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请教版上的patent agent/attoney们# Law - 律师事务所

b*r2011-12-02 08:12

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a*a2011-12-02 08:12

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肛门四周湿痒，美国有什么药可以治？已经有很长时间了，以为洗澡什么的能够搞定，
结果越来越严
重。

a*e2011-12-02 08:12

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标题：写一个提前去打指纹的经历，希望对后来的人有帮助，也攒攒自己的人品.
经历：
12/2号收到了打指纹（FP）的通知，安排在12/15 。之前看大家提到可以提前去（
walk in），加上学期末学校的各种事情，就想自己也试试提前去（walk in）。
12/5周一10点多到的Atlanta ASC，门卫看了我的单子，让我在一个等候区域等着
，并在我
的单子上写上了w??25。这个区域内坐着等的人都是在appointment之外的时间来打指纹
的。他们的政策是，在正常的队伍人不太多的时候，才把我们这些不按点来的人放过去
一两个。
我来的时候，我们这个队已经放到了18号。也就说他们从8点开门到10点放了～18
个walk in的人。但是接下来，因为遇到了高峰期，我们的等待就比较漫长了。19号的
人说她们大概等了50分钟。然后把我，25号，放过去的时候已经是中午12点多了。
等我照完相，打完指纹，接近12点30。等候区基本上已经没人了，其实该这个时候
来的。
经验：1）在Atlanta的这个ASC，从他们的排序制度可以看出，walk in 是被允许，以
及长期操作的。
2）时间选择：我今天的经历是，快到中午的时候人就开始少了，应该下午
左右过去的话，等待的时间会少一些。

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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用什么identifier标识已经withdrawn但又想rejoin的claims. 万分感谢!

p*52011-12-02 08:12

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buy some body powder.

z*62011-12-02 08:12

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里面按指纹的人态度如何？
我在纽约，三点去的，排队的人一个也没有。
态度及其差劲，是我至今见过的最没修养的美国白人。
事是办成了，憋了一肚子气。

d*e2011-12-02 08:12

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withdrawn

a*e2011-12-02 08:12

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态度我觉得还可以。
他们也许略显疲态，但我没有觉得他们对我，和对其他人有什么不同。

【在 z*********6 的大作中提到】

: 里面按指纹的人态度如何？
: 我在纽约，三点去的，排队的人一个也没有。
: 态度及其差劲，是我至今见过的最没修养的美国白人。
: 事是办成了，憋了一肚子气。

z*n2011-12-02 08:12

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if you need to amend a withdrawnprocess claim to recite all limitations
of a product claim under consideration so that you can rejoin the amended process claim after the the product claims is found allowable, you can use "
withdrawn-currently amended". However, simply "withdrawn" works as well.

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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Thank you for the reply.
I did not tell the whole story in the beginning. Some of our claims were
withdrawn by the examiner in the office action, but we disagreed with him.
In our response we requested rejoinder of those claims and did not use
withdrawn or withdrawn-currently amended. The day before, we got a notice of
non-compliant response indicating those claims should be identified as
withdrawn.
So my question is when rejoinder is requested, how the claims that are
withdrawn by mistake are identified.
Thanks in advance.

process claim after the the product claims is found allowable, you can use "

【在 z******n 的大作中提到】

: if you need to amend a withdrawnprocess claim to recite all limitations
: of a product claim under consideration so that you can rejoin the amended process claim after the the product claims is found allowable, you can use "
: withdrawn-currently amended". However, simply "withdrawn" works as well.

r*r2011-12-02 08:12

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still "withdrawn", but in the remarks, argue that claims x-x were
incorrectly or mistakenly withdrawn by the Examiner for reasons A, B, C...
or you may traverse the restriction requirement set forth by the Examiner at
the first place...if this is what you actually wanted to do. However, now
it may already be too late to do so.

of

【在 s**********g 的大作中提到】

: Thank you for the reply.
: I did not tell the whole story in the beginning. Some of our claims were
: withdrawn by the examiner in the office action, but we disagreed with him.
: In our response we requested rejoinder of those claims and did not use
: withdrawn or withdrawn-currently amended. The day before, we got a notice of
: non-compliant response indicating those claims should be identified as
: withdrawn.
: So my question is when rejoinder is requested, how the claims that are
: withdrawn by mistake are identified.
: Thanks in advance.

d*e2011-12-02 08:12

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it's not worth fighting a restriction requirement. you are wasting your time
and money.
if any withdrawn claims are eligible for rejoinder at the time of allowance,
they will be rejoined automatically.
just use "withdrawn" in front of withdrawn claims. file a divisional
application to pursue those withdrawn claims that will not be rejoined.
are you prosecuting this application yourself? I suggest you find a lawyer
or agent before you make an irreversible mistake.

z*n2011-12-02 08:12

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you would better to talk to a patent agent or attorney for details. the file
wrapper needs to be reviewed before a complete answer can be given.
However, don't worry. It should be easily curable if you don't make mistakes.

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【在 s**********g 的大作中提到】

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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惭愧. 我是个刚入行的patent agent. 顶头律师要我回复一个 the notice of non-
compliant response.在她给上一个 non-final office action的答复中,she
requested rejoinder of the claims withdrawn by the examiner and marked those
claims as original or anything else other than withdrawn or withdrawn-
currently amended.The response from the examiner is the notice of non-
compliant response as above. She talked to me today and told me we were
going to comply with most of the withdrawn claims except two. So I kept the
identifiers for those two the same as before (not withdrawn), withdrew the
others. She will discuss with me again tomorrow.
It looks like if you disagree with the examiner for the election, you don't
change the identifiers to withdrawn until you have no choice. But I　kind of
agree with deltaforce that if you reserve your right to request rejoinder ,
when allowable matter is found they may be reconsidered.
Thank you to everyone!

z*n2011-12-02 08:12

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Some examiners will notify you in the office action that a withdrawn process
claim will automatically be rejoined after a product claim is found
allowable, IF you elect the product claim.
Unless you are 100% sure you will win, no need to fight a RR. And it is too
early to fight too. Get some claims considered for the merits first. However
, be careful when electing claims. In a product/process situation, if you
elect a process, then no possibility of rejoining a product. if you elect a
product, you might rejoin a process. I may be wrong to some extent.

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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Sounds logical to me!

process
too
However
a

【在 z******n 的大作中提到】

: Some examiners will notify you in the office action that a withdrawn process
: claim will automatically be rejoined after a product claim is found
: allowable, IF you elect the product claim.
: Unless you are 100% sure you will win, no need to fight a RR. And it is too
: early to fight too. Get some claims considered for the merits first. However
: , be careful when electing claims. In a product/process situation, if you
: elect a process, then no possibility of rejoining a product. if you elect a
: product, you might rejoin a process. I may be wrong to some extent.

i*y2011-12-02 08:12

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You will probably get another non-compliance. Client will freak out when
they see that you spend time (the associate's and yours) on replying to this
, unless the fight was instructed by the client.
How senior is this 顶头律师?

those
the
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
She will discuss with me again tomorrow.
t

【在 s**********g 的大作中提到】

: 惭愧. 我是个刚入行的patent agent. 顶头律师要我回复一个 the notice of non-
: compliant response.在她给上一个 non-final office action的答复中,she
: requested rejoinder of the claims withdrawn by the examiner and marked those
: claims as original or anything else other than withdrawn or withdrawn-
: currently amended.The response from the examiner is the notice of non-
: compliant response as above. She talked to me today and told me we were
: going to comply with most of the withdrawn claims except two. So I kept the
: identifiers for those two the same as before (not withdrawn), withdrew the
: others. She will discuss with me again tomorrow.
: It looks like if you disagree with the examiner for the election, you don't

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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The client won't get freak out this time, cause they won't get to see
exactly how many hours I spent (10h). The lawyer ( 7 years in this firm, 3
years as patent agent in another firm) told me today, 90% of the time I
spent would not be billable.
How can I become more efficient? How to deal with this billing system?
Any suggestions are appreciated!
Are you thinking asking for rejoinder in the response to Notice of Non-
Compliant Amendment is not worth it? The lawyer is determined to do so even
she feels like we may get a final rejection. But she asks for a phone call
if the final decision is made by the examiner. Will that help us avoid the
final rejection?

this

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

: You will probably get another non-compliance. Client will freak out when
: they see that you spend time (the associate's and yours) on replying to this
: , unless the fight was instructed by the client.
: How senior is this 顶头律师?
:
: those
: the
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: She will discuss with me again tomorrow.
: t

d*e2011-12-02 08:12

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Your mentor must be out of her mind!

even

【在 s**********g 的大作中提到】

: The client won't get freak out this time, cause they won't get to see
: exactly how many hours I spent (10h). The lawyer ( 7 years in this firm, 3
: years as patent agent in another firm) told me today, 90% of the time I
: spent would not be billable.
: How can I become more efficient? How to deal with this billing system?
: Any suggestions are appreciated!
: Are you thinking asking for rejoinder in the response to Notice of Non-
: Compliant Amendment is not worth it? The lawyer is determined to do so even
: she feels like we may get a final rejection. But she asks for a phone call
: if the final decision is made by the examiner. Will that help us avoid the

i*y2011-12-02 08:12

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How can I become more efficient?
我只能说，远离你这个带头律师

even

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p*g2011-12-02 08:12

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哈哈，我知道你是谁。

process claim after the the product claims is found allowable, you can use "

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s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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Which way? 90% of my work is non-billable or even she senses she is asking
for the final rejection, she will still do it?

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: Your mentor must be out of her mind!
:
: even

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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That sounds even harder than to please her and secure the job, though I am
not successful in the latter.
Apparently she is not happy about my efficiency, and I am not encouraged by
working without being paid. I wish there is a smart way of learning.
中提到: 】

p*g2011-12-02 08:12

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绝对。。。

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

: How can I become more efficient?
: 我只能说，远离你这个带头律师
:
: even

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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She is already a special counsel, higher than regular associate and close to
partner.she gets there in about 5 years.
She has a lot of clients. I am confused by the reasons to stay away from her
. Billable hour or patent prosecution? Please advise.

【在 p*********g 的大作中提到】

: 绝对。。。

d*e2011-12-02 08:12

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It seems she's not giving you good advice or training. No matter how good
she is, if she does not care about you, she's not a good mentor for you.

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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Oh, I see.
what kind of training are needed/expected for beginners?
Are any of you stressed out by billable hours? For me, I don't know how I
will fulfill the requirement when discounts are taken in such a generous way
.If salary is based on billable hours, I don't know whether I will have
enough to pay the bills. Sweating.....

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: It seems she's not giving you good advice or training. No matter how good
: she is, if she does not care about you, she's not a good mentor for you.

d*e2011-12-02 08:12

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She should teach you the best approach she knows. She should explain to you
why certain things are done in certain ways. She should revise your drafts
carefully.
Billable hour is "billable" not "billed." If you bill 1000 hours and the
firm writes off 900, you still get 1000 hours. If your firm requires "billed
" hour and still writes off a big chunk of your time, find another firm.
Nobody I know is concerned with his/her billable hour requirement.

way

【在 s**********g 的大作中提到】

: Oh, I see.
: what kind of training are needed/expected for beginners?
: Are any of you stressed out by billable hours? For me, I don't know how I
: will fulfill the requirement when discounts are taken in such a generous way
: .If salary is based on billable hours, I don't know whether I will have
: enough to pay the bills. Sweating.....

s*g2011-12-02 08:12

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Thank you so much.
Much clear now.

you
drafts
billed

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: She should teach you the best approach she knows. She should explain to you
: why certain things are done in certain ways. She should revise your drafts
: carefully.
: Billable hour is "billable" not "billed." If you bill 1000 hours and the
: firm writes off 900, you still get 1000 hours. If your firm requires "billed
: " hour and still writes off a big chunk of your time, find another firm.
: Nobody I know is concerned with his/her billable hour requirement.
:
: way