w*y
2 楼
现在好像有些学校开始实行这种没有TENURE的职位？感觉很没有保障啊。
c*o
3 楼
我去过开会，据他们自己介绍经验，就是每3年评估一次如果合格签一个为期三年的合
同，如果不合格再给一年的时间，然后再评估，如果合格的话，就签三年的合同，如果
不合格，给一年时间找工作。反正就是三年一个循环。
同，如果不合格再给一年的时间，然后再评估，如果合格的话，就签三年的合同，如果
不合格，给一年时间找工作。反正就是三年一个循环。
n*l
4 楼
他们的工资是不是比其他学校高很多？否则教授们为何不跳槽？当然，要是能跳的话。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 我去过开会，据他们自己介绍经验，就是每3年评估一次如果合格签一个为期三年的合
: 同，如果不合格再给一年的时间，然后再评估，如果合格的话，就签三年的合同，如果
: 不合格，给一年时间找工作。反正就是三年一个循环。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 我去过开会，据他们自己介绍经验，就是每3年评估一次如果合格签一个为期三年的合
: 同，如果不合格再给一年的时间，然后再评估，如果合格的话，就签三年的合同，如果
: 不合格，给一年时间找工作。反正就是三年一个循环。
s*y
5 楼
教学型大学，可能比较容易进去吧？
【在 n*******l 的大作中提到】
: 他们的工资是不是比其他学校高很多？否则教授们为何不跳槽？当然，要是能跳的话。
【在 n*******l 的大作中提到】
: 他们的工资是不是比其他学校高很多？否则教授们为何不跳槽？当然，要是能跳的话。
w*g
6 楼
是不是进去就出不来了？
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 教学型大学，可能比较容易进去吧？
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 教学型大学，可能比较容易进去吧？
m*n
7 楼
lol
That is a great question
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: florida gulf coast university. 有人了解吗? 为什么为有人去那儿工作呢?
That is a great question
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: florida gulf coast university. 有人了解吗? 为什么为有人去那儿工作呢?
X*A
8 楼
几年前，有外系同事在我们这儿tenure没过去这个学校。这个同事人很好但research有
点跟不上。
点跟不上。
H*y
9 楼
我们这儿2012年据说闹过tenure再tenure之说。就是tenure了以后还要每六年评审续约
一次
。全民激愤，最后好像有个挺重要的人物，牧师还是主教的，下台了。
一次
。全民激愤，最后好像有个挺重要的人物，牧师还是主教的，下台了。
z*t
10 楼
很多公立学校要每六年evaluate一次
只是比较宽松而已
州政府的规矩
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 我们这儿2012年据说闹过tenure再tenure之说。就是tenure了以后还要每六年评审续约
: 一次
: 。全民激愤，最后好像有个挺重要的人物，牧师还是主教的，下台了。
只是比较宽松而已
州政府的规矩
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 我们这儿2012年据说闹过tenure再tenure之说。就是tenure了以后还要每六年评审续约
: 一次
: 。全民激愤，最后好像有个挺重要的人物，牧师还是主教的，下台了。
n*n
11 楼
哈哈，这就像是说“怎么还会有人挨饿呢？他们怎么不吃肉糜呢？”美国没有tenure
的学校比有tenure的学校多太多太多了。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: florida gulf coast university. 有人了解吗? 为什么为有人去那儿工作呢?
的学校比有tenure的学校多太多太多了。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: florida gulf coast university. 有人了解吗? 为什么为有人去那儿工作呢?
z*6
12 楼
您的眼光太浅了。 这样的大学有很多。
w*y
13 楼
没有tenure track的话，怎么来确保自己工作稳定下来呢？2、3年一签，不是相当于
lecturer或者博士后吗？
lecturer或者博士后吗？
H*y
14 楼
出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
professors.
在这种逻辑下，能否说凡是research为主的学校就一定要有tenure制度才合理呢？
Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
professors.
在这种逻辑下，能否说凡是research为主的学校就一定要有tenure制度才合理呢？
u*t
15 楼
没有恬妞制度，就只能富家子弟搞学术了。穷娃娃搞学术风险很大，一是能不能搞出来
，二是搞出来了之后会不会被学霸压制，运气稍微差点估计就只能自己撸一辈子。老张
这样的算是修正正果，运气极好的了。
community
more
their
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
: Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
: freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
: prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
: time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
: as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
: academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
: likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
: investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
: honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
，二是搞出来了之后会不会被学霸压制，运气稍微差点估计就只能自己撸一辈子。老张
这样的算是修正正果，运气极好的了。
community
more
their
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
: Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
: freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
: prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
: time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
: as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
: academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
: likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
: investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
: honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
a*e
16 楼
很多东西主观愿望跟现实是大相径庭的。谈牛也一样。现实中能有多少人真是为了科学
在做研究呢？所以，当谈牛变成稳定饭碗时，研究也就那样了，呵呵
community
more
their
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
: Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
: freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
: prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
: time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
: as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
: academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
: likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
: investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
: honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
在做研究呢？所以，当谈牛变成稳定饭碗时，研究也就那样了，呵呵
community
more
their
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
: Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
: freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
: prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
: time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
: as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
: academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
: likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
: investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
: honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
e*s
17 楼
Tenure产生有个很著名的故事，就是始于斯坦福老太太在校内专横，干预学术自由，乱
开人。
community
more
their
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
: Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
: freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
: prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
: time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
: as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
: academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
: likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
: investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
: honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
开人。
community
more
their
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 出于好奇去查了下，原来tenure最主要的目的不是job稳定。
: Academic tenure's original purpose was to guarantee the right to academic
: freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from
: prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend
: time on unfashionable topics. Without job security, the scholarly community
: as a whole may experience pressure to favor noncontroversial lines of
: academic inquiry. The intent of tenure is to allow original ideas to be more
: likely to arise, by giving scholars the intellectual autonomy to
: investigate the problems and solutions as they see fit, and to report their
: honest conclusions. However, it has also become a type of job security for
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