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Question about Viennese Waltz# Dance - 轻舞飞扬

a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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Learned a bit Viennese Waltz last night. The teacher said i was sort of
jumping; i thought it was because i tried to catch the fast tempo. But there
's something about footwork to make it smooth. How can I do it fast and
smooth at the same time? Can anybody point out the key technique?
Also, i am supposed to be able to move by myself (instead of completely
relying on a partner) so that i have my own balance. is that right?
Thx.

c*l2006-11-14 08:11

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pass your foot in straight line, also move in straight line ba, that will
help

there

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Learned a bit Viennese Waltz last night. The teacher said i was sort of
: jumping; i thought it was because i tried to catch the fast tempo. But there
: 's something about footwork to make it smooth. How can I do it fast and
: smooth at the same time? Can anybody point out the key technique?
: Also, i am supposed to be able to move by myself (instead of completely
: relying on a partner) so that i have my own balance. is that right?
: Thx.

w*k2006-11-14 08:11

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Stay low and soft knee? I think that helps you with the jumpy step...

there

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n*r2006-11-14 08:11

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It's hard to diagnose technical problems on paper. It'd so much easier if
you would post one of your practice video clips.
Are you jumpy on reverse turns or natural turns? It could be you "launch"
your body when reverse turning at too steep an angle?...

there

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a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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Thx for all the replies.
I confess: i want to do V waltz for fun, on top of paso doble (which i am
more serious about) in the studio showcase. I have to blame myself for
trying to take a shortcut. Rome is not built in one day - nor is viennese
waltz learned in two classes ;)
However, for the competition two months ago, i planned to do 3 latin dances,
and added a waltz the last minute (just to have fun). I spent 30 minutes
with my teacher and got a routine. It turned out my best dance at the
comp

n*r2006-11-14 08:11

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They are the same. Except when posing or changing direction abruptly, in all
five standard dances, especially waltz and foxtrot, body weight should stay
on one foot at a time for as long as the music allows, and the time the
weight is split between two feet should be minimized, so as to make the
movement more energy efficient and lend the dance a sense of serenity and
suave.

dances,
or

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Thx for all the replies.
: I confess: i want to do V waltz for fun, on top of paso doble (which i am
: more serious about) in the studio showcase. I have to blame myself for
: trying to take a shortcut. Rome is not built in one day - nor is viennese
: waltz learned in two classes ;)
: However, for the competition two months ago, i planned to do 3 latin dances,
: and added a waltz the last minute (just to have fun). I spent 30 minutes
: with my teacher and got a routine. It turned out my best dance at the
: comp

w*52006-11-14 08:11

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I was having the same problem. My instructor gave me two reasons:
1. I was doing a little bit rise and fall
2. I was attempting to make larger step

there

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a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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Thanks! I've just started to observe the rule of "staying on one foot at a
time for as long as the music allows" in the Luca clip Musique provided.
Their sharp swing-and-hold in the foxtrot is so beautiful. Feel I am getting
a bit obsessed with standard/smooth now...

all
stay

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: They are the same. Except when posing or changing direction abruptly, in all
: five standard dances, especially waltz and foxtrot, body weight should stay
: on one foot at a time for as long as the music allows, and the time the
: weight is split between two feet should be minimized, so as to make the
: movement more energy efficient and lend the dance a sense of serenity and
: suave.
:
: dances,
: or

a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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You are right - these two are not possible for fast music tempo; that's what
i did while trying to catch the music. Plus, if i spend some time on split
weight between two feet, it enhances the jumpy part.
Let me practice again...

【在 w***5 的大作中提到】

: I was having the same problem. My instructor gave me two reasons:
: 1. I was doing a little bit rise and fall
: 2. I was attempting to make larger step
:
: there

n*r2006-11-14 08:11

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The point is not whether you should or should not make large strides.
Vianese Waltz could be danced with extremely large strides with little
effort. It is not the goal but the effect of "efficient" and musical dancing
. The question is whether you are executing swinging motion, which entails
letting gravity do most of if not all the work not your muscle. You should
never LABOR for large strides. To facilitate that, your and your partner's
bodies and the different parts of the bodies need a huge

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: You are right - these two are not possible for fast music tempo; that's what
: i did while trying to catch the music. Plus, if i spend some time on split
: weight between two feet, it enhances the jumpy part.
: Let me practice again...

a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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Very sophisticate summary. I am sure i will come back to digest this post
again after tonight's v waltz class.
BM, mark it!

dancing
internal
around
bodies

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: The point is not whether you should or should not make large strides.
: Vianese Waltz could be danced with extremely large strides with little
: effort. It is not the goal but the effect of "efficient" and musical dancing
: . The question is whether you are executing swinging motion, which entails
: letting gravity do most of if not all the work not your muscle. You should
: never LABOR for large strides. To facilitate that, your and your partner's
: bodies and the different parts of the bodies need a huge

c*l2006-11-14 08:11

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did le ya

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Very sophisticate summary. I am sure i will come back to digest this post
: again after tonight's v waltz class.
: BM, mark it!
:
: dancing
: internal
: around
: bodies

a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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Oh i see...

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: did le ya

d*e2006-11-14 08:11

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to avoid rise and fall in v.w. you start with the right footwork. let's say
you start going forward in reverse turn, first step left foot heel-toe,
second step right foot toe (with bent knee), third step compress on your
right foot on toe (more like ball, not your tippy toe) and drag close left
foot flat. rest of reverse turn is similar. now you're never on both toes in
reverse turn, so there shouldn't be much rise at all. in natural turn,
there's a bit more rise compared to reverse turn, you're

c*l2006-11-14 08:11

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which direction should we face when start?
half year no dance, i almost forget half of my skills :(
altho i had a great time dancing on the east coast
VW is not the same as Waltz ba, natural turn, waltz starts facing DW, VW
facing DC, right?

say
in

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: to avoid rise and fall in v.w. you start with the right footwork. let's say
: you start going forward in reverse turn, first step left foot heel-toe,
: second step right foot toe (with bent knee), third step compress on your
: right foot on toe (more like ball, not your tippy toe) and drag close left
: foot flat. rest of reverse turn is similar. now you're never on both toes in
: reverse turn, so there shouldn't be much rise at all. in natural turn,
: there's a bit more rise compared to reverse turn, you're

d*e2006-11-14 08:11

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it depends on whether you start with natural or reverse turn. principle of
alignment is the same as in waltz.

c*l2006-11-14 08:11

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a? if i start with natural turn, in waltz i face DW ya, in VW, i think we
start with DC ba? :P

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: it depends on whether you start with natural or reverse turn. principle of
: alignment is the same as in waltz.

M*e2006-11-14 08:11

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i think so too

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: a? if i start with natural turn, in waltz i face DW ya, in VW, i think we
: start with DC ba? :P

a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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I see. yap, throwing myself forward, using my standing leg. Start to feel it
now...

say
in

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a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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What's DW? What's DC, then?

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: which direction should we face when start?
: half year no dance, i almost forget half of my skills :(
: altho i had a great time dancing on the east coast
: VW is not the same as Waltz ba, natural turn, waltz starts facing DW, VW
: facing DC, right?
:
: say
: in

o*n2006-11-14 08:11

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diagonal wall/center

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: What's DW? What's DC, then?

a*e2006-11-14 08:11

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Thanks. how are they different? (apologize for my ignorance, just start to
get into standard in a serious manner)

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: diagonal wall/center

d*e2006-11-14 08:11

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gosh you're right, otherwise you might bang into the wall! i never thought
of that. we always start with reverse

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: a? if i start with natural turn, in waltz i face DW ya, in VW, i think we
: start with DC ba? :P

c*l2006-11-14 08:11

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i c. i am low hand ya, have to always start with natural :( //blush
but i already forgot what i said last time. then after i felt messy about VW,
then i started thinking why i felt so messy, then i realized that, my
orientation was wrong! :(

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: gosh you're right, otherwise you might bang into the wall! i never thought
: of that. we always start with reverse

d*e2006-11-14 08:11

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i have never thought about how alignment would be different in v.w., now
that you mentioned it of course it would be since the amount of turn is
different. i'm glad i learned something:)

c*l2006-11-14 08:11

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i dont know about amount of turn tho :( //blush
it kills too many brain cells just try to figure out how many degrees we
need to turn in VW.
you dont have to know ya, because you are follower ya
i have to know it acurately because the next important thing is the change,
during the change between natural and reverse, we need to change a small
angle, from DW to DC or DC to DW, if we mess up the first part, we then will
mess up the change, and then we mess up the second part, then we look ugly,
ba

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: i have never thought about how alignment would be different in v.w., now
: that you mentioned it of course it would be since the amount of turn is
: different. i'm glad i learned something:)