Re: BT theory :-)) - 未名空间MITBBS历史存档

b*y2099-08-20 07:08

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还号称自己懂逻辑，太可笑。韩粉和一些中国”文化人“现在最擅长的就是把一万个证
据拆开来，然后逐条给你分析，说那不是铁证。其中不少伪装成所谓的“理性”分析的
“逻辑派”，其实根本就是文科生在侮辱“逻辑”这两个字，不过世上庸人很多，所以
这种贩卖假“逻辑”的手法确实能迷惑不少人。
按照这个逻辑没有一个罪犯可以被定罪，因为如果逐条分析而不是相互应证的话，没有
一条证据可以成为100％毫无漏洞的铁证，即使无数条证据组合起来相互应证了，也不
能说就绝对100％不可能弄错，这个世界上没有绝对不可能的事情，正常人对事物做出
判断，只能是在参考了各种事实之间相互应证的关系后做出的概率性的判断，否则就叫
做信仰。
就以破桥举的一个例子来说，假设有：
证据1：韩寒引用“红楼梦”了，但是韩寒说他不爱看名著。
破桥：这算什么证据，你懂逻辑吗？难到不可能韩寒偶然听说了或者背了这一句？
证据2：韩寒引用“西游记”了，但是韩寒说他不爱看名著。
破桥：这算什么证据，你懂逻辑吗？难到不可能韩寒偶然听说了或者背了这一句？
证据3：韩寒引用“三国演义”了，但是韩寒说他不爱看名著。
破桥：这算什么证据，你懂逻辑吗？难到不可能韩寒偶然听说了或者背了这一句？
......
..
..
..
..
......
证据10001：韩寒引用“名著10001”了，但是韩寒说他不爱看名著。
破桥：这算什么证据，你懂逻辑吗？难到不可能韩寒偶然听说了或者背了这一句？
证据10002：韩寒引用"名著10002”了，但是韩寒说他不爱看名著。
破桥：这算什么证据，你懂逻辑吗？难到不可能韩寒偶然听说了或者背了这一句？
证据10003：韩寒引用“名著10003”了，但是韩寒说他不爱看名著。
破桥：这算什么证据，你懂逻辑吗？难到不可能韩寒偶然听说了或者背了这一句？
纵使你有一万条证据，如果只要逐条反驳那就易如反掌，因为根本只需要反问一句
“这怎么就不可能呢“就算大功告成。比如上面这个例子，单独分析的话，同一句话
可以解释10000个质疑，但是只有白痴和文科生才会相信韩寒可以引用10000部名
著却从来不喜欢看书。破桥文章又臭又长，全部都是一个套路，归根结底就是一句
话，不懂得什么叫证据链和概率，完全是在贩卖虚假逻辑。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

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ooh, let me write something about this later bah :-))
(if i have the mood )
i have a 'big brother' who is still in china, he is really a
humourous and intelligent and prudent guy :-)
hope he will '88' in his own business ^o^

n*02099-08-20 07:08

3 楼

嗯，要不世界上有宗教呢。
耶稣复活的“证据”有十亿人在信。

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 还号称自己懂逻辑，太可笑。韩粉和一些中国”文化人“现在最擅长的就是把一万个证
: 据拆开来，然后逐条给你分析，说那不是铁证。其中不少伪装成所谓的“理性”分析的
: “逻辑派”，其实根本就是文科生在侮辱“逻辑”这两个字，不过世上庸人很多，所以
: 这种贩卖假“逻辑”的手法确实能迷惑不少人。
: 按照这个逻辑没有一个罪犯可以被定罪，因为如果逐条分析而不是相互应证的话，没有
: 一条证据可以成为100％毫无漏洞的铁证，即使无数条证据组合起来相互应证了，也不
: 能说就绝对100％不可能弄错，这个世界上没有绝对不可能的事情，正常人对事物做出
: 判断，只能是在参考了各种事实之间相互应证的关系后做出的概率性的判断，否则就叫
: 做信仰。
: 就以破桥举的一个例子来说，假设有：

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

4 楼

yep :-))
xixi, and his newlywed wife is really beautiful when he emailed the
photos of his new family :-)
really happy that he is going to be successfull at so young :-)
(he is only 27 yah :-)
also, my dad is really cute ^o^
he is a really well-read person, filled with many books and
philosophies in his head, think i am largely influenced by him ^o^

h*y2099-08-20 07:08

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哈哈，教徒又来塞下限了，破桥的文章你看了没啊，看了没看懂的话就问啊，你说的这
个恰恰是破桥在反驳的好不？
我发现很多教徒喜欢在别人教他1+1=2之后还问1+1=？

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 还号称自己懂逻辑，太可笑。韩粉和一些中国”文化人“现在最擅长的就是把一万个证
: 据拆开来，然后逐条给你分析，说那不是铁证。其中不少伪装成所谓的“理性”分析的
: “逻辑派”，其实根本就是文科生在侮辱“逻辑”这两个字，不过世上庸人很多，所以
: 这种贩卖假“逻辑”的手法确实能迷惑不少人。
: 按照这个逻辑没有一个罪犯可以被定罪，因为如果逐条分析而不是相互应证的话，没有
: 一条证据可以成为100％毫无漏洞的铁证，即使无数条证据组合起来相互应证了，也不
: 能说就绝对100％不可能弄错，这个世界上没有绝对不可能的事情，正常人对事物做出
: 判断，只能是在参考了各种事实之间相互应证的关系后做出的概率性的判断，否则就叫
: 做信仰。
: 就以破桥举的一个例子来说，假设有：

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

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also, my mom is a very, very nice person, always kind and generous
to most people and she likes much in the ideas of Buddahism.
She has professional techniques of chinese cooking, not only SiChuan
cooking or spicy cookings. But, when i was home, i never gave chance
to learn bit of them. Thats why i had to take so many pains to learn
by myself when i first come to usa. gladly, she always provides me
the crucial tricks of cooking :-))
//Hmmm, miss them leh :-(((

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

:
: yep :-))
: xixi, and his newlywed wife is really beautiful when he emailed the
: photos of his new family :-)
: really happy that he is going to be successfull at so young :-)
: (he is only 27 yah :-)
: also, my dad is really cute ^o^
: he is a really well-read person, filled with many books and
: philosophies in his head, think i am largely influenced by him ^o^

n*02099-08-20 07:08

7 楼

韩寒这个事情，应当象OJ案子一样，刑事庭和民事庭两种不同严格程度的证据强度要求。
按刑事庭标准，韩寒代笔无法定论。缺少physical证据。不是铁案。而且对于文学作品
，因为创作的性质，这个beyond reasonable doubt, 到底怎样算reseaonable, 有争议。
按民事庭标准，很多人觉得可以给他定罪了。

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 还号称自己懂逻辑，太可笑。韩粉和一些中国”文化人“现在最擅长的就是把一万个证
: 据拆开来，然后逐条给你分析，说那不是铁证。其中不少伪装成所谓的“理性”分析的
: “逻辑派”，其实根本就是文科生在侮辱“逻辑”这两个字，不过世上庸人很多，所以
: 这种贩卖假“逻辑”的手法确实能迷惑不少人。
: 按照这个逻辑没有一个罪犯可以被定罪，因为如果逐条分析而不是相互应证的话，没有
: 一条证据可以成为100％毫无漏洞的铁证，即使无数条证据组合起来相互应证了，也不
: 能说就绝对100％不可能弄错，这个世界上没有绝对不可能的事情，正常人对事物做出
: 判断，只能是在参考了各种事实之间相互应证的关系后做出的概率性的判断，否则就叫
: 做信仰。
: 就以破桥举的一个例子来说，假设有：

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

8 楼

And, my grandpa was a professor in ChengDu,
i always received the greatest attentions and cares from him :-))
when i was very young, he also told me many stuff about the history
and ancient literatures of china.
but, i seldom payed much attention to this and forget most of them
now :-(
he is still cool and keeps reading and excercising ,
whenever i call him once couple months
-- //big family lah :-)

G*s2099-08-20 07:08

9 楼

跟韩粉解释，就是对着茅坑唱歌
你唱歌还要闻臭气

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 还号称自己懂逻辑，太可笑。韩粉和一些中国”文化人“现在最擅长的就是把一万个证
: 据拆开来，然后逐条给你分析，说那不是铁证。其中不少伪装成所谓的“理性”分析的
: “逻辑派”，其实根本就是文科生在侮辱“逻辑”这两个字，不过世上庸人很多，所以
: 这种贩卖假“逻辑”的手法确实能迷惑不少人。
: 按照这个逻辑没有一个罪犯可以被定罪，因为如果逐条分析而不是相互应证的话，没有
: 一条证据可以成为100％毫无漏洞的铁证，即使无数条证据组合起来相互应证了，也不
: 能说就绝对100％不可能弄错，这个世界上没有绝对不可能的事情，正常人对事物做出
: 判断，只能是在参考了各种事实之间相互应证的关系后做出的概率性的判断，否则就叫
: 做信仰。
: 就以破桥举的一个例子来说，假设有：

n*n2099-08-20 07:08

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I admire my father very much. He is a good husband and a terrific
father. Being very much a family man, he cares not only our small
family, but also the extended family, including my aunts, uncles
and their children. I never met my paternal grandmother, who suffered
from Parkinson's disease, and passed away even before I was born.
I learn who she is from my father. He always tells me stories of
last generation. He wants me to have a sense of ROOT. I am really
grateful to him. I know what

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

: And, my grandpa was a professor in ChengDu,
: i always received the greatest attentions and cares from him :-))
: when i was very young, he also told me many stuff about the history
: and ancient literatures of china.
: but, i seldom payed much attention to this and forget most of them
: now :-(
: he is still cool and keeps reading and excercising ,
: whenever i call him once couple months
: -- //big family lah :-)

h*y2099-08-20 07:08

11 楼

不，应该按谁设的公堂，在正常法庭里，屁证据都没有，在方邪教私设的公堂上，那可
是罄竹难书啊。

求。
议。

【在 n*********0 的大作中提到】

: 韩寒这个事情，应当象OJ案子一样，刑事庭和民事庭两种不同严格程度的证据强度要求。
: 按刑事庭标准，韩寒代笔无法定论。缺少physical证据。不是铁案。而且对于文学作品
: ，因为创作的性质，这个beyond reasonable doubt, 到底怎样算reseaonable, 有争议。
: 按民事庭标准，很多人觉得可以给他定罪了。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

12 楼

I also have five aunts and two uncles.
with many, many cousins :-)
but, regretfully is that, the bondings between this big family tree
is actually becoming weaker and weaker.
many of the cousins i've never seen and never know :-(
i only know several of them of my own age or similar age :-)
---//to be continued ?

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

: And, my grandpa was a professor in ChengDu,
: i always received the greatest attentions and cares from him :-))
: when i was very young, he also told me many stuff about the history
: and ancient literatures of china.
: but, i seldom payed much attention to this and forget most of them
: now :-(
: he is still cool and keeps reading and excercising ,
: whenever i call him once couple months
: -- //big family lah :-)

y*o2099-08-20 07:08

13 楼

这个引用名著的质疑最搞笑了？我也不爱看，可我也能随口说出几句里面的桥段名句什
么的。没看过书，还不能看电视，看别人写的书评吗？这样的例子别说你举1000个又能
说明什么，hh老爹就能看完这1000本吗？

n*n2099-08-20 07:08

14 楼

What can I say about my mom except I love her very very much? :-)
My mom is a lousy cook. But she is very good at house keeping.
I guess my obsession with cleanness comes from her, in addition of
being a Virgo. :) And also the singing gene can be traced back
to my mom. She loves singing. And she has a great voice.
What is the greatest about her is her passion for life. Now she
retired. She has signed up for English class in Zhong Shan University.
And she will also go to Xing Hai Conserva

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

:
: I also have five aunts and two uncles.
: with many, many cousins :-)
: but, regretfully is that, the bondings between this big family tree
: is actually becoming weaker and weaker.
: many of the cousins i've never seen and never know :-(
: i only know several of them of my own age or similar age :-)
: ---//to be continued ?

n*02099-08-20 07:08

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比如受害者身体里有KOBE精液。
可以辩解，consent sex. 甚至，KOBE说他自己兴致所至撸了一把，原告想讹诈的，把
semen放到自己身上。
反正，如果没有目击者，总有alternative解释。
即使有目击者，从窗外看到了KOBE动粗，可以辩解，角色扮演，we like it rough.
Point is, 破桥的长文其实没有解决问题，因为，世界上，少有绝对的事情。铁一样的
冰冷逻辑，很多时候是无法运用的。
完全看旁观者如何采信了。
所以，人类社会需要法律，法庭作为最终的权威裁决。否则，没有争论会停止的。
肯尼迪遇刺，永远有阴谋论。
韩寒最好的辩解就是今后表现实力。

【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈，教徒又来塞下限了，破桥的文章你看了没啊，看了没看懂的话就问啊，你说的这
: 个恰恰是破桥在反驳的好不？
: 我发现很多教徒喜欢在别人教他1+1=2之后还问1+1=？

n*n2099-08-20 07:08

16 楼

In my rebelious years, namely, high school, I used to fight
a lot with my mother. She lost her temper easily, while
I was very temperamental too. I guess my father did ok to
maintain the balance. He is a peacekeeper. :)
But then as I left home to go to college, everything became
smooth, though sometimes we still fought over trivial stuff
during my summer or winter break. :-)
And now, she is friend of mine. This really feels great. I
can pretty much talk everything with her. I guess if I

【在 n****n 的大作中提到】

: What can I say about my mom except I love her very very much? :-)
: My mom is a lousy cook. But she is very good at house keeping.
: I guess my obsession with cleanness comes from her, in addition of
: being a Virgo. :) And also the singing gene can be traced back
: to my mom. She loves singing. And she has a great voice.
: What is the greatest about her is her passion for life. Now she
: retired. She has signed up for English class in Zhong Shan University.
: And she will also go to Xing Hai Conserva

n*02099-08-20 07:08

17 楼

呵呵，OJ杀人了么？
没有能定他罪的证据，他就是innocent的？
法庭，因为出于对人权的尊重，对控方和辩方的burden of proof是不一样的。对控方
要严格的多。
只要辩方不停甩出alternative解释，只要法庭认为不够beyond reasonable doubt, 不
会轻易定罪。怕冤枉好人。
这里对HH争论，分歧也有一部分在这里，很多人，怕冤枉一个人。对证据要求更严格。
一些人，认为已经早超出了reasonable doubt, 即使是外围证据。

【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】

: 不，应该按谁设的公堂，在正常法庭里，屁证据都没有，在方邪教私设的公堂上，那可
: 是罄竹难书啊。
:
: 求。
: 议。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

18 楼

my youngest auntie once told me that,
in this 'overpacked' big family tree, it is unavoidable that
the bondings become looser and looser. With the coming age of
90s, the family ties between the units are more like 'doing-
business' and 'social-charity' than actually expected 'emotional'
or 'paternal'/'maternal' roles between cousins and aunts/uncles.
with more and more drifted connections and growing
unfamiliarities, each family begins to function like another
'single unit' in this society.
But

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

:
: I also have five aunts and two uncles.
: with many, many cousins :-)
: but, regretfully is that, the bondings between this big family tree
: is actually becoming weaker and weaker.
: many of the cousins i've never seen and never know :-(
: i only know several of them of my own age or similar age :-)
: ---//to be continued ?

h*y2099-08-20 07:08

19 楼

晕死，法庭最后不定罪是因为控方取证上有重大失误，因此遵循程序正义（当然我认为
也算是钻空子）。
方教主他们那些所谓证据，有哪个哪怕可以称的上是取证的？都是些狗屁不通的猜测。
韩寒哪怕通篇谎言前后表现再不一致，也没有哪个证据直接指向代笔。

【在 n*********0 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵，OJ杀人了么？
: 没有能定他罪的证据，他就是innocent的？
: 法庭，因为出于对人权的尊重，对控方和辩方的burden of proof是不一样的。对控方
: 要严格的多。
: 只要辩方不停甩出alternative解释，只要法庭认为不够beyond reasonable doubt, 不
: 会轻易定罪。怕冤枉好人。
: 这里对HH争论，分歧也有一部分在这里，很多人，怕冤枉一个人。对证据要求更严格。
: 一些人，认为已经早超出了reasonable doubt, 即使是外围证据。

n*n2099-08-20 07:08

20 楼

I guess the traditional Chinese family will become more like families
in Western countries, especially America. With the imposing of
one-child policy, it is very possible that the family structure will
be more and more like the nuclear family in America, with a minor
difference, which is instead of being able to have many children, there
is only one in Chinese nuclear family. The concept of extended
family will wane sooner or later.

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

:
: my youngest auntie once told me that,
: in this 'overpacked' big family tree, it is unavoidable that
: the bondings become looser and looser. With the coming age of
: 90s, the family ties between the units are more like 'doing-
: business' and 'social-charity' than actually expected 'emotional'
: or 'paternal'/'maternal' roles between cousins and aunts/uncles.
: with more and more drifted connections and growing
: unfamiliarities, each family begins to function like another
: 'single unit' in this society.

n*02099-08-20 07:08

21 楼

不过，有一点，可以引用韩寒引用过的东西。
Corpus delicti. 这件事情，方对韩寒的攻击，只能是质疑。因为没有corpus delicti
.
相反，韩寒对方的攻击，可以诉讼，因为可以声称受到精神，经济伤害，有corpus
delicti.
这回，韩寒对这个拉丁应该彻底明白了。而不是轻薄的联系到肉体，情欲上去。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

22 楼

yeah, i love my mom and my dad indeed, indeed :-)
also my caring big brother :-)
Hmm, my mom and dad are both experts in house keeping :-)
my dad are even more artful to decorate with some paintings and
artcrafts, while my mom with some flowers and green plants. :-)
Ooh, this is really great :-)
//envy 1 xia :-))
my mom is not very good at singing, and my dad is only a little bit
better :-)
'Passion for life' is the the greatest thing i learned from them,
but i still cannot put it into ac

【在 n****n 的大作中提到】

: What can I say about my mom except I love her very very much? :-)
: My mom is a lousy cook. But she is very good at house keeping.
: I guess my obsession with cleanness comes from her, in addition of
: being a Virgo. :) And also the singing gene can be traced back
: to my mom. She loves singing. And she has a great voice.
: What is the greatest about her is her passion for life. Now she
: retired. She has signed up for English class in Zhong Shan University.
: And she will also go to Xing Hai Conserva

l*b2099-08-20 07:08

23 楼

其实 OJ 最后自己说自己杀人了，美国人对法律的信仰遭受了一次严重的挑战。哈哈哈

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

24 楼

yeah, during the teenage turmoils, many things influenced us,
and it was really easy to irrate us :-)
My dad was really great to deal with me peacefully and 'professionally'
and my brother was sometimes less friendly toward me at those times :-)
but, anyway, brother always protected me from many harms and hurts.
Since i moved out of my family to study at my very young age
(around 12), that period of troubles and fluctuations of family
ties didn't last long :-)
when i once stuied outside and

【在 n****n 的大作中提到】

: In my rebelious years, namely, high school, I used to fight
: a lot with my mother. She lost her temper easily, while
: I was very temperamental too. I guess my father did ok to
: maintain the balance. He is a peacekeeper. :)
: But then as I left home to go to college, everything became
: smooth, though sometimes we still fought over trivial stuff
: during my summer or winter break. :-)
: And now, she is friend of mine. This really feels great. I
: can pretty much talk everything with her. I guess if I

f*t2099-08-20 07:08

25 楼

to be or not to be, it is a question.
是不是知道这句话的人都必须是看完过莎士比亚的？或者至少看过莎士比亚书的人？
可惜的是，我连莎士比亚写过些什么书，书名我都不知道。我身边不少这样的人哦，但
是人人知道这句话。
因为台湾偶像剧《终极一班》里说了很多，还有很多别的用语哦。
比如“谁能阻止少年武士的赴死呢，他们听不到啊，他们听不到啊。”宫本武藏是谁啊
，男的女的，现代人还是古代人，也不知道啊。
但是看完电视，好歹这两句话是很熟悉了。也知道谁写的啦。
里面还有大量的名家句子，喜欢的同学就看这一部电视下来，学着说所有的名句，就能
囊括《圣经》，莎士比亚，宫本武藏，还有很多其他人的（我不感兴趣就记不住啦）。
是不是拿去写作文就被怀疑横贯中西，一定是有代笔啦。
提一句，这样的电视剧很多而且很受欢迎，好看得不得了，我都看好几遍了。

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 还号称自己懂逻辑，太可笑。韩粉和一些中国”文化人“现在最擅长的就是把一万个证
: 据拆开来，然后逐条给你分析，说那不是铁证。其中不少伪装成所谓的“理性”分析的
: “逻辑派”，其实根本就是文科生在侮辱“逻辑”这两个字，不过世上庸人很多，所以
: 这种贩卖假“逻辑”的手法确实能迷惑不少人。
: 按照这个逻辑没有一个罪犯可以被定罪，因为如果逐条分析而不是相互应证的话，没有
: 一条证据可以成为100％毫无漏洞的铁证，即使无数条证据组合起来相互应证了，也不
: 能说就绝对100％不可能弄错，这个世界上没有绝对不可能的事情，正常人对事物做出
: 判断，只能是在参考了各种事实之间相互应证的关系后做出的概率性的判断，否则就叫
: 做信仰。
: 就以破桥举的一个例子来说，假设有：

n*n2099-08-20 07:08

26 楼

haha...I was a stubborn kid too. My father said it's because my
steel-like hair. :-) And I was tomboy. I always made troubles,
hurt myself while playing with other kids. How lucky that you have a
big brother to protect you. I was toughened up by those accidents
by myself.

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

: yeah, during the teenage turmoils, many things influenced us,
: and it was really easy to irrate us :-)
: My dad was really great to deal with me peacefully and 'professionally'
: and my brother was sometimes less friendly toward me at those times :-)
: but, anyway, brother always protected me from many harms and hurts.
: Since i moved out of my family to study at my very young age
: (around 12), that period of troubles and fluctuations of family
: ties didn't last long :-)
: when i once stuied outside and

w*u2099-08-20 07:08

27 楼

是that is the question。

【在 f******t 的大作中提到】

: to be or not to be, it is a question.
: 是不是知道这句话的人都必须是看完过莎士比亚的？或者至少看过莎士比亚书的人？
: 可惜的是，我连莎士比亚写过些什么书，书名我都不知道。我身边不少这样的人哦，但
: 是人人知道这句话。
: 因为台湾偶像剧《终极一班》里说了很多，还有很多别的用语哦。
: 比如“谁能阻止少年武士的赴死呢，他们听不到啊，他们听不到啊。”宫本武藏是谁啊
: ，男的女的，现代人还是古代人，也不知道啊。
: 但是看完电视，好歹这两句话是很熟悉了。也知道谁写的啦。
: 里面还有大量的名家句子，喜欢的同学就看这一部电视下来，学着说所有的名句，就能
: 囊括《圣经》，莎士比亚，宫本武藏，还有很多其他人的（我不感兴趣就记不住啦）。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

28 楼

this is only partly true :-))
i always fought for my own ideas and styles that i believed correct and
appropriate.
but, later on, i gradually understood their considerations and
limitations {{ ?? i don't like this word for my parents }}
and, luckily, though many times they didn't agree with me, they
still respected my own decisions and choices. maybe partly because both
my parents are well-read, well-educated persons :-)
furthermore, they often told me the pros and cons of my own decisions
and

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

: yeah, during the teenage turmoils, many things influenced us,
: and it was really easy to irrate us :-)
: My dad was really great to deal with me peacefully and 'professionally'
: and my brother was sometimes less friendly toward me at those times :-)
: but, anyway, brother always protected me from many harms and hurts.
: Since i moved out of my family to study at my very young age
: (around 12), that period of troubles and fluctuations of family
: ties didn't last long :-)
: when i once stuied outside and

b*y2099-08-20 07:08

29 楼

你要能引用10000个光是看书评也要看无数了，早一超越韩寒的阅读范围，更不用提什
么原著。

【在 y****o 的大作中提到】

: 这个引用名著的质疑最搞笑了？我也不爱看，可我也能随口说出几句里面的桥段名句什
: 么的。没看过书，还不能看电视，看别人写的书评吗？这样的例子别说你举1000个又能
: 说明什么，hh老爹就能看完这1000本吗？

n*n2099-08-20 07:08

30 楼

Sometimes I have two monstrous little voices in my head, fighting with
each other, which is really a pain in the neck. I am very much
self-contradictory and self-inflicted. :-)
After a business trip, my father was shocked to find out there was no
college around Guangzhou area in my already filled-in university list.
He wanted me to go to his alma mater - Zhong Shan University, coz it is
close to home. But I made my mind to go to Beijing. They respected
my decision, as well as they do to my

【在 s********k 的大作中提到】

:
: this is only partly true :-))
: i always fought for my own ideas and styles that i believed correct and
: appropriate.
: but, later on, i gradually understood their considerations and
: limitations {{ ?? i don't like this word for my parents }}
: and, luckily, though many times they didn't agree with me, they
: still respected my own decisions and choices. maybe partly because both
: my parents are well-read, well-educated persons :-)
: furthermore, they often told me the pros and cons of my own decisions

b*z2099-08-20 07:08

31 楼

那些人的智商如果连这点道理都能理解的话
还会吵起来？

句什
又能

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 你要能引用10000个光是看书评也要看无数了，早一超越韩寒的阅读范围，更不用提什
: 么原著。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

32 楼

So it is much understandable that the later developed personalities
impute largely to the unique experiences of early age.
//you are now so successful maybe partly comes from the root of your
early experiences in life, which you learned very early how to cope
with all the adversities and troubles. :-)
//anyway, i learned those either when i once moved around to
study independently. :-) when i was still young yah :-))))

【在 n****n 的大作中提到】

:
: Sometimes I have two monstrous little voices in my head, fighting with
: each other, which is really a pain in the neck. I am very much
: self-contradictory and self-inflicted. :-)
: After a business trip, my father was shocked to find out there was no
: college around Guangzhou area in my already filled-in university list.
: He wanted me to go to his alma mater - Zhong Shan University, coz it is
: close to home. But I made my mind to go to Beijing. They respected
: my decision, as well as they do to my

y*o2099-08-20 07:08

33 楼

一个不听课门门不及格的中学生的确是有条件看一堆杂书的。我去年回国翻出了中学时
的借书单，呵呵，真让现在的我汗颜啊。估计那时候我能说出的调调肯定比现在多，可
以骗骗无知男青年

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 你要能引用10000个光是看书评也要看无数了，早一超越韩寒的阅读范围，更不用提什
: 么原著。

s*k2099-08-20 07:08

34 楼

haha, me 2 me 2 :-))
Do you know in ancient astrologies, there are
actually 5 'selves' in each person --- the ego, the spirit, the soul,
the desire, the angel, the devil (sorry, i don't remember them now :-((
xixi, my father always claims that my family is a 'chinese traditionalized
democratic family' :-))
anyway, trust and understanding is the most basic and crucial point of
a harmonic and joyful family constructures. ^o^

【在 n****n 的大作中提到】

:
: Sometimes I have two monstrous little voices in my head, fighting with
: each other, which is really a pain in the neck. I am very much
: self-contradictory and self-inflicted. :-)
: After a business trip, my father was shocked to find out there was no
: college around Guangzhou area in my already filled-in university list.
: He wanted me to go to his alma mater - Zhong Shan University, coz it is
: close to home. But I made my mind to go to Beijing. They respected
: my decision, as well as they do to my

b*y2099-08-20 07:08

35 楼

事实却是韩寒不上课的时间都去泡妞踢球了，可怜你这个中学看了这么多书的人会相信
一个小混混也和你一样有时间看书。

【在 y****o 的大作中提到】

: 一个不听课门门不及格的中学生的确是有条件看一堆杂书的。我去年回国翻出了中学时
: 的借书单，呵呵，真让现在的我汗颜啊。估计那时候我能说出的调调肯定比现在多，可
: 以骗骗无知男青年

y*o2099-08-20 07:08

36 楼

你没看hh同学写的文章吗？松江二中有段时间似乎还给他分出一件单独的宿舍，免得他
看书写东西影响别人。hh肯定比我有时间，我还要学数理化呢，hh不用。当然了，管锥
他是肯定看不动的，装b拿来翻翻罢了。我中学书单里面也是一堆我现在都不懂的东西。
hh某此回答记者提问的时候说了一句踢球，就好像好学生爱说我也没有很用功。偏偏这
句话被舟子提出来了。

【在 b***y 的大作中提到】

: 事实却是韩寒不上课的时间都去泡妞踢球了，可怜你这个中学看了这么多书的人会相信
: 一个小混混也和你一样有时间看书。

b*y2099-08-20 07:08

37 楼

好吧。你可以继续信。呵呵。

西。

【在 y****o 的大作中提到】

: 你没看hh同学写的文章吗？松江二中有段时间似乎还给他分出一件单独的宿舍，免得他
: 看书写东西影响别人。hh肯定比我有时间，我还要学数理化呢，hh不用。当然了，管锥
: 他是肯定看不动的，装b拿来翻翻罢了。我中学书单里面也是一堆我现在都不懂的东西。
: hh某此回答记者提问的时候说了一句踢球，就好像好学生爱说我也没有很用功。偏偏这
: 句话被舟子提出来了。

i*g2099-08-20 07:08

38 楼

他的又长又臭的论调就是
证据1：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
证据2：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
证据3：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
。。。。。。。。。。。。。
。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
证据1000：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
这个叫个p逻辑啊，以为玩弄3段轮就是逻辑了
人们只是从生活常识出发。认为同时（！）具备证据1,2,3，，，，，，1000的可能性
非常非常之小，韩寒有罪的概率非常非常之高
另外，想说，如何韩寒小说引用的都是偏冷典故，那就必须以大量阅读获取
如果仅仅是烂大街的典故，确实没有什么多高的门槛
问题是：那些典故究竟是冷还是热？我没读过他小说，读过的人说说？

s*h2099-08-20 07:08

39 楼

我成为韩黑最直接的原因是羡慕嫉妒恨。
高中大学期间，我算是读了不少屠格列夫的作品。俄国作家里仅次于大托尔斯泰。
从来不看外国文学的韩寒，居然对屠一些作品里面人物事件各种关系比我熟得多。有些
我没看过的，他也能信手捻来。
如此天才，不黑他黑谁？

b*y2099-08-20 07:08

40 楼

不错。你这个解释更恰当。

【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】

: 他的又长又臭的论调就是
: 证据1：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
: 证据2：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
: 证据3：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
: 。。。。。。。。。。。。。
: 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
: 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
: 证据1000：可能性只有30-80%，所以不成立，所以韩寒无罪
: 这个叫个p逻辑啊，以为玩弄3段轮就是逻辑了
: 人们只是从生活常识出发。认为同时（！）具备证据1,2,3，，，，，，1000的可能性

d*02099-08-20 07:08

41 楼

辩解是没用的，这叫乱拳打死老师傅。。他有逻辑的也说，没逻辑的也说，洋洋洒洒一
大篇。中间派看了，就会觉得，嗯，有道理，以前被肘子忽悠了。
肘子自己用的是同样的方法。他一天一篇博客，一天一个铁证。有道理的也拿出来，明
显没道理的也拿出来。最后大家就相信了。
你能反驳一个，人家又拿出十个。

G*s2099-08-20 07:08

42 楼

我也从老爸的书柜里看过一些，现在都不记得看过什么了
羡慕嫉妒恨哪

【在 s****h 的大作中提到】

: 我成为韩黑最直接的原因是羡慕嫉妒恨。
: 高中大学期间，我算是读了不少屠格列夫的作品。俄国作家里仅次于大托尔斯泰。
: 从来不看外国文学的韩寒，居然对屠一些作品里面人物事件各种关系比我熟得多。有些
: 我没看过的，他也能信手捻来。
: 如此天才，不黑他黑谁？

h*k2099-08-20 07:08

43 楼

这个例子不合适。你举的这个短语已经变成一句成语了，被很多其他作品大量引用，你
当然可能不看莎士比亚也知道。hh的绝大多数引用可没有这么大知名度。

【在 f******t 的大作中提到】

: to be or not to be, it is a question.
: 是不是知道这句话的人都必须是看完过莎士比亚的？或者至少看过莎士比亚书的人？
: 可惜的是，我连莎士比亚写过些什么书，书名我都不知道。我身边不少这样的人哦，但
: 是人人知道这句话。
: 因为台湾偶像剧《终极一班》里说了很多，还有很多别的用语哦。
: 比如“谁能阻止少年武士的赴死呢，他们听不到啊，他们听不到啊。”宫本武藏是谁啊
: ，男的女的，现代人还是古代人，也不知道啊。
: 但是看完电视，好歹这两句话是很熟悉了。也知道谁写的啦。
: 里面还有大量的名家句子，喜欢的同学就看这一部电视下来，学着说所有的名句，就能
: 囊括《圣经》，莎士比亚，宫本武藏，还有很多其他人的（我不感兴趣就记不住啦）。