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f*e
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今天学校律师下通知了。如果我们愿意降级，交钱支付I140就行了。
f*g
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刚才带着蛋子出去玩，外面有点风，给蛋子穿了羽绒服。回来之后blue就凑过来，一巴
掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也没
给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也没
给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
v*m
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Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
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Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
THE BOSTON GLOBE
October 7, 2014
The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
toiling in obscurity in a low-paying scientific apprenticeship that can
stretch more than a decade. The long hours were worth it for the expected
reward — the chance to launch an independent laboratory and do science that
could expand human understanding of biology and disease.
But in recent years, the postdoc position has become less a stepping stone
and more of a holding tank. Some of the smartest people in Boston are caught
up in an all-but-invisible crisis, mired in a biomedical underclass as
federal funding for research has leveled off, leaving the supply of well-
trained scientists outstripping demand.
“It’s sunk in that it’s by no means guaranteed — for anyone, really —
that an academic position is possible,” said Gary McDowell, 29, a biologist
doing his second postdoc at Tufts University who hopes to set up his own
lab in a few years. “There’s this huge labor force here to do the bench
work, the grunt work of science. But then there’s nowhere for them to go;
this massive pool of postdocs that accumulates and keeps growing.”
Postdocs fill an essential, but little-known niche in the scientific
pipeline. After spending 6 to 7 years on average earning a PhD, they invest
more years of training in a senior scientist’s laboratory as the final
precursor to starting labs where they can explore their own scientific ideas.
In the Boston area, where more than 8,000 postdocs — largely in the
biosciences — are estimated to work, tough job prospects are more than just
an issue of academic interest. Postdocs are a critical part of the
scientific landscape that in many ways distinguishes the region — they are
both future leaders and the workers who carry out experiments crucial for
science to advance.
The plight of postdocs has become a point of national discussion among
senior scientists, as their struggles have come to be seen as symptoms of
broader problems plaguing biomedical research. After years of rapid growth,
federal funding abruptly leveled off and even contracted over the last
decade, leaving a glut of postdocs vying for a limited number of faculty
jobs. Paradoxically, as they’ve gotten stuck, the pursuit of research
breakthroughs has also become reliant on them as a cheap source of labor for
senior scientists.
“They really are the canary in the coal mine,” said Marc Kirschner, a
professor of systems biology at Harvard Medical School whose lab of 17
scientists includes 12 postdocs. “They decided they’d go ahead and try to
understand why a cancer cell is different from a normal cell, and here they
are a few years out. They knew it was a competitive situation, and they were
going to work very hard, but they didn’t see the whole system was going to
sour so quickly.”
Biomedical research training traditionally has followed a well-worn path.
After college, people who want to pursue an advanced degree enroll in
graduate school. The vast majority of biology graduate students then go on
to do one or more postdoc positions, where they continue their training,
often well into their 30s.
Their progress is very poorly tracked; the leader of a national report on
the state of postdocs has called them “invisible people.” The National
Institutes of Health estimates there are somewhere between 37,000 and 68,000
postdocs in the country. Salaries vary, but rarely reflect their level of
education. The NIH stipend ranges from $42,000 a year for a starting postdoc
, up to $55,272 for a seventh year.
The problem is that any researcher running a lab today is training far more
people than there will ever be labs to run. Often these supremely well-
educated trainees are simply cheap laborers, not learning skills for the
careers where they are more likely to find jobs — teaching, industry,
government or nonprofit jobs, or consulting.
This wasn’t such an issue decades ago, but universities have expanded the
number of PhD students they train — there were about 30,000 biomedical
graduate students in 1979 and 56,800 in 2009. That has had the effect of
flooding the system with trainees and drawing out the training period.
In 1970, scientists typically received their first major federal funding
when they were 34. In 2011, those lucky enough to get a coveted tenure-track
faculty position and run their own labs, at an average age of 37, don’t
get the equivalent grant until nearly a decade later, at age 42.
Facing these stark statistics, postdocs are taking matters into their own
hands. They organized a Future of Research conference in Boston last week
that they hoped would give voice to their frustrations and hopes and help
shape change.
“How can we, as the next generation, run the system?” said Kristin
Krukenberg, 34, a lead organizer of the conference and a biologist in her
sixth year as a postdoc at Harvard Medical School after six years in
graduate school. Krukenberg plans to apply for faculty positions this year,
and said that as she has neared the end of her long years of training, she
has begun to think deeply about her future responsibilities to the people in
her lab.
“Some of the models we see don’t seem tenable in the long run,”
Krukenberg said.
She has seen how large labs can create a vicious feedback loop: the
scientists who run them become both dependent on the cheap labor and stuck
in a cycle of endlessly writing grants to support a big laboratory. She
would like to run a lab small enough that she can do science, while helping
prepare postdocs for their next jobs.
Many senior scientists, who may fondly remember their own postdocs days,
agree that laboratories have grown too bloated. As the cost of conducting
research and the number of institutions doing such work have increased,
science has outgrown the traditional model in which trainees are also the
worker bees, they say.
“The mom-and-pop structure we used to have doesn’t work… anymore,” said
Gregory Petsko, who headed a national committee studying the plight of
postdocs and for years ran a laboratory at Brandeis University before moving
to Weill Cornell Medical College. “The game is changed, and what should be
a wonderful time in people’s lives is, in many cases, a time of great,
great anxiety and unhappiness.”
Possible solutions span a wide gamut, from halving the number of postdocs
over time, to creating a new tier of staff scientists that would be better
paid. One thing people seem to agree on: Simply adding more money to the pot
will not by itself solve the oversupply.
Petsko said he is the “poster child” for how the system can go wrong, by
building a laboratory that leaned heavily on efficient, smart postdocs who
could do science productively, rather than emphasizing their training.
“As I got older and developed more outside responsibilities… it became
easier to have more postdocs than graduate students because they didn’t
need as much supervision. You could have a bigger lab that way without
occupying more of your time,” Petsko said. “I could have done almost as
much science and just about as good science with a significantly smaller lab
.”
The issue has been taken up by influential groups. Petsko led a committee
convened by the National Academy of Sciences to draft a report on the state
of postdocs, expected to be released soon. Earlier this year, Kirschner
teamed up with the head of the National Cancer Institute, the former
president of Princeton University, and the former editor-in-chief of the
prestigious journal Science to publish a controversial paper describing a
worrisome, hypercompetitive atmosphere in science and its dependence on
postdocs and graduate students.
Casey Ydenberg’s path illustrates how easy it is to follow a dream and find
oneself locked in a career track without a destination.
Ydenberg, 33, has an impressive resume: he earned a PhD at Princeton, then
went for a postdoc at Brandeis. This summer, a decade into his training, he
realized that not only were the odds of getting a faculty job against him,
but he didn’t think he really wanted one. He felt burnt out.
Today, Ydenberg is pursuing a job that gives him real joy, building websites
. He isn’t bitter; he cherishes his memories of graduate school. But he
uses none of his formal training and thinks there should be more
conversations, earlier, about future careers so that people don’t spend as
long honing research skills that may not prove relevant.
“I don’t think we’re this oppressed minority or anything like that,”
Ydenberg said. “But I think for science to reform and for science to become
better at serving society, the issues facing postdocs are going to need to
be addressed — otherwise nobody is going to want to go into research.”
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Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
THE BOSTON GLOBE
October 7, 2014
The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
toiling in obscurity in a low-paying scientific apprenticeship that can
stretch more than a decade. The long hours were worth it for the expected
reward — the chance to launch an independent laboratory and do science that
could expand human understanding of biology and disease.
But in recent years, the postdoc position has become less a stepping stone
and more of a holding tank. Some of the smartest people in Boston are caught
up in an all-but-invisible crisis, mired in a biomedical underclass as
federal funding for research has leveled off, leaving the supply of well-
trained scientists outstripping demand.
“It’s sunk in that it’s by no means guaranteed — for anyone, really —
that an academic position is possible,” said Gary McDowell, 29, a biologist
doing his second postdoc at Tufts University who hopes to set up his own
lab in a few years. “There’s this huge labor force here to do the bench
work, the grunt work of science. But then there’s nowhere for them to go;
this massive pool of postdocs that accumulates and keeps growing.”
Postdocs fill an essential, but little-known niche in the scientific
pipeline. After spending 6 to 7 years on average earning a PhD, they invest
more years of training in a senior scientist’s laboratory as the final
precursor to starting labs where they can explore their own scientific ideas.
In the Boston area, where more than 8,000 postdocs — largely in the
biosciences — are estimated to work, tough job prospects are more than just
an issue of academic interest. Postdocs are a critical part of the
scientific landscape that in many ways distinguishes the region — they are
both future leaders and the workers who carry out experiments crucial for
science to advance.
The plight of postdocs has become a point of national discussion among
senior scientists, as their struggles have come to be seen as symptoms of
broader problems plaguing biomedical research. After years of rapid growth,
federal funding abruptly leveled off and even contracted over the last
decade, leaving a glut of postdocs vying for a limited number of faculty
jobs. Paradoxically, as they’ve gotten stuck, the pursuit of research
breakthroughs has also become reliant on them as a cheap source of labor for
senior scientists.
“They really are the canary in the coal mine,” said Marc Kirschner, a
professor of systems biology at Harvard Medical School whose lab of 17
scientists includes 12 postdocs. “They decided they’d go ahead and try to
understand why a cancer cell is different from a normal cell, and here they
are a few years out. They knew it was a competitive situation, and they were
going to work very hard, but they didn’t see the whole system was going to
sour so quickly.”
Biomedical research training traditionally has followed a well-worn path.
After college, people who want to pursue an advanced degree enroll in
graduate school. The vast majority of biology graduate students then go on
to do one or more postdoc positions, where they continue their training,
often well into their 30s.
Their progress is very poorly tracked; the leader of a national report on
the state of postdocs has called them “invisible people.” The National
Institutes of Health estimates there are somewhere between 37,000 and 68,000
postdocs in the country. Salaries vary, but rarely reflect their level of
education. The NIH stipend ranges from $42,000 a year for a starting postdoc
, up to $55,272 for a seventh year.
The problem is that any researcher running a lab today is training far more
people than there will ever be labs to run. Often these supremely well-
educated trainees are simply cheap laborers, not learning skills for the
careers where they are more likely to find jobs — teaching, industry,
government or nonprofit jobs, or consulting.
This wasn’t such an issue decades ago, but universities have expanded the
number of PhD students they train — there were about 30,000 biomedical
graduate students in 1979 and 56,800 in 2009. That has had the effect of
flooding the system with trainees and drawing out the training period.
In 1970, scientists typically received their first major federal funding
when they were 34. In 2011, those lucky enough to get a coveted tenure-track
faculty position and run their own labs, at an average age of 37, don’t
get the equivalent grant until nearly a decade later, at age 42.
Facing these stark statistics, postdocs are taking matters into their own
hands. They organized a Future of Research conference in Boston last week
that they hoped would give voice to their frustrations and hopes and help
shape change.
“How can we, as the next generation, run the system?” said Kristin
Krukenberg, 34, a lead organizer of the conference and a biologist in her
sixth year as a postdoc at Harvard Medical School after six years in
graduate school. Krukenberg plans to apply for faculty positions this year,
and said that as she has neared the end of her long years of training, she
has begun to think deeply about her future responsibilities to the people in
her lab.
“Some of the models we see don’t seem tenable in the long run,”
Krukenberg said.
She has seen how large labs can create a vicious feedback loop: the
scientists who run them become both dependent on the cheap labor and stuck
in a cycle of endlessly writing grants to support a big laboratory. She
would like to run a lab small enough that she can do science, while helping
prepare postdocs for their next jobs.
Many senior scientists, who may fondly remember their own postdocs days,
agree that laboratories have grown too bloated. As the cost of conducting
research and the number of institutions doing such work have increased,
science has outgrown the traditional model in which trainees are also the
worker bees, they say.
“The mom-and-pop structure we used to have doesn’t work… anymore,” said
Gregory Petsko, who headed a national committee studying the plight of
postdocs and for years ran a laboratory at Brandeis University before moving
to Weill Cornell Medical College. “The game is changed, and what should be
a wonderful time in people’s lives is, in many cases, a time of great,
great anxiety and unhappiness.”
Possible solutions span a wide gamut, from halving the number of postdocs
over time, to creating a new tier of staff scientists that would be better
paid. One thing people seem to agree on: Simply adding more money to the pot
will not by itself solve the oversupply.
Petsko said he is the “poster child” for how the system can go wrong, by
building a laboratory that leaned heavily on efficient, smart postdocs who
could do science productively, rather than emphasizing their training.
“As I got older and developed more outside responsibilities… it became
easier to have more postdocs than graduate students because they didn’t
need as much supervision. You could have a bigger lab that way without
occupying more of your time,” Petsko said. “I could have done almost as
much science and just about as good science with a significantly smaller lab
.”
The issue has been taken up by influential groups. Petsko led a committee
convened by the National Academy of Sciences to draft a report on the state
of postdocs, expected to be released soon. Earlier this year, Kirschner
teamed up with the head of the National Cancer Institute, the former
president of Princeton University, and the former editor-in-chief of the
prestigious journal Science to publish a controversial paper describing a
worrisome, hypercompetitive atmosphere in science and its dependence on
postdocs and graduate students.
Casey Ydenberg’s path illustrates how easy it is to follow a dream and find
oneself locked in a career track without a destination.
Ydenberg, 33, has an impressive resume: he earned a PhD at Princeton, then
went for a postdoc at Brandeis. This summer, a decade into his training, he
realized that not only were the odds of getting a faculty job against him,
but he didn’t think he really wanted one. He felt burnt out.
Today, Ydenberg is pursuing a job that gives him real joy, building websites
. He isn’t bitter; he cherishes his memories of graduate school. But he
uses none of his formal training and thinks there should be more
conversations, earlier, about future careers so that people don’t spend as
long honing research skills that may not prove relevant.
“I don’t think we’re this oppressed minority or anything like that,”
Ydenberg said. “But I think for science to reform and for science to become
better at serving society, the issues facing postdocs are going to need to
be addressed — otherwise nobody is going to want to go into research.”
t*e
4 楼
快交钱去，别在这里浪费是间
y*o
5 楼
blue这孩子也太妒忌了吧……哈哈
巴掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也
没给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
【在 f*******g 的大作中提到】
: 刚才带着蛋子出去玩，外面有点风，给蛋子穿了羽绒服。回来之后blue就凑过来，一巴
: 掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也没
: 给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
巴掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也
没给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
【在 f*******g 的大作中提到】
: 刚才带着蛋子出去玩，外面有点风，给蛋子穿了羽绒服。回来之后blue就凑过来，一巴
: 掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也没
: 给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
a*n
6 楼
米尤家也没余粮啊。。。。。。。。。。。。。。！
【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
: PDF of This Issue
: Article Tools
: Post CommentE-MailPrintWrite the EditorPost to FacebookShare on Reddit
: Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
: Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
: ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
: THE BOSTON GLOBE
: October 7, 2014
: The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
: PDF of This Issue
: Article Tools
: Post CommentE-MailPrintWrite the EditorPost to FacebookShare on Reddit
: Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
: Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
: ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
: THE BOSTON GLOBE
: October 7, 2014
: The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
y*0
7 楼
看来EB2都要被赶出去这个版了...
f*g
8 楼
丫的，如果进门先抱蛋子，再抱他。blue就生气，使劲咬你，要到衣服还不行，一定要
到手指头才解气。
现在每次进来都是先抱他，再抱蛋子。。。。。。。。
和小女人一样，一天到晚生气，刚开始我都不知道咋回事，现在终于高清这个小心眼了。
【在 y********o 的大作中提到】
: blue这孩子也太妒忌了吧……哈哈
:
: 巴掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也
: 没给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
到手指头才解气。
现在每次进来都是先抱他，再抱蛋子。。。。。。。。
和小女人一样，一天到晚生气，刚开始我都不知道咋回事，现在终于高清这个小心眼了。
【在 y********o 的大作中提到】
: blue这孩子也太妒忌了吧……哈哈
:
: 巴掌一巴掌的给蛋子脱衣服。蛋子只好躲在我身后，blue费了一番功夫骑在蛋子身上也
: 没给脱下来，只好放弃了，趴在单子旁边无奈的看着。
v*m
9 楼
美国人在过去十年对这个问题已经讨论很深入。原因就是Nih不负责任允许RO1随便招人
，导致博后接受不到任何有用的培训，沦为整个基础研究体系的廉价劳动力。
这个话题要天天讲，免得深陷困境的千老还生活在玫瑰色中。
【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
: PDF of This Issue
: Article Tools
: Post CommentE-MailPrintWrite the EditorPost to FacebookShare on Reddit
: Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
: Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
: ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
: THE BOSTON GLOBE
: October 7, 2014
: The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
，导致博后接受不到任何有用的培训，沦为整个基础研究体系的廉价劳动力。
这个话题要天天讲，免得深陷困境的千老还生活在玫瑰色中。
【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
: PDF of This Issue
: Article Tools
: Post CommentE-MailPrintWrite the EditorPost to FacebookShare on Reddit
: Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
: Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
: ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
: THE BOSTON GLOBE
: October 7, 2014
: The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
c*r
10 楼
en
赶紧交钱
名额就那么多
先到先得
今天听说朋友得公司也开始了
【在 f*****e 的大作中提到】
: 今天学校律师下通知了。如果我们愿意降级，交钱支付I140就行了。
y*o
11 楼
blue太神奇了！幸亏是个猫，是个人的话……估计就是个小狐狸精了！^_^
要到手指头才解气。
了。
【在 f*******g 的大作中提到】
: 丫的，如果进门先抱蛋子，再抱他。blue就生气，使劲咬你，要到衣服还不行，一定要
: 到手指头才解气。
: 现在每次进来都是先抱他，再抱蛋子。。。。。。。。
: 和小女人一样，一天到晚生气，刚开始我都不知道咋回事，现在终于高清这个小心眼了。
要到手指头才解气。
了。
【在 f*******g 的大作中提到】
: 丫的，如果进门先抱蛋子，再抱他。blue就生气，使劲咬你，要到衣服还不行，一定要
: 到手指头才解气。
: 现在每次进来都是先抱他，再抱蛋子。。。。。。。。
: 和小女人一样，一天到晚生气，刚开始我都不知道咋回事，现在终于高清这个小心眼了。
W*o
12 楼
tag
【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
: PDF of This Issue
: Article Tools
: Post CommentE-MailPrintWrite the EditorPost to FacebookShare on Reddit
: Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
: Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
: ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
: THE BOSTON GLOBE
: October 7, 2014
: The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: Volume 134>>Issue 44 : Tuesday, October 7, 2014
: PDF of This Issue
: Article Tools
: Post CommentE-MailPrintWrite the EditorPost to FacebookShare on Reddit
: Excess postdocs causes quiet crisis
: Well-educated trainees seen as source of cheap scientific labor
: ByCarolyn Y. Johnson
: THE BOSTON GLOBE
: October 7, 2014
: The life of the humble biomedical postdoctoral researcher was never easy:
n*m
13 楼
哈哈，看来EB2C走EB3C要黄，这么多人一挤，EB3C向EB3I看齐咯,EB2C终于高兴了，要
你比我快，活该。
你比我快，活该。
c*r
14 楼
看看eb3得人数
足够1／2000 eb2降了
【在 n***m 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，看来EB2C走EB3C要黄，这么多人一挤，EB3C向EB3I看齐咯,EB2C终于高兴了，要
: 你比我快，活该。
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