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s*r2010-01-21 08:01

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参见过招聘的给讲讲，系主任和Search Comittee Chair在招聘过程中的权限如何？
如果系主任看好的人选和search committee 推荐的人不同，结果会怎样呢？

k*y2010-01-21 08:01

2 楼

公司Match 6%, 今天发现居然可以抵税
Box 1 of W2 显示的是扣除公司match部分和自己存入部分的总和

t*a2010-01-21 08:01

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【以下文字转载自 BackHome 讨论区】
发信人: trna (trna), 信区: BackHome
标题: 如果签证被check，返程机票改签一般要多交多少钱？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 20 21:52:02 2010, 美东)
是不是很贵？
大家有经验的告诉我一下，让我有个准备！
谢谢！！

r*l2010-01-21 08:01

4 楼

过了phone和onsite，现在要我提供个reference联系方法，说是走check reference
stage,这个该怎么处理呢，
背景：此前没有换过工作
高人指点下，这个重要么？可以不给么？

q*d2010-01-21 08:01

5 楼

剩下的,包括avatar,都是狗屎

J*32010-01-21 08:01

6 楼

我打算走Option 2路线，把CPA 考了。其他都符合，就是叫不准Audit and
attestation.我N年前上过的课程只是叫"Audit" 但是讲课的时候覆盖了compliance,
internal control 啥么的，具体讲啥我也不记得了。想问纽约州不会因为课程只叫
audit 而让我补课吧？
谢谢大家了。

b*n2010-01-21 08:01

7 楼

【以下文字转载自 History 讨论区】
发信人: Teller (yy), 信区: History
标题: 复旦全国征集曹姓男性Y染色体 DNA辨曹操墓真伪zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 21 07:59:49 2010, 美东)
复旦全国征集曹姓男性Y染色体 DNA辨曹操墓真伪(图)
新闻来源: 新华网于January 21, 2010 04:25:42 敬请注意:新闻取自各大新闻媒
体，观点内容并不代表本网立场！
复旦大学现代人类学教育部重点实验室宣布向全国征集曹姓男子的Y染色体 www.6p
ark.com
用DNA技术辨别曹操墓真伪 www.6park.com
河南安阳发现的到底是不是真正的曹操墓？抑或生性多疑的曹操真有七十二疑冢？
面对各界持续不休的争论，生命科学家决定不再袖手旁观——复旦大学现代人类学
教育部重点实验室近日宣布，向全国征集曹姓男性参与Y染色体检测，以期通过检测
这些男性的Y染色体类型并进行归类，然后借助序列比对的方式，推测曹操应有的Y
染色体特征，用DNA技术来解答曹操墓真伪之问。 www.6park.com
据介绍，根据

G*Y2010-01-21 08:01

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权利都很大。
他们喜欢的人，不一定游戏。
他们之一不喜欢的，肯定没戏。

【在 s*r 的大作中提到】

: 参见过招聘的给讲讲，系主任和Search Comittee Chair在招聘过程中的权限如何？
: 如果系主任看好的人选和search committee 推荐的人不同，结果会怎样呢？

f*n2010-01-21 08:01

9 楼

对于家庭AGI低于$55000的才适用

g*o2010-01-21 08:01

10 楼

看航空公司吧，AA是$150

【在 t**a 的大作中提到】

: 【以下文字转载自 BackHome 讨论区】
: 发信人: trna (trna), 信区: BackHome
: 标题: 如果签证被check，返程机票改签一般要多交多少钱？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 20 21:52:02 2010, 美东)
: 是不是很贵？
: 大家有经验的告诉我一下，让我有个准备！
: 谢谢！！

M*n2010-01-21 08:01

11 楼

Of course. It's normal practice. Find someone who will say nice words about
you.

【在 r******l 的大作中提到】

: 过了phone和onsite，现在要我提供个reference联系方法，说是走check reference
: stage,这个该怎么处理呢，
: 背景：此前没有换过工作
: 高人指点下，这个重要么？可以不给么？

S*b2010-01-21 08:01

12 楼

无聊的坑

【在 q*d 的大作中提到】

: 剩下的,包括avatar,都是狗屎

s*82010-01-21 08:01

13 楼

Personally I don't think so. Your previous course should be fine.

s*g2010-01-21 08:01

14 楼

方法可行。不过Thomas Jefferson的例子举得不合适。

G*h2010-01-21 08:01

15 楼

In general, the search committee members review all materials and submit
their recommendations to the department head by the chair. Sometimes the
committee may rank their candidates. The committee and the department head
may communicate with each other via chair in selecting top candidates for
interview. The head makes final decision on hiring.
On the other hand, the department head may form a committee by selecting
faculty members who might be in favor of his/her if he/she already has
something in mind. The whole process is generally fair, but also
manipulatable.

f*n2010-01-21 08:01

16 楼

那应该是错的

【在 k****y 的大作中提到】

: 公司Match 6%, 今天发现居然可以抵税
: Box 1 of W2 显示的是扣除公司match部分和自己存入部分的总和

m*j2010-01-21 08:01

17 楼

为什么不给呢？
人家想HIRE你，除了INTERVIEW，还想听听别人对你的评价，很正常。

w*g2010-01-21 08:01

18 楼

你是屎克郎？

【在 q*d 的大作中提到】

: 剩下的,包括avatar,都是狗屎

a*e2010-01-21 08:01

19 楼

how useful and meaningful is this research? Any one has a comment?

s*r2010-01-21 08:01

20 楼

The department chair makes the final decision or the department members vote
for it?

【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】

: In general, the search committee members review all materials and submit
: their recommendations to the department head by the chair. Sometimes the
: committee may rank their candidates. The committee and the department head
: may communicate with each other via chair in selecting top candidates for
: interview. The head makes final decision on hiring.
: On the other hand, the department head may form a committee by selecting
: faculty members who might be in favor of his/her if he/she already has
: something in mind. The whole process is generally fair, but also
: manipulatable.

L*12010-01-21 08:01

21 楼

真好，match 6%
我们只match 1.5%
公司交的部分应该算收入，还能抵税？

r*l2010-01-21 08:01

22 楼

谢先，但我的同事老板现在还是我的同事老板，这个还真有点搞啊~~

about

【在 M**********n 的大作中提到】

: Of course. It's normal practice. Find someone who will say nice words about
: you.

p*f2010-01-21 08:01

23 楼

原来是xm大哥！

【在 b******n 的大作中提到】

: 【以下文字转载自 History 讨论区】
: 发信人: Teller (yy), 信区: History
: 标题: 复旦全国征集曹姓男性Y染色体 DNA辨曹操墓真伪zz
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 21 07:59:49 2010, 美东)
: 复旦全国征集曹姓男性Y染色体 DNA辨曹操墓真伪(图)
: 新闻来源: 新华网于January 21, 2010 04:25:42 敬请注意:新闻取自各大新闻媒
: 体，观点内容并不代表本网立场！
: 复旦大学现代人类学教育部重点实验室宣布向全国征集曹姓男子的Y染色体 www.6p
: ark.com
: 用DNA技术辨别曹操墓真伪 www.6park.com

c*d2010-01-21 08:01

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I dont' think the department chair has the power to make the final decision.
Although his opinion could have a big impact, the decision has to be voted
by all faculty members.

c*n2010-01-21 08:01

25 楼

同意

【在 f*******n 的大作中提到】

: 那应该是错的

r*l2010-01-21 08:01

26 楼

不是不给，是要我的同事领导联系方式，那我怎么敢给啊~~
这不八字还没一撇呢~~
能给别人的么？比如朋友什么的。

【在 m***j 的大作中提到】

: 为什么不给呢？
: 人家想HIRE你，除了INTERVIEW，还想听听别人对你的评价，很正常。

g*w2010-01-21 08:01

27 楼

一看就知道是金力搞的

h*t2010-01-21 08:01

28 楼

听过一个例子，面过所有人后，全系FACULTY开会，系主任开始REVIEW每个面试者，话
语中已经明显表明哪个好哪个不好，虽然没明确说，但大家都心领神会，然后开始VOTE
，大家就投那个系主任喜欢的。

m*j2010-01-21 08:01

29 楼

人家一定说要同事了么？
应该以前的导师，同学之类的也可以吧。

【在 r******l 的大作中提到】

: 不是不给，是要我的同事领导联系方式，那我怎么敢给啊~~
: 这不八字还没一撇呢~~
: 能给别人的么？比如朋友什么的。

s*g2010-01-21 08:01

30 楼

如果考古有意义，那这项研究就有意义。

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: how useful and meaningful is this research? Any one has a comment?

L*Y2010-01-21 08:01

31 楼

Usually, the voting is just a process but the powerful guy in department
will have strongest impact to final decision.

VOTE

【在 h*****t 的大作中提到】

: 听过一个例子，面过所有人后，全系FACULTY开会，系主任开始REVIEW每个面试者，话
: 语中已经明显表明哪个好哪个不好，虽然没明确说，但大家都心领神会，然后开始VOTE
: ，大家就投那个系主任喜欢的。

r*l2010-01-21 08:01

32 楼

明确说了以前的同事老板，工作很多年了，但没有换过工作，所以不存在以前的同事老
板一说。给导师联系方法看看先。
谢谢：）

【在 m***j 的大作中提到】

: 人家一定说要同事了么？
: 应该以前的导师，同学之类的也可以吧。

b*n2010-01-21 08:01

33 楼

小叶啊，呵呵

【在 p*******f 的大作中提到】

: 原来是xm大哥！

v*x2010-01-21 08:01

34 楼

depends.the hire in my dept is voted only by search committee, particularly
if the dept is big.They will talk about it in faculty meeting. It is
normally the final result unless someone strongly opposes it, which never
happened since I joined.

decision.
voted

【在 c*****d 的大作中提到】

: I dont' think the department chair has the power to make the final decision.
: Although his opinion could have a big impact, the decision has to be voted
: by all faculty members.

m*j2010-01-21 08:01

35 楼

其实到这一步，基本已经8，9不离10了
对，同实验室的同学，也可以算同事吧。

【在 r******l 的大作中提到】

: 明确说了以前的同事老板，工作很多年了，但没有换过工作，所以不存在以前的同事老
: 板一说。给导师联系方法看看先。
: 谢谢：）

a*a2010-01-21 08:01

36 楼

太傻x了，绝对炒作啊
复旦以前至少踩过几万人的血样
tmd还找不到几个姓曹的？

【在 b******n 的大作中提到】

a*e2010-01-21 08:01

37 楼

听说DEAN 最有权决定要谁不要谁。

particularly

【在 v****x 的大作中提到】

: depends.the hire in my dept is voted only by search committee, particularly
: if the dept is big.They will talk about it in faculty meeting. It is
: normally the final result unless someone strongly opposes it, which never
: happened since I joined.
:
: decision.
: voted

r*l2010-01-21 08:01

38 楼

呵呵，提醒我了，只是年份久远啦,
谢谢“八九不离十”：）

【在 m***j 的大作中提到】

: 其实到这一步，基本已经8，9不离10了
: 对，同实验室的同学，也可以算同事吧。

p*f2010-01-21 08:01

39 楼

我觉得是卢大儒

【在 g******w 的大作中提到】

: 一看就知道是金力搞的

c*d2010-01-21 08:01

40 楼

I am just saying the "legal procedure". Nobody opposes the decision in your
department, that's a different story. But it has to be discussed during the
faculty meeting.

particularly

【在 v****x 的大作中提到】

g*g2010-01-21 08:01

41 楼

You don't have ex-colleagues that left the company?

【在 r******l 的大作中提到】

: 明确说了以前的同事老板，工作很多年了，但没有换过工作，所以不存在以前的同事老
: 板一说。给导师联系方法看看先。
: 谢谢：）

s*g2010-01-21 08:01

42 楼

人家不是说了嘛，现有的样本里只有48个姓曹的。

【在 a***a 的大作中提到】

: 太傻x了，绝对炒作啊
: 复旦以前至少踩过几万人的血样
: tmd还找不到几个姓曹的？

l*d2010-01-21 08:01

43 楼

Dean管系主任的招聘。

【在 a****e 的大作中提到】

: 听说DEAN 最有权决定要谁不要谁。
:
: particularly

b*e2010-01-21 08:01

44 楼

给以前导师和以前同一个group的人

【在 r******l 的大作中提到】

: 明确说了以前的同事老板，工作很多年了，但没有换过工作，所以不存在以前的同事老
: 板一说。给导师联系方法看看先。
: 谢谢：）

a*a2010-01-21 08:01

45 楼

48个还不够？
真要找，也要找夏侯

【在 s******g 的大作中提到】

: 人家不是说了嘛，现有的样本里只有48个姓曹的。

G*h2010-01-21 08:01

46 楼

FYI - Here is a little bit more detailed description based on my personal
experience as a member or a chair of a few search committees:
The search committee will review all materials from the candidates, and
usually rank and select a few top candidates for interview. There would be
some close communications with the department head during the process.
The initial reviewing process is generally long, so the progress would
usually be updated in faculty meetings or by emails, but usually not in big
detail (e.g., no names, unless announcing the interview candidates).
After interview, the department will send out an open evaluation form to
every faculty member to collect opinions.
The search committee will then review all the returned evaluations, have a
meeting or two, and then make recommendations to the department head. The
process again can be communicated with the department head whenever needed.
The returned open evaluations may or may not be taken - as they can be
either highly consistent or diverse in opinions. Also not all faculty
members will really read all CVs and interact with the candidates during
interview.
However, if someone (who is usually reasonable) starts picking at you and
seriously talk to the search committee or head, then you are in bad position
for sure. So pay respect and interest to everyone you meet during interview.
Then the department head makes the final offer - which usually means an
invitation for a second interview (or visit).
Dean or other "powerful" people may have big influence on the process if
they have some of their own agenda. However, it is still the department head
who hires based on his/her strategic plan.
My feeling is that the whole process might be manipulated if the department
head and/or some "powerful" people have their own specific agenda or
interests - mostly by "carefully" select the search committee members.
I am sure that there would be some difference between different departments
and institutions.
p.s. A couple of times we tried to pursue some big names - then that's
another story (although the process would be the same).

a*t2010-01-21 08:01

47 楼

No, most companies will ask you to fill the application form with reference
part around the time of on-site interview
Not necessarily they already make the decision to hire you

【在 m***j 的大作中提到】

: 其实到这一步，基本已经8，9不离10了
: 对，同实验室的同学，也可以算同事吧。

e*r2010-01-21 08:01

48 楼

曹操的爷爷和父亲姓夏侯，后来曹操改的姓为曹。

s*r2010-01-21 08:01

49 楼

thank you very much for the valuable information.
your last two paragraphs below seem to mean that the search chair mostly
listens to the department chair.
The search committee members are selected or propose to volunteer at a
faculty meeting, what if the chair's, let us say, enemies, control in the
search committee? How does the department chair get his/her candidate
accepted by the search committee, if the committee's recommended candidates
are different from the chair's?
U also mention that you tried to persuade the big names in your department,
would you like to elaborate that part? I mean the negotiation process, not
the details about your institution. Appreciate it.

they have some of their own agenda. However, it is still the department head
who hires based on his/her strategic plan.
My feeling is that the whole process might be manipulated if the department
head and/or some "powerful" people have their own specific agenda or
interests - mostly by "carefully" select the search committee members

【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】

: FYI - Here is a little bit more detailed description based on my personal
: experience as a member or a chair of a few search committees:
: The search committee will review all materials from the candidates, and
: usually rank and select a few top candidates for interview. There would be
: some close communications with the department head during the process.
: The initial reviewing process is generally long, so the progress would
: usually be updated in faculty meetings or by emails, but usually not in big
: detail (e.g., no names, unless announcing the interview candidates).
: After interview, the department will send out an open evaluation form to
: every faculty member to collect opinions.

f*h2010-01-21 08:01

50 楼

是啊，我就是onsite过一周后查reference，之后就没消息了，反复催催来一封据信

reference

【在 a**********t 的大作中提到】

: No, most companies will ask you to fill the application form with reference
: part around the time of on-site interview
: Not necessarily they already make the decision to hire you

s*g2010-01-21 08:01

51 楼

他们应该夏侯和曹都做。理论上两个姓聚类时有交际的就是曹操那一支。

【在 a***a 的大作中提到】

: 48个还不够？
: 真要找，也要找夏侯

G*h2010-01-21 08:01

52 楼

Alright - again, my personal opinions/comments below:

Well, generally speaking, the department head has a strategic plan (when
hired to
the position). Head would spend time to get the resource from the college/
university
to hire new faculty members based on the plan. However, it is usually easier
to get a
replacement position if a professor is retired or leaves the department.
On the other hand, the department head may get input from the faculty in
making a
decision on the field(s) of hiring. Therefore, to certain degree, the search
committee
(including chair) serves for the department head. It is not necessary to say
that the
search committee mostly listen to the chair, as the chair usually does not
have
someone in mind and will not read all the CVs.
candidates
Most of the time, the department head would avoid this situation by not
forming a
search committee with his/her "enemy" in the committee. If the department
head
has someone in mind, he/she would usually find some of his/her favorite
professors.
My feeling is that, if unfortunately there are conflicts between the
department head
and the search committee, there would be some heavy negotiations between the
members of the committee, the chair and the head.This is usually not a
favorable
situation for the candidates for sure. The outcome can be hardly predicted.
It may
depend on how everyone looks at candidate's materials and if the candidate
has any
apparent defects.
U also mention that you tried to persuade the big names in your department,
It depends. Sometimes, a big name may express his/her interest to relocate
to
certain place or just leave current institution. Sometimes, the school may
approach
to that person. If that person expresses interest/willingness to move, the
department head may form a search committee and formulate a job announcement
.
The subsequent procedure would be similar to a regular one. Because that
person is
typically a leader of his/her field, he/she would naturally the top one
candidate for
the position.
As for the negotiation on the final offer, it is solely between the
candidate and the
department head.
I personally had another interesting experience. In one search, we had two
highly
qualified candidates. The department head championed at the college/
university and
managed to create a second position and hired both. Of course, that was
before the
recent budget cut...

【在 s*r 的大作中提到】

: thank you very much for the valuable information.
: your last two paragraphs below seem to mean that the search chair mostly
: listens to the department chair.
: The search committee members are selected or propose to volunteer at a
: faculty meeting, what if the chair's, let us say, enemies, control in the
: search committee? How does the department chair get his/her candidate
: accepted by the search committee, if the committee's recommended candidates
: are different from the chair's?
: U also mention that you tried to persuade the big names in your department,
: would you like to elaborate that part? I mean the negotiation process, not

s*12010-01-21 08:01

53 楼

初期不能给！
对方如果差不多可以了再给．

【在 r******l 的大作中提到】

s*r2010-01-21 08:01

54 楼

once again, i guess his grandpa is infertile

s*r2010-01-21 08:01

55 楼

you are right. y-chr has no recombination, few mutation and low
heterozygosity

【在 a***a 的大作中提到】

: 48个还不够？
: 真要找，也要找夏侯

a*g2010-01-21 08:01

56 楼

1) media frenzy
2) lure money from goverment
3) How the hell is Y from Cao's are much different with other pepoles?

【在 b******n 的大作中提到】

l*r2010-01-21 08:01

57 楼

应该把夏侯姓的也加入，哈哈哈

【在 b******n 的大作中提到】

t*l2010-01-21 08:01

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they need also aquire a group of samples with random last name as the
control

【在 b******n 的大作中提到】

w*e2010-01-21 08:01

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1) Is Cao Cao the ONLY ONLY ONLY ancestor of all people whose last name is
cao today?
2) What if the person buried in the tomb is only a relative of Cao Cao, but
not he himself?
Don't waste money and time, dear Fudan professors.