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30再上law school是不是太迟了# Law - 律师事务所

A*r2006-11-04 08:11

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俩ms，一个phd，都是比较hot的专业。工作比上不足比下有余。
但是总是觉得不爽，觉得这样的生活远离我年轻时的梦想。
最近，有人听说我在国内patent firm帮过忙，愿意出钱让我读part-time的JD(夜校，
20、30名)。
可是，几年读下来脱层皮不说，而且能不能拿下还是一回事，就算最后拿下了，到时候
也奔四十了的人了，是不是就没得混了。哪位懂行的出来说说帮我评估一下可行性和是
不是划得来。
多泼点冷水也好，那样我就彻底死心了。谢谢了。

a*i2006-11-04 08:11

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为什么要自己找罪受？又不是你喜欢的行业。看自己的兴趣吧。40岁也不算老。

【在 A******r 的大作中提到】

: 俩ms，一个phd，都是比较hot的专业。工作比上不足比下有余。
: 但是总是觉得不爽，觉得这样的生活远离我年轻时的梦想。
: 最近，有人听说我在国内patent firm帮过忙，愿意出钱让我读part-time的JD(夜校，
: 20、30名)。
: 可是，几年读下来脱层皮不说，而且能不能拿下还是一回事，就算最后拿下了，到时候
: 也奔四十了的人了，是不是就没得混了。哪位懂行的出来说说帮我评估一下可行性和是
: 不是划得来。
: 多泼点冷水也好，那样我就彻底死心了。谢谢了。

o*e2006-11-04 08:11

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男人过了30，只有赚钱是硬道理。
楼主是什么专业？（如果是女生另当别论）

A*r2006-11-04 08:11

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计算机相关，看不到赚大钱的前景，想转型，要么去弄金融，要么干patent agent/
attorney，都是凭经验的工作，越老越值钱。

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: 男人过了30，只有赚钱是硬道理。
: 楼主是什么专业？（如果是女生另当别论）

o*e2006-11-04 08:11

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金融行情我不知道。patent attorney 如果没有什么远大志向的话出来好好干几年后可
以20万拿到退休.最好念一个法学院。建议多找几个转行到金融的CS问一问，30岁以后
承受风险的能力就小了，基本上没有回头路可走。

a*d2006-11-04 08:11

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到底为什么现在不爽? 你年轻时的梦想是什么? 如果是梦想做亿万富翁/婆,那再花三
年时间多攒一个法律学位只会让你离你的梦想越来越远.

【在 A******r 的大作中提到】

b*d2006-11-04 08:11

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居然有人出钱，是不是要签个合同啊什么的？

A*r2006-11-04 08:11

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不用，不过说实话，我倒是挺希望有人有这个要求。自己没有十足的信心JD毕业能找到
工作，有人给个position过渡一下挺好的。

【在 b*d 的大作中提到】

: 居然有人出钱，是不是要签个合同啊什么的？

w*o2006-11-04 08:11

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I don't recommend getting a JD. First, you will be overqualified when you
get out of law school. For entry level positions they don't want to pay you
for your degrees plus your JD. For senior level positions you will not have
enough experience since you only have the degrees. If you want to be more
financially secure, try getting involved in leadership roles in your company
and into management. On the side, you can see if there are any consulting
jobs or businesses you can start for extra money.

w*e2006-11-04 08:11

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Wohenhao,
For the over qualification problem you mentioned, did you hypothesize that
or have you heard any real story? I know over qualification IS a problem for
some, especially in the tech-oriented fields.
Please comment.Thanks

o*e2006-11-04 08:11

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Altough being a patent scribe is extremely boring to most people, it is also
one of the few legal jobs that are very associate-friendly. It is also the
easiest way for one to start some sort of legal practice on his/her own.

you
have
company
it

【在 w******o 的大作中提到】

: I don't recommend getting a JD. First, you will be overqualified when you
: get out of law school. For entry level positions they don't want to pay you
: for your degrees plus your JD. For senior level positions you will not have
: enough experience since you only have the degrees. If you want to be more
: financially secure, try getting involved in leadership roles in your company
: and into management. On the side, you can see if there are any consulting
: jobs or businesses you can start for extra money.

w*e2006-11-04 08:11

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w*o2006-11-04 08:11

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tech PhD + JD is overkill, the patent atternoys I know are all just bachelor
or ms + JD. On the other hand, if you are bio major then PhD is essentially
required with JD since the market is so saturated.
If OP is really interested in legal work there is also the expert witness
track which may be more fitting and rewarding:
http://expertpages.com/using.htm

w*n2006-11-04 08:11

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I don't agree. There are not many patent attorneys with PHD + JD in hot
areas (for example, CS or EE) are because of limited supply of people with
those qualifications in the legal field, not because tech PhD + JD is an
overkill.
Just imagine that when meeting a client, do you want to have somebody with a
PhD or someone with a BS or MS. PhD carries more prestige than a BS or MS,
and the legal field is very much prestige driven.
But still, law school is such a huge effort. If you are not 100% dec

【在 w******o 的大作中提到】

: tech PhD + JD is overkill, the patent atternoys I know are all just bachelor
: or ms + JD. On the other hand, if you are bio major then PhD is essentially
: required with JD since the market is so saturated.
: If OP is really interested in legal work there is also the expert witness
: track which may be more fitting and rewarding:
: http://expertpages.com/using.htm

w*o2006-11-04 08:11

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Of course, if you have Phd+JD and your EE/CS, you will probably have an
upper hand to get hired by a firm. However, what I'm saying is, because the
market does not require you to get a PhD+JD to get hired, it is in my
opinion overkill to get both degrees just to become a patent lawyer. As you
suggested, there are better ways for financial security and happiness.

a
are

【在 w*********n 的大作中提到】

: I don't agree. There are not many patent attorneys with PHD + JD in hot
: areas (for example, CS or EE) are because of limited supply of people with
: those qualifications in the legal field, not because tech PhD + JD is an
: overkill.
: Just imagine that when meeting a client, do you want to have somebody with a
: PhD or someone with a BS or MS. PhD carries more prestige than a BS or MS,
: and the legal field is very much prestige driven.
: But still, law school is such a huge effort. If you are not 100% dec

T*E2006-11-04 08:11

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I am a patent agent in one of the leading IP firms in US.
Here are some points that i'd like to share with some of those who'd like to
explore their careers in US IP law.
1) Some Ph.D degrees, like Bio and Chemistry Ph.Ds, are much appreciated and
welcome because an attorney/agent has to understand the invention in order
to reply to Office Actions. However, for some other majors like computer
science and electrical engineering, Ph.D is not a must, mostly because Ph.D
programs in those majors ar

w*e2006-11-04 08:11

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TitanAE,
Thanks for sharing. Hope to see you often in the future on this board.

k*g2006-11-04 08:11

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check out this link:
see profile of Theresa Gresl
http://www.bus.wisc.edu/smiles/profiles/
In patent area, you have to be highly proficient at language skills
For finace + CS, see quant board at mitbbs
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_bbsdoc.php?board=Quant
In finace at street, you need to be very good at numbers (including
programming, c++, matlab) and probabilities.
Both areas need your passion.
Salary and bonus:
IB >> PATENT ~ corporate finance
You may make extra money through finance, good luck!

k*g2006-11-04 08:11

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Theresa Gresl got her ph.d from Wisconsin-madison but got her B.Sc. in 1985!
!!!
Now she is working at MBA/JD. huhuu, admire.

o*32006-11-04 08:11

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This is an article which sould be marked and put in JING HUA.

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【在 T*****E 的大作中提到】

: I am a patent agent in one of the leading IP firms in US.
: Here are some points that i'd like to share with some of those who'd like to
: explore their careers in US IP law.
: 1) Some Ph.D degrees, like Bio and Chemistry Ph.Ds, are much appreciated and
: welcome because an attorney/agent has to understand the invention in order
: to reply to Office Actions. However, for some other majors like computer
: science and electrical engineering, Ph.D is not a must, mostly because Ph.D
: programs in those majors ar