e*n
2 楼
cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
"Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
handheld tests. "
测试原文在这里
http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
"Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
handheld tests. "
测试原文在这里
http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
f*r
3 楼
金子沒有暴漲，暴漲的是銀子
D*e
4 楼
窝里斗？
k*8
5 楼
这个真的不知道该相信谁了。我也看到mobile01上有人说GX7的机身防抖效果很差，比奥
巴的5轴弱不少.........
了:
still
GX7
my
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
: 2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
: "Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
: Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
: shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
: in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
: small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
: handheld tests. "
: 测试原文在这里
: http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
巴的5轴弱不少.........
了:
still
GX7
my
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
: 2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
: "Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
: Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
: shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
: in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
: small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
: handheld tests. "
: 测试原文在这里
: http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
e*n
6 楼
最近没去那些m43论坛吧, OP之间粉丝们斗的越来越带劲了. 队伍一大就不好带了阿.
呵呵
【在 D****e 的大作中提到】
: 窝里斗？
呵呵
【在 D****e 的大作中提到】
: 窝里斗？
e*n
7 楼
我信2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 哪怕反科学也信. :D 至少这个评测有图有真相.
比奥
【在 k******8 的大作中提到】
: 这个真的不知道该相信谁了。我也看到mobile01上有人说GX7的机身防抖效果很差，比奥
: 巴的5轴弱不少.........
:
: 了:
: still
: GX7
: my
比奥
【在 k******8 的大作中提到】
: 这个真的不知道该相信谁了。我也看到mobile01上有人说GX7的机身防抖效果很差，比奥
: 巴的5轴弱不少.........
:
: 了:
: still
: GX7
: my
J*o
8 楼
应该是半斤八两的牛逼啊- -
求给全副也搞一个
求给全副也搞一个
g*g
9 楼
也许它的EM5坏了
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 我信2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 哪怕反科学也信. :D 至少这个评测有图有真相.
:
: 比奥
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 我信2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 哪怕反科学也信. :D 至少这个评测有图有真相.
:
: 比奥
k*8
10 楼
哈哈，有可能。不过dp测e-p5的时候就发现在某些特定快门速度下会出现重影，就说明
有时机身防抖几乎没起作用。结果论坛有人反映在EM5上偶尔也会出现类似情况。所以对
奥巴的5轴真实效果一直抱怀疑态度啊。
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: 也许它的EM5坏了
有时机身防抖几乎没起作用。结果论坛有人反映在EM5上偶尔也会出现类似情况。所以对
奥巴的5轴真实效果一直抱怀疑态度啊。
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: 也许它的EM5坏了
e*n
11 楼
我觉得是GX7太强了.
LCD取景. 低于安全快门6档!
EVF取景. 低于安全快门7档!
这个还是用的机械快门. 用电子快门抖动会更小
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: 也许它的EM5坏了
LCD取景. 低于安全快门6档!
EVF取景. 低于安全快门7档!
这个还是用的机械快门. 用电子快门抖动会更小
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: 也许它的EM5坏了
g*g
12 楼
艾玛， 说的我都心动了。。就是尼玛P家的价格太坑爹。。。 要不是进价低， 估计只
赔不赚， 而且它家的系列太多，一会儿一个， 眼花缭乱的
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得是GX7太强了.
: LCD取景. 低于安全快门6档!
: EVF取景. 低于安全快门7档!
: 这个还是用的机械快门. 用电子快门抖动会更小
赔不赚， 而且它家的系列太多，一会儿一个， 眼花缭乱的
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得是GX7太强了.
: LCD取景. 低于安全快门6档!
: EVF取景. 低于安全快门7档!
: 这个还是用的机械快门. 用电子快门抖动会更小
e*n
13 楼
嗯. 镜头也更新太快. 买了X1442饼没乐2天, 1232饼就出来了.
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: 艾玛， 说的我都心动了。。就是尼玛P家的价格太坑爹。。。 要不是进价低， 估计只
: 赔不赚， 而且它家的系列太多，一会儿一个， 眼花缭乱的
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: 艾玛， 说的我都心动了。。就是尼玛P家的价格太坑爹。。。 要不是进价低， 估计只
: 赔不赚， 而且它家的系列太多，一会儿一个， 眼花缭乱的
l*8
14 楼
X1442是powerzoom,1232饼不是吧
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 嗯. 镜头也更新太快. 买了X1442饼没乐2天, 1232饼就出来了.
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 嗯. 镜头也更新太快. 买了X1442饼没乐2天, 1232饼就出来了.
e*n
15 楼
嗯. 好像是没有. 不过还是更喜欢1232
【在 l*********8 的大作中提到】
: X1442是powerzoom,1232饼不是吧
【在 l*********8 的大作中提到】
: X1442是powerzoom,1232饼不是吧
J*n
16 楼
关西V5+1+1
c*s
17 楼
拍微距的话2轴还是不行吧
了:
still
GX7
my
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
: 2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
: "Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
: Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
: shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
: in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
: small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
: handheld tests. "
: 测试原文在这里
: http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
了:
still
GX7
my
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
: 2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
: "Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
: Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
: shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
: in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
: small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
: handheld tests. "
: 测试原文在这里
: http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
w*g
18 楼
非常怀疑这个结果，狼头哥不是两台机器都有末，让他有空自己测一个给大家看看吧
了:
still
GX7
my
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
: 2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
: "Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
: Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
: shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
: in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
: small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
: handheld tests. "
: 测试原文在这里
: http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
了:
still
GX7
my
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: cherry pick出一个GX7的2轴防抖比EM5的5轴防抖还有效的评测. 哈哈哈
: 2轴防抖比5轴防抖好, 而且margin还不小. 这个反科学的结果把测试者自己也吓死了:
: "Contrary to my assumption prior to testing this out, I’ve found the
: Panasonic IBIS to be BETTER than the Olympus 5 axis IBIS for handheld still
: shots, at least in more than one scenario with the EM5 yet to trump the GX7
: in the tests I’ve done. Seriously, you didn’t misread that, and not by a
: small margin. The new Panasonic 2 axis IBIS blew the 5 axis IBIS away in my
: handheld tests. "
: 测试原文在这里
: http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-g
m*l
19 楼
这个测试有问题，他的机器坏了，或者是有shutter shock。我刚才随便用1/3秒拍了一
下，GX7出来的很难sharp，图就不贴了。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 非常怀疑这个结果，狼头哥不是两台机器都有末，让他有空自己测一个给大家看看吧
:
: 了:
: still
: GX7
: my
b*r
20 楼
一两幅图有个屁意义
打个比方，我打枪和拍照时，手抖动的情况都差不多，手抖厉害的多打几枪也能打中10
环，挑那张给你看不就行了
打个比方，我打枪和拍照时，手抖动的情况都差不多，手抖厉害的多打几枪也能打中10
环，挑那张给你看不就行了
m*l
21 楼
10
被你说中了，这个人的评测方法就是连拍好几张，然后选一个最清楚的，他自己承认了
。
【在 b****r 的大作中提到】
: 一两幅图有个屁意义
: 打个比方，我打枪和拍照时，手抖动的情况都差不多，手抖厉害的多打几枪也能打中10
: 环，挑那张给你看不就行了
e*n
22 楼
原文作者在受到众多藕粉质疑的情况下做了更多的测试, 针对几个最普遍的疑问特别作
出了解释.
1. 质疑原文作者的EM5坏了. 呵呵
"My EM5, while not without its own problems over the time I've had it, is
just fine, in fact it was basically rebuilt after a journey back to Oly for
faulty electronics. "
"I have a lot of cameras, so I’ve explained to all of them not to take it
personally when I’m done with them and the EM5, while not without its
quirks, has served me well for the last 18 months or so. "
2. 质疑原文作者的"一两幅图有个屁意义", "连拍好几张，然后选一个最清楚的"
"It was only the 400mm shot where I took 10/12 shots, with all other tests
it has been a couple, maybe three or four for the first tests as I was more
curious at the beginning of this test, at each setting, sometimes a single
at the longer speeds, or if they’re acceptably sharp then one works and I
move on. When shooting at under a tenth of a second or so, I wanted to make
sure that I could get the best result possible when taking into account me
and my motion being the main variable. On the newer series, each camera got
one shot at each setting with the exception of the 0.4 – 1 second exposures
where I did take two for some if my first shot was obviously mucked up from
me moving."
原文作者又做了几组测试, 整体感觉还是没有变, 就是在1秒-1/25s之间"consistently
been in favor of the GX7".
"Just do it objectively and I think you’ll find that the GX7 outdoes the
EM5 when shooting between about a second (seriously, I got sharp 1 second
exposures!) and about 1/25 second.
The EM5 has more consistently struggled at these slow shutter speeds. They'
re not very practical shutter speeds, granted, and the EM5 does really well
in most every other situation, but handholding in these conditions have
consistently been in favor of the GX7. I honestly don't know why, but I
would say that 75% of the time, at shutter speeds at or below 1/15 sec, when
using the Oly75, PL25 and Lumix 20, the GX7 does better."
这个是GX7的0.6秒曝光. 低于安全快门5档
出了解释.
1. 质疑原文作者的EM5坏了. 呵呵
"My EM5, while not without its own problems over the time I've had it, is
just fine, in fact it was basically rebuilt after a journey back to Oly for
faulty electronics. "
"I have a lot of cameras, so I’ve explained to all of them not to take it
personally when I’m done with them and the EM5, while not without its
quirks, has served me well for the last 18 months or so. "
2. 质疑原文作者的"一两幅图有个屁意义", "连拍好几张，然后选一个最清楚的"
"It was only the 400mm shot where I took 10/12 shots, with all other tests
it has been a couple, maybe three or four for the first tests as I was more
curious at the beginning of this test, at each setting, sometimes a single
at the longer speeds, or if they’re acceptably sharp then one works and I
move on. When shooting at under a tenth of a second or so, I wanted to make
sure that I could get the best result possible when taking into account me
and my motion being the main variable. On the newer series, each camera got
one shot at each setting with the exception of the 0.4 – 1 second exposures
where I did take two for some if my first shot was obviously mucked up from
me moving."
原文作者又做了几组测试, 整体感觉还是没有变, 就是在1秒-1/25s之间"consistently
been in favor of the GX7".
"Just do it objectively and I think you’ll find that the GX7 outdoes the
EM5 when shooting between about a second (seriously, I got sharp 1 second
exposures!) and about 1/25 second.
The EM5 has more consistently struggled at these slow shutter speeds. They'
re not very practical shutter speeds, granted, and the EM5 does really well
in most every other situation, but handholding in these conditions have
consistently been in favor of the GX7. I honestly don't know why, but I
would say that 75% of the time, at shutter speeds at or below 1/15 sec, when
using the Oly75, PL25 and Lumix 20, the GX7 does better."
这个是GX7的0.6秒曝光. 低于安全快门5档
e*n
23 楼
有的测试说GX7防抖比EM5差很多, 有的测试说GX7防抖比EM5差不到一档, 有的测试说
GX7防抖比EM5好, 假设大家的机器无论是GX7还是EM5都工作正常, 测试也没有偏心, 怎
么解释这些现象呢?
GX7和EM5防抖都在X和Y轴移动上做compensation, EM5的区别是增加了X,Y和Z轴的旋转
的compensation.
我的hypothesis是: GX7对X和Y轴轴向移动的防抖效果比EM5的好.
所以如果测试者的抖动方式大部分是XY轴向移动, 那么GX7的防抖效果就比EM5好. 如果
测试者的抖动方式比较复杂, 不光在XY轴向移动, 还扭来扭去的(比如按快门太重就会
造成Z轴旋转), 那么EM5补偿的比较全面, 所以对于这些测试者来说, EM5的防抖就更有
效.
GX7防抖比EM5好, 假设大家的机器无论是GX7还是EM5都工作正常, 测试也没有偏心, 怎
么解释这些现象呢?
GX7和EM5防抖都在X和Y轴移动上做compensation, EM5的区别是增加了X,Y和Z轴的旋转
的compensation.
我的hypothesis是: GX7对X和Y轴轴向移动的防抖效果比EM5的好.
所以如果测试者的抖动方式大部分是XY轴向移动, 那么GX7的防抖效果就比EM5好. 如果
测试者的抖动方式比较复杂, 不光在XY轴向移动, 还扭来扭去的(比如按快门太重就会
造成Z轴旋转), 那么EM5补偿的比较全面, 所以对于这些测试者来说, EM5的防抖就更有
效.
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