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m*n2010-02-10 08:02

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yiyuxi (yiyi) 于 (Sat Mar 14 15:48:02 2009) 提到:
就在当地。人事处的女士发了email，说他们的一个头刚好旅游到这个城市，有兴趣和
我会谈一下。地点是他下榻的旅馆，时间是7点还是8点，面谈1个小时。
我琢磨着旅馆，在饭厅还是有专门的会议厅？
我说能不能正式点，去公司面试。
于是改成中午去公司面试。只见一个人，就是面谈1个小时，说的是非正式的面试。
是个老头，60多岁，很精明的样子。
后来料到工资问题。他叫我开价。我不开，说只要在合适范围就可以了。他就和较上劲
了，非要我说。和他来来回回打了几个太极，我开了价。他又问我现在工资多少。我不
说。他说我认识你老板的，我可以打他电话问工资。我当时心里就很不愉快。到头来还
是没说我现在的工资。后来叫我回去填表，再电邮给他们。其中一栏就要说现在的工资
。我就特意注明一句，因为这个面试还不正式，我也不知道公司情况，希望在正式后的
面试再告诉我工资。发出这个表格后，大家就互不干扰了。
你们认为有这么向面试者问工资的么？“

m*p2010-02-10 08:02

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第一次给父母申请B2签证，请教相片问题。
他们申请护照时，没向相馆要电子版，但我有他们的护照扫描件，我可不可以SNAPSHOT
（PS）他们的护照里的相片用于DS160 网上申请（分辨率估计不高），然后面试的时
候再带他们的相片原件。

j*72010-02-10 08:02

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应该问题不大吧？

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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投了一个猎头公司代理的职位，猎头问我现在工资，我按照网上找来的答案回答“due
to current company policy, I cannot disclose my current salary, but I would
love to discuss the salary your client can offer when both sides think there
is a good fit. ”心想这下可以把他打法了，没想到他回信“ as far as salary
goes...There is nothing that a company can legally bind you to so that you
don't disclose how much you make. Co. proprietary information is different.
Your salary is your salary. I need this information to present to my
client....What you make and what you would like to make are two different
things. Your company would also like its employees not to explore job
possibilities, but they can't prevent you from doing so. Ultimately you
must do what is best for you.”
那个职位要求5-10年经验，工资范围也写了，比我现在的工资高了50%，因为我现在的
工资是under pay的，我不想把现在工资告诉他。我就没理他。大家看看有没有必要回
？怎么回？
他代理的公司名字猎头已经给我了，我到那个公司网页也看到可以直接发email给那个
公司HR投简历，但担心会不会那个投了以后自动又转到猎头手里？

s*m2010-02-10 08:02

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现在每天可以发50个了

z*n2010-02-10 08:02

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那到这个iphone4快1周了，发中文短信倒别的iphone2，3都是乱码，简体繁体都是。不
知道怎么解决
iphone的语言设置也改成中文过，还是没用。
有哪位帮忙解答一下？

t*t2010-02-10 08:02

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散热性能好，关键要静音。
尺寸可以跟P180mini相似。
P180 mini在静音方面的确了差一点。

t*s2010-02-10 08:02

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看置顶的常见问题
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Reunion/31319663.html

c*o2010-02-10 08:02

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我也很想知道。我问过一个朋友，他说超过四年大概都要check，不知是否属实。

a*x2010-02-10 08:02

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工资又啥可遮掩的。

due
would
there
different.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 投了一个猎头公司代理的职位，猎头问我现在工资，我按照网上找来的答案回答“due
: to current company policy, I cannot disclose my current salary, but I would
: love to discuss the salary your client can offer when both sides think there
: is a good fit. ”心想这下可以把他打法了，没想到他回信“ as far as salary
: goes...There is nothing that a company can legally bind you to so that you
: don't disclose how much you make. Co. proprietary information is different.
: Your salary is your salary. I need this information to present to my
: client....What you make and what you would like to make are two different
: things. Your company would also like its employees not to explore job
: possibilities, but they can't prevent you from doing so. Ultimately you

B*g2010-02-10 08:02

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fa bao zi

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

wy2010-02-10 08:02

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据说是设置成日文在设置回来？

【在 z***n 的大作中提到】

: 那到这个iphone4快1周了，发中文短信倒别的iphone2，3都是乱码，简体繁体都是。不
: 知道怎么解决
: iphone的语言设置也改成中文过，还是没用。
: 有哪位帮忙解答一下？

B*D2010-02-10 08:02

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偶在用的这个
http://www.hd-plex.com/H10.ODD/H10.ODD-gallery.html
嘿嘿

【在 t**t 的大作中提到】

: 散热性能好，关键要静音。
: 尺寸可以跟P180mini相似。
: P180 mini在静音方面的确了差一点。

m*p2010-02-10 08:02

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谢谢。
看了B2签证常见问题，我的作法好像可以。

y*62010-02-10 08:02

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我7年没回去，刚回了一趟国，没被Check

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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你卖东西的时候买家问你这东西你进货价多少，你说有啥好遮掩？

q*n2010-02-10 08:02

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Pai

d*b2010-02-10 08:02

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没办法解决，全美国只有att的网络支持中文。跟你手机没关系。你要碰到tmobile连发
都不会让你发

【在 z***n 的大作中提到】

: 那到这个iphone4快1周了，发中文短信倒别的iphone2，3都是乱码，简体繁体都是。不
: 知道怎么解决
: iphone的语言设置也改成中文过，还是没用。
: 有哪位帮忙解答一下？

t*t2010-02-10 08:02

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这种无风扇的东东
散热显然是大问题。

【在 B*D 的大作中提到】

: 偶在用的这个
: http://www.hd-plex.com/H10.ODD/H10.ODD-gallery.html
: 嘿嘿

o*y2010-02-10 08:02

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何必呢？再去照，要电子版的发给你
而且注意你护照是什么时候办的，签证照片得6个月之内

【在 m******p 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢。
: 看了B2签证常见问题，我的作法好像可以。

a*x2010-02-10 08:02

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我告诉他原价。他随便砍。砍的俺满意了我就卖了。你也试试？

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 你卖东西的时候买家问你这东西你进货价多少，你说有啥好遮掩？

s*m2010-02-10 08:02

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今天没了

【在 B*****g 的大作中提到】

: fa bao zi

z*n2010-02-10 08:02

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谢谢两位答复，但是觉得不对丫。。网络只是提供管道。
http://support.vzw.com/clc/faqs/Features%20and%20Optional%20Ser
但是还未看到它对iphone的答复，我回头打电话问问。。

B*D2010-02-10 08:02

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但是静音，HTPC的用途，
能把core i3 530的温度维持在35-40C左右，偶不要求什么显卡之类的
所以恰好满足偶的需求，而且超薄
CPU的趋势是SoC，对于高集成度的东西，这种散热是比较有效的
如果需要啥游戏显卡，再加那种北桥很烫的，自然不合适，肯定要大空间和120mm风扇
我发现要找到一个平衡点不容易
Antec的那种2U的卧式，算是一个妥协

【在 t**t 的大作中提到】

: 这种无风扇的东东
: 散热显然是大问题。

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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本来卖家利润50%，买家知道了，靠，这家伙利润太高了，一定有别的地方可以买到更
便宜的，我最多出你成本价+20%，你爱卖不卖。

【在 a***x 的大作中提到】

: 我告诉他原价。他随便砍。砍的俺满意了我就卖了。你也试试？

g*a2010-02-10 08:02

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赞美!
有时间继续发捐到版上的包子吧，好多啊　。。。:)

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

M*n2010-02-10 08:02

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t-mobile倒是可以收中文，

【在 d*b 的大作中提到】

: 没办法解决，全美国只有att的网络支持中文。跟你手机没关系。你要碰到tmobile连发
: 都不会让你发

t*t2010-02-10 08:02

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我现在需要的是P180mini档次的机箱。
600W电源/860或者920的CPU/58xx的GPU

【在 B*D 的大作中提到】

: 但是静音，HTPC的用途，
: 能把core i3 530的温度维持在35-40C左右，偶不要求什么显卡之类的
: 所以恰好满足偶的需求，而且超薄
: CPU的趋势是SoC，对于高集成度的东西，这种散热是比较有效的
: 如果需要啥游戏显卡，再加那种北桥很烫的，自然不合适，肯定要大空间和120mm风扇
: 我发现要找到一个平衡点不容易
: Antec的那种2U的卧式，算是一个妥协

D*a2010-02-10 08:02

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this happens, but your strength in salary negotiation depends on your
alternative.
if you have bonus you should also include it.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 本来卖家利润50%，买家知道了，靠，这家伙利润太高了，一定有别的地方可以买到更
: 便宜的，我最多出你成本价+20%，你爱卖不卖。

s*m2010-02-10 08:02

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我们很快就会穷了呵呵

【在 g*******a 的大作中提到】

: 赞美!
: 有时间继续发捐到版上的包子吧，好多啊　。。。:)

s*k2010-02-10 08:02

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没有啊,我收发中文都没有问题

【在 d*b 的大作中提到】

: 没办法解决，全美国只有att的网络支持中文。跟你手机没关系。你要碰到tmobile连发
: 都不会让你发

t*t2010-02-10 08:02

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还有这个无风扇的东东，CPU满载后多少度？

【在 B*D 的大作中提到】

: 但是静音，HTPC的用途，
: 能把core i3 530的温度维持在35-40C左右，偶不要求什么显卡之类的
: 所以恰好满足偶的需求，而且超薄
: CPU的趋势是SoC，对于高集成度的东西，这种散热是比较有效的
: 如果需要啥游戏显卡，再加那种北桥很烫的，自然不合适，肯定要大空间和120mm风扇
: 我发现要找到一个平衡点不容易
: Antec的那种2U的卧式，算是一个妥协

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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salary negotiation一般都是到offer阶段才谈的吧，现在简历递交阶段就来套我的底
线，也太那个了吧。
我们公司就一点死工资，bonus也没有，报出去，人肯定不愿意出它广告上列的那个价
的，毕竟招一个员工开给他原来工资+50%的offer，谁买了心里都会有疙瘩。

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】

: this happens, but your strength in salary negotiation depends on your
: alternative.
: if you have bonus you should also include it.

s*22010-02-10 08:02

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赞美!

m*p2010-02-10 08:02

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我是vzw的blackberry和iphone用户还没遇到过这个问题

【在 z***n 的大作中提到】

: 那到这个iphone4快1周了，发中文短信倒别的iphone2，3都是乱码，简体繁体都是。不
: 知道怎么解决
: iphone的语言设置也改成中文过，还是没用。
: 有哪位帮忙解答一下？

B*D2010-02-10 08:02

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这个配置，我觉得2x120mm风扇是必须的
加上CPU散热器和电源，还有显卡的风扇，那么就是五个fan...
要静音，关键是用好的风扇
我用过最好的是Notuca的120mm，就是贵了些

【在 t**t 的大作中提到】

: 我现在需要的是P180mini档次的机箱。
: 600W电源/860或者920的CPU/58xx的GPU

a*x2010-02-10 08:02

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那是人觉得你不值

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: salary negotiation一般都是到offer阶段才谈的吧，现在简历递交阶段就来套我的底
: 线，也太那个了吧。
: 我们公司就一点死工资，bonus也没有，报出去，人肯定不愿意出它广告上列的那个价
: 的，毕竟招一个员工开给他原来工资+50%的offer，谁买了心里都会有疙瘩。

d*n2010-02-10 08:02

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刚收到今天的包子，多谢

B*D2010-02-10 08:02

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Prime95 100% 一个小时后72C
自然不能和有风扇的比，因为针对的应用完全不同...

【在 t**t 的大作中提到】

: 还有这个无风扇的东东，CPU满载后多少度？

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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人会因为你现在工资低就觉得你不值。

【在 a***x 的大作中提到】

: 那是人觉得你不值

s*m2010-02-10 08:02

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好吃吧，热气腾腾阿

【在 d****n 的大作中提到】

: 刚收到今天的包子，多谢

t*t2010-02-10 08:02

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这个是问题吗？
P180mini比这个多。我就认为太多了。
我只用Enermax和Abee的风扇

【在 B*D 的大作中提到】

: 这个配置，我觉得2x120mm风扇是必须的
: 加上CPU散热器和电源，还有显卡的风扇，那么就是五个fan...
: 要静音，关键是用好的风扇
: 我用过最好的是Notuca的120mm，就是贵了些

a*x2010-02-10 08:02

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你真够自卑的

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 人会因为你现在工资低就觉得你不值。

g*a2010-02-10 08:02

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许多是请求斑竹代发的，麻烦你们啦。
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_board_donate.php?board=EB23

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 我们很快就会穷了呵呵

t*t2010-02-10 08:02

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这种机器也就当HTPC用了。

【在 B*D 的大作中提到】

: Prime95 100% 一个小时后72C
: 自然不能和有风扇的比，因为针对的应用完全不同...

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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你真够阿Q的

【在 a***x 的大作中提到】

: 你真够自卑的

S*y2010-02-10 08:02

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chia re

B*D2010-02-10 08:02

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是，还有hi-end的computer audio system

【在 t**t 的大作中提到】

: 这种机器也就当HTPC用了。

B*g2010-02-10 08:02

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伊还真不是阿Q，伊就是BSO挣得多

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 你真够阿Q的

G*e2010-02-10 08:02

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这次可以发杜甫的包子

b*p2010-02-10 08:02

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tell him the total number base+bonus+401match+....

T*y2010-02-10 08:02

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re

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

g*e2010-02-10 08:02

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不是八胖阿Q，是你确实有点自卑。新offer跟你现在的工资没什么关系，一切取决于你
面试表现和公司能花多大代价找到一个类似的人

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 你真够阿Q的

g*a2010-02-10 08:02

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lol
李白属于浪漫主义杜甫属于批判现实主义

【在 G******e 的大作中提到】

: 这次可以发杜甫的包子

d*s2010-02-10 08:02

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Second this.
地区之间的差价也可以拿出来说事啊

【在 g**e 的大作中提到】

: 不是八胖阿Q，是你确实有点自卑。新offer跟你现在的工资没什么关系，一切取决于你
: 面试表现和公司能花多大代价找到一个类似的人

z*o2010-02-10 08:02

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chi baozi

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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同一个地区的。

【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】

: Second this.
: 地区之间的差价也可以拿出来说事啊

B*k2010-02-10 08:02

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pai

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

m*e2010-02-10 08:02

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Company wants to know your salary becasue if it's too high, they will not
bother with the interview process, therefore saving both parties' time.
You should tell them. It's not going to be a secret. You have to tell them
before they give an offer anyway.

due
would
there
different.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 投了一个猎头公司代理的职位，猎头问我现在工资，我按照网上找来的答案回答“due
: to current company policy, I cannot disclose my current salary, but I would
: love to discuss the salary your client can offer when both sides think there
: is a good fit. ”心想这下可以把他打法了，没想到他回信“ as far as salary
: goes...There is nothing that a company can legally bind you to so that you
: don't disclose how much you make. Co. proprietary information is different.
: Your salary is your salary. I need this information to present to my
: client....What you make and what you would like to make are two different
: things. Your company would also like its employees not to explore job
: possibilities, but they can't prevent you from doing so. Ultimately you

D*02010-02-10 08:02

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Re!

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

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公司总是想花最少的代价找到类似的人。
再拿上面卖东西的例子，如果你这个东西进价高，买家问起来，你当然会很乐意的说，
我多少多少钱进的，你看我只赚你这么点；如果你进价很低，利润很高，你会坦白说吗？
在拿到offer前告诉人家你现在公司的后果见下贴。这位mid兄很自信啊，说了，结果呢？
========================================================
发信人: mid (mid), 信区: Working
标题: Re: found a horse, but only 10% taller
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 15 13:26:27 2012, 美东)
Yes, I guess that's why they came up with their number

========================================================

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 同一个地区的。

j*42010-02-10 08:02

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Pai

m*e2010-02-10 08:02

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吗？
呢？
They will ask, and you will tell, it's that simple. They will eventually
call your HR to verify.
Get multiple offers and pick the high bidder. You can of course bluff. It's
better to bluff by saying you have other higher offers (and risk losing the
real offer), than to lie about the current salary.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 公司总是想花最少的代价找到类似的人。
: 再拿上面卖东西的例子，如果你这个东西进价高，买家问起来，你当然会很乐意的说，
: 我多少多少钱进的，你看我只赚你这么点；如果你进价很低，利润很高，你会坦白说吗？
: 在拿到offer前告诉人家你现在公司的后果见下贴。这位mid兄很自信啊，说了，结果呢？
: ========================================================
: 发信人: mid (mid), 信区: Working
: 标题: Re: found a horse, but only 10% taller
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 15 13:26:27 2012, 美东)
: Yes, I guess that's why they came up with their number
:

w*02010-02-10 08:02

64 楼

pai!

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

65 楼

那是通过问你的salary expectation问出来的，不是问你现在的工资。salary
expectation你也有权不讲具体数字，讲高了，别人直接pass，讲低了，别人就按低的
来。没有听说过拿offer前一定要给出现在工资的。

【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】

: Company wants to know your salary becasue if it's too high, they will not
: bother with the interview process, therefore saving both parties' time.
: You should tell them. It's not going to be a secret. You have to tell them
: before they give an offer anyway.
:
: due
: would
: there
: different.

x*a2010-02-10 08:02

66 楼

排包子

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

67 楼

They have the right to ask, I have the right not to tell, it's that simple.
Why do they need to make offer based on your current salary? Nothing else,
but they want to pay as low as possible.

s
the

【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: 吗？
: 呢？
: They will ask, and you will tell, it's that simple. They will eventually
: call your HR to verify.
: Get multiple offers and pick the high bidder. You can of course bluff. It's
: better to bluff by saying you have other higher offers (and risk losing the
: real offer), than to lie about the current salary.

d*r2010-02-10 08:02

68 楼

包子

m*e2010-02-10 08:02

69 楼

.
Sure, let us know how that goes.
Can you read? I told you why.
Nothing wrong with that.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: They have the right to ask, I have the right not to tell, it's that simple.
: Why do they need to make offer based on your current salary? Nothing else,
: but they want to pay as low as possible.
:
: s
: the

y*w2010-02-10 08:02

70 楼

排包子

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

71 楼

Your reason is for situation that your current salary is normal or above
normal. But read my first post, my situaion is underpay, far below normal.

【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: .
: Sure, let us know how that goes.
: Can you read? I told you why.
: Nothing wrong with that.

d*92010-02-10 08:02

72 楼

pai

m*e2010-02-10 08:02

73 楼

Doesn't matter. Everyone is underpaid.
You can say:"this is my current salary, but it's underpaid."
or better, "this is my current salary, but I have another offer of $xxx."
My point is that it's not much point in trying to avoid that conversation.
You are telling them something they will know. It's not your expected salary
. It's your current salary.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: Your reason is for situation that your current salary is normal or above
: normal. But read my first post, my situaion is underpay, far below normal.

d*t2010-02-10 08:02

74 楼

re

d*s2010-02-10 08:02

75 楼

，这个你工资别人迟早知道，不知道有啥好隐瞒的

u*e2010-02-10 08:02

76 楼

chi

a*02010-02-10 08:02

77 楼

我觉得对方有他的budget，你只要对自己有信心，坚持自己的所想要的，自己现在的工
资不是一个大问题。

E*n2010-02-10 08:02

78 楼

chi

d*s2010-02-10 08:02

79 楼

this is not true.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 公司总是想花最少的代价找到类似的人。
: 再拿上面卖东西的例子，如果你这个东西进价高，买家问起来，你当然会很乐意的说，
: 我多少多少钱进的，你看我只赚你这么点；如果你进价很低，利润很高，你会坦白说吗？
: 在拿到offer前告诉人家你现在公司的后果见下贴。这位mid兄很自信啊，说了，结果呢？
: ========================================================
: 发信人: mid (mid), 信区: Working
: 标题: Re: found a horse, but only 10% taller
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 15 13:26:27 2012, 美东)
: Yes, I guess that's why they came up with their number
:

A*e2010-02-10 08:02

80 楼

gx

f*l2010-02-10 08:02

81 楼

90%的公司最终给你offer之前绝对要看你的paystub或者W2,瞒不住也没啥好瞒得.你要
一直不说最终拿不到工作offer.那不是害自己吗.

W*u2010-02-10 08:02

82 楼

pai baozi

g*e2010-02-10 08:02

83 楼

只能说你听说的太少了，呵呵

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 那是通过问你的salary expectation问出来的，不是问你现在的工资。salary
: expectation你也有权不讲具体数字，讲高了，别人直接pass，讲低了，别人就按低的
: 来。没有听说过拿offer前一定要给出现在工资的。

f*e2010-02-10 08:02

84 楼

排，
上礼拜没收到。

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

s*p2010-02-10 08:02

85 楼

说起这个salary disclosure，我一直很纳闷，公司凭什么要知道呀？
申请表上必须填写这一栏。难道这个和婚否、年龄一样不是隐私么，而且也不影响现有
的工作。
另外，他们是通过什么背景调查去审核呢？
另外，各行各业个地方的薪资统计数据，美国政府是通过税表来统计的吗？
好像大家都通过glassdoor什么的了解。但是上面的数据是网民自己填写，这个填写的
sample一般来说是有偏差的呀。

due
would
there
different.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 投了一个猎头公司代理的职位，猎头问我现在工资，我按照网上找来的答案回答“due
: to current company policy, I cannot disclose my current salary, but I would
: love to discuss the salary your client can offer when both sides think there
: is a good fit. ”心想这下可以把他打法了，没想到他回信“ as far as salary
: goes...There is nothing that a company can legally bind you to so that you
: don't disclose how much you make. Co. proprietary information is different.
: Your salary is your salary. I need this information to present to my
: client....What you make and what you would like to make are two different
: things. Your company would also like its employees not to explore job
: possibilities, but they can't prevent you from doing so. Ultimately you

p*a2010-02-10 08:02

86 楼

哪里有吃呀？

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

87 楼

公司在make offer前问你现有工资的唯一原因，看能不能用你现在工资压压价。Make
offer后要我工资信息，完全没有问题。
推荐看一篇文章"Disclosing Salary History"
http://www.salary.com/disclosing-salary-history/

【在 s****p 的大作中提到】

: 说起这个salary disclosure，我一直很纳闷，公司凭什么要知道呀？
: 申请表上必须填写这一栏。难道这个和婚否、年龄一样不是隐私么，而且也不影响现有
: 的工作。
: 另外，他们是通过什么背景调查去审核呢？
: 另外，各行各业个地方的薪资统计数据，美国政府是通过税表来统计的吗？
: 好像大家都通过glassdoor什么的了解。但是上面的数据是网民自己填写，这个填写的
: sample一般来说是有偏差的呀。
:
: due
: would

f*32010-02-10 08:02

88 楼

baozi, pls.
Thanks

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

J*n2010-02-10 08:02

89 楼

占人气问一下: 报current base的时候多报20%会有问题吗? background check神马的
能不能查的出来?

A*w2010-02-10 08:02

90 楼

排包子,发杜甫的包子~~~

s*p2010-02-10 08:02

91 楼

我去面试就要填这些表格的。又没说给我offer。我不是人穷志短，也填了么。看拿来
下次就不填了。面试还要填写SSN呢。
但是就想不通。
另外，给了offer后也不应该要呀。
我的意思是国家可以立法，工资和其它隐私信息一样，公司去问就是非法。

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 公司在make offer前问你现有工资的唯一原因，看能不能用你现在工资压压价。Make
: offer后要我工资信息，完全没有问题。
: 推荐看一篇文章"Disclosing Salary History"
: http://www.salary.com/disclosing-salary-history/

A*n2010-02-10 08:02

92 楼

包子

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

w*c2010-02-10 08:02

93 楼

just get a competing offer dude. u don't gain any negotiation power by
hiding.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 公司在make offer前问你现有工资的唯一原因，看能不能用你现在工资压压价。Make
: offer后要我工资信息，完全没有问题。
: 推荐看一篇文章"Disclosing Salary History"
: http://www.salary.com/disclosing-salary-history/

H*62010-02-10 08:02

94 楼

PAI

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

95 楼

Good artical worth reading
http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/on-refusing-to-disclo
On Refusing to Disclose Your Salary in a Job Interview
By JENNIFER SARANOW SCHULTZ
In response to Wednesday’s Bucks post, “On Lying About Your Salary in Job
Interviews,” about whether it’s ethical to inflate your current salary
during a job interview, many readers recommended refusing to disclose your
salary in the first place. After all, by disclosing your salary, you may be
hurting your chances for a big pay increase.
“You don’t have to reveal your salary information,” said Ramit Sethi,
author of “I Will Teach You to Be Rich” and the popular blog of the same
name. “You’re under no obligation to reveal it at all.”
So how should you handle the question? Mr. Sethi shared his recommended
script and tips with us.
First, he said, when filling out any kind of job application form that asks
for your current or old salary information, write “NA.” Then, when you’re
talking with the recruiter and he or she asks you the same question,
respond with, “I’m sure we’ll find a number that works for both of us,
but for now, I want to make sure it’s a good fit.” You could also say, “I
’m really not comfortable with revealing that information but I am
interested in discussing some of the other ways I can help the company,” Mr
. Sethi said.
“Smoothly say you are not going to answer the question and refocus it on
how you can add value to the company,” he said, noting that job applicants
should make sure to practice with a friend before the actual discussion so
they can answer smoothly and firmly and don’t break down and divulge the
information.
More often than not, Mr. Sethi said, the recruiter will move on and the
issue of salary won’t come up again until you’re offered the job. At that
point, just make sure that the potential employer first gives you a range of
what it is willing to pay. Then, you can let the employer know if that’s
in line with what you expect.
Sometimes, though, a recruiter will respond that he or she needs to know
your current salary to move on and will act outraged or surprised that you
won’t give it. In this situation, if you’re really confident you’re going
to get the job, are a skilled negotiator and aren’t competing with many
other candidates, Mr. Sethi recommends responding with something like, “
Look, I’m not going to reveal my salary expectations or salary history. Let
’s move on.” And depending on whom you’re talking with, you can add, “I
’m sure the hiring manager (his or her name) wouldn’t want this to be
derailed just because I didn’t fill out one field on a form, but as you
know, I’m very interested” in the job.
But if the recruiter really persists, then the best bet at this point is to
reveal a “total comp” number, a number that represents your current total
compensation including salary and benefits (think gym discounts, retirement
account contributions, etc.)
For more of Mr. Sethi’s tips, check out his YouTube videos on common salary
negotiation mistakes and tactics and other advice here and here.
Meanwhile, other readers suggested declining to tell the employer what you
are currently making and offering instead to give the amount you’d like to
get paid — your reservation price. (Mr. Sethi said such techniques
theoretically would work as well, but since many people tend to break down
during interviews and disclose their salary information, it’s a good idea
to have the “total comp” figure handy.)
Have you refused to reveal a salary? If so, what technique did you use and
what happened?

n*02010-02-10 08:02

96 楼

CongXi

B*g2010-02-10 08:02

97 楼

they cannot verify through HR

s
the

【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: Doesn't matter. Everyone is underpaid.
: You can say:"this is my current salary, but it's underpaid."
: or better, "this is my current salary, but I have another offer of $xxx."
: My point is that it's not much point in trying to avoid that conversation.
: You are telling them something they will know. It's not your expected salary
: . It's your current salary.

t*e2010-02-10 08:02

98 楼

排包子

s*d2010-02-10 08:02

99 楼

我觉得讲了无所谓啊，我上份工作工资比较低，公司问我就直接说了。现在的工资是之
前工资的double。

h*r2010-02-10 08:02

100 楼

cong

w*c2010-02-10 08:02

101 楼

they can verify if it's true or not if u provide a number.

【在 B*****g 的大作中提到】

: they cannot verify through HR
:
: s
: the

l*t2010-02-10 08:02

102 楼

GX
PAI BAOZI

w*c2010-02-10 08:02

103 楼

i don't think anyone would disagree that ur current salary might play a role
in determining ur comp pkg, but it's typically less important than which
position u r slotted into, how much ur future boss likes u, whether
u have a competing offer and the job market.
sounds like u have an opinion already so plz just go ahead.
to me whoever tries to play hard ball w/o an actual card in hard in this
market,
i'll take the next one in line.

Job
be

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: Good artical worth reading
: http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/on-refusing-to-disclo
: On Refusing to Disclose Your Salary in a Job Interview
: By JENNIFER SARANOW SCHULTZ
: In response to Wednesday’s Bucks post, “On Lying About Your Salary in Job
: Interviews,” about whether it’s ethical to inflate your current salary
: during a job interview, many readers recommended refusing to disclose your
: salary in the first place. After all, by disclosing your salary, you may be
: hurting your chances for a big pay increase.
: “You don’t have to reveal your salary information,” said Ramit Sethi,

m*r2010-02-10 08:02

104 楼

fa bao zi

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

B*g2010-02-10 08:02

105 楼

no they cannot

【在 w********c 的大作中提到】

: they can verify if it's true or not if u provide a number.

w*e2010-02-10 08:02

106 楼

chi

D*a2010-02-10 08:02

107 楼

I think most people reveal the currently salary.
If you don't reveal, they will assume you have low pay anyway. This may work
against you. Are you confident enough to get the job in the first place?

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 公司在make offer前问你现有工资的唯一原因，看能不能用你现在工资压压价。Make
: offer后要我工资信息，完全没有问题。
: 推荐看一篇文章"Disclosing Salary History"
: http://www.salary.com/disclosing-salary-history/

m*y2010-02-10 08:02

108 楼

上次抢01的双黄包还没给我呢。

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

109 楼

随便他怎么assume，他assume的我工资低，最后给个很低的offer，我不接受就完了。
这就是一个心理战的过程。
但如果雇主如果是诚心诚意要招你，绝对不会因为你不说current salary，就故意整你
，给你一个很低的offer。

work

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】

: I think most people reveal the currently salary.
: If you don't reveal, they will assume you have low pay anyway. This may work
: against you. Are you confident enough to get the job in the first place?

m*y2010-02-10 08:02

110 楼

上次抢01的双黄包还没给我呢。

m*e2010-02-10 08:02

111 楼

It's just a standard question on the form. Will it affect their decision on
how much to pay you? Of course. Does that mean they will try to treat you
like a slave? Not really. You think too much.
You can refuse to provide this information if you are not comfortable, and
it may be OK. I think most companies will ask for this number anyway before
giving you an offer, but maybe you can get away with it. In the end, I doubt
it makes much of a difference with everything else being equal.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 随便他怎么assume，他assume的我工资低，最后给个很低的offer，我不接受就完了。
: 这就是一个心理战的过程。
: 但如果雇主如果是诚心诚意要招你，绝对不会因为你不说current salary，就故意整你
: ，给你一个很低的offer。
:
: work

m*y2010-02-10 08:02

112 楼

上次抢01的双黄包还没给我呢。

N*g2010-02-10 08:02

113 楼

[UPDATE]：
在我突然不理那个猎头两天之后（之前有过4-5封email往来，我都是很快就回复的），
今天收到那个猎头电话，我没接，他留言说要和我谈谈我的background。貌似态度有所
软化。Anyway,我准备好说辞，如果他电话中再提current salary的事的话。我就不信
current salary是make an offer的必要条件。

o*y2010-02-10 08:02

114 楼

pai

b*22010-02-10 08:02

115 楼

没看出来猎头的态度有什么软化，只觉得猎头办事很专业。
猎头的工作是推销合适的人选到雇主那里，从中拿到他的佣金。一般他能拿到的佣金是
你工资的比例，所以猎头不会主动压你的工资，除非他跟钱有仇。但佣金是雇主付，不
是你，猎头会首先满足雇主的要求。如果雇主想知道求职者的当前工资，猎头肯定会问。
至于雇主想知道当前工资的原因，不同雇主有不同目的。有的雇主想尽量压低工资，就
像你说的；有的想通过工资对比猜测你对offer的满意程度，或是否会很快再跳槽。。
。。。。雇主想知道就会问，你也有权利不回答。当然雇主有可能因为你是唯一合适的
人选而不得不要你，也有可能会觉得你不好沟通而放弃你。很多公司喜欢招技术较好但
很好沟通的人，而不是技术最好但个性特别强的人。
你要是不在乎这份工作就扛着不说。要是我，我会说我的工资。如果雇以当前工资压价
，我会礼貌而坚决的表明我要拿到期望工资才跳。

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: [UPDATE]：
: 在我突然不理那个猎头两天之后（之前有过4-5封email往来，我都是很快就回复的），
: 今天收到那个猎头电话，我没接，他留言说要和我谈谈我的background。貌似态度有所
: 软化。Anyway,我准备好说辞，如果他电话中再提current salary的事的话。我就不信
: current salary是make an offer的必要条件。

b*i2010-02-10 08:02

116 楼

pai

s*p2010-02-10 08:02

117 楼

我觉得很多公司要求申请者都要填写当前工资，还有一个重要原因就是摸清市场价，这
样自己好开价。
比如餐馆开价，那也得看看周围餐馆开的价呀。

due
would
there
different.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: 投了一个猎头公司代理的职位，猎头问我现在工资，我按照网上找来的答案回答“due
: to current company policy, I cannot disclose my current salary, but I would
: love to discuss the salary your client can offer when both sides think there
: is a good fit. ”心想这下可以把他打法了，没想到他回信“ as far as salary
: goes...There is nothing that a company can legally bind you to so that you
: don't disclose how much you make. Co. proprietary information is different.
: Your salary is your salary. I need this information to present to my
: client....What you make and what you would like to make are two different
: things. Your company would also like its employees not to explore job
: possibilities, but they can't prevent you from doing so. Ultimately you

a*a2010-02-10 08:02

118 楼

pai

r*92010-02-10 08:02

119 楼

建议你的情况不要告诉猎头你的工资，猎头和未来的背景调查也没有办法verify你的工
资。
say some thing like: "I prefer not to discuss numbers until company A is
ready to make me an offer. For your reference, I will seriously consider a
competitive offer at current market rate for my experience from company A. "
另外不要想去绕过猎头，不地道。

T*y2010-02-10 08:02

120 楼

chi

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 现在每天可以发50个了

k*u2010-02-10 08:02

121 楼

Just tell them that your current salary is irrelevant and ask for best offer
they want to make.

.

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: They have the right to ask, I have the right not to tell, it's that simple.
: Why do they need to make offer based on your current salary? Nothing else,
: but they want to pay as low as possible.
:
: s
: the

D*a2010-02-10 08:02

122 楼

加油，good luck!

【在 N****g 的大作中提到】

: [UPDATE]：
: 在我突然不理那个猎头两天之后（之前有过4-5封email往来，我都是很快就回复的），
: 今天收到那个猎头电话，我没接，他留言说要和我谈谈我的background。貌似态度有所
: 软化。Anyway,我准备好说辞，如果他电话中再提current salary的事的话。我就不信
: current salary是make an offer的必要条件。

g*x2010-02-10 08:02

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If your current salary is low, can't you just say a higher number?
Say you are making 75k and you expecting the new job salary to be in 100k
range, so just tell the recruiter you are making 90-95k.

r*92010-02-10 08:02

124 楼

I recommend not to lie about it.

【在 g********x 的大作中提到】

: If your current salary is low, can't you just say a higher number?
: Say you are making 75k and you expecting the new job salary to be in 100k
: range, so just tell the recruiter you are making 90-95k.