitis B who bites another child and breaks the skin may expose the
bitten child to hepatitis B infection. Also, a child who bites another child
who has hepatitis B may be exposed to the virus if blood from the bitten
child enters the biter’s mouth. In both cases, if your child has not been
vaccinated against hepatitis B, she should be seen and treated by a doctor.
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C is also passed from person to person through blood or other
bodily fluids. It has occasionally been passed through severe bites between
adults that caused a lot of bleeding. Hepatitis C infection is rare in young
children, and bites by young children rarely cause bleeding. Hepatitis C
infection from a bite by a young child is extremely unlikely and has never
been reported.
HIV
HIV is passed through sexual intercourse, from mother to baby, or through
blood when needles and syringes are shared. It has been passed through very
traumatic bites by adults that caused a lot of bleeding into the mouth. The
chance of transmitting HIV through a bite in the child care centre, even
when the skin is broken, is extremely unlikely and has never been reported.
Giving a child anti-HIV drugs after a bite is not recommended.
How are bite wounds cared for in a child care centre?
If a child is bitten by another child at the child care centre, here is what
a child care practitioner should do:
If the skin is not broken, clean the wound with soap and water. Apply a cold
compress and gently soothe the child.
If the skin is broken:
Let the wound bleed gently. Do not squeeze it.
Clean the wound carefully with soap and water.
Apply a mild antiseptic, such as hydrogen peroxide.
A caregiver should inform the parents of both children (the bitten and the
biter).
Check to see whether the bitten child has been vaccinated against tetanus,
and if he has had all of the recommended doses. If not, refer the child to a
doctor or clinic for a tetanus vaccine.
Check whether the bitten child and the biter have been fully vaccinated
against hepatitis B. If not, they should be referred right away to a doctor
or clinic for hepatitis B vaccine.
Watch the wound over the next few days. If it gets red or begins to swell,
the child should be seen by a doctor.
If the bite is very serious and the child bleeds a lot, talk to the child’s
doctor right away.
What can parents do?
Teach your child not to bite. Do not pretend to bite your child or let your
child bite you in play. When your child is old enough to understand, teach
her that biting hurts and can be dangerous to her and to whoever she bites.
If your child attends child care, have him vaccinated for hepatitis B. In
some provinces, this vaccine is given to all babies, while in others, it is
given to all children in elementary school. Talk to your doctor.
Children with hepatitis B, hepatitis C or HIV infection have the right to
attend child care without discrimination (unfairness), and the right to
privacy about their medical diagnoses. You do not have to tell the child
care staff about these infections. If you choose to, the staff must keep
this information private. If your child has hepatitis B, hepatitis C or HIV
infection, discuss the best options for child care with your child’s doctor
, as well as who to tell.
Paediatr Child Health. 2008 July; 13(6): 520–521.
PMCID: PMC2532918
Copyright © 2008, Canadian Paediatric Society. All rights reserved
Biting in child care: What are the risks?
No parent wants to hear that their child has been bitten (or has bitten
another child) while in child care, but it does happen. Young children are
very active, and bites can happen by accident when they are playing. Some
children may become aggressive or anxious, and may bite on purpose. The good
news is that most bites are harmless and do not break the skin.
Is there a risk that the bite wound might become infected?
Wounds from human bites – especially by young children – don’t usually
become infected with bacteria. Serious bites by children are unusual in
child care centres.
Still, some parents are concerned about some of the more serious infections
that are transmitted through blood, such as hepatitis B or C, and HIV (the
virus that causes AIDS).
Hepatitis B
Hepatitis B is passed from person to person through blood and other bodily
fluids. It can be passed through sexual intercourse, from mother to baby,
and through sharing of needles and syringes. The virus is not passed by
contact of saliva with normal skin.
Only a bite that breaks the skin can pass hepatitis B. A child with
hepatitis B who bites another child and breaks the skin may expose the
bitten child to hepatitis B infection. Also, a child who bites another child
who has hepatitis B may be exposed to the virus if blood from the bitten
child enters the biter’s mouth. In both cases, if your child has not been
vaccinated against hepatitis B, she should be seen and treated by a doctor.
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C is also passed from person to person through blood or other
bodily fluids. It has occasionally been passed through severe bites between
adults that caused a lot of bleeding. Hepatitis C infection is rare in young
children, and bites by young children rarely cause bleeding. Hepatitis C
infection from a bite by a young child is extremely unlikely and has never
been reported.
HIV
HIV is passed through sexual intercourse, from mother to baby, or through
blood when needles and syringes are shared. It has been passed through very
traumatic bites by adults that caused a lot of bleeding into the mouth. The
chance of transmitting HIV through a bite in the child care centre, even
when the skin is broken, is extremely unlikely and has never been reported.
Giving a child anti-HIV drugs after a bite is not recommended.
How are bite wounds cared for in a child care centre?
If a child is bitten by another child at the child care centre, here is what
a child care practitioner should do:
If the skin is not broken, clean the wound with soap and water. Apply a cold
compress and gently soothe the child.
If the skin is broken:
Let the wound bleed gently. Do not squeeze it.
Clean the wound carefully with soap and water.
Apply a mild antiseptic, such as hydrogen peroxide.
A caregiver should inform the parents of both children (the bitten and the
biter).
Check to see whether the bitten child has been vaccinated against tetanus,
and if he has had all of the recommended doses. If not, refer the child to a
doctor or clinic for a tetanus vaccine.
Check whether the bitten child and the biter have been fully vaccinated
against hepatitis B. If not, they should be referred right away to a doctor
or clinic for hepatitis B vaccine.
Watch the wound over the next few days. If it gets red or begins to swell,
the child should be seen by a doctor.
If the bite is very serious and the child bleeds a lot, talk to the child’s
doctor right away.
What can parents do?
Teach your child not to bite. Do not pretend to bite your child or let your
child bite you in play. When your child is old enough to understand, teach
her that biting hurts and can be dangerous to her and to whoever she bites.
If your child attends child care, have him vaccinated for hepatitis B. In
some provinces, this vaccine is given to all babies, while in others, it is
given to all children in elementary school. Talk to your doctor.
Children with hepatitis B, hepatitis C or HIV infection have the right to
attend child care without discrimination (unfairness), and the right to
privacy about their medical diagnoses. You do not have to tell the child
care staff about these infections. If you choose to, the staff must keep
this information private. If your child has hepatitis B, hepatitis C or HIV
infection, discuss the best options for child care with your child’s doctor
, as well as who to tell.
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Healthy Kids, Healthy Care:
Biting and Other Aggressive Behaviors
National Resource Center for Health and Safety in Child Care
• Why do children bite and show other aggressive behaviors?
Feeling frustrated.
Limited ability to communicate with words.
Feeling threatened.
Testing limits.
Experimenting with senses.
Wanting power and control.
For older infants, it is part of normal feeding behavior (Example: Nursing
or breastfeeding).
• What elements should be included in the program's procedures/
policies for handling aggressive behavior?
Separating the children involved.
Immediate attention to the child or caregiver who was hurt.
Distracting and redirecting the aggressive child.
Letting the aggressive child know that this behavior is NOT OK.
Documenting (in writing) if an injury occurred and if first aid or medical
attention was given.
Informing parents of the children involved in the incident.
Parents of the recipient and the aggressor should both be notified.
If the problem is chronic, does the program take prompt steps to solve the
problem?
Reviewing what happens before and at the time of the incidents. Caregivers
should try to understand the reasons behind a child's behavior, looking
first at factors that could be controlled by adults.
Were there enough adults supervising the children?
Were caregivers distracted with diapering, serving lunch, getting out cots,
etc?
Was there too much waiting between and during activities?
Are there enough toys and supplies?
Looking for, and writing down, the connections between the child's behavior
and environment:
What time of day?
Does the child bite the same child?
Are children tired or hungry?
Does stress trigger aggressive behavior (thunder storm, room is noisy,
parent is late, etc.)?
Planning and implementing behavior management techniques and program changes
that may help to reduce this behavior in the future.
Working with the parents of the aggressive child to obtain professional
evaluation and/or services for the child if the aggressive behavior
continues after implementing positive behavior methods and program
environment changes (listed above).
• What type of training has the staff had on positive discipline
techniques and redirecting a child's behavior?
Ask them to show you how they would react to a child that bites or hits.
Have them share with you methods for positive guidance or redirecting the
child.
Have them list the different reasons a child might bite, hit or scratch
based on the child's age.
See Additional Resources section for Positive Guidance Methods.
Note: Biting is a common behavior in the infant or toddler who is expressing
a feeling or unmet need without words. It is also one of the first senses
through which infants experience their world. Infants and toddlers who are
cutting teeth are also more likely to bite. Hitting may be an immature
behavior with no intention of causing harm. It is important to keep
perspective and work with the caregiver in both helping to reduce the
incidents again and teaching children appropriate ways to express themselves.
ＴＯ ＢＥ ＣＯＮＴＩＮＵＥＤ．．．
Biting and Other Aggressive Behaviors
National Resource Center for Health and Safety in Child Care
• Why do children bite and show other aggressive behaviors?
Feeling frustrated.
Limited ability to communicate with words.
Feeling threatened.
Testing limits.
Experimenting with senses.
Wanting power and control.
For older infants, it is part of normal feeding behavior (Example: Nursing
or breastfeeding).
• What elements should be included in the program's procedures/
policies for handling aggressive behavior?
Separating the children involved.
Immediate attention to the child or caregiver who was hurt.
Distracting and redirecting the aggressive child.
Letting the aggressive child know that this behavior is NOT OK.
Documenting (in writing) if an injury occurred and if first aid or medical
attention was given.
Informing parents of the children involved in the incident.
Parents of the recipient and the aggressor should both be notified.
If the problem is chronic, does the program take prompt steps to solve the
problem?
Reviewing what happens before and at the time of the incidents. Caregivers
should try to understand the reasons behind a child's behavior, looking
first at factors that could be controlled by adults.
Were there enough adults supervising the children?
Were caregivers distracted with diapering, serving lunch, getting out cots,
etc?
Was there too much waiting between and during activities?
Are there enough toys and supplies?
Looking for, and writing down, the connections between the child's behavior
and environment:
What time of day?
Does the child bite the same child?
Are children tired or hungry?
Does stress trigger aggressive behavior (thunder storm, room is noisy,
parent is late, etc.)?
Planning and implementing behavior management techniques and program changes
that may help to reduce this behavior in the future.
Working with the parents of the aggressive child to obtain professional
evaluation and/or services for the child if the aggressive behavior
continues after implementing positive behavior methods and program
environment changes (listed above).
• What type of training has the staff had on positive discipline
techniques and redirecting a child's behavior?
Ask them to show you how they would react to a child that bites or hits.
Have them share with you methods for positive guidance or redirecting the
child.
Have them list the different reasons a child might bite, hit or scratch
based on the child's age.
See Additional Resources section for Positive Guidance Methods.
Note: Biting is a common behavior in the infant or toddler who is expressing
a feeling or unmet need without words. It is also one of the first senses
through which infants experience their world. Infants and toddlers who are
cutting teeth are also more likely to bite. Hitting may be an immature
behavior with no intention of causing harm. It is important to keep
perspective and work with the caregiver in both helping to reduce the
incidents again and teaching children appropriate ways to express themselves.
ＴＯ ＢＥ ＣＯＮＴＩＮＵＥＤ．．．
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• Can my child get a disease through biting?
The risks of transmitting diseases like Hepatitis B virus (HBV) or Human
immunodeficiency virus (HIV) via biting are extremely low.
Hepatitis B Virus (HBV)
Children who carry HBV and do not show aggressive behavior (biting,
scratching) can attend child care programs, as long as they are healthy
enough to withstand infections (like colds) that are common in child care
settings.
Children who carry HBV should be monitored for behavior or medical problems.
If a child breaks the skin of another person (biting or scratching), health
care professionals should evaluate the need for vaccination with hepatitis
B immune globulin. They will re-evaluate the safety of having the child in
the program. Because all children in child care programs should have been
vaccinated against hepatitis B as part of their routine immunizations, the
risk of transmission is low.
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
Children with HIV should be admitted to child care programs as long as their
health, development, behavior, and ability to fight infections is
acceptable as determined on a case by case basis by health care
professionals, including the child's health provider. These health
professionals should have current knowledge about HIV.
Caregivers must be trained in, and follow, standard precautions that are
used to prevent contact with blood (or body fluids that may contain blood).
In the highly unlikely event that a bite exposes a person (blood to blood
contact) to HIV, the U.S. Public Health Service recommends prompt medical
follow-up. Medication and other treatment may be recommended.
Note: Confidentiality of children's health records and conditions is
important. Knowledge about HIV, HBV or other health concerns is to be shared
only on a "need to know" basis, not with every parent in the program.
How to help your caregiver with this topic
Discuss with your caregiver positive techniques that have worked at home to
reduce the incidents of biting, hitting or other specific aggressive
behaviors with your child.
If your caregiver reports that your child was bitten or hit, stay calm. Let
the caregiver explain what happened and what steps are being put in place to
reduce chances that this will happen again.
Likewise, if your child was the biter or hitter, work with your caregiver on
consistent messages that will be used at home and at the child care program
to change the behavior.
Never hit or bite a child for aggressive behavior nor approve of it at the
child care program. Biting or hitting by an adult is just reinforcing that
aggressive behavior is "OK".
If your child is teething, supply a favorite teething toy. An "ice pop" made
with a home freezer popsicle set can dull teething pain without the sugar
found in commercial products.
Print off some of the helpful information sheets listed in the Additional
Resources Section and discuss with your caregiver.
Additional Resources
Fact Sheets, Materials
Biting: Fact Sheets for Families (California Child Care Program)
English - http://www.ucsfchildcarehealth.org/pdfs/factsheets/bitingen011804.pdf
Spanish - http://www.ucsfchildcarehealth.org/pdfs/factsheets/BitingSP012206.pdf
Dealing with Biting Behaviors in Young Children (Early Childhood and
Parenting -ECAP-Collaborative)
http://ceep.crc.uiuc.edu/poptopics/biting.html
HIV/AIDS and Child Care (Canadian Child Care Federation)
http://www.cccf-fcsge.ca/docs/cccf/rs033_en.htm
Managing Infectious Diseases in Child Care and Schools: A Quick Reference
Guide (2005), edited by SS Aronson and TR Shope. Available from the American
Academy of Pediatrics. http://www.aap.org/bst/showdetl.cfm?&DID=15&Product_ID=3934; 1-888-227-1770. There is a fee for this publication.
Pennsylvania Early Childhood Education Linkage System (ECELS) Fact Sheets on
various illnesses and conditions
http://www.ecels-healthychildcarepa.org/content/FS-Fact%20Sheets-all%202-8-05.pdf
Biting in child care: what are the risks? (Canadian Paediatric Society)
http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/keepkidssafe/whenkidsbite.htm
Many state health departments have fact sheets on infectious diseases for
parents and child care settings. To find contact information for your state
health department, please go to http://www.cdc.gov/doc.do/id/0900f3ec80226c7a and scroll down to listing of states.
The risks of transmitting diseases like Hepatitis B virus (HBV) or Human
immunodeficiency virus (HIV) via biting are extremely low.
Hepatitis B Virus (HBV)
Children who carry HBV and do not show aggressive behavior (biting,
scratching) can attend child care programs, as long as they are healthy
enough to withstand infections (like colds) that are common in child care
settings.
Children who carry HBV should be monitored for behavior or medical problems.
If a child breaks the skin of another person (biting or scratching), health
care professionals should evaluate the need for vaccination with hepatitis
B immune globulin. They will re-evaluate the safety of having the child in
the program. Because all children in child care programs should have been
vaccinated against hepatitis B as part of their routine immunizations, the
risk of transmission is low.
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
Children with HIV should be admitted to child care programs as long as their
health, development, behavior, and ability to fight infections is
acceptable as determined on a case by case basis by health care
professionals, including the child's health provider. These health
professionals should have current knowledge about HIV.
Caregivers must be trained in, and follow, standard precautions that are
used to prevent contact with blood (or body fluids that may contain blood).
In the highly unlikely event that a bite exposes a person (blood to blood
contact) to HIV, the U.S. Public Health Service recommends prompt medical
follow-up. Medication and other treatment may be recommended.
Note: Confidentiality of children's health records and conditions is
important. Knowledge about HIV, HBV or other health concerns is to be shared
only on a "need to know" basis, not with every parent in the program.
How to help your caregiver with this topic
Discuss with your caregiver positive techniques that have worked at home to
reduce the incidents of biting, hitting or other specific aggressive
behaviors with your child.
If your caregiver reports that your child was bitten or hit, stay calm. Let
the caregiver explain what happened and what steps are being put in place to
reduce chances that this will happen again.
Likewise, if your child was the biter or hitter, work with your caregiver on
consistent messages that will be used at home and at the child care program
to change the behavior.
Never hit or bite a child for aggressive behavior nor approve of it at the
child care program. Biting or hitting by an adult is just reinforcing that
aggressive behavior is "OK".
If your child is teething, supply a favorite teething toy. An "ice pop" made
with a home freezer popsicle set can dull teething pain without the sugar
found in commercial products.
Print off some of the helpful information sheets listed in the Additional
Resources Section and discuss with your caregiver.
Additional Resources
Fact Sheets, Materials
Biting: Fact Sheets for Families (California Child Care Program)
English - http://www.ucsfchildcarehealth.org/pdfs/factsheets/bitingen011804.pdf
Spanish - http://www.ucsfchildcarehealth.org/pdfs/factsheets/BitingSP012206.pdf
Dealing with Biting Behaviors in Young Children (Early Childhood and
Parenting -ECAP-Collaborative)
http://ceep.crc.uiuc.edu/poptopics/biting.html
HIV/AIDS and Child Care (Canadian Child Care Federation)
http://www.cccf-fcsge.ca/docs/cccf/rs033_en.htm
Managing Infectious Diseases in Child Care and Schools: A Quick Reference
Guide (2005), edited by SS Aronson and TR Shope. Available from the American
Academy of Pediatrics. http://www.aap.org/bst/showdetl.cfm?&DID=15&Product_ID=3934; 1-888-227-1770. There is a fee for this publication.
Pennsylvania Early Childhood Education Linkage System (ECELS) Fact Sheets on
various illnesses and conditions
http://www.ecels-healthychildcarepa.org/content/FS-Fact%20Sheets-all%202-8-05.pdf
Biting in child care: what are the risks? (Canadian Paediatric Society)
http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/keepkidssafe/whenkidsbite.htm
Many state health departments have fact sheets on infectious diseases for
parents and child care settings. To find contact information for your state
health department, please go to http://www.cdc.gov/doc.do/id/0900f3ec80226c7a and scroll down to listing of states.
w*9
135 楼
看来你又是不细看帖子就乱发言。
我反复提了一个事实：绝大多数小孩就没有咬人的阶段。
： 在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
失×××××××了。
daycare也上得很好
wewill20
你对那篇文章对我的指责，也反应了你当时不知所云。
你真能分析。
我是最近才看到争论很厉害（听说2年前也是），看了不少“小孩长大就好了”之类（
让我吃惊）的
话，，才考虑其中问题的。当初，我都没想太多，还安慰我老婆很多次。昨天提起，她
还很在意。
：她在用一个
我又引进了一些内容，有不止一个家长或老师有实例证明：通过有效的教育，可以把咬
人和你在这里
提过的“发育”和“自动消失”所指的自然过程在很短的时间内（几乎100%）脱离或几
乎脱离伴随关
系。你提的那种咬人小孩固有的咬人倾向与自然过程的必然联系，怎么就烟飞云散了？
：PS, wewill2009的引用文章里阐述了咬人阶段的结束是和语言能力的达标挂钩的。
没有“达标”的说法，和语言能力有一定的联系。这一点也说明了人为教育的重要。
：这里回复一下另一个楼里的问题。
你可以在另一个楼里会吧。
：那个妈妈说我小孩都会回来和我汇报的呀，咬不咬人我肯定知道了。那么恭喜你，当
你的小孩能
：够说出来，向你汇报的时候，这个阶段应该结束了。如果再发生咬人问题，家长要好
好反思问题
：症结所在了。
人家也不像你这样说的，而是还通过老师了解了。 不管大小，咬人小孩和被咬小孩双
方的家长可是都
要被通知的。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是家长要有正确的知识和认识，要管，但不要造成没必要的crisis。零容忍是不成
: 立的，矫枉过正了，这种态度与纵容不管一样，也是有害。
: 小孩子在1-3岁左右，一般会有这么个时期。在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
: ，可能会更常见。我家老二在两岁到三岁期间咬过他哥几次。他哥在这个阶段就没有这
: 个问题，因为无人可咬。但是老二到三岁前，这个现象自动消失了。daycare也上得很好
: ，没咬人，也没被人咬。家长教育在这个阶段对小孩的影响肯定是打折扣的。wewill20
: 09巴巴地引来一篇文，其实讲述的就是这种事实，以及基于这种事实，家长该进行怎样
: 正确的教育。
: wewill2009的小孩是被一个4岁多的小孩咬的。这是她走到极端方面的主因。她在用一个
: 正态分布tail里的例子，来否定正态分布的主区间。她的例子里的小孩教育是出了问题
w*9
136 楼
reviews/1575421283/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
was told
was at
saver. My
bed) and
如果借助一本书能让不少家长或老师很快改掉小孩咬人的倾向，其它类似或不完全类似
的方法也可以
有效。
更多的评论。
This book has really helped my toddler understand that biting hurts. I
am grateful to the author for writing this book. Thanks
+++++++++
I found this book at my local library and decided to check it out as my
20-month-old daughter had started biting me thinking she was playing a
game. She really likes the book and asks for it to be read to her
multiple times (she'll point at it and say "teeth, teeth..."). It has
simple languange and bright, engaging pictures for toddlers. Best of
all, it really seems to have helped our little biting problem, even
after only 2 weeks of having the book from the library. If she wants to
bite, we just say "teeth are not for biting! Ouch! Biting hurts" and she
stops.
+++++++
Our daughter used biting in a wide variety of circumstances. Someone
suggested this book and I'm so glad I purchased it. First of all, she
loved the book. Secondly, the book opened the door for us to talk about
what she could do instead of biting others and herself. She is 19 months
old now and is able to stop herself before she bites.
+++++++++++++
We were at our wits end with our 2 year old daughter's incessant and
dangerous biting of her 4 year old sister. She would bite when she was
playing and happy, and bite when bad. Bite, Bite, Bite. We tried the
naughty chair, letting the 4 year old bite back, nothing worked. I
ordered this book and the night it came, we all got in bed together and
read it twice, making a big deal of the mantra "Teeth are Not for
Biting" while shaking our hands in the air (like no-no). Our biter got
such a serious look on her face! For the next couple of days we would
stop whatever we were doing and repeat the mantra "Teeth are not for
Biting" in a very dramatic fashion. Know what? This kid stopped biting.
Now, she has bitten a couple of times since, but this has made a HUGE
difference in our sanity. Highly recommend this book to any parent with
biting issues. UPDATE: 12/2009 - Biting issue totally resolved after
this book. A miracle! Highly recommend it!!!!
++++++++
I bought this book because we've had a run of biting at the daycare
center I work at. I was hoping for more of a story for the kids to
relate to, but I think it's helping. We try to read it every single day,
but 9-12 two year olds are more interested in the doggie in the book
then hearing the story. Everytime I read the line "teeth are not for
biting" I have the kids say "No bite!" just to push the point. It's a
good sized, sturdy book with large and simple pictures the kids enjoy.
逗人。
++++++++++++
My 20 month toddler LOVES this book. We bought it because he had bitten
a couple of times. He wants to read it almost every night and since we
introduced the book, he has stopped biting. I like it that he enjoys the
book so much and asks to read it.
++++++++++++++
My two little grandchildren love this book. Both were "biters" until I
got this book for them and started reading it to them.
Now in the rare incident where one bites the other, there is an
immediate apology, with the saying I taught them. "Teeth are not for
biting, I'm sorry, and then there is a big hug. I don't even have to
remind them and they are only 3 1/2 and 22 months.
+++++++++++
I purchased this book for my little biter after repeated bites at
daycare and at home. The illustrations and repeated phrases made it easy
for our 2 yr old to love. For one week we read the book before every nap
and at bedtime. After two or three times she would start asking us to
read it again when we were done. Even with her limited vocabulary she
was able to chime in on "Ouch! Biting hurts." We were then able to use
that same phrase when she would bite. The biting curbed quickly once she
began seeing herself as the aggressors in the book instead of the
victim. Great book!!!
++++++++++
When our daughter went through a biting phase at day care about six
months ago, we read this book to her every day. Within a week, we
started to see a change in her behavior. It really does help! Now she
stops herself before she bites, and sometimes she even says "Ouch,
biting hurts!" as if she's reminding herself of the book's message. Even
though she hasn't bitten anyone in months, we still read this book
regularly because she actually requests it -- she loves the colorful
pictures, and she likes to recite the text along with us. We're very
pleased that this worked so well for us.
++++++++++
My son was having a problem with biting in school. This book really
helped him. He loved it, and we read it every day. Soon after the biting
stopped. He still likes to read it.
++++++++
My 2 year old granddaughter was going through a biting phase. This book
seems to have helped alot. She loves reading it to me. I highly
recommend it
++++++
My 2 year old granddaughter was going through a biting phase. This book
seems to have helped alot. She loves read
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 有效的教育可以大大加快改正小孩咬人的问题。
: http://www.amazon.com/Teeth-Biting-Board-Book-Behavior/product-reviews/1575421283/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
: Customer Reviews
: Teeth Are Not for Biting (Board Book) (Best Behavior Series)
: ×××××××××××××
: Life saving book!! My son has been biting other kids a school and I was told
: that he might not be able to come back if the biting didn't stop. I was at
: my ends with the biting and started to look around for books and other
: methods of teaching him to communicate. This book has been a life saver. My
: son (2 1/2) has memorized this book (even reading it to himself in bed) and
w*9
137 楼
一种对一些家长立杆见影的total shock “therapy”。
http://www.city-data.com/forum/parenting/337489-children-biting.html
I know a mother who handled the situation in such a way that the kid got the
total message not to bite again, but if she were to do it today, Social
Services would be called in.
Her three year old was biting everyone - family as well as play partners -
and nothing was working, so mommy got bitten on the forearm and she turned
around and bit kid's arm. She said - "See how that feels?" The toddler was
stunned, broke out in tears . . . and according to mom, never bit anyone
else again.
I saw this take place as the lady was one of my neighbors and she was at her
wit's end, LOL.
++++++++++
That's what I did with my son. I took his little hand and bit it (gently but
uncomfortably) and said "See, that's what it feels like." He got it
immediately and that was that.
+++++
The first time my son bit me, I smacked him on the teeth. I didn't think
about it, I just did it.
The first time was the last time. He never bit anyone else either.
A bit harsh and you'll probably get the "Oh, that poor baby" thing from
other posters, but it worked.
When a child is acting out, over and over again, and I hear parents asking
for advice, in my head I hear that line from the Simpsons, "We've tried
NOTHING and it's just not working!"
++++++
My mother-in-law bit her daughter back and said that she never did it again.
So, thus far, this is the consensus. Now, if the parent doesn't want to
take that route, then you will be in for a longer haul. (I'm sure there are
children who get bitten back and don't get the point, too).
Anyway, in changing behavior, it's consistency. There can never be any, "
Honey, if you do that again, then you'll get a time-out." It requires
immediate consequences. So, they have to leave a friend's house or the
playground. They get a spanking. The TV gets turned off. They lose a toy.
Things of that nature; it depends on what is important to the child.
+++++++
It seems to work pretty well and I know my kids don't have any lasting
psychological damage from that.
+++++++++
另类：
I have a friend with a biter, just turned 2. She parents very differently
from me in general - she is a spanker, etc. Anyway, that's just to say that
she tried the biting back thing (not something I would do), but it did not
work for her. Her kid was biting almost daily. In the past week she has
tried something new. She got a bunch of kid books out of the library about
not biting and read them with him. And she set up a sticker system. If he
goes through the whole day without biting, he gets a sticker when she picks
him up at daycare. He has gone the entire week without biting now, which she
sees as great progress. Another technique is to give the child access to a
teether toy and have him bite that when he's frustrated instead of others.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/parenting/337489-children-biting.html
I know a mother who handled the situation in such a way that the kid got the
total message not to bite again, but if she were to do it today, Social
Services would be called in.
Her three year old was biting everyone - family as well as play partners -
and nothing was working, so mommy got bitten on the forearm and she turned
around and bit kid's arm. She said - "See how that feels?" The toddler was
stunned, broke out in tears . . . and according to mom, never bit anyone
else again.
I saw this take place as the lady was one of my neighbors and she was at her
wit's end, LOL.
++++++++++
That's what I did with my son. I took his little hand and bit it (gently but
uncomfortably) and said "See, that's what it feels like." He got it
immediately and that was that.
+++++
The first time my son bit me, I smacked him on the teeth. I didn't think
about it, I just did it.
The first time was the last time. He never bit anyone else either.
A bit harsh and you'll probably get the "Oh, that poor baby" thing from
other posters, but it worked.
When a child is acting out, over and over again, and I hear parents asking
for advice, in my head I hear that line from the Simpsons, "We've tried
NOTHING and it's just not working!"
++++++
My mother-in-law bit her daughter back and said that she never did it again.
So, thus far, this is the consensus. Now, if the parent doesn't want to
take that route, then you will be in for a longer haul. (I'm sure there are
children who get bitten back and don't get the point, too).
Anyway, in changing behavior, it's consistency. There can never be any, "
Honey, if you do that again, then you'll get a time-out." It requires
immediate consequences. So, they have to leave a friend's house or the
playground. They get a spanking. The TV gets turned off. They lose a toy.
Things of that nature; it depends on what is important to the child.
+++++++
It seems to work pretty well and I know my kids don't have any lasting
psychological damage from that.
+++++++++
另类：
I have a friend with a biter, just turned 2. She parents very differently
from me in general - she is a spanker, etc. Anyway, that's just to say that
she tried the biting back thing (not something I would do), but it did not
work for her. Her kid was biting almost daily. In the past week she has
tried something new. She got a bunch of kid books out of the library about
not biting and read them with him. And she set up a sticker system. If he
goes through the whole day without biting, he gets a sticker when she picks
him up at daycare. He has gone the entire week without biting now, which she
sees as great progress. Another technique is to give the child access to a
teether toy and have him bite that when he's frustrated instead of others.
w*9
138 楼
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
http://lifestyle.msn.com/messageboards/thread.aspx?board=00000065-012b-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=00000065-0000-0000-cf7b-0b0000000000&_p=00000065-0000-0000-0000-000092bd4401
When I was little I was a biter, and I bit my mom a fair number of times.
Finally she bit me back, HARD! I never bit again. So just ask your daycare
teacher if she could please **** her kid. It really works! I'm going to do
it to my kids.
My little brother used to sit in her lap and repeatedly slam his head into
her chest. So she made a fist and put it on her chest and he slammed his
head into her fist! Yeah he never did that again either.
Some might scream child abuse but I will disagree with all of my fibers! You
can't teach a kid a lesson if you DON'T TEACH THEM A LESSON!
http://lifestyle.msn.com/messageboards/thread.aspx?board=00000065-012b-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=00000065-0000-0000-cf7b-0b0000000000&_p=00000065-0000-0000-0000-000092bd4401
When I was little I was a biter, and I bit my mom a fair number of times.
Finally she bit me back, HARD! I never bit again. So just ask your daycare
teacher if she could please **** her kid. It really works! I'm going to do
it to my kids.
My little brother used to sit in her lap and repeatedly slam his head into
her chest. So she made a fist and put it on her chest and he slammed his
head into her fist! Yeah he never did that again either.
Some might scream child abuse but I will disagree with all of my fibers! You
can't teach a kid a lesson if you DON'T TEACH THEM A LESSON!
w*9
139 楼
反咬回去就立杆见影的那些例子，和outgrowth说法结合在一起，让我想起了一句偶尔
说的一句话：kids grow too fast。
说的一句话：kids grow too fast。
w*9
140 楼
接受了total shock “therapy”的那些小孩，竟然经过一次“疗程”就“outgrow”了
，让某类传说崩溃。
，让某类传说崩溃。
s*t
141 楼
haha, 那你就咬呗。小孩咬过来，家长咬回去。别人是三天不打，上房揭瓦，三天过后
瓦照揭。您这是一咬定终身，多好啊。鼓掌。
瓦照揭。您这是一咬定终身，多好啊。鼓掌。
w*9
142 楼
你这狭隘地曲解我和我的意思不止有4次吧？我只是说，你信奉的所谓“事实”在××
×××咬人小孩自己的父
母实施的×××××total shock “therapy”下不堪一击。
希望你的小孩不受你的蛮横无理和偏执倾向影响，让同龄人受害。
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: haha, 那你就咬呗。小孩咬过来，家长咬回去。别人是三天不打，上房揭瓦，三天过后
: 瓦照揭。您这是一咬定终身，多好啊。鼓掌。
w*9
143 楼
那个outgrowth的辩说被total shock “therapy”粉碎后，再回到gentler approaches。
http://www.babycenter.com/404_my-toddler-bites-should-i-bite-her-back_14057.bc
不知两个小孩是否identical。
I have twin girls. When they were around 18 mos. one of them bit the other.
I grabbed the victim and consoled her and ignored the biter for awhile. I
then explained to the biter that she hurt her sister and caused her to cry.
I thought I had curbed that behvior, but then it happened again as they were
fighting for a toy. I again consoled the victim and then I gently bit the
finger of the biter and explained that teeth hurt. She immediately hugged
her sister and never bit again. I know the experts say not to bite, but my
daughters are 21 mos. now and I have yet to have another biting episode.
http://www.babycenter.com/404_my-toddler-bites-should-i-bite-her-back_14057.bc
不知两个小孩是否identical。
I have twin girls. When they were around 18 mos. one of them bit the other.
I grabbed the victim and consoled her and ignored the biter for awhile. I
then explained to the biter that she hurt her sister and caused her to cry.
I thought I had curbed that behvior, but then it happened again as they were
fighting for a toy. I again consoled the victim and then I gently bit the
finger of the biter and explained that teeth hurt. She immediately hugged
her sister and never bit again. I know the experts say not to bite, but my
daughters are 21 mos. now and I have yet to have another biting episode.
w*9
144 楼
http://www.babycenter.com/404_my-toddler-bites-should-i-bite-her-back_14057.bc
有意思。
A child needs to understand it HURTS - they are frustrated, I understand....
.Six kids, three were biters, one was a BITER - just like the one mom said..
.bite where it hurts....just hard enough so that it hurts...and then calmly
say "see...it hurts, bite hurts...no bite" - give a big hug, and tell them
that you love them - and then when they get frustrated again...and they do
not bite - praise, praise, praise! My brother and his wife raised their
daughters P.C. (they "talk" about everything) they are manipulative, and
spoiled - my mother called the youngest one "beaver" (never in the child's
presence, and only in my company) she bit so much (she drew blood sometimes!
)....and she was just "talked" to - I bit her once while baby-sitting, and
she never bit in my house again...she bit in her house though....let's do
the math
有意思。
A child needs to understand it HURTS - they are frustrated, I understand....
.Six kids, three were biters, one was a BITER - just like the one mom said..
.bite where it hurts....just hard enough so that it hurts...and then calmly
say "see...it hurts, bite hurts...no bite" - give a big hug, and tell them
that you love them - and then when they get frustrated again...and they do
not bite - praise, praise, praise! My brother and his wife raised their
daughters P.C. (they "talk" about everything) they are manipulative, and
spoiled - my mother called the youngest one "beaver" (never in the child's
presence, and only in my company) she bit so much (she drew blood sometimes!
)....and she was just "talked" to - I bit her once while baby-sitting, and
she never bit in my house again...she bit in her house though....let's do
the math
w*9
145 楼
对不很politically correct的biting back approach，我除了为说明问题用，还没
take a stand。出于那种很显然的考虑，一般的“专家”/专家也不会鼓励这种方法。
在态度和看法上，这和让大很多的小孩参加boot camp只有一定的类似性。
不过，就像和读那本书一样，有不少成功的例子。效果和反咬回去的程度应该有一定关
联。
还有：任何一个良药，不会对所有人100%有效。
http://www.babycenter.com/404_my-toddler-bites-should-i-bite-her-back_14057.bc
I have never personally experienced the biting problem until now, and my son
is only one year barely, so I am not planning on biting him but I do agree
that biting them back works as my good friend was a biter as a child and her
mother bit her and she stopped. I think that the comments below about it
being mean or "how could you hurt your child" are why kids grow up blaming
everything on someone else and not taking responsibility for themselves,
when it is teaching them a lesson it is sometimes necessary and there is
nothing wrong with disciplining your children in a way that gets the message
accross. Its a personal choice as is spanking and it is NOT abusive.
+++++
For months my sister tried everything to get her 3-year-old to stop biting
to no avail. She finally gave in and bit him hard on the arm. He never bit
anyone again.
+++++++
Of course it went from generation to generation. Because it worked! It's
not like it's hereditary or the grandmother taught the mother how to bite.
That comment just doesn't make any sense. Almost all toddlers will do it at
least once. I have 5 children ages 18 to 9 months, and it definitely works.
My 16 year old bit my niece when he was 3. He bit her very hard on the chin.
That was the first time he ever bit anyone. I bit him on the knuckle of his
finger where you don't have to bite hard to make it hurt. I asked him if it
hurt and then asked if he was going to do it to anyone again and he said no
while crying of course. Sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do
so that we can teach our children. He never bit again, so your comment that
it works for the moment is wrong also. They are old enough to understand the
pain it causes, but they don't know it causes pain until you teach them.
That is your job as a parent.
+++++++++++
也有不成功的例子。
Biting back doesn't necessarily work. My 21 month old is a biter,
particularly when he's getting a new tooth. One day when he bit his newborn
sister I took his hand and bit him, he cried in pain and disbelief, but it
didn't stop the biting. My sister in law also tried the bite back method on
her oldest but it didn't stop him either, he just stopped biting as hard. In
short, it doesn't work on all children.
+++++++++
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5568350/how_to_get_your_toddler_to_stop_biting.html
Bite Back
A lot of grandparents swear that biting their toddler back worked for them.
A gentle bite, not enough to leave a mark, can do the trick over time. Make
sure to remain consistent in your discipline. The only downside is biting
back can be a hit and miss since they might then think it is okay to bite,
they take from your example.
take a stand。出于那种很显然的考虑，一般的“专家”/专家也不会鼓励这种方法。
在态度和看法上，这和让大很多的小孩参加boot camp只有一定的类似性。
不过，就像和读那本书一样，有不少成功的例子。效果和反咬回去的程度应该有一定关
联。
还有：任何一个良药，不会对所有人100%有效。
http://www.babycenter.com/404_my-toddler-bites-should-i-bite-her-back_14057.bc
I have never personally experienced the biting problem until now, and my son
is only one year barely, so I am not planning on biting him but I do agree
that biting them back works as my good friend was a biter as a child and her
mother bit her and she stopped. I think that the comments below about it
being mean or "how could you hurt your child" are why kids grow up blaming
everything on someone else and not taking responsibility for themselves,
when it is teaching them a lesson it is sometimes necessary and there is
nothing wrong with disciplining your children in a way that gets the message
accross. Its a personal choice as is spanking and it is NOT abusive.
+++++
For months my sister tried everything to get her 3-year-old to stop biting
to no avail. She finally gave in and bit him hard on the arm. He never bit
anyone again.
+++++++
Of course it went from generation to generation. Because it worked! It's
not like it's hereditary or the grandmother taught the mother how to bite.
That comment just doesn't make any sense. Almost all toddlers will do it at
least once. I have 5 children ages 18 to 9 months, and it definitely works.
My 16 year old bit my niece when he was 3. He bit her very hard on the chin.
That was the first time he ever bit anyone. I bit him on the knuckle of his
finger where you don't have to bite hard to make it hurt. I asked him if it
hurt and then asked if he was going to do it to anyone again and he said no
while crying of course. Sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do
so that we can teach our children. He never bit again, so your comment that
it works for the moment is wrong also. They are old enough to understand the
pain it causes, but they don't know it causes pain until you teach them.
That is your job as a parent.
+++++++++++
也有不成功的例子。
Biting back doesn't necessarily work. My 21 month old is a biter,
particularly when he's getting a new tooth. One day when he bit his newborn
sister I took his hand and bit him, he cried in pain and disbelief, but it
didn't stop the biting. My sister in law also tried the bite back method on
her oldest but it didn't stop him either, he just stopped biting as hard. In
short, it doesn't work on all children.
+++++++++
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5568350/how_to_get_your_toddler_to_stop_biting.html
Bite Back
A lot of grandparents swear that biting their toddler back worked for them.
A gentle bite, not enough to leave a mark, can do the trick over time. Make
sure to remain consistent in your discipline. The only downside is biting
back can be a hit and miss since they might then think it is okay to bite,
they take from your example.
w*9
146 楼
如果什么方法都止不住问题发生，真正负责的父母可以考虑反咬教育。再不行，应该考虑把小孩放到一
个对其他小孩更安全的环境。毕竟，总体上有2%的可能会把别人的小孩（像我家的一样）咬破皮。
我的小孩几乎不会再有被咬的可能。我过去也是假设所有咬人的家长会非常明事理，用很主动的态度和
方法去处理那个问题。在这里几个相关主题里的讨论，让我看清了，有些咬人的家长是多么被动地看待
那个问题（我没有看到他们提自己的主动处理方法，不会对那推测）。
个对其他小孩更安全的环境。毕竟，总体上有2%的可能会把别人的小孩（像我家的一样）咬破皮。
我的小孩几乎不会再有被咬的可能。我过去也是假设所有咬人的家长会非常明事理，用很主动的态度和
方法去处理那个问题。在这里几个相关主题里的讨论，让我看清了，有些咬人的家长是多么被动地看待
那个问题（我没有看到他们提自己的主动处理方法，不会对那推测）。
w*9
147 楼
在上面的那些例子里，也有一两个父母以外的人进行反咬教育。这种比例应该很小，而
且实施人很可能是很近的亲戚。
“专家”/专家们时常不提或反对的“老”BB办法，像是成功率还不低。
http://www.mamapedia.com/article/discipline-for-a-toddler-who-is-biting
Hi mom my niece was a bitter and my son was her victim it was times we would
visit and she would leave a bad mark on him that I could not take him back
home his father would have been so upset. My sister her mother would tell my
son to bit her back but he wouldn't so one day I was so upset I bit her for
him and this is when she stop my sister was upset with me but it work. I
think the bitter do not know the pain they are putting on the other person
and needs to know and feel that pain. Well good luck
+++++++++
I have 5 children and my kids didn't bite too often. However when they did I
bit them back. Not real hard, but hard enough for them to realize that it
hurts. Once they realized it wasn't something enjoyable they stopped biting
others. I know it sounds barbaric, but it got quick results.
+++++++++
I have 5 children and my kids didn't bite too often. However when they did I
bit them back. Not real hard, but hard enough for them to realize that it
hurts. Once they realized it wasn't something enjoyable they stopped biting
others. I know it sounds barbaric, but it got quick results.
+++++++++
在有些地方，咬人现象很少也是可能的。
I used to teach in child care centers。。。
In my child care home I have only had a biting incident 2 or 3 times in 10
years and never my own children. One time it was one girl who bit the same
boy over and over. Her mom and I agreed that she would be by herself when it
was free play time. She sat at the counter with coloring, puzzles, etc.
When we had group games and circle time, and I was teaching, she joined us.
This wasn't really a punishment or a time out, but it was our way of keeping
the other child safe. It worked.
两种两个极端，一个柔而另一个刚，的主动处理方法都成功率不低（网络上的讨论到此
都是。），中间途径也会有一些吧？
且实施人很可能是很近的亲戚。
“专家”/专家们时常不提或反对的“老”BB办法，像是成功率还不低。
http://www.mamapedia.com/article/discipline-for-a-toddler-who-is-biting
Hi mom my niece was a bitter and my son was her victim it was times we would
visit and she would leave a bad mark on him that I could not take him back
home his father would have been so upset. My sister her mother would tell my
son to bit her back but he wouldn't so one day I was so upset I bit her for
him and this is when she stop my sister was upset with me but it work. I
think the bitter do not know the pain they are putting on the other person
and needs to know and feel that pain. Well good luck
+++++++++
I have 5 children and my kids didn't bite too often. However when they did I
bit them back. Not real hard, but hard enough for them to realize that it
hurts. Once they realized it wasn't something enjoyable they stopped biting
others. I know it sounds barbaric, but it got quick results.
+++++++++
I have 5 children and my kids didn't bite too often. However when they did I
bit them back. Not real hard, but hard enough for them to realize that it
hurts. Once they realized it wasn't something enjoyable they stopped biting
others. I know it sounds barbaric, but it got quick results.
+++++++++
在有些地方，咬人现象很少也是可能的。
I used to teach in child care centers。。。
In my child care home I have only had a biting incident 2 or 3 times in 10
years and never my own children. One time it was one girl who bit the same
boy over and over. Her mom and I agreed that she would be by herself when it
was free play time. She sat at the counter with coloring, puzzles, etc.
When we had group games and circle time, and I was teaching, she joined us.
This wasn't really a punishment or a time out, but it was our way of keeping
the other child safe. It worked.
两种两个极端，一个柔而另一个刚，的主动处理方法都成功率不低（网络上的讨论到此
都是。），中间途径也会有一些吧？
l*n
148 楼
刚看到这段回复。我完全同意你的观点，我也同意楼主关于4岁小孩咬人是缺乏管教的
结论，说明你俩的观点并不矛盾。2岁以内的小孩用咬人来表达frustration是比较常见
的，这时候家长要严加干涉和积极管教，在我女儿身上我是用尽了非暴力手段，事实上
我也使用了一些暴力手段，比如咬她（i was so jerk to bite her tiny wrist.)如果
到了四岁这问题依然存在，我认为跟孩子的家庭环境有关系，家长或者放任自流，或者
孩子周围有因素让他不安定。
成也
很好
wewill20
一个
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是家长要有正确的知识和认识，要管，但不要造成没必要的crisis。零容忍是不成
: 立的，矫枉过正了，这种态度与纵容不管一样，也是有害。
: 小孩子在1-3岁左右，一般会有这么个时期。在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
: ，可能会更常见。我家老二在两岁到三岁期间咬过他哥几次。他哥在这个阶段就没有这
: 个问题，因为无人可咬。但是老二到三岁前，这个现象自动消失了。daycare也上得很好
: ，没咬人，也没被人咬。家长教育在这个阶段对小孩的影响肯定是打折扣的。wewill20
: 09巴巴地引来一篇文，其实讲述的就是这种事实，以及基于这种事实，家长该进行怎样
: 正确的教育。
: wewill2009的小孩是被一个4岁多的小孩咬的。这是她走到极端方面的主因。她在用一个
: 正态分布tail里的例子，来否定正态分布的主区间。她的例子里的小孩教育是出了问题
结论，说明你俩的观点并不矛盾。2岁以内的小孩用咬人来表达frustration是比较常见
的，这时候家长要严加干涉和积极管教，在我女儿身上我是用尽了非暴力手段，事实上
我也使用了一些暴力手段，比如咬她（i was so jerk to bite her tiny wrist.)如果
到了四岁这问题依然存在，我认为跟孩子的家庭环境有关系，家长或者放任自流，或者
孩子周围有因素让他不安定。
成也
很好
wewill20
一个
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是家长要有正确的知识和认识，要管，但不要造成没必要的crisis。零容忍是不成
: 立的，矫枉过正了，这种态度与纵容不管一样，也是有害。
: 小孩子在1-3岁左右，一般会有这么个时期。在sibling家庭里（大的和小的相差不远）
: ，可能会更常见。我家老二在两岁到三岁期间咬过他哥几次。他哥在这个阶段就没有这
: 个问题，因为无人可咬。但是老二到三岁前，这个现象自动消失了。daycare也上得很好
: ，没咬人，也没被人咬。家长教育在这个阶段对小孩的影响肯定是打折扣的。wewill20
: 09巴巴地引来一篇文，其实讲述的就是这种事实，以及基于这种事实，家长该进行怎样
: 正确的教育。
: wewill2009的小孩是被一个4岁多的小孩咬的。这是她走到极端方面的主因。她在用一个
: 正态分布tail里的例子，来否定正态分布的主区间。她的例子里的小孩教育是出了问题
f*y
149 楼
耐心耐心，我是嫁给我家lg以后几年才outgrow的
我妈来帮我带孩子说，你挑食比以前好多了，我很汗
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 我外甥12岁了，还没有outgrow.
我妈来帮我带孩子说，你挑食比以前好多了，我很汗
【在 T*****u 的大作中提到】
: 我外甥12岁了，还没有outgrow.
w*9
150 楼
也有可能那两种极端的主动方法简单，两岁左右的小孩更容易got the message。混合型可能会让小
孩更confused。
我在英文网络上（几乎）没有看到有家长，像这里的一些咬人小孩的家长一样，表示有outgrowth之类
的思想，反倒是有不少人在急切地想或求办法要××××尽快×××××××××把问题解决。这里有小气候吧？
希望如此。
孩更confused。
我在英文网络上（几乎）没有看到有家长，像这里的一些咬人小孩的家长一样，表示有outgrowth之类
的思想，反倒是有不少人在急切地想或求办法要××××尽快×××××××××把问题解决。这里有小气候吧？
希望如此。
w*9
151 楼
这里一些家长对自己小孩的状态、对自己那种被动态度比较defensive，应该说明了一
定的问题。
这正是我发第50贴的直接原因。
定的问题。
这正是我发第50贴的直接原因。
f*g
152 楼
才发现你是个爸爸，向你的钻研精神致敬
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 这里一些家长对自己小孩的状态、对自己那种被动态度比较defensive，应该说明了一
: 定的问题。
: 这正是我发第50贴的直接原因。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 这里一些家长对自己小孩的状态、对自己那种被动态度比较defensive，应该说明了一
: 定的问题。
: 这正是我发第50贴的直接原因。
s*t
153 楼
你是光捡着自己喜欢看得看。
象你引的那个家长反咬的帖子，还 "I was a biter when I was little..." 谁能记得
两岁时候的事情。搞笑么。你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个
stage了，该好好管管了。
outgrowth的表述就是表明有这么一个咬的stage。是小孩都有。大家不说，是对此有共
识。就连你自己后来给的链接的讨论中都有。咬人是不对的，家长当然要想办法。但是
家长不会苛求教育在这个stage“千分之一千”的成功。讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
就没有冲突。跑你那里倒是来了一堆的意见，以己度人。
合型可能会让小
有outgrowth之类
问题解决。这里有小气候吧？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 也有可能那两种极端的主动方法简单，两岁左右的小孩更容易got the message。混合型可能会让小
: 孩更confused。
: 我在英文网络上（几乎）没有看到有家长，像这里的一些咬人小孩的家长一样，表示有outgrowth之类
: 的思想，反倒是有不少人在急切地想或求办法要××××尽快×××××××××把问题解决。这里有小气候吧？
: 希望如此。
象你引的那个家长反咬的帖子，还 "I was a biter when I was little..." 谁能记得
两岁时候的事情。搞笑么。你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个
stage了，该好好管管了。
outgrowth的表述就是表明有这么一个咬的stage。是小孩都有。大家不说，是对此有共
识。就连你自己后来给的链接的讨论中都有。咬人是不对的，家长当然要想办法。但是
家长不会苛求教育在这个stage“千分之一千”的成功。讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
就没有冲突。跑你那里倒是来了一堆的意见，以己度人。
合型可能会让小
有outgrowth之类
问题解决。这里有小气候吧？
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 也有可能那两种极端的主动方法简单，两岁左右的小孩更容易got the message。混合型可能会让小
: 孩更confused。
: 我在英文网络上（几乎）没有看到有家长，像这里的一些咬人小孩的家长一样，表示有outgrowth之类
: 的思想，反倒是有不少人在急切地想或求办法要××××尽快×××××××××把问题解决。这里有小气候吧？
: 希望如此。
n*h
154 楼
我就记得我两岁时候的事情。不搞笑。
你说如果有人喜欢捡着自己喜欢的看。如果有人同时说了，小孩咬人很正常，要教育。
会不会有人只看前面的正常，不看后面的要教育？
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 你是光捡着自己喜欢看得看。
: 象你引的那个家长反咬的帖子，还 "I was a biter when I was little..." 谁能记得
: 两岁时候的事情。搞笑么。你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个
: stage了，该好好管管了。
: outgrowth的表述就是表明有这么一个咬的stage。是小孩都有。大家不说，是对此有共
: 识。就连你自己后来给的链接的讨论中都有。咬人是不对的，家长当然要想办法。但是
: 家长不会苛求教育在这个stage“千分之一千”的成功。讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
: 就没有冲突。跑你那里倒是来了一堆的意见，以己度人。
:
: 合型可能会让小
你说如果有人喜欢捡着自己喜欢的看。如果有人同时说了，小孩咬人很正常，要教育。
会不会有人只看前面的正常，不看后面的要教育？
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 你是光捡着自己喜欢看得看。
: 象你引的那个家长反咬的帖子，还 "I was a biter when I was little..." 谁能记得
: 两岁时候的事情。搞笑么。你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个
: stage了，该好好管管了。
: outgrowth的表述就是表明有这么一个咬的stage。是小孩都有。大家不说，是对此有共
: 识。就连你自己后来给的链接的讨论中都有。咬人是不对的，家长当然要想办法。但是
: 家长不会苛求教育在这个stage“千分之一千”的成功。讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
: 就没有冲突。跑你那里倒是来了一堆的意见，以己度人。
:
: 合型可能会让小
f*g
155 楼
请动脑。她自己不记得，别人不兴告诉她么？她爹妈总记得吧？你不也记得你孩子两岁
时候的事吗？
孩早出了咬的那个
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 你是光捡着自己喜欢看得看。
: 象你引的那个家长反咬的帖子，还 "I was a biter when I was little..." 谁能记得
: 两岁时候的事情。搞笑么。你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个
: stage了，该好好管管了。
: outgrowth的表述就是表明有这么一个咬的stage。是小孩都有。大家不说，是对此有共
: 识。就连你自己后来给的链接的讨论中都有。咬人是不对的，家长当然要想办法。但是
: 家长不会苛求教育在这个stage“千分之一千”的成功。讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
: 就没有冲突。跑你那里倒是来了一堆的意见，以己度人。
:
: 合型可能会让小
w*9
156 楼
你是在说你自己。要跟你提多少次你才会“看到”反复提过的事实呢？
没人告诉过你妈是在哪个省生的吗?
：你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个stage了，该好好管管了。
大家不说，是对此
有共
我反复告诉过你：只有一小部分小孩咬人。你以为只有像你们家那种咬人的一小部分小
孩才是小孩？
为什么你还看不到，那么多人用两种对比强烈的方法（读那本小孩书和反咬）几乎全都
××××马上结束
了×××咬人的不规范行为？你还好意思提这样的stage啊？
碰上你这种大提自己一个小孩的咬人习惯“自动消失了”的家长，被咬小孩家真是不幸。
：讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 你是光捡着自己喜欢看得看。
: 象你引的那个家长反咬的帖子，还 "I was a biter when I was little..." 谁能记得
: 两岁时候的事情。搞笑么。你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个
: stage了，该好好管管了。
: outgrowth的表述就是表明有这么一个咬的stage。是小孩都有。大家不说，是对此有共
: 识。就连你自己后来给的链接的讨论中都有。咬人是不对的，家长当然要想办法。但是
: 家长不会苛求教育在这个stage“千分之一千”的成功。讲outgrowth和加强教育间从来
: 就没有冲突。跑你那里倒是来了一堆的意见，以己度人。
:
: 合型可能会让小
f*g
157 楼
貌似她家小孩只咬她家自己小孩，所以还好啦。而且她老二咬人行为没准真是“自动消
失”的，不然没法解释为啥突然不咬了，因为她不信有什么法子可以帮助消失的，所以
她貌似也没想过什么法子。
倒是她老大比较可怜，自己小时候是个不咬人的乖孩子，可是妈妈却认为是因为他无人
可咬，而不是因为他乖，然后又被老二咬。。。
了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你是在说你自己。要跟你提多少次你才会“看到”反复提过的事实呢？
: 没人告诉过你妈是在哪个省生的吗?
: ：你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个stage了，该好好管管了。
: 大家不说，是对此
: 有共
: 我反复告诉过你：只有一小部分小孩咬人。你以为只有像你们家那种咬人的一小部分小
: 孩才是小孩？
: 为什么你还看不到，那么多人用两种对比强烈的方法（读那本小孩书和反咬）几乎全都
: ××××马上结束
失”的，不然没法解释为啥突然不咬了，因为她不信有什么法子可以帮助消失的，所以
她貌似也没想过什么法子。
倒是她老大比较可怜，自己小时候是个不咬人的乖孩子，可是妈妈却认为是因为他无人
可咬，而不是因为他乖，然后又被老二咬。。。
了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 你是在说你自己。要跟你提多少次你才会“看到”反复提过的事实呢？
: 没人告诉过你妈是在哪个省生的吗?
: ：你也不动脑想想。如果事情是真，这个小孩早出了咬的那个stage了，该好好管管了。
: 大家不说，是对此
: 有共
: 我反复告诉过你：只有一小部分小孩咬人。你以为只有像你们家那种咬人的一小部分小
: 孩才是小孩？
: 为什么你还看不到，那么多人用两种对比强烈的方法（读那本小孩书和反咬）几乎全都
: ××××马上结束
w*9
158 楼
用Google作phrase search："Teeth are not for biting", 可以找到不少父母用这本书的第
一经验。应该还有这类其它的书。
而作phrase search：toddler “biting back”，可以找到更多的讨论。这无疑是个有不少争议的
办法。
一经验。应该还有这类其它的书。
而作phrase search：toddler “biting back”，可以找到更多的讨论。这无疑是个有不少争议的
办法。
w*9
159 楼
我写那句后，马上想过要加上：她家也是不幸的，即使她自己不觉得。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 貌似她家小孩只咬她家自己小孩，所以还好啦。而且她老二咬人行为没准真是“自动消
: 失”的，不然没法解释为啥突然不咬了，因为她不信有什么法子可以帮助消失的，所以
: 她貌似也没想过什么法子。
: 倒是她老大比较可怜，自己小时候是个不咬人的乖孩子，可是妈妈却认为是因为他无人
: 可咬，而不是因为他乖，然后又被老二咬。。。
:
: 了。
w*9
160 楼
我马上还想到过：在里面一处，我漏掉了一、两个字，虽然那并不会改变句子表达的整
体逻辑。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 我写那句后，马上想过要加上：她家也是不幸的，即使她自己不觉得。
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