I was eb2 and I got green card already. However, I don't understand why every eb2 are so enthusiastic about HR3012. It seems that the USCIS was already trying to better utilize the spillover visa number and we saw the number of approval in the past a few months rising dramatically so I don't think they are enforcing the 7% rule anyway. So what is the possible gain from HR3012? To get some visa number from ROW? I believe the gain is very limited and the risk is that our visa number would be robbed by Indian.
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : I was eb2 and I got green card already. However, I don't understand why : every eb2 are so enthusiastic about HR3012. It seems that the USCIS was : already trying to better utilize the spillover visa number and we saw the : number of approval in the past a few months rising dramatically so I don't : think they are enforcing the 7% rule anyway. So what is the possible gain : from HR3012? To get some visa number from ROW? I believe the gain is very : limited and the risk is that our visa number would be robbed by Indian.
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : I just believe that chinese EB don't have much to gain from 3012. We are : getting spillover already, right?
s*c
12 楼
well, do you think it will change when hr3012 pass? Korean may lost that thousand of SO, how many will land to china? how much more could be robbed by indian if we don't have 7% reserved visa number? The previous way of SO allocation (based on PD) is exactly what HR3012 gives us. Only difference is that we have our garanteed 7%. I will be all for the increase of per-country limit for EB from 7% to 14%. Why can't it follow the FB change which is proposed in the bill anyway. That is even less change of the existing bill.
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : well, do you think it will change when hr3012 pass? : Korean may lost that thousand of SO, how many will land to china? how much : more could be robbed by indian if we don't have 7% reserved visa number? : The previous way of SO allocation (based on PD) is exactly what HR3012 gives : us. Only difference is that we have our garanteed 7%. : I will be all for the increase of per-country limit for EB from 7% to 14%. : Why can't it follow the FB change which is proposed in the bill anyway. That : is even less change of the existing bill.
g*g
17 楼
I don't think EB2 India/China tie will change in the next 5 years if nothing is changed. 3012 take ROW to the same boat and it's at least fair. I wouldn't wait for 2 extra years, get way more EB2ROWs green in order to slow down fewer EB2I. Only mentally retarded would do that.
much gives That
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : well, do you think it will change when hr3012 pass? : Korean may lost that thousand of SO, how many will land to china? how much : more could be robbed by indian if we don't have 7% reserved visa number? : The previous way of SO allocation (based on PD) is exactly what HR3012 gives : us. Only difference is that we have our garanteed 7%. : I will be all for the increase of per-country limit for EB from 7% to 14%. : Why can't it follow the FB change which is proposed in the bill anyway. That : is even less change of the existing bill.
g*g
18 楼
Because it's FIFO, I don't understand why people are against a change before they read what the change is.
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : If we can't get 7% before, how can HR3012 help us secure the visa number : from ROW?
s*c
19 楼
That is what I don't understand. India and China have their seperate PD, so why it is justified to tie India/China together?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : I don't think EB2 India/China tie will change in the next 5 years if : nothing is changed. 3012 take ROW to the same boat and it's at least : fair. : I wouldn't wait for 2 extra years, get way more EB2ROWs green in : order to slow down fewer EB2I. Only mentally retarded would do that. : : much : gives : That
g*g
20 楼
Because they both have more than 7% or 2800 demand every year. And O decides to FIFO for those countries. He gets the least criticism doing it this way (FYI, bash on mitbbs doesn't count).
so
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : : That is what I don't understand. India and China have their seperate PD, so : why it is justified to tie India/China together?
s*c
21 楼
If India and China were not tied together, India's PD should be a few years earlier than us. In that scenario, do you agree FIFO? FIFO (or EB2I tied with EB2C) were argument used by O which redirect the spillover to EB23I. I don't think any of us agree with that before. Obviously, HR3012 are Indian's idea to boost their share (why the upper limit for the top two country is 85%? not 60%?). Why can't they have some upper limit a single country can get after the 3 year transitional period?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Because it's FIFO, I don't understand why people are against a change : before they read what the change is.
s*c
22 楼
Reserve 7% for both country and then FIFO? or FIFO from the beginning?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Because they both have more than 7% or 2800 demand every year. : And O decides to FIFO for those countries. He gets the least : criticism doing it this way (FYI, bash on mitbbs doesn't count). : : so
s*c
23 楼
What you say is exactly I hate. Right, we don't try to fight for our share but just wait for others leftover. If we have the power to prevent 3012's passing, we can use that as leverage to amend the law from 7% to 14%. India would benefit from that law change as well.
FIFO and make sure both countries get at least 7%.
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : Reserve 7% for both country and then FIFO? or FIFO from the beginning?
s*c
25 楼
Actually, how about make sure the 27% rule is enforced and just amend the bill to regulate the spillover visa number allocation like in HR3012? Like, no single country can get more than 70% of the spillover. Which will remove the tie between EB2I and EB2C.
leftover. leverage
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : What you say is exactly I hate. : Right, we don't try to fight for our share but just wait for others leftover. : If we have the power to prevent 3012's passing, we can use that as leverage : to amend the law from 7% to 14%. India would benefit from that law change : as well.
c*n
26 楼
LLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL " we don't try to fight for our share but just wait for others leftover",不 知道应该说你很傻很天真还是随便张嘴就来这么一句。谁去办这件事情?怎么办这件事 情?凭什么去办?就凭一张嘴么? LIA,NIU都在看着这个法案,有什么具体实施办法或者对策让老中拿到更多利益么?没 有。。。。。你一个人怎么去抗争?在这点上,老猪这样的英雄太可贵了。 如果只是一张嘴张开就说,而且是拿到绿卡站着说话不腰疼的情况下说,我不表示任何 感激和赞赏。
leftover. leverage
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : What you say is exactly I hate. : Right, we don't try to fight for our share but just wait for others leftover. : If we have the power to prevent 3012's passing, we can use that as leverage : to amend the law from 7% to 14%. India would benefit from that law change : as well.
s*c
27 楼
I am suggesting LIA and NIU to talk to those India backers to verbally oppose this bill. (we don't have to put much effort in that). The worst thing is they don't take us seriously and the bill still passes. We still gain our share. But if this bill is not passed in the end, then they might want to hear our voice the next time when they propose similiar bill.
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】 : LLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL : " we don't try to fight for our share but just wait for others leftover",不 : 知道应该说你很傻很天真还是随便张嘴就来这么一句。谁去办这件事情?怎么办这件事 : 情?凭什么去办?就凭一张嘴么? : LIA,NIU都在看着这个法案,有什么具体实施办法或者对策让老中拿到更多利益么?没 : 有。。。。。你一个人怎么去抗争?在这点上,老猪这样的英雄太可贵了。 : 如果只是一张嘴张开就说,而且是拿到绿卡站着说话不腰疼的情况下说,我不表示任何 : 感激和赞赏。 : : leftover.
c*n
28 楼
这个建议很好,那么,with all my respect,请问你能够为这件事情做些什么?除了建 议以外。
might
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : I am suggesting LIA and NIU to talk to those India backers to verbally : oppose this bill. (we don't have to put much effort in that). The worst : thing is they don't take us seriously and the bill still passes. We still : gain our share. But if this bill is not passed in the end, then they might : want to hear our voice the next time when they propose similiar bill.
s*c
29 楼
If LIA and NIU also think 这个建议很好, and willing to act. Then I would act according to their command, like calling/writing to congressman.
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】 : 这个建议很好,那么,with all my respect,请问你能够为这件事情做些什么?除了建 : 议以外。 : : might
c*n
30 楼
Right, I will do the same. And, what are we waiting for now?
【在 s*****c 的大作中提到】 : If LIA and NIU also think 这个建议很好, and willing to act. Then I would : act according to their command, like calling/writing to congressman.
S*r
31 楼
No one has a clear explanation of the current "green wave". Maybe O is making up for his mistake not moving VB to 2008 over the past summer; maybe O is implementing 27% rule under the pressure; or maybe he is just trying to clean up the July 2007 fiasco to create inventory. Whether or not EB2C has got more than 2803 for the last two months is still a question that no one has affirmative answers yet, nor can anyone--including O to guarantee that such a green wave can happen to EB2C every year going forward. Remember, 2007 Fiasco is a once in a blue moon thing. So please stop claiming that EB2C will be fine under the current rules.
m*r
32 楼
Re 自己拿到绿卡以后再号召其他人延长自己等待来跟老印斗争,这是柴玲的风格,得有一定的脸皮才做得出来这样的事情。 怎么不干脆建议美国以后不要批绿卡了,这样压根儿没有老印跟你来争那点IT的工作不是更好?
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】 : LLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL : " we don't try to fight for our share but just wait for others leftover",不 : 知道应该说你很傻很天真还是随便张嘴就来这么一句。谁去办这件事情?怎么办这件事 : 情?凭什么去办?就凭一张嘴么? : LIA,NIU都在看着这个法案,有什么具体实施办法或者对策让老中拿到更多利益么?没 : 有。。。。。你一个人怎么去抗争?在这点上,老猪这样的英雄太可贵了。 : 如果只是一张嘴张开就说,而且是拿到绿卡站着说话不腰疼的情况下说,我不表示任何 : 感激和赞赏。 : : leftover.
"看似不可调和,其实在更大范围内,是天然的合作关系" 这个是纯粹新闻联播论调,如果摘自人民日报请注明转载。 also, i feel you didn't understand the difference between close and closer. you MIGHT need to put more thoughts on this.
c*n
50 楼
不想着怎么把饼做大,只想着怎么把别人踩下去,你觉得到底是什么样的人更需要“ put more thoughts on this”。
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【在 o********s 的大作中提到】 : "看似不可调和,其实在更大范围内,是天然的合作关系" : 这个是纯粹新闻联播论调,如果摘自人民日报请注明转载。 : also, i feel you didn't understand the difference between close and closer. : you MIGHT need to put more thoughts on this.
o*s
51 楼
问题是, 1。我们需要这么大的饼么?我的结论是我们的胃口现在看上去不错,但是数据证明在 变小,而且胃口越来越小。 2。我觉得3012只能使小部分人更快的吃到饼。就是已经在排队的eb2cs. my impression is, you need gc very badly. (i might be wrong on this because i don't know you.) but, it will be great if you can convince me that eb2/3, as a group, needs this 3012 in the short and the long run. end.
【在 o********s 的大作中提到】 : 问题是, : 1。我们需要这么大的饼么?我的结论是我们的胃口现在看上去不错,但是数据证明在 : 变小,而且胃口越来越小。 : 2。我觉得3012只能使小部分人更快的吃到饼。就是已经在排队的eb2cs. : my impression is, you need gc very badly. (i might be wrong on this because : i don't know you.) : but, it will be great if you can convince me that eb2/3, as a group, needs : this 3012 in the short and the long run. : end.