k*e
2 楼
烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
里面有这么两条:
“.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
same to be payable over twelve months"
非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
感激不尽...
里面有这么两条:
“.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
same to be payable over twelve months"
非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
感激不尽...
t*t
3 楼
先说背景:
我,08年F1入美,10年5月毕业转OPT,11年10月转H1B。(11年底到今年2月初在国内)
老婆,09年F2入美,10年回国转F1入美,目前F1在读。
问题:1,如果我想按resident报税,必须用1st year choice,然后file extension,
等一段时间才能file federal return吧?因为有一个多月没在美国,这个等的时间会
不会相应变长?(要满足75%那个条件)
2.如果按照resident,married filing jointly,我们俩的学费有没有可能报进去?老婆
目前没有SSN,所以w7要和federal return一起交,但是federal return要是想报学费
的话需要1098T,这张表可以直接找学校要吗?
多谢了!
我,08年F1入美,10年5月毕业转OPT,11年10月转H1B。(11年底到今年2月初在国内)
老婆,09年F2入美,10年回国转F1入美,目前F1在读。
问题:1,如果我想按resident报税,必须用1st year choice,然后file extension,
等一段时间才能file federal return吧?因为有一个多月没在美国,这个等的时间会
不会相应变长?(要满足75%那个条件)
2.如果按照resident,married filing jointly,我们俩的学费有没有可能报进去?老婆
目前没有SSN,所以w7要和federal return一起交,但是federal return要是想报学费
的话需要1098T,这张表可以直接找学校要吗?
多谢了!
x*n
4 楼
古琴加键盘盲山寨一段古琴小曲儿,厚着脸皮等包子,嘿嘿
g*r
5 楼
不是XE版的,就是普通的RC版
似乎官方是不支持Ubuntu或者Debian的
似乎官方是不支持Ubuntu或者Debian的
z*e
6 楼
google in-app-billing
那我能不能把游戏中一些关卡设置成要付费的?
有人这样成功做过吗?
那我能不能把游戏中一些关卡设置成要付费的?
有人这样成功做过吗?
l*s
7 楼
9个月5万,但是可以分到12个月拿
by
the
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
: 里面有这么两条:
: “.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
: Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
: XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
: this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
: 是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
: 要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
: same to be payable over twelve months"
: 非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
by
the
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
: 里面有这么两条:
: “.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
: Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
: XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
: this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
: 是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
: 要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
: same to be payable over twelve months"
: 非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
r*a
8 楼
You cannot file as resident. But you may file as NR before/on Apr 17 of 2012
. Or file extension and pay possible tax due before/on Apr 17 of 2012, Then
wait till you stay 153 days of 2012 (because you have 1 month from 2011,
3months/3=1 month) to meet substantial presence test (183 days) and file as
Dual-status.
see restrictions for dual-status:
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 先说背景:
: 我,08年F1入美,10年5月毕业转OPT,11年10月转H1B。(11年底到今年2月初在国内)
: 老婆,09年F2入美,10年回国转F1入美,目前F1在读。
: 问题:1,如果我想按resident报税,必须用1st year choice,然后file extension,
: 等一段时间才能file federal return吧?因为有一个多月没在美国,这个等的时间会
: 不会相应变长?(要满足75%那个条件)
: 2.如果按照resident,married filing jointly,我们俩的学费有没有可能报进去?老婆
: 目前没有SSN,所以w7要和federal return一起交,但是federal return要是想报学费
: 的话需要1098T,这张表可以直接找学校要吗?
: 多谢了!
k*e
11 楼
那如果summer上课的话,还是5万么。。还是不管summer上不上课都是5万分12个月拿..
..
..
t*t
12 楼
如果file as dual-status的话,能不能take $5000 treaty? pub 519 page 8左下角
写的如果要take treaty必须按照NR file?
另一个关于dual-status的问题:dual status需要填both 1040NR和1040,1040NR line
8应该是填前9个月的收入,line 22填5000,23填(line8-line22)对吧?但是1040的
line 7应该填全年收入还是后三个月的收入?另外1040NR上算出来的tax应该放到1040
的什么地方?
2012
Then
as
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
:
: You cannot file as resident. But you may file as NR before/on Apr 17 of 2012
: . Or file extension and pay possible tax due before/on Apr 17 of 2012, Then
: wait till you stay 153 days of 2012 (because you have 1 month from 2011,
: 3months/3=1 month) to meet substantial presence test (183 days) and file as
: Dual-status.
: see restrictions for dual-status:
: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id
写的如果要take treaty必须按照NR file?
另一个关于dual-status的问题:dual status需要填both 1040NR和1040,1040NR line
8应该是填前9个月的收入,line 22填5000,23填(line8-line22)对吧?但是1040的
line 7应该填全年收入还是后三个月的收入?另外1040NR上算出来的tax应该放到1040
的什么地方?
2012
Then
as
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
:
: You cannot file as resident. But you may file as NR before/on Apr 17 of 2012
: . Or file extension and pay possible tax due before/on Apr 17 of 2012, Then
: wait till you stay 153 days of 2012 (because you have 1 month from 2011,
: 3months/3=1 month) to meet substantial presence test (183 days) and file as
: Dual-status.
: see restrictions for dual-status:
: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id
M*s
15 楼
跪得好
by
the
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
: 里面有这么两条:
: “.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
: Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
: XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
: this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
: 是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
: 要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
: same to be payable over twelve months"
: 非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
by
the
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
: 里面有这么两条:
: “.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
: Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
: XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
: this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
: 是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
: 要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
: same to be payable over twelve months"
: 非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
r*a
16 楼
当然可以用, treaty只和visa status有关,和报税状态无关。
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch06.html
在最下面"TIPS", IRS给了个例子,并且填了表格,非常有借鉴作用。
line
1040
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 如果file as dual-status的话,能不能take $5000 treaty? pub 519 page 8左下角
: 写的如果要take treaty必须按照NR file?
: 另一个关于dual-status的问题:dual status需要填both 1040NR和1040,1040NR line
: 8应该是填前9个月的收入,line 22填5000,23填(line8-line22)对吧?但是1040的
: line 7应该填全年收入还是后三个月的收入?另外1040NR上算出来的tax应该放到1040
: 的什么地方?
:
: 2012
: Then
: as
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch06.html
在最下面"TIPS", IRS给了个例子,并且填了表格,非常有借鉴作用。
line
1040
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 如果file as dual-status的话,能不能take $5000 treaty? pub 519 page 8左下角
: 写的如果要take treaty必须按照NR file?
: 另一个关于dual-status的问题:dual status需要填both 1040NR和1040,1040NR line
: 8应该是填前9个月的收入,line 22填5000,23填(line8-line22)对吧?但是1040的
: line 7应该填全年收入还是后三个月的收入?另外1040NR上算出来的tax应该放到1040
: 的什么地方?
:
: 2012
: Then
: as
w*5
18 楼
这5万就是9个月的工资,如果暑期讲课另算。你可以自己选择是把这5万分9个月或12个
月付给你。这主要是针对一般老美,如果把九个月的工资九个月都付了,他们会把钱都
花了。学校怕他们那3个月没有收入成为无家可归的人。但这个条款对一般中国人无意
义。
by
the
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
: 里面有这么两条:
: “.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
: Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
: XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
: this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
: 是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
: 要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
: same to be payable over twelve months"
: 非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
月付给你。这主要是针对一般老美,如果把九个月的工资九个月都付了,他们会把钱都
花了。学校怕他们那3个月没有收入成为无家可归的人。但这个条款对一般中国人无意
义。
by
the
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 烂teaching school邮寄来offer letter
: 里面有这么两条:
: “.......Assistant Professor(tenure track)in the Department of Computer
: Science, for the period beginning August 16,2010, and ending May 13, 2011
: XXXX shall pay YYYY an annual salary of $50,000 for the services rendered by
: this Agreement, the same to be payable over twelve months.”
: 是说九个月$50K么还是12个月50K呢
: 要是12个月$50K的话,但服务期只有9个月. 要是9个月$50K的话但为什么最后又说"the
: same to be payable over twelve months"
: 非常困惑...跪求牛人指点一下......
t*t
19 楼
那个表格我看了,1040的部分没大看懂,1040NR上算出来的税是怎么放到1040里去的?
另外,NR部分的收入已经在1040NR上计算过tax了,在1040 line 7却没有除去NR部分的
收入,不算double-taxation么?
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 当然可以用, treaty只和visa status有关,和报税状态无关。
: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch06.html
: 在最下面"TIPS", IRS给了个例子,并且填了表格,非常有借鉴作用。
:
: line
: 1040
另外,NR部分的收入已经在1040NR上计算过tax了,在1040 line 7却没有除去NR部分的
收入,不算double-taxation么?
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 当然可以用, treaty只和visa status有关,和报税状态无关。
: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch06.html
: 在最下面"TIPS", IRS给了个例子,并且填了表格,非常有借鉴作用。
:
: line
: 1040
W*d
21 楼
Why do you call it 烂teaching school, are you going to call yourself 烂man
if you accept the offer? Give yourself a bit respect!
if you accept the offer? Give yourself a bit respect!
r*a
22 楼
http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 那个表格我看了,1040的部分没大看懂,1040NR上算出来的税是怎么放到1040里去的?
: 另外,NR部分的收入已经在1040NR上计算过tax了,在1040 line 7却没有除去NR部分的
: 收入,不算double-taxation么?
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 那个表格我看了,1040的部分没大看懂,1040NR上算出来的税是怎么放到1040里去的?
: 另外,NR部分的收入已经在1040NR上计算过tax了,在1040 line 7却没有除去NR部分的
: 收入,不算double-taxation么?
z*1
24 楼
是不是5万工资按9个月发比按12个月发交的税要高一些呢?不过来年报税是可以再拿回
来。
来。
t*t
25 楼
所以我现在应该做的是:
1)用1040NR,按照全年NR算税。(这张称为1040NR-1)
2)file extension,同时按照1040NR-1上的数补税
3)等到2012年的substantiial presence test满足之后,file 1040 as dual-status,
用一张新的1040NR(用前9个月income算税)做statement。
对么?
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
1)用1040NR,按照全年NR算税。(这张称为1040NR-1)
2)file extension,同时按照1040NR-1上的数补税
3)等到2012年的substantiial presence test满足之后,file 1040 as dual-status,
用一张新的1040NR(用前9个月income算税)做statement。
对么?
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
t*t
27 楼
9个月按12月发
r*a
28 楼
1),2)不对。 1)2)还是以你3)里1040的税数字为准。
再读读: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
你保税是dual-status, 1040NR和1040都要用到,没有软件
可以帮忙,自己手写。 在1040NR首页顶部写"dual-status st
atement", 在1040首页顶部写"dual-status return"
. 1040NR只是走个形式,保税数字以1040上的为准。。。
你不需要做1)。
4。17前做2)。
然后时间满足后做你说的3)。
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 所以我现在应该做的是:
: 1)用1040NR,按照全年NR算税。(这张称为1040NR-1)
: 2)file extension,同时按照1040NR-1上的数补税
: 3)等到2012年的substantiial presence test满足之后,file 1040 as dual-status,
: 用一张新的1040NR(用前9个月income算税)做statement。
: 对么?
再读读: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
你保税是dual-status, 1040NR和1040都要用到,没有软件
可以帮忙,自己手写。 在1040NR首页顶部写"dual-status st
atement", 在1040首页顶部写"dual-status return"
. 1040NR只是走个形式,保税数字以1040上的为准。。。
你不需要做1)。
4。17前做2)。
然后时间满足后做你说的3)。
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 所以我现在应该做的是:
: 1)用1040NR,按照全年NR算税。(这张称为1040NR-1)
: 2)file extension,同时按照1040NR-1上的数补税
: 3)等到2012年的substantiial presence test满足之后,file 1040 as dual-status,
: 用一张新的1040NR(用前9个月income算税)做statement。
: 对么?
t*t
31 楼
多谢
那么我在填1040的时候,status可以填married filing jointly吗?还是必须用
married filing separately?(pub 519,page 10,nonresident spouse treated as
a resident部分,我能不能make this choice?)
n"
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 1),2)不对。 1)2)还是以你3)里1040的税数字为准。
: 再读读: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
: 你保税是dual-status, 1040NR和1040都要用到,没有软件
: 可以帮忙,自己手写。 在1040NR首页顶部写"dual-status st
: atement", 在1040首页顶部写"dual-status return"
: . 1040NR只是走个形式,保税数字以1040上的为准。。。
: 你不需要做1)。
: 4。17前做2)。
: 然后时间满足后做你说的3)。
那么我在填1040的时候,status可以填married filing jointly吗?还是必须用
married filing separately?(pub 519,page 10,nonresident spouse treated as
a resident部分,我能不能make this choice?)
n"
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 1),2)不对。 1)2)还是以你3)里1040的税数字为准。
: 再读读: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/TAX/31288429_0.html
: 你保税是dual-status, 1040NR和1040都要用到,没有软件
: 可以帮忙,自己手写。 在1040NR首页顶部写"dual-status st
: atement", 在1040首页顶部写"dual-status return"
: . 1040NR只是走个形式,保税数字以1040上的为准。。。
: 你不需要做1)。
: 4。17前做2)。
: 然后时间满足后做你说的3)。
r*a
34 楼
你如果和你老婆一起file tax as dual-status, 难道不应该选married filing
jointly嘛。
pub 519,page 10说的和你无关,你们是dual-status, 不是resident.
as
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 多谢
: 那么我在填1040的时候,status可以填married filing jointly吗?还是必须用
: married filing separately?(pub 519,page 10,nonresident spouse treated as
: a resident部分,我能不能make this choice?)
:
: n"
jointly嘛。
pub 519,page 10说的和你无关,你们是dual-status, 不是resident.
as
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 多谢
: 那么我在填1040的时候,status可以填married filing jointly吗?还是必须用
: married filing separately?(pub 519,page 10,nonresident spouse treated as
: a resident部分,我能不能make this choice?)
:
: n"
t*t
35 楼
我觉得有关吧?
page10的原文是"If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one
spouse is a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a
nonresident alien, you can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S.
resident. This includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident
alien at the beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of
the year, and the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end of the year
.”
我觉得我属于这个"this includes"的情况。
如果是按照dual-status的话,Pub519, chap 6, page 33,restriction 4明确说you
cannot file a joint return,跟着的"however"就带到pub519, page 9的“choosing
resident alien status”,然后这一项下面的一个note就指向了“Nonresident
Spouse Treated as a Resident”,就是page 10了...
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 你如果和你老婆一起file tax as dual-status, 难道不应该选married filing
: jointly嘛。
: pub 519,page 10说的和你无关,你们是dual-status, 不是resident.
:
: as
page10的原文是"If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one
spouse is a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a
nonresident alien, you can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S.
resident. This includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident
alien at the beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of
the year, and the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end of the year
.”
我觉得我属于这个"this includes"的情况。
如果是按照dual-status的话,Pub519, chap 6, page 33,restriction 4明确说you
cannot file a joint return,跟着的"however"就带到pub519, page 9的“choosing
resident alien status”,然后这一项下面的一个note就指向了“Nonresident
Spouse Treated as a Resident”,就是page 10了...
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 你如果和你老婆一起file tax as dual-status, 难道不应该选married filing
: jointly嘛。
: pub 519,page 10说的和你无关,你们是dual-status, 不是resident.
:
: as
r*a
36 楼
你们夫妻俩没有一个是美国公民,没有一个是resident alien.
你们夫妻俩一个是dual-status, 另一个是NR, 然后NR”沾“了dual-status的“光”,
就都是dual-status.
.
year
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有关吧?
: page10的原文是"If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one
: spouse is a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a
: nonresident alien, you can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S.
: resident. This includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident
: alien at the beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of
: the year, and the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end of the year
: .”
: 我觉得我属于这个"this includes"的情况。
: 如果是按照dual-status的话,Pub519, chap 6, page 33,restriction 4明确说you
你们夫妻俩一个是dual-status, 另一个是NR, 然后NR”沾“了dual-status的“光”,
就都是dual-status.
.
year
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有关吧?
: page10的原文是"If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one
: spouse is a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a
: nonresident alien, you can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S.
: resident. This includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident
: alien at the beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of
: the year, and the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end of the year
: .”
: 我觉得我属于这个"this includes"的情况。
: 如果是按照dual-status的话,Pub519, chap 6, page 33,restriction 4明确说you
t*t
37 楼
那么如果按dual status报的话就不能file joint return啊?这个pub519 page 33说的
很清楚了...
另外pub519也明确说了first-year choice在file 4868时候应该用1040NR来估算欠税数
额:
page9:"To request Resident an extension to file until October 15, 2012, use
Form 4868, Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File U.S.
Individual Income Tax Return. You can file the paper form or use one of the
electronic filing options explained in the Form 4868 instructions. You
should pay with this extension the amount of tax you expect to owe for 2011
figured as if you were a nonresident alien the entire year. You can use Form
1040NR or Form 1040NR-EZ to figure the tax. Enter the the tax on Form 4868."
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 你们夫妻俩没有一个是美国公民,没有一个是resident alien.
: 你们夫妻俩一个是dual-status, 另一个是NR, 然后NR”沾“了dual-status的“光”,
: 就都是dual-status.
:
: .
: year
很清楚了...
另外pub519也明确说了first-year choice在file 4868时候应该用1040NR来估算欠税数
额:
page9:"To request Resident an extension to file until October 15, 2012, use
Form 4868, Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File U.S.
Individual Income Tax Return. You can file the paper form or use one of the
electronic filing options explained in the Form 4868 instructions. You
should pay with this extension the amount of tax you expect to owe for 2011
figured as if you were a nonresident alien the entire year. You can use Form
1040NR or Form 1040NR-EZ to figure the tax. Enter the the tax on Form 4868."
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 你们夫妻俩没有一个是美国公民,没有一个是resident alien.
: 你们夫妻俩一个是dual-status, 另一个是NR, 然后NR”沾“了dual-status的“光”,
: 就都是dual-status.
:
: .
: year
r*a
38 楼
我自己没有过dual-status, 只是有点小兴趣大概了解一些知识。但没有象你这样钻得
这么细。
sorry, 详细的讨论恕我无法跟进,请别的大牛指证。 你的钻研精神,很赞! :-)
我刚才读了一下, 你们不满足page33, restriction 4) 里"however"的情况,看来是不能jointly filing.
一般情况,1040比1040NR退回来的多,所以4868用NR算,就是说先让你预先多交点钱。
use
the
2011
Form
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 那么如果按dual status报的话就不能file joint return啊?这个pub519 page 33说的
: 很清楚了...
: 另外pub519也明确说了first-year choice在file 4868时候应该用1040NR来估算欠税数
: 额:
: page9:"To request Resident an extension to file until October 15, 2012, use
: Form 4868, Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File U.S.
: Individual Income Tax Return. You can file the paper form or use one of the
: electronic filing options explained in the Form 4868 instructions. You
: should pay with this extension the amount of tax you expect to owe for 2011
: figured as if you were a nonresident alien the entire year. You can use Form
这么细。
sorry, 详细的讨论恕我无法跟进,请别的大牛指证。 你的钻研精神,很赞! :-)
我刚才读了一下, 你们不满足page33, restriction 4) 里"however"的情况,看来是不能jointly filing.
一般情况,1040比1040NR退回来的多,所以4868用NR算,就是说先让你预先多交点钱。
use
the
2011
Form
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 那么如果按dual status报的话就不能file joint return啊?这个pub519 page 33说的
: 很清楚了...
: 另外pub519也明确说了first-year choice在file 4868时候应该用1040NR来估算欠税数
: 额:
: page9:"To request Resident an extension to file until October 15, 2012, use
: Form 4868, Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File U.S.
: Individual Income Tax Return. You can file the paper form or use one of the
: electronic filing options explained in the Form 4868 instructions. You
: should pay with this extension the amount of tax you expect to owe for 2011
: figured as if you were a nonresident alien the entire year. You can use Form
t*t
39 楼
没事,毕竟是自己兜里的钱,能争一点算一点...不跟你讨论这么多我也不会看519看这
么细...嘿嘿
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 我自己没有过dual-status, 只是有点小兴趣大概了解一些知识。但没有象你这样钻得
: 这么细。
: sorry, 详细的讨论恕我无法跟进,请别的大牛指证。 你的钻研精神,很赞! :-)
: 我刚才读了一下, 你们不满足page33, restriction 4) 里"however"的情况,看来是不能jointly filing.
: 一般情况,1040比1040NR退回来的多,所以4868用NR算,就是说先让你预先多交点钱。
:
: use
: the
: 2011
: Form
么细...嘿嘿
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 我自己没有过dual-status, 只是有点小兴趣大概了解一些知识。但没有象你这样钻得
: 这么细。
: sorry, 详细的讨论恕我无法跟进,请别的大牛指证。 你的钻研精神,很赞! :-)
: 我刚才读了一下, 你们不满足page33, restriction 4) 里"however"的情况,看来是不能jointly filing.
: 一般情况,1040比1040NR退回来的多,所以4868用NR算,就是说先让你预先多交点钱。
:
: use
: the
: 2011
: Form
t*t
40 楼
明天IRS的local office都应该关门吧?看看找一天去local office问清楚...
r*a
43 楼
点了"however"的link, 就会跳到第9页。 内容如下:
If you are a dual-status alien, you can choose to
be treated as a U.S. resident for the entire year if
ALL of the following apply.
· You were a nonresident alien at the begin-
ning of the year.
· You are a resident alien or U.S. citizen at
the end of the year.
· You are married to a U.S. citizen or resi-
dent alien at the end of the year.
· Your spouse joins you in making the
choice.
This includes situations in which both you and
your spouse were nonresident aliens at the be-
ginning of the tax year and both of you are
resident aliens at the end of the tax year.
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 详细解释?
:
: (如果欠税的话)。
If you are a dual-status alien, you can choose to
be treated as a U.S. resident for the entire year if
ALL of the following apply.
· You were a nonresident alien at the begin-
ning of the year.
· You are a resident alien or U.S. citizen at
the end of the year.
· You are married to a U.S. citizen or resi-
dent alien at the end of the year.
· Your spouse joins you in making the
choice.
This includes situations in which both you and
your spouse were nonresident aliens at the be-
ginning of the tax year and both of you are
resident aliens at the end of the tax year.
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 详细解释?
:
: (如果欠税的话)。
t*t
44 楼
没错,不过继续读下去的第二个note是不是起作用呢?
anyway我会去IRS local office问清楚的
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 点了"however"的link, 就会跳到第9页。 内容如下:
: If you are a dual-status alien, you can choose to
: be treated as a U.S. resident for the entire year if
: ALL of the following apply.
: · You were a nonresident alien at the begin-
: ning of the year.
: · You are a resident alien or U.S. citizen at
: the end of the year.
: · You are married to a U.S. citizen or resi-
: dent alien at the end of the year.
anyway我会去IRS local office问清楚的
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 点了"however"的link, 就会跳到第9页。 内容如下:
: If you are a dual-status alien, you can choose to
: be treated as a U.S. resident for the entire year if
: ALL of the following apply.
: · You were a nonresident alien at the begin-
: ning of the year.
: · You are a resident alien or U.S. citizen at
: the end of the year.
: · You are married to a U.S. citizen or resi-
: dent alien at the end of the year.
t*t
48 楼
看来IRS也不能全信...电话上等了一个多小时,然后告诉我我只能按NR全年报税...are
you friggin kidding me?first year choice写的那么明白,我在电话里跟他一页一
页对,他还是说不行,但是他明显没底气...明天再打,换个人问问。
不过看来resident for entire 2011是肯定没戏了。早知道去年底就不去vegas刷结婚
证了...确定按dual报就完了。
you friggin kidding me?first year choice写的那么明白,我在电话里跟他一页一
页对,他还是说不行,但是他明显没底气...明天再打,换个人问问。
不过看来resident for entire 2011是肯定没戏了。早知道去年底就不去vegas刷结婚
证了...确定按dual报就完了。
s*y
50 楼
已婚的话一个人dual status可以两人联合resident报啊。如果F1的话即可享受5800
standard deducttion,也可享受tax treaty.学费也可抵税的。
具体做法,file extension到12年6月后开始报。选择first year choice,11年dual
status了,然后选择如下choice.
Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident
If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one spouse is a U.S.
citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a nonresident alien, you
can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S. resident. This
includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident alien at the
beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of the year, and
the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end of the year.
standard deducttion,也可享受tax treaty.学费也可抵税的。
具体做法,file extension到12年6月后开始报。选择first year choice,11年dual
status了,然后选择如下choice.
Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident
If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one spouse is a U.S.
citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a nonresident alien, you
can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S. resident. This
includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident alien at the
beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of the year, and
the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end of the year.
t*t
51 楼
问题在于我能不能选这个"然后"。local的hr block说不行,今天电话irs也说不行
【在 s********y 的大作中提到】
: 已婚的话一个人dual status可以两人联合resident报啊。如果F1的话即可享受5800
: standard deducttion,也可享受tax treaty.学费也可抵税的。
: 具体做法,file extension到12年6月后开始报。选择first year choice,11年dual
: status了,然后选择如下choice.
: Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident
: If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one spouse is a U.S.
: citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a nonresident alien, you
: can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S. resident. This
: includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident alien at the
: beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of the year, and
【在 s********y 的大作中提到】
: 已婚的话一个人dual status可以两人联合resident报啊。如果F1的话即可享受5800
: standard deducttion,也可享受tax treaty.学费也可抵税的。
: 具体做法,file extension到12年6月后开始报。选择first year choice,11年dual
: status了,然后选择如下choice.
: Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident
: If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one spouse is a U.S.
: citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a nonresident alien, you
: can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S. resident. This
: includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident alien at the
: beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of the year, and
s*y
52 楼
我看不出来为什么不能选Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident阿
h*a
56 楼
前提是夫妻之间一个人必须是resident。
不足5年得F1 转成H1b第一年都是dual status除非当年6月前转成的H1B
you
and
【在 s********y 的大作中提到】
: 已婚的话一个人dual status可以两人联合resident报啊。如果F1的话即可享受5800
: standard deducttion,也可享受tax treaty.学费也可抵税的。
: 具体做法,file extension到12年6月后开始报。选择first year choice,11年dual
: status了,然后选择如下choice.
: Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident
: If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one spouse is a U.S.
: citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a nonresident alien, you
: can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S. resident. This
: includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident alien at the
: beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of the year, and
不足5年得F1 转成H1b第一年都是dual status除非当年6月前转成的H1B
you
and
【在 s********y 的大作中提到】
: 已婚的话一个人dual status可以两人联合resident报啊。如果F1的话即可享受5800
: standard deducttion,也可享受tax treaty.学费也可抵税的。
: 具体做法,file extension到12年6月后开始报。选择first year choice,11年dual
: status了,然后选择如下choice.
: Nonresident Spouse Treated as a Resident
: If, at the end of your tax year, you are married and one spouse is a U.S.
: citizen or a resident alien and the other spouse is a nonresident alien, you
: can choose to treat the nonresident spouse as a U.S. resident. This
: includes situations in which one spouse is a nonresident alien at the
: beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at the end of the year, and
s*y
57 楼
我觉得dual status是全年的状态。make first year choice, 从h1b开始到年底都是
resident了啊。
If you make the first-year choice, your residency starting date for 2010 is
the first day of the earliest 31-day period (described in (1) above) that
you use to qualify for the choice. You are treated as a U.S. resident for
the rest of the year.
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 对,联邦税有三种身份: R, dual-status和NR.
: Dual-status 不等于R.
resident了啊。
If you make the first-year choice, your residency starting date for 2010 is
the first day of the earliest 31-day period (described in (1) above) that
you use to qualify for the choice. You are treated as a U.S. resident for
the rest of the year.
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 对,联邦税有三种身份: R, dual-status和NR.
: Dual-status 不等于R.
s*y
58 楼
这个问题确实比较棘手,各人理解不一样。
如果能按R合报,5800×2 standard deduction, 5000 treaty, 学费抵税等,可以少缴
好几千的税。
精华区的一个帖子。
http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/life.faq/TAX/1040/M.1017888805.A/
网上相关支持file jointly as R的帖子
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-return-non-resid
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
如果能按R合报,5800×2 standard deduction, 5000 treaty, 学费抵税等,可以少缴
好几千的税。
精华区的一个帖子。
http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/life.faq/TAX/1040/M.1017888805.A/
网上相关支持file jointly as R的帖子
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-return-non-resid
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
s*y
59 楼
置顶帖子guide: resident or non-resident写的也是可以joinly R
t*t
60 楼
我在网上相关贴里跟了一句,有两个high reputation的人认为是可以的,我联系了其
中一个,看看他怎么回复。
其实我这么谨慎主要是怕被audit,靠自己的话被audit了都没地找人说理去...
【在 s********y 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题确实比较棘手,各人理解不一样。
: 如果能按R合报,5800×2 standard deduction, 5000 treaty, 学费抵税等,可以少缴
: 好几千的税。
: 精华区的一个帖子。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/life.faq/TAX/1040/M.1017888805.A/
: 网上相关支持file jointly as R的帖子
: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-return-non-resid
: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
中一个,看看他怎么回复。
其实我这么谨慎主要是怕被audit,靠自己的话被audit了都没地找人说理去...
【在 s********y 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题确实比较棘手,各人理解不一样。
: 如果能按R合报,5800×2 standard deduction, 5000 treaty, 学费抵税等,可以少缴
: 好几千的税。
: 精华区的一个帖子。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/life.faq/TAX/1040/M.1017888805.A/
: 网上相关支持file jointly as R的帖子
: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-return-non-resid
: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
t*t
61 楼
在这个贴里找到的tax professional, altantataxexpert
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
我给他写信问相关情况,得到的回复如下:
Because you are Chinese, you get the best of BOTH worlds.
You CAN file jointly with your wife, claiming the JOINT standard deduction
of $11,600 and two $3,700 personal exemption, which effectively makes the
first $19,000 of your income tax-exempt.
You can also claim the Lifetime Learning Credit for your wife's graduate
tuition.
Your wife will need to submit Form W-7 to get her ITIN.
Further, under an exception to the Savings Clause, you get to claim the $5,
000 treaty exemption for BOTH yourself AND your wife for 2011 for a total
exemption of $10,000. For 2012, you can claim it for your wife only ($5,000
), and will continue to be able to claim it as long as she is attending
school under the F-1 visa. It is reported on Line #21 of Form 1040 as a
NEGATIVE number. Assuming you will efile the return, you must MAIL in Form
8833 under Form 8453 to explain the treaty exemption.
An audit is always possible, but if the Form 8833 is properly prepared and
is submitted in a timely manner, it is unlikely. Any audit will probably be
a MAIL audit, which I can handle myself. An office audit will require a
telephone conference, because my travelling to the IRS office nearest to you
in not feasible.
感觉有点too good to be true...老婆一年没有收入也可以用treaty么?是因为joint
return的关系?
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
我给他写信问相关情况,得到的回复如下:
Because you are Chinese, you get the best of BOTH worlds.
You CAN file jointly with your wife, claiming the JOINT standard deduction
of $11,600 and two $3,700 personal exemption, which effectively makes the
first $19,000 of your income tax-exempt.
You can also claim the Lifetime Learning Credit for your wife's graduate
tuition.
Your wife will need to submit Form W-7 to get her ITIN.
Further, under an exception to the Savings Clause, you get to claim the $5,
000 treaty exemption for BOTH yourself AND your wife for 2011 for a total
exemption of $10,000. For 2012, you can claim it for your wife only ($5,000
), and will continue to be able to claim it as long as she is attending
school under the F-1 visa. It is reported on Line #21 of Form 1040 as a
NEGATIVE number. Assuming you will efile the return, you must MAIL in Form
8833 under Form 8453 to explain the treaty exemption.
An audit is always possible, but if the Form 8833 is properly prepared and
is submitted in a timely manner, it is unlikely. Any audit will probably be
a MAIL audit, which I can handle myself. An office audit will require a
telephone conference, because my travelling to the IRS office nearest to you
in not feasible.
感觉有点too good to be true...老婆一年没有收入也可以用treaty么?是因为joint
return的关系?
S*s
63 楼
老婆没收入不能用treaty
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【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 在这个贴里找到的tax professional, altantataxexpert
: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
: 我给他写信问相关情况,得到的回复如下:
: Because you are Chinese, you get the best of BOTH worlds.
: You CAN file jointly with your wife, claiming the JOINT standard deduction
: of $11,600 and two $3,700 personal exemption, which effectively makes the
: first $19,000 of your income tax-exempt.
: You can also claim the Lifetime Learning Credit for your wife's graduate
: tuition.
: Your wife will need to submit Form W-7 to get her ITIN.
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【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 在这个贴里找到的tax professional, altantataxexpert
: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/taxes/dual-status-alien-can-we-fil
: 我给他写信问相关情况,得到的回复如下:
: Because you are Chinese, you get the best of BOTH worlds.
: You CAN file jointly with your wife, claiming the JOINT standard deduction
: of $11,600 and two $3,700 personal exemption, which effectively makes the
: first $19,000 of your income tax-exempt.
: You can also claim the Lifetime Learning Credit for your wife's graduate
: tuition.
: Your wife will need to submit Form W-7 to get her ITIN.
t*t
65 楼
收到IRS邮件回复,个人觉得他们是在打酱油,不过看上去是可以选择file as
resident for entire 2011的?
NOTE: Thank you for your inquiry. Our response to your tax law question
appears below. I hope this information has been helpful. If you have a
follow-up question or another general tax law question, please return to our
web site at: www.irs.gov.
Please do not use your "reply" button to respond to this message. More
helpful information is provided at the end of this message.
Your Question Was:
I m a citizen of China(PRC). I came to US in 2008 on a F-1 student visa. I
stayed in F-1 status until Oct 2011, with July 2010-Sept 2011 in F-1 with
OPT status. I changed to H-1B specialty worker status on Oct 1st 2011. I m
married in 2009 and my wife(who is also a citizen of China(PRC) ) came to US
in June 2009 on a F-2 dependent visa. She went back to China in May 2010,
and changed to F-1 student visa to come back so she can attend full-time
study. She s been on F-1 status since then.
My question is: Can I file as a resident alien for a) the entire 2011, and
b)with status of married filing jointly ? According to Pub 519, I can file
an extension , and make the first-year choice to be considered a dual-status
alien. However, on page 10 of Pub 519 it mentioned a choice that I can make
to elect to be treated as resident alien for the entire 2011 tax year, and
my wife joining me in filing the tax return. Can I make this choice?
The Answer To Your Question Is:
Thank you for your inquiry dated February 21, 2012. We apologize for the
delay in responding to your inquiry. You have questions concerning the first
-year choice to be treated as a resident for part of 2011 and choosing
resident alien status.
When you are eligible to make the first-year choice to be treated as a
resident for part of tax year 2011 (dual-status alien), and you choose to be
treated as a United States (U.S.) resident for the entire year, and your
spouse joins you in making the resident alien status choice by filing a
joint tax return, both you and your spouse will be treated as U.S. residents
for the entire year.
In addition to attaching the statement required to make the first-year
choice for 2011 to your joint tax return, you must also attach the statement
signed by both spouses that you are choosing resident alien status.
Choosing resident alien status includes situations in which one spouse is a
nonresident alien at the beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at
the end of the year, and the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end
of the year.
Thank you for using our service.
resident for entire 2011的?
NOTE: Thank you for your inquiry. Our response to your tax law question
appears below. I hope this information has been helpful. If you have a
follow-up question or another general tax law question, please return to our
web site at: www.irs.gov.
Please do not use your "reply" button to respond to this message. More
helpful information is provided at the end of this message.
Your Question Was:
I m a citizen of China(PRC). I came to US in 2008 on a F-1 student visa. I
stayed in F-1 status until Oct 2011, with July 2010-Sept 2011 in F-1 with
OPT status. I changed to H-1B specialty worker status on Oct 1st 2011. I m
married in 2009 and my wife(who is also a citizen of China(PRC) ) came to US
in June 2009 on a F-2 dependent visa. She went back to China in May 2010,
and changed to F-1 student visa to come back so she can attend full-time
study. She s been on F-1 status since then.
My question is: Can I file as a resident alien for a) the entire 2011, and
b)with status of married filing jointly ? According to Pub 519, I can file
an extension , and make the first-year choice to be considered a dual-status
alien. However, on page 10 of Pub 519 it mentioned a choice that I can make
to elect to be treated as resident alien for the entire 2011 tax year, and
my wife joining me in filing the tax return. Can I make this choice?
The Answer To Your Question Is:
Thank you for your inquiry dated February 21, 2012. We apologize for the
delay in responding to your inquiry. You have questions concerning the first
-year choice to be treated as a resident for part of 2011 and choosing
resident alien status.
When you are eligible to make the first-year choice to be treated as a
resident for part of tax year 2011 (dual-status alien), and you choose to be
treated as a United States (U.S.) resident for the entire year, and your
spouse joins you in making the resident alien status choice by filing a
joint tax return, both you and your spouse will be treated as U.S. residents
for the entire year.
In addition to attaching the statement required to make the first-year
choice for 2011 to your joint tax return, you must also attach the statement
signed by both spouses that you are choosing resident alien status.
Choosing resident alien status includes situations in which one spouse is a
nonresident alien at the beginning of the tax year, but a resident alien at
the end of the year, and the other spouse is a nonresident alien at the end
of the year.
Thank you for using our service.
b*y
66 楼
如果file jointly as resident, 那5000的treaty还能用吗? social security呢?
谢谢啦
our
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 收到IRS邮件回复,个人觉得他们是在打酱油,不过看上去是可以选择file as
: resident for entire 2011的?
: NOTE: Thank you for your inquiry. Our response to your tax law question
: appears below. I hope this information has been helpful. If you have a
: follow-up question or another general tax law question, please return to our
: web site at: www.irs.gov.
: Please do not use your "reply" button to respond to this message. More
: helpful information is provided at the end of this message.
: Your Question Was:
: I m a citizen of China(PRC). I came to US in 2008 on a F-1 student visa. I
谢谢啦
our
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 收到IRS邮件回复,个人觉得他们是在打酱油,不过看上去是可以选择file as
: resident for entire 2011的?
: NOTE: Thank you for your inquiry. Our response to your tax law question
: appears below. I hope this information has been helpful. If you have a
: follow-up question or another general tax law question, please return to our
: web site at: www.irs.gov.
: Please do not use your "reply" button to respond to this message. More
: helpful information is provided at the end of this message.
: Your Question Was:
: I m a citizen of China(PRC). I came to US in 2008 on a F-1 student visa. I
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