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真心求教如何入行paten law？# Law - 律师事务所

s*n2011-12-03 08:12

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I understand that the contribution limit for 2009 is 16,500. My question is:
Does this 16,500 include employer matching contribution?
My company match 10% of the base salary. I googled, and found that "employer
matching contributions up to six-percent of an employee’s pre-tax salary a
re not included in the contribution."
Then, what if the employ matching > 6%?
Anybody knows? Thanks.

S*92011-12-03 08:12

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昨日上午，不小心将门牙碰掉一小块，现手头只有upmc 的ppo 健康保险，。听说美国
牙科费用很高，那么怎么样才能得到负得起的治疗啊。再有，这个ppo cover 牙齿费用
吗？

T*g2011-12-03 08:12

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考古了精华版eastfire的帖子，获益匪浅。但是还有些问题想问。我在国内也有一些潜
在的买家，想在美国买一些仪器。通常这些仪器在国内都有代理，但是价格方面会比较
贵。
-由于是仪器，售后服务怎么处理呢？比如说使用培训，还有更重要的是，仪器如果在
后续的使用过程中有问题或是故障的话，怎么办呢？让美国的代理派人过去不太现实，
还是生产厂商在国内的分公司/办事处能派人进行服务呢？要不在国内请人维护？这个
成本会不会太高了些。
-付款方式方面是怎样的呢？需要先垫付全款给美国代理吗？一般国内的买家都是先付
一部分定金，验货后才付尾款的。那样风险是不是太大了？
-国内的关税会不会很高？
-如果要给国内买家的负责人提成的话，如何操作？如果在美国成立公司，通过什么方
式付这笔钱？
我是超级菜鸟，先想到这些，希望各位大佬帮忙指点一下，谢谢了。

e*e2011-12-03 08:12

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求高人指点：
我的NIW PD09/27/12， RD06/01/2015，预计下个月就能current了。我的140 SOC code
是microbiology. 申请140时是postdoc,我申请140的petition letter上描述的是
significant contributions to the field of Plant Biology; specifically plant
molecular biology and plant proteomics. 如果换的工作和plant没关系，但还是
molecular biology or proteomics还算是同领域吗？
比如说在一个genomics service公司做molecular biology lab work (genomic
testing). 和植物没有关系，而是healthcare领域。换这样的工作是否有风险？从140
批准后，我还一直在原来的领域审稿，也有原领域的一篇文章发表。
如果I-485要求补件证明同一领域的工作的话，是否要自己写一个statement，还是EVL
就够了？
万分感谢！

a*g2011-12-03 08:12

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suwen (wash wash sleep) 于 (Tue Mar 8 17:18:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
sigh
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thinworm (努力增肥中...) 于 (Tue Mar 8 19:09:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
最后那一枪莫名其妙啊

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getty (getty) 于 (Tue Mar 8 20:50:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
这样她就是强制成为susan的donor了啊，从bree一走我就知道beth要这么干了
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thinworm (努力增肥中...) 于 (Wed Mar 9 00:21:41 2011, 美东) 提到:
她为啥突然对Susan这么好？被老公抛弃了也不至于这样啊
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suwen (wash wash sleep) 于 (Wed Mar 9 03:04:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
你牛，我倒真没想到。
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suwen (wash wash sleep) 于 (Wed Mar 9 03:05:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
我嚼得是她内心不够强大，特别敏感细腻的那种，一点打击都受不起。
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getty (getty) 于 (Wed Mar 9 03:06:54 2011, 美东) 提到:
她妈不是说了，她会live她的lonely and depressing余生，thinking about all the
people you've disappointed。所以这时候她就觉得能帮助别人尤其的重要啊，就跟
Bree也需要成为donor一样，那个priest不是跟她说要thinking of what you can give
嘛，this is what makes them feel they still matter。结果Beth连最后这点希望都
被Bree剥夺了，像她这样本来就比较病态的人自然会采取极端的措施达到目的，更何况
她本来也无心恋世了。
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getty (getty) 于 (Wed Mar 9 03:08:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
嗯，你们都还没娃吧？
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dede (happyfeet) 于 (Wed Mar 9 11:01:48 2011, 美东) 提到:
bree 跟男朋友去了？谁被beth 打了一枪？
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suwen (wash wash sleep) 于 (Wed Mar 9 13:18:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
这和娃有啥关系？
x
x
嗯，你们都还没娃吧？
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Gump ((Forrest)) 于 (Wed Mar 9 14:28:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
主要还是编剧，好残忍。演员怀孕了，就把她角色写死了。
Paul的前妻也开枪自杀了
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suwen (wash wash sleep) 于 (Wed Mar 9 14:36:48 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得主要为了不让bree捐肾
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LamborghiniA (東口方面西武百貨*西口方面東武百貨) 于 (Wed Mar 9 14:55:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
不残忍又会没人看了
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avai (avai) 于 (Wed Mar 9 15:52:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得BREE去找BETH说的那话挺过分的
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getty (getty) 于 (Wed Mar 9 15:52:58 2011, 美东) 提到:
反正beth这个角色也就一个season的量
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suwen (wash wash sleep) 于 (Wed Mar 9 16:10:45 2011, 美东) 提到:
话说她是真处还是骗Paul的？
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dede (happyfeet) 于 (Sat Mar 12 14:21:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
那句话？

l*r2011-12-03 08:12

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最近要帮朋友设计一个house，木结构，以前没做过木结构，想练一练，作为借鉴，请
问大家在那个地方可以看到类似设计的图纸？一般的county 会保留房子的设计图纸并
允许查吗？
我记得以前有人提到过在哪个网站可以买一套drawings，但记不清哪里了。
多谢。

M*a2011-12-03 08:12

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请教版上各位前辈：本人专业化学，发了14篇文章之后，对化学工作的前景深表失
望乃至绝望。当初对科研的激情早已化作鄙视。很严肃的在考虑能否有机会入专利
法一行。
之所以想到做专利，一是觉得还可以利用到多年所学，二是因为自己对写文章写东西
并没有排斥感，这些发表的文章也多半是自己所写，还算有点信心。自己多年科研，每周工作100小时也是家常便饭的事情，所以就算有压力，我也愿意去承担。
自己现在正在申请绿卡，运气如愿的话估摸半年之内可以批下来。所以想现在开始找
找看，但是刚开始考虑这方面内容，难免一头雾水。所以还是希望能得到各位指点。
自己经济上不宽裕，如果直接开始考LSAT申请法学院，投入的金钱和时间代价太大，
难以承受。不知道可不可以直接开始申请律所里给人打杂？应该申请technology
specialist还是申请paralegal？
版上诸位前辈如果得知有相关opening，能否告知？不胜感谢！

c*x2011-12-03 08:12

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Employer match does not count against the 16,500 limit.

p*52011-12-03 08:12

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Are you close to a university? Search for a dental college. You can look for
dental student to do your check and repair. Normally they only take one
thrid of the normal dentest. Good quality.

c*82011-12-03 08:12

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没做过仪器整机，但做过配件
1. 一般原厂或代理会有保修条款，里面写明保修范围，和运费的承担
2. 付款国内方面最好要求全款，一般这样操作国内的利润空间大，愿意做。
美国方面你若有公司 net 30 比较常见，可是一般开始做cash in advance 都问题不大
3. 正常报关可能会有很高关税，一般都在香港中转
4. 回扣你要愿意从你的利润里出就完了，羊毛出在羊身上

z*32011-12-03 08:12

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如果你想合作的话，我可以设计，你可以学。图纸节点详图，说明什么都可以搞定。

i*y2011-12-03 08:12

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technical specialist，有些firm会叫technology advisor
每周100个小时那么多啊？都干什么了？

，每周工作100小时也是家常便饭的事情，所以就算有压力，我也愿意去承担。
点。

【在 M******a 的大作中提到】

: 请教版上各位前辈：本人专业化学，发了14篇文章之后，对化学工作的前景深表失
: 望乃至绝望。当初对科研的激情早已化作鄙视。很严肃的在考虑能否有机会入专利
: 法一行。
: 之所以想到做专利，一是觉得还可以利用到多年所学，二是因为自己对写文章写东西
: 并没有排斥感，这些发表的文章也多半是自己所写，还算有点信心。自己多年科研，每周工作100小时也是家常便饭的事情，所以就算有压力，我也愿意去承担。
: 自己现在正在申请绿卡，运气如愿的话估摸半年之内可以批下来。所以想现在开始找
: 找看，但是刚开始考虑这方面内容，难免一头雾水。所以还是希望能得到各位指点。
: 自己经济上不宽裕，如果直接开始考LSAT申请法学院，投入的金钱和时间代价太大，
: 难以承受。不知道可不可以直接开始申请律所里给人打杂？应该申请technology
: specialist还是申请paralegal？

s*d2011-12-03 08:12

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employee自己是$16,500。加上employer另有一个limit，前几年是四万
多，现在不知道，应该有五万左右了。

m*s2011-12-03 08:12

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最好找华人牙医，就跟他说你是自费学生没有保险，很多牙医都会给你便宜不少的。
我上次在纽约唐人街补牙，本来牙已经烂的很严重了，要抽牙髓。结果我哭穷之后医生
收了200刀，全部负责弄好。

T*g2011-12-03 08:12

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谢谢cougar.
那怎么给国内买家开发票呢？他们需要发票的吧。用美国的公司开发票吗？还是需要在
国内成立一个公司，然后开国内的发票？

【在 c******8 的大作中提到】

: 没做过仪器整机，但做过配件
: 1. 一般原厂或代理会有保修条款，里面写明保修范围，和运费的承担
: 2. 付款国内方面最好要求全款，一般这样操作国内的利润空间大，愿意做。
: 美国方面你若有公司 net 30 比较常见，可是一般开始做cash in advance 都问题不大
: 3. 正常报关可能会有很高关税，一般都在香港中转
: 4. 回扣你要愿意从你的利润里出就完了，羊毛出在羊身上

M*a2011-12-03 08:12

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晚上2点睡觉，早上9点半开工，熬通宵也隔三岔五干过，一周七天。一年52周，这
样的日子过了2年。往事不堪回首。惨重的付出，换来几张不值钱的薄纸和彻骨的失
望。所以才会考虑转行。
如果找technical specialist或者scientific advisor，除了一个个律所的网站看过
去，还有其它更有效的办法吗？化学专业找工作有专门的全国性会议和job fair，律
所方面有类似的没？
谢谢

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

: technical specialist，有些firm会叫technology advisor
: 每周100个小时那么多啊？都干什么了？
:
: ，每周工作100小时也是家常便饭的事情，所以就算有压力，我也愿意去承担。
: 点。

S*92011-12-03 08:12

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谢谢你们的指导，我正在按你们建议的在网上搜索

c*82011-12-03 08:12

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一般国内买家直接向国外买，基本已经做好不要发票，不走正规渠道的准备，因为一旦
所有东西正规化，海关正规报关，他是赚不到太多钱的。
他非要抵扣啥，那么就这个抵扣也是海关的正规报关发票，应该是他自己搞，你出的东
西只是一个packing slip 加 invoice, 自己按模板做就可以了
为了开发票去国内成立公司，除非是每年有稳固的业务，否则根本不make sense

【在 T********g 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢cougar.
: 那怎么给国内买家开发票呢？他们需要发票的吧。用美国的公司开发票吗？还是需要在
: 国内成立一个公司，然后开国内的发票？

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

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中國專利律師飄過...
回國吧...偶一周工作45小時
年薪45萬
你要能一周干100小時.....

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

c*t2011-12-03 08:12

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要拿到这么多起码要国内的律师资格和专利资格都考过罢?

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 中國專利律師飄過...
: 回國吧...偶一周工作45小時
: 年薪45萬
: 你要能一周干100小時.....

j*g2011-12-03 08:12

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好奇的问一下国内的就业市场怎么样，尤其的对生物背景的。海外的教育背景有多大的
帮助？
我是已经不会再走这条路了，但是我肯定有很多生物人会很感兴趣。
谢谢。

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 中國專利律師飄過...
: 回國吧...偶一周工作45小時
: 年薪45萬
: 你要能一周干100小時.....

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

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生物背景意義不大
案子太少
偶是生物背景,現在成天做高分子和有機化學的案子...
不過英文底子好誰都想要的

【在 j****g 的大作中提到】

: 好奇的问一下国内的就业市场怎么样，尤其的对生物背景的。海外的教育背景有多大的
: 帮助？
: 我是已经不会再走这条路了，但是我肯定有很多生物人会很感兴趣。
: 谢谢。

j*g2011-12-03 08:12

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谢谢。

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 生物背景意義不大
: 案子太少
: 偶是生物背景,現在成天做高分子和有機化學的案子...
: 不過英文底子好誰都想要的

p*i2011-12-03 08:12

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很多生物和化学的PHD或千老，确实会达到一周100小时……就是重复的体力劳动，脑子
已经不会思考了……

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

i*y2011-12-03 08:12

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下次再见到你们老板，我倒是要问问他们，你们所哪个入行2年的新人一周工作45小时
，年薪45万
再问问如果一周干100小时，是不是就100万，呵呵。

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 中國專利律師飄過...
: 回國吧...偶一周工作45小時
: 年薪45萬
: 你要能一周干100小時.....

f*n2011-12-03 08:12

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要是我也会高分子和有機化學我也要考虑回国啊。。。

I*y2011-12-03 08:12

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大学里边的GE课程学过一些还不够？

【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】

: 要是我也会高分子和有機化學我也要考虑回国啊。。。

f*n2011-12-03 08:12

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GE 是 general engineering? 没学过，四大化学学过，基本上还给老师了。

I*y2011-12-03 08:12

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general education

【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】

: GE 是 general engineering? 没学过，四大化学学过，基本上还给老师了。

f*n2011-12-03 08:12

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不能够吧？

p*g2011-12-03 08:12

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你是律师，还是代理人？

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 中國專利律師飄過...
: 回國吧...偶一周工作45小時
: 年薪45萬
: 你要能一周干100小時.....

d*o2011-12-03 08:12

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人民币汇率虚高. 中国除了人工便宜,别的,衣,食(原料),住,行(除了公共交通),按汇
率计算,都比美国贵.
象你这样精通日语的,在美国工作,可以很轻松地一边聊天一边挣到15万美元以上,不用
加班. 见下面的两个例子. 如果干60小时一周,就是20多万美元.
这样的项目一年到头都很多. 上个月NYC付到$100/hr
Taylor Discovery Solutions, a division of Pat Taylor and Associates, Inc. is
currently staffing several large Japanese-language projects in DC and NY.
Start: Immediately
Duration: 3-5 months
Hours: 60 hours/week, Overtime paid after 40 hours
Location: Washington DC and NY City
Rate: $65-75/hour
Requirements: JD, barred in any jurisdiction and Japanese fluency
Resumes to Pat Taylor at p*[email protected]
____________________________________________________________________________________
Law Counsel Staffing seeks Japanese fluent attorneys and NON attorneys fluent in Japanese for a project starting immediately.
* We will consider candidates who can start sometime between Friday, Dec. 16th thru Wed. Dec. 21st.
* Hours are 40-60 per week.
* Duration is one month possibly longer.
* Location is top firm in DC.
8 Rate for licensed attorneys is $76.00 per hour plus 1.5 for OT. Rate for non licensed attorneys is $66.00 per hour plus 1.5 for OT.
For immediate consideration, please email resume to r*******[email protected]
Please also include your available start date and any schedule changes for the holidays.

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 中國專利律師飄過...
: 回國吧...偶一周工作45小時
: 年薪45萬
: 你要能一周干100小時.....

d*o2011-12-03 08:12

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涨到$85一小时了. 而且是一周60小时,加班的20小时是1.5倍的RATE, $127.5/hr
一周就是六千美元. 而且很轻松.
我有两个朋友就是短期自学日语以后去工作的.
不过人家可能有当年看动漫的基础.
我还认识一位韩国同学做日语项目的.
DC and NYC - increase in hourly rate on Japanese document review + $200
referral fee‏
NOTE: the client has increased the hourly rate on offer and the agency is
providing a $200 referral fee. The full post as amended follows:
Taylor Discovery Solutions, a division of Pat Taylor and Associates, Inc. is
currently staffing several large Japanese-language projects in DC and NY.
The details:
Start: Immediately
Duration: 3-5 months
Hours: 60 hours/week, Overtime paid after 40 hours
Location: Washington DC and New York City
Rate: $85.00 hr.
Requirements: JD, barred in any jurisdiction and Japanese fluency
Note: if you refer an candidate who is not in the Taylor Discovery Solutions
database and who is accepted by the client and who works on the project,
Taylor Discovery Solutions will provide a $200 referral fee.

Please submit all resumes to Pat Taylor: p*[email protected]

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

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偶上禮拜差不多干了100個小時...
快到年底案子太多...
然後發現其實100小時也沒啥...
中間有一次出庭口審大部份時間在喝咖啡...

【在 p******i 的大作中提到】

: 很多生物和化学的PHD或千老，确实会达到一周100小时……就是重复的体力劳动，脑子
: 已经不会思考了……

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

35 楼

我承認...
45小時是實際工作時間...
上mitbbs灌水時間不計...
所以你千萬別問啊...不然偶就暴露了
我們所一周干100小時的有,應該遠超過100萬

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

: 下次再见到你们老板，我倒是要问问他们，你们所哪个入行2年的新人一周工作45小时
: ，年薪45万
: 再问问如果一周干100小时，是不是就100万，呵呵。

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

36 楼

可惜偶沒JD啊...呵呵...
比不上這裡的各位大牛

is

【在 d********o 的大作中提到】

: 涨到$85一小时了. 而且是一周60小时,加班的20小时是1.5倍的RATE, $127.5/hr
: 一周就是六千美元. 而且很轻松.
: 我有两个朋友就是短期自学日语以后去工作的.
: 不过人家可能有当年看动漫的基础.
: 我还认识一位韩国同学做日语项目的.
: DC and NYC - increase in hourly rate on Japanese document review + $200
: referral fee‏
: NOTE: the client has increased the hourly rate on offer and the agency is
: providing a $200 referral fee. The full post as amended follows:
: Taylor Discovery Solutions, a division of Pat Taylor and Associates, Inc. is

d*o2011-12-03 08:12

37 楼

不是律师或者没有中美法律学位的都可以做.
有很多招日语的TRANSLATOR的,有的还可以在家做.
象下面的两个广告,我推荐给了我认识的一位NIH的博士后.
我的意思是,你精通英,日语,议价余地应该很大,除了工资,要多要奖金,多留意各种机会.
等到年纪大一点就不容易一个星期做很多小时了.
我以前认识一位在日本工作的女同学,有中国专代资格,挂靠在中国某律所名下,
实际生活在日本,专门为日本某律所FILE中国专利申请. 拿日本弁理士的收入.
她可能都不太精通日语.
我上大学的时候学过一点日语. 要是坚持下来就好了.
当年没有那么多AV, 我宿舍的一位室友硬是靠阅读图文并茂的风俗杂志学了不少----现
在海归当了厦门大学的教授.
Diamond Personnel has an immediate need for one or two Japanese fluent
translators to work on a remote assignment that is expected to last at least
one month, but could go significantly longer.
Candidates for this assignment must be fully fluent in Japanese (at a native
or near-native level), and should have experience translating/reviewing
highly technical documents from Japanese to English.
This assignment will be entirely remote and will pay $60/hr, plus OT. Heavy
hours are not expected at this time, although some OT is likely.
If you are interested in being considered for this assignment, please email
your resume in Word format to d************[email protected], with "Japanese
- Tech" in the subject line.
Thank you.
____________________________________________________________________________
Hudson Legal is staffing a Japanese-language projects starting this
week.
Start: Mid-this week (Week of December 5th)
Duration: 1-4 weeks
Hours: 40 hours/week
Location: Reston, VA
Rate: $65-70/hour
Requirements: Japanese fluency
If interested/qualified, please submit your resume with the subject
"HL30 Japanese" to
D************[email protected]
and answer the following questions in the body of the email:
1) Are you fluent in Japanese? Please describe your skill level
(ie. native, advanced, etc.)
2) Are you a licensed attorney, paralegal, or translator?
3) Are you registered with Hudson?

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 可惜偶沒JD啊...呵呵...
: 比不上這裡的各位大牛
:
: is

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

38 楼

呵呵...
偶回國主要不是在乎一時掙錢多少
還是看重的是發展的機會.
簡單的說吧,馬上我就要在一個invalidation proceedings中擔任代理人
當事人是一個大製藥公司,估計涉案金額保守一點也有幾千萬美元吧
這種機會在美國再過10年我也未必有機會參與infringement case或者inter partes
examination吧...

会.

【在 d********o 的大作中提到】

:
: 不是律师或者没有中美法律学位的都可以做.
: 有很多招日语的TRANSLATOR的,有的还可以在家做.
: 象下面的两个广告,我推荐给了我认识的一位NIH的博士后.
: 我的意思是,你精通英,日语,议价余地应该很大,除了工资,要多要奖金,多留意各种机会.
: 等到年纪大一点就不容易一个星期做很多小时了.
: 我以前认识一位在日本工作的女同学,有中国专代资格,挂靠在中国某律所名下,
: 实际生活在日本,专门为日本某律所FILE中国专利申请. 拿日本弁理士的收入.
: 她可能都不太精通日语.
: 我上大学的时候学过一点日语. 要是坚持下来就好了.

d*o2011-12-03 08:12

39 楼

这个说得挺好的.
比前面讲一周四十五小时多少万人民币有说服力.
如果要过安逸的生活,在美国相对容易.
很多工作傻子都能做.
有的白人自称会日语,靠GOOGLE TRANSLATION都能混.
在中国能做自己的事,还是很不错的.

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵...
: 偶回國主要不是在乎一時掙錢多少
: 還是看重的是發展的機會.
: 簡單的說吧,馬上我就要在一個invalidation proceedings中擔任代理人
: 當事人是一個大製藥公司,估計涉案金額保守一點也有幾千萬美元吧
: 這種機會在美國再過10年我也未必有機會參與infringement case或者inter partes
: examination吧...
:
: 会.

r*l2011-12-03 08:12

40 楼

It depends.
Sometimes, the Chinese or Janpanese proceedings, run by people in their
systems with insufficient training, would shock your conscience. I mean,
those involved made themselves total idiots on the paper record. Completely
wrong on the the conclusion, irrational regurgitating of misplaced logic,
makes me wonder why not just roll the dice?
Like the democracy system, seemingly to work in the US, but once transported
to any other country, it fails. So is the US or western IP system.
While it is highly commendable to have aspirations in China, by and large,
the patent system in China has not worked to promote innovation with reward
or incentives. In fact, even under the US patent system, no one ever
understood is it because the stuff is innovatitve, so it is patentable OR
because it is patentable, so it is innovative.

【在 d********o 的大作中提到】

:
: 这个说得挺好的.
: 比前面讲一周四十五小时多少万人民币有说服力.
: 如果要过安逸的生活,在美国相对容易.
: 很多工作傻子都能做.
: 有的白人自称会日语,靠GOOGLE TRANSLATION都能混.
: 在中国能做自己的事,还是很不错的.

r*l2011-12-03 08:12

41 楼

YOu can always try.
The truth is that patent law has been an exit option for bio or chem PhDs
for a long time. However, patent law, like any other law regulating commerce
, depends on a prosperous industry. With big pharmas running short on
pipelines and biotechs stagnating, bio/chem patent law has no growth. Also
keep in mind the number of PhDs being produced each year in all so-called
elite US schools alone, thanks to the liberal educational standards.
As of right now, it is an exit path travelled by way too many PhDs. So,
everyone is stuck and it may not be a path travellable with ease.

，每周工作100小时也是家常便饭的事情，所以就算有压力，我也愿意去承担。
点。

【在 M******a 的大作中提到】

i*y2011-12-03 08:12

42 楼

如果你说的是主持一个reexam，管理一个infringement，那么的确一般你要到senior
associate甚至partner才可以。
如果你说的只是“参与“，你上班第一天就可以啊，为什么你会觉得要等10年才可以？

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

43 楼

that gives you one more reason to hire the best local firm, not just the
cheapest one, if you reall care about your patent.
we have handled cases transferred from other firms and have to cover for
their mistakes in the file wrapper. that was painful. although in the end
we were able to salvage most of these cases, there were a few beyond repair.
anyway, US firms also have problems. many US patent attorneys are
unfamiliar with the EP system most other countries run. defending some US
patents under directions from some US attorneys makes me want to bang my
head against the wall....
good thing that US will change to a more EP-like system (albeit a lot of
holdover from the old ssytem)

Completely
transported
reward

【在 r***l 的大作中提到】

: It depends.
: Sometimes, the Chinese or Janpanese proceedings, run by people in their
: systems with insufficient training, would shock your conscience. I mean,
: those involved made themselves total idiots on the paper record. Completely
: wrong on the the conclusion, irrational regurgitating of misplaced logic,
: makes me wonder why not just roll the dice?
: Like the democracy system, seemingly to work in the US, but once transported
: to any other country, it fails. So is the US or western IP system.
: While it is highly commendable to have aspirations in China, by and large,
: the patent system in China has not worked to promote innovation with reward

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

44 楼

不是僅僅參與,參與的話我已經參與了很多個invalidation了
是作為代理人litigate這個案子.
當然是under the supervision of a senior attorney
兩邊都是重量級的製藥公司...在美國我真不知道這樣級別的案子有沒有可能輪到我做

【在 i****y 的大作中提到】

: 如果你说的是主持一个reexam，管理一个infringement，那么的确一般你要到senior
: associate甚至partner才可以。
: 如果你说的只是“参与“，你上班第一天就可以啊，为什么你会觉得要等10年才可以？

r*l2011-12-03 08:12

45 楼

have you ever looked at the rejections issued by the Chinese Patent Office?
My conclusion is that their patent examiners are not properly trained at all
. They make a**hole US patent examiners look like regulars.
I can also forward a link later, describing the dark side of the CHinese
judiciary system, how the judges take kick-backs from both sides under the
table. Do you really think that the judges and Justices of the Chinese
system even care about justice?
I recall when PFE defended its infamous Viagra patent in HK and CN, then-CEO
issued a company-wide memo, stating to the effect that they did NOT expect
to win, but they had to fight to signal something.
Got the point?
Assuming the US attorneys do not understand Chinese patent law, do you think
you could offer some hand-holding?
I cannot speak for the Chinese patent firms, so far, the Chinese patent law
reached the sophistication of other systems. The EP firms that we work with
never even bother to explain the nuances of EP law, neither procedural nor
substantive. We had to inquire specifically before we could understand what
they are talking about. To me, a software patent application can be allowed
in the US within nine months, but the counter-part EP application could
easily drag three years. I cannot imagine anyone would vouch for a EP system
.

end
repair.

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: that gives you one more reason to hire the best local firm, not just the
: cheapest one, if you reall care about your patent.
: we have handled cases transferred from other firms and have to cover for
: their mistakes in the file wrapper. that was painful. although in the end
: we were able to salvage most of these cases, there were a few beyond repair.
: anyway, US firms also have problems. many US patent attorneys are
: unfamiliar with the EP system most other countries run. defending some US
: patents under directions from some US attorneys makes me want to bang my
: head against the wall....
: good thing that US will change to a more EP-like system (albeit a lot of

B*t2011-12-03 08:12

46 楼

not sure what you are talking about...
PFE actually won their Viagra case.. which, from my point of view, should
have been invalidated. you are indicating PFE threw a lot of money to get
the favorable ruling? well I'd say that is not entirely impossible...
if you want to know more about how to prosecute patent under chinese aka EP
system, i would be happy to give a hand... but just do not think systems
from other countries are inferior just because they are different. obviously
all those congressmen did not think so, otherwise there would not be a
patent law change...

?
all
CEO
expect

【在 r***l 的大作中提到】

: have you ever looked at the rejections issued by the Chinese Patent Office?
: My conclusion is that their patent examiners are not properly trained at all
: . They make a**hole US patent examiners look like regulars.
: I can also forward a link later, describing the dark side of the CHinese
: judiciary system, how the judges take kick-backs from both sides under the
: table. Do you really think that the judges and Justices of the Chinese
: system even care about justice?
: I recall when PFE defended its infamous Viagra patent in HK and CN, then-CEO
: issued a company-wide memo, stating to the effect that they did NOT expect
: to win, but they had to fight to signal something.

r*l2011-12-03 08:12

47 楼

A tourist attraction in CHina has been counterfeit Viagra on the market (not
gray market, not black market).
If PFE won the Viagra case, and infringement persisted, what does this tell
us about CHinese patent law?
If PFE threw a lot of money at the CHinese system to win an otherwise losing
case and then could not enforce the court verdict, what does this tell you
about the Chinese system?
There is nothing personal here. If you learned everything about the Viagra
suit from the mouths of your colleagues and had never been to the court room
, read the briefings from both sides as it happened, or contemperaneously
examined the expert witnesses, then all you've got is mere hearsay. In a
similar vein, if you learned everything about the June 4th incident from
today's Chinese newspapers and media, then you are not qualified as an
expert to form an opinion that characterizes the incident.
US patent law sucks. I have never been a big fan of it. Very few of those A-
type a**holes got this right.
However, it seemed to have worked, at least in some instances in the past,
to protect, promote, and reward innovations. By contrast, Chinese patent law
, or IP law in general, has never worked. Considering rampant copy-cats
across all industries, Chinese patent law is, at best, a white elephant.
Nothing personal.
Amendment does not mean those at Congress really think that the current law
is inferior. As always, those a**holes on the Hill wanna job security, in a
collusive effort, to keep everyone busy.

EP
obviously

【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】

: not sure what you are talking about...
: PFE actually won their Viagra case.. which, from my point of view, should
: have been invalidated. you are indicating PFE threw a lot of money to get
: the favorable ruling? well I'd say that is not entirely impossible...
: if you want to know more about how to prosecute patent under chinese aka EP
: system, i would be happy to give a hand... but just do not think systems
: from other countries are inferior just because they are different. obviously
: all those congressmen did not think so, otherwise there would not be a
: patent law change...
: