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Another successful change of career# Biology - 生物学
d*a
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我当时代理给出的电子机票的时间写错了,我稀里糊涂,直到最后,我父母觉得不对劲
,才在网上查出了正确的时间。希望大家千万别像我完全相信电子机票了。
另外及时查看飞机的状态,我送父母走的时候,临时改了登机口,有很多父母都是按照
登机牌的登机口去登机,送父母时还是要看看电子屏及时更新的信息,避免很多麻烦。
总之大家越细心越好,父母就越省心。
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u*k
2
Just bought the IPAD 3G from ATT with SIM card.
Can I just take SIM card out , not activating SIM card to avoid the first
month data plan charge?
Thanks.
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b*d
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She was cell biology major in China and phd candidate in immunology at
Iowa. After changing major and getting MFA in creative nonfiction from
the Nonfiction Writing Program, and publishing multiple award winning
novels, she just received MacArthur "Genius" Award for $500K today.
Congrats!
http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.6239749/k.1427/Meet_the_2010_
Fellows.htm
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a*n
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李翊云。
纽约客把她列为美国目前40岁以下最出色的20名作家之一。
Iowa的写作program很难进的,全美最强,九十年代50%普利策获奖者都是从那出来的。
李翊云能被录取很不容易,不过当时系主任不让她念creative writing,因为母语不是
英语。后来第一年下来,她的作品在纽约客巴黎评论这样的顶级文学刊物发表后,才转
的到cw的。
她的第一部短篇小说集A Thousand Years of Good Prayers得了很多美国和国际性的大
奖,还被美国的华人著名华人导演王颖拍成了电影。
去年她发表了第一部长篇,The Vagrants,以她老公东北老家浑江为背景,讲的是70年
代的事。
李翊云在办绿卡的时候被拒过。当时给她写推荐信的有美国作家协会主席和纽约客主编
这样的大牛。不过可能考虑到她原来是学生物的吧,很周折。不过现在没问题了。现在
在加州教写作。
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c*e
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不是号称比Node强么?Node差不多算是production mature了吧?

【在 p*****2 的大作中提到】
:
: 感觉vertx就是个joke

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d*e
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知道的这么清楚?还有没有什么八卦?

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 李翊云。
: 纽约客把她列为美国目前40岁以下最出色的20名作家之一。
: Iowa的写作program很难进的,全美最强,九十年代50%普利策获奖者都是从那出来的。
: 李翊云能被录取很不容易,不过当时系主任不让她念creative writing,因为母语不是
: 英语。后来第一年下来,她的作品在纽约客巴黎评论这样的顶级文学刊物发表后,才转
: 的到cw的。
: 她的第一部短篇小说集A Thousand Years of Good Prayers得了很多美国和国际性的大
: 奖,还被美国的华人著名华人导演王颖拍成了电影。
: 去年她发表了第一部长篇,The Vagrants,以她老公东北老家浑江为背景,讲的是70年
: 代的事。

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l*n
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不能相提并论。

【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 不是号称比Node强么?Node差不多算是production mature了吧?
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m*o
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近来膜拜一下。
这种转行是靠天分吧,和原来的专业没太大关系。
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c*e
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有成功的应用vert.x的大规模网站(或者web service)实例么?
非常好奇怎么控制session, load balance
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a*n
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她虽然在美国文学界很成功,但是作品在国内并没有引起很大的注意。她的两本书都没
有被译成中文。
她说她很高兴自己在中国没人注意。她回国探亲的时候,带着自己的两个孩子上街,偶
尔会被人误以为
是小保姆。因为国内是一胎制,带俩娃儿的以保姆居多。

【在 d*******e 的大作中提到】
: 知道的这么清楚?还有没有什么八卦?
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z*e
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自己去vert.x 3的网页上看嘛
groupon什么都放上去了

【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 有成功的应用vert.x的大规模网站(或者web service)实例么?
: 非常好奇怎么控制session, load balance

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n*k
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Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
novels and ever heard her on the Diane Rhem show (NPR), I am not sure whether
they would agree that she is an individual with integrity and principles...
I am no nationalist; On the contrary that I never deny nor am shy

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 李翊云。
: 纽约客把她列为美国目前40岁以下最出色的20名作家之一。
: Iowa的写作program很难进的,全美最强,九十年代50%普利策获奖者都是从那出来的。
: 李翊云能被录取很不容易,不过当时系主任不让她念creative writing,因为母语不是
: 英语。后来第一年下来,她的作品在纽约客巴黎评论这样的顶级文学刊物发表后,才转
: 的到cw的。
: 她的第一部短篇小说集A Thousand Years of Good Prayers得了很多美国和国际性的大
: 奖,还被美国的华人著名华人导演王颖拍成了电影。
: 去年她发表了第一部长篇,The Vagrants,以她老公东北老家浑江为背景,讲的是70年
: 代的事。

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z*e
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session的控制压根不是vert.x该做的事
这个应该是web独有的东西,vert.x本身并不是一个web framework
如果你需要web framework,你需要额外的plugin
load balance自己写一个就好了,很容易的
其实session management也很容易

【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 有成功的应用vert.x的大规模网站(或者web service)实例么?
: 非常好奇怎么控制session, load balance

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n*k
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One comment from a writer on one of her book.
Anyway, be a decent individual and then be a successful one...ironically,
not sure this society really approves/values this basic human dignity...
17 of 19 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Black/White, September 29, 2008
By Milan R. "zzz"
This review is from: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers: Stories (Paperback)
I finished this book and I have mixed feelings. Not because the stories are
bad. On the contrary, they are

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 李翊云。
: 纽约客把她列为美国目前40岁以下最出色的20名作家之一。
: Iowa的写作program很难进的,全美最强,九十年代50%普利策获奖者都是从那出来的。
: 李翊云能被录取很不容易,不过当时系主任不让她念creative writing,因为母语不是
: 英语。后来第一年下来,她的作品在纽约客巴黎评论这样的顶级文学刊物发表后,才转
: 的到cw的。
: 她的第一部短篇小说集A Thousand Years of Good Prayers得了很多美国和国际性的大
: 奖,还被美国的华人著名华人导演王颖拍成了电影。
: 去年她发表了第一部长篇,The Vagrants,以她老公东北老家浑江为背景,讲的是70年
: 代的事。

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p*2
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我们用了 很失败 远远没有node成功
当然解决的问题也不同

【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 有成功的应用vert.x的大规模网站(或者web service)实例么?
: 非常好奇怎么控制session, load balance

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n*b
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Can not agree more with this comment, especially on her being "low life".
For those who are impressed by the titles and awards she won, please read
her work, in particular, her early writing. You may reach your own
conclusion about how low her life can be and where her success is built on.
She got her fame by manipulating the fiction as if her own experience.


not
own
whether
..
the
act

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
: sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
: She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
: opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
: novels and ever heard her on the Diane Rhem show (NPR), I am not sure whether
: they would agree that she is an individual with integrity and principles...
: I am no nationalist; On the contrary that I never deny nor am shy

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z*e
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那为啥还放上去呢?
不make sense啊
想告诉别人自己失败的经验?

【在 p*****2 的大作中提到】
: 我们用了 很失败 远远没有node成功
: 当然解决的问题也不同

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n*k
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absolutely!
Below comes another thread of comment from amazon...
A worst and a most disgusting part is as mentioned in the comment and Ms. Li
actually reiterated that on NPR as well, which is what disgusted and
promoted me to looked into this low life and her shameless writings!
"If you grew up in a language that you never used to express your feelings,
it would be easier to take another language (English, of course) and talk
more in the new language. It makes you a new person." - A Thousand Ye

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: Can not agree more with this comment, especially on her being "low life".
: For those who are impressed by the titles and awards she won, please read
: her work, in particular, her early writing. You may reach your own
: conclusion about how low her life can be and where her success is built on.
: She got her fame by manipulating the fiction as if her own experience.
:
:
: not
: own
: whether

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f*w
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分别最适合什么应用?

【在 p*****2 的大作中提到】
: 我们用了 很失败 远远没有node成功
: 当然解决的问题也不同

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h*u
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I haven't read her books and don't know her much. I just glanced some
excerpts of "A Thousand Years of Good Prayers" in Google Book. I am not
sure that the harsh words like "shameless" and "low life" are really
justified. The story in her novel happened 30, 40 years ago in some
rural area in China. Fiction writers certainly have rights to express
their opinions, just like you have strong opinions of her writings.
Those novels are usually controversial anyway, even for the noble prize
winnin

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: One comment from a writer on one of her book.
: Anyway, be a decent individual and then be a successful one...ironically,
: not sure this society really approves/values this basic human dignity...
: 17 of 19 people found the following review helpful:
: 3.0 out of 5 stars Black/White, September 29, 2008
: By Milan R. "zzz"
: This review is from: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers: Stories (Paperback)
: I finished this book and I have mixed feelings. Not because the stories are
: bad. On the contrary, they are

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p*2
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node优势做web service 跟fe 交互非常容易
vertx就是并发框架 类似的东西有很多 比如akka golang
node虽然也能做 但是不是最强的地方 而且除了uber和我们 貌似也很少公司这么玩

【在 f*****w 的大作中提到】
: 分别最适合什么应用?
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n*k
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If I may, I would recommend to read her novel ?or listen to her interview
first before one would like to speak/disagree...it is not the stories but
the demeaning tones/implications between the lines or implied by her
conversations during the interview, it is very obvious!..
I frankly have not even a least respect for her...a low life would be my
most respectful for such a living creature...I tried hard to hold back my
comments in this public place, to be very honest.
BTW, the case of Zhang Yimo

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: I haven't read her books and don't know her much. I just glanced some
: excerpts of "A Thousand Years of Good Prayers" in Google Book. I am not
: sure that the harsh words like "shameless" and "low life" are really
: justified. The story in her novel happened 30, 40 years ago in some
: rural area in China. Fiction writers certainly have rights to express
: their opinions, just like you have strong opinions of her writings.
: Those novels are usually controversial anyway, even for the noble prize
: winnin

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z*e
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简单说就是node不适合做并发
node做的ws只不过一个简单的web protocol的listener而已
只要是专门针对网络的框架,都可以轻松实现ws的接口
包括akka和go,只能说node比较弱,无法实现并发
which在其他语言根本不是问题,只有脚本是大问题

【在 p*****2 的大作中提到】
: node优势做web service 跟fe 交互非常容易
: vertx就是并发框架 类似的东西有很多 比如akka golang
: node虽然也能做 但是不是最强的地方 而且除了uber和我们 貌似也很少公司这么玩

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a*n
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I don't think anyone can "over-selling/over-extragerate the dark
side of China".
The country was screwed badly by commies. Blame the "party", don't blame the
messenger.
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c*e
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比如怎么集成ibm http server和vertx?
eventloop需要放到防火墙里面吧?
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O*e
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在美国宣扬中国的黑暗面,目的何在?游说美国人去解放水深火热中的同胞??
靠这户口活命我能理解,但把自己推到一个虚无的高度就假得太过分了。

the

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: I don't think anyone can "over-selling/over-extragerate the dark
: side of China".
: The country was screwed badly by commies. Blame the "party", don't blame the
: messenger.

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y*h
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老将请出门右转。

the

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: I don't think anyone can "over-selling/over-extragerate the dark
: side of China".
: The country was screwed badly by commies. Blame the "party", don't blame the
: messenger.

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a*n
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跟中宣部一个政策哈.说点TG的坏话我就成老将了?

【在 y****h 的大作中提到】
: 老将请出门右转。
:
: the

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a*n
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上这儿来的都是中国人吧?游说美国人谁上这儿来啊。
对中国的过去和现状,每个人都有自己不同的看法,可以不同意,但希望能理解。

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 在美国宣扬中国的黑暗面,目的何在?游说美国人去解放水深火热中的同胞??
: 靠这户口活命我能理解,但把自己推到一个虚无的高度就假得太过分了。
:
: the

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T*i
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她的第一本书我读过。文笔挺好的。但情节很灰暗。有两篇我还感觉以前在哪里看过类
似的情节,没准儿是故事会。不过即使是借用的情节,她改编的也挺好。文革我没有记
忆,但有很多更可怕或更可笑的事是发生过的。只是她书的调子实在太灰暗了,看了之
后很不舒服。即使不是讲文革的故事,也是如此。比如,有一篇讲同性恋的。总之,看
了她的书之后,会觉得不但中国政治上一无是处,文化上也一无是处,人都是阴气很重
的行尸走肉或怪人。希望她的新书会多写一些美国的非华人的故事,那才能体现她的本
事。
另外,感觉有些中国人在精神上已经被打倒了,奴性很重。曾有一位女同学,在我面前
夸一美国女人漂亮。我说,此美国女人很一般吧。结果女同学说,不管怎样,毕竟是白
人,就是比亚洲人漂亮。
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b*n
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要点没掌握
中国女性一般夸比自己长得差的女人好看
这时候你送上一句我觉得那个谁谁谁没有你好看
绝对换来该女生的表面上的惊讶和深达内伤的暗爽

【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 她的第一本书我读过。文笔挺好的。但情节很灰暗。有两篇我还感觉以前在哪里看过类
: 似的情节,没准儿是故事会。不过即使是借用的情节,她改编的也挺好。文革我没有记
: 忆,但有很多更可怕或更可笑的事是发生过的。只是她书的调子实在太灰暗了,看了之
: 后很不舒服。即使不是讲文革的故事,也是如此。比如,有一篇讲同性恋的。总之,看
: 了她的书之后,会觉得不但中国政治上一无是处,文化上也一无是处,人都是阴气很重
: 的行尸走肉或怪人。希望她的新书会多写一些美国的非华人的故事,那才能体现她的本
: 事。
: 另外,感觉有些中国人在精神上已经被打倒了,奴性很重。曾有一位女同学,在我面前
: 夸一美国女人漂亮。我说,此美国女人很一般吧。结果女同学说,不管怎样,毕竟是白
: 人,就是比亚洲人漂亮。

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n*k
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Ms Li or what? If yes, get out of our sight, I don't talk to low life,
seriously and period!

the

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: I don't think anyone can "over-selling/over-extragerate the dark
: side of China".
: The country was screwed badly by commies. Blame the "party", don't blame the
: messenger.

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T*i
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我先夸的女同学,说她是系花,已经很肉麻了。她才扯到美国女人身上。难道接着肉麻
?另,她那时已婚。

【在 b******n 的大作中提到】
: 要点没掌握
: 中国女性一般夸比自己长得差的女人好看
: 这时候你送上一句我觉得那个谁谁谁没有你好看
: 绝对换来该女生的表面上的惊讶和深达内伤的暗爽

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p*n
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她思想里这么重的阴暗究竟是文革造成的还是源于千老经历?哈哈
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n*k
37
neither; it is gene determination or through her family blood/brought-up
whatever...it was too young to even
know anything about revolution and it was too snobbish to be a 千老...
Amazingly, seems it is not a WF:))))

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: 她思想里这么重的阴暗究竟是文革造成的还是源于千老经历?哈哈
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n*k
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sorry being so mean but it really disgusted me way too much with its NPR
interview and its bullshit writings...

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: neither; it is gene determination or through her family blood/brought-up
: whatever...it was too young to even
: know anything about revolution and it was too snobbish to be a 千老...
: Amazingly, seems it is not a WF:))))

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p*n
39
这次俺理解你,NPR那些狗屁玩意实在口味很重,上次不小心听到一个什么巴勒斯坦还
是哪儿部落的衙内
自愿给犹太人当间谍,换取几年后资助来米国上大学...被刻画成是为了和平....

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: sorry being so mean but it really disgusted me way too much with its NPR
: interview and its bullshit writings...

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s*a
40
I heard her interview on NPR too, which made me sick.
I respect her talent but cannot respect her as a person. And don't get me
wrong - I love NPR and my radio is on nothing but NPR.
This lady does not have the heart and backbone to go far.
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p*r
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还好吧。 我十多年前她还没出名的时候见过她,挺可爱一小姑娘。
不过我不觉得她有才。 真正有才的我觉得是她的一个同学。那姑娘回国当女权主义运
动领袖去了。

am not
his/her own
whether
principles...
about the
as
life act
dark

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
: sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
: She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
: opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
: novels and ever heard her on the Diane Rhem show (NPR), I am not sure whether
: they would agree that she is an individual with integrity and principles...
: I am no nationalist; On the contrary that I never deny nor am shy

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r*y
42
I know those too...from her interview with NPR on the radio. :)

【在 d*******e 的大作中提到】
: 知道的这么清楚?还有没有什么八卦?
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r*y
43
Geee
You could accumulate such strong hatred to someone you only know from her
writings and talks? Come on, give yourself a break.

not
own
whether
..
the
act

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
: sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
: She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
: opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
: novels and ever heard her on the Diane Rhem show (NPR), I am not sure whether
: they would agree that she is an individual with integrity and principles...
: I am no nationalist; On the contrary that I never deny nor am shy

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p*n
44
非得上过床才能讨厌一个人吗

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: Geee
: You could accumulate such strong hatred to someone you only know from her
: writings and talks? Come on, give yourself a break.
:
: not
: own
: whether
: ..
: the
: act

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r*y
45
I've read her fictions...
I agree those are the kind of topic that could have some appeal to some
westerners. I don't share her opinions about China in the past; I do think
she looks at the dark side more often than others; but she has the freedom
to have any opinion she would like to have, right? As far as "where her
success is built on", it is first nobody's business, and second I doubt that
she intentionally forced herself to hold belief that she does not believe in
just for sake of being the

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: Can not agree more with this comment, especially on her being "low life".
: For those who are impressed by the titles and awards she won, please read
: her work, in particular, her early writing. You may reach your own
: conclusion about how low her life can be and where her success is built on.
: She got her fame by manipulating the fiction as if her own experience.
:
:
: not
: own
: whether

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r*y
46
I think she switched to pursue writing even before she got her PhD.

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: 她思想里这么重的阴暗究竟是文革造成的还是源于千老经历?哈哈
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r*y
47
How far do you think she would otherwise be able to go? Just curious...

【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: I heard her interview on NPR too, which made me sick.
: I respect her talent but cannot respect her as a person. And don't get me
: wrong - I love NPR and my radio is on nothing but NPR.
: This lady does not have the heart and backbone to go far.

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p*y
48
这位女作家不就是前些天我转过来一个贴,但是那个贴被版主删掉那位吗?
当时看了那个贴,觉得很有意思才转过来给你们看看。this one:
发信人: NanoSpeed (纳米速度), 信区: History
标 题: Re: 文科理科本无高低贵贱,但是中国文科生你们拽什么?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 17 23:21:17 2010, 美东)
这个人
http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%9D%8E%E7%BF%8A%E4%BA%91
李翊云(1973年-)是一位在美国用英文写作的华人作家。生于北京,1996年毕业于北
京大学生物系。2000年获美国艾奥瓦大学免疫专业硕士,2005年获同校艺术创作硕士学
位。
她至今的创作均为短篇小说,曾在《纽约客》和《巴黎评论》上发表。2005年结集出版
的《千年修得共枕眠》(英文名《A Thousand Years of Good Prayers》获弗兰克·奥
康纳国际短篇小说奖(Frank O'Connor International Short Story Award)和国际作
家协会海明威小
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O*e
49
write something different and more positive

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: How far do you think she would otherwise be able to go? Just curious...
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r*y
50
For someone never gets in your way, never does anything that could affect
your
life, and you do not know in person, if I don't like her work or opinion, I
can easily ignore the existence of she and her work, rather than being so
emotional when talk about this person. Anyway, I could dislike such a person
,
but I would not be able to hate her.
I don't see the logic of your argument at all.

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: 非得上过床才能讨厌一个人吗
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O*e
51
"she has the freedom to have any opinion she would like to have"显然是错误的。
有些观点你是不能说,说不得,或者只能少说的。这样的例子不要太多。

that
in
and

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I've read her fictions...
: I agree those are the kind of topic that could have some appeal to some
: westerners. I don't share her opinions about China in the past; I do think
: she looks at the dark side more often than others; but she has the freedom
: to have any opinion she would like to have, right? As far as "where her
: success is built on", it is first nobody's business, and second I doubt that
: she intentionally forced herself to hold belief that she does not believe in
: just for sake of being the

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O*e
52
Why are you being so nice? Her work is hurting the images of China and
Chinese
people, which is irrelevant to our lives??

I
person

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: For someone never gets in your way, never does anything that could affect
: your
: life, and you do not know in person, if I don't like her work or opinion, I
: can easily ignore the existence of she and her work, rather than being so
: emotional when talk about this person. Anyway, I could dislike such a person
: ,
: but I would not be able to hate her.
: I don't see the logic of your argument at all.

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p*y
53
就像张艺谋的电影,什么大红灯笼高高挂,好像还得奖,我却觉得很难看,
每次说到中国农村,我就想到张艺谋的电影。跟鲁迅作品一样,悲惨人生。

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 在美国宣扬中国的黑暗面,目的何在?游说美国人去解放水深火热中的同胞??
: 靠这户口活命我能理解,但把自己推到一个虚无的高度就假得太过分了。
:
: the

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r*y
54
Seriously, I think many talented writers have more sensitive pain spots and
those might be the inspirations for their writing; that is why very often we
see writers look at the dark side more than other people. They are happy
writers writing the sunshine, and they are gloomy ones writing the black
holes; we as readers always have the option whose book to read, so I don't
see
the point of wanting a specific writer to write something different.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: write something different and more positive
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O*e
55
也没人拿着枪逼着她改写作题材啊。不过道理很简单,只要她继续这样写作,就应该做好
接受更多批评和憎恨的心理准备。她有写作自由,别人不也有批评和憎恨的自由。

and
we

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: Seriously, I think many talented writers have more sensitive pain spots and
: those might be the inspirations for their writing; that is why very often we
: see writers look at the dark side more than other people. They are happy
: writers writing the sunshine, and they are gloomy ones writing the black
: holes; we as readers always have the option whose book to read, so I don't
: see
: the point of wanting a specific writer to write something different.

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r*y
56
I just don't get the point to be so angry.
There are lots of people write or say things about the dark side of China or
Chinese people, if we then have to be angry at each one of them then we
probably would not have much time or energy left to be remotely productive.
If
you are good enough, nobody can hurt your image... and everyone dies,
nothing
really lasts, if the image really gets hurt just because there is this major
switching writer Ms. Li in the whole wild world as you suggest, it may not

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Why are you being so nice? Her work is hurting the images of China and
: Chinese
: people, which is irrelevant to our lives??
:
: I
: person

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p*n
57
i have to agree with banda.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Why are you being so nice? Her work is hurting the images of China and
: Chinese
: people, which is irrelevant to our lives??
:
: I
: person

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r*y
58
This I agree...but calling her (not her work) low-life etc, sounds bad to me.

做好

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 也没人拿着枪逼着她改写作题材啊。不过道理很简单,只要她继续这样写作,就应该做好
: 接受更多批评和憎恨的心理准备。她有写作自由,别人不也有批评和憎恨的自由。
:
: and
: we

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p*n
59
你说的道理基于这样一个事实
就是我们只看作品和受众之间的文学上的感受及意义。
但是,具体到目前的这个议题,你认为有没有政治上的因素呢。
她的文学作品的成功是purely的文字上的,艺术上的,思想上的成功,还是有别的因素。
是不是可能迎合了一些对抗性的,negative的风潮呢?

or
.
major

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I just don't get the point to be so angry.
: There are lots of people write or say things about the dark side of China or
: Chinese people, if we then have to be angry at each one of them then we
: probably would not have much time or energy left to be remotely productive.
: If
: you are good enough, nobody can hurt your image... and everyone dies,
: nothing
: really lasts, if the image really gets hurt just because there is this major
: switching writer Ms. Li in the whole wild world as you suggest, it may not

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a*c
60
你亲身见过这种人就知道有多可气了。某次聚会,一个新生极力说中国多不好,气得我
甩门就走。
或者你去听听diane rehm那个老女人说起中国的那种语气。

or
.
major

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I just don't get the point to be so angry.
: There are lots of people write or say things about the dark side of China or
: Chinese people, if we then have to be angry at each one of them then we
: probably would not have much time or energy left to be remotely productive.
: If
: you are good enough, nobody can hurt your image... and everyone dies,
: nothing
: really lasts, if the image really gets hurt just because there is this major
: switching writer Ms. Li in the whole wild world as you suggest, it may not

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O*e
61
1st, you don't need 24/7 to hate somebody;
2nd, we know we have problems and we are trying our best to correct them;
3rd, we Chinese people can get these things done ourselves;
4th, the Chinese people who are living in a foreign country can be benefited/
hurt by good/bad images;
5th, we all die but we Chinese will live forever;
6th, idealism can't get you anywhere in this world ...

or
.
major

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I just don't get the point to be so angry.
: There are lots of people write or say things about the dark side of China or
: Chinese people, if we then have to be angry at each one of them then we
: probably would not have much time or energy left to be remotely productive.
: If
: you are good enough, nobody can hurt your image... and everyone dies,
: nothing
: really lasts, if the image really gets hurt just because there is this major
: switching writer Ms. Li in the whole wild world as you suggest, it may not

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p*n
62
厌恶一个人花不了什么资源。也许你大脑内存比较小,不过俺同时厌恶着在美国几千上
万的法轮子,厌
恶他们是不是在菜店门口冲俺举牌子恶心人,可就算他们人数变成7千万,也不至于影
响俺的energy
and productivity. 这位Ms.Li对俺来说就是多了一个轮子而已。

China or
productive.
major
not

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I just don't get the point to be so angry.
: There are lots of people write or say things about the dark side of China or
: Chinese people, if we then have to be angry at each one of them then we
: probably would not have much time or energy left to be remotely productive.
: If
: you are good enough, nobody can hurt your image... and everyone dies,
: nothing
: really lasts, if the image really gets hurt just because there is this major
: switching writer Ms. Li in the whole wild world as you suggest, it may not

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O*e
63
对于这一类的同胞,要先以教育拉拢为主。无药可救的,干脆将他们疏远隔离。

【在 a****c 的大作中提到】
: 你亲身见过这种人就知道有多可气了。某次聚会,一个新生极力说中国多不好,气得我
: 甩门就走。
: 或者你去听听diane rehm那个老女人说起中国的那种语气。
:
: or
: .
: major

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p*y
64
你有没有看过她的书?刚google:
http://www.amazon.com/Thousand-Years-Good-Prayers-Stories/dp/1400063124
这本与文革有关,很难有什么正面的故事。

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Why are you being so nice? Her work is hurting the images of China and
: Chinese
: people, which is irrelevant to our lives??
:
: I
: person

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r*y
65
I think that is not a "probability", it is the very truth that her becoming
noticed and famous are because of her frequent topics have appeal to some
parties or at least get a boost from them.
However, my point is, she is just a writer, sitting in her house writing
fictions that express her view of life; we don't have to jump out calling
names and attack her as a real person.

素。

【在 p*****n 的大作中提到】
: 你说的道理基于这样一个事实
: 就是我们只看作品和受众之间的文学上的感受及意义。
: 但是,具体到目前的这个议题,你认为有没有政治上的因素呢。
: 她的文学作品的成功是purely的文字上的,艺术上的,思想上的成功,还是有别的因素。
: 是不是可能迎合了一些对抗性的,negative的风潮呢?
:
: or
: .
: major

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O*e
66
话说现在flg的动静好像越来越小了。
很久很久很久以前,俺对他们还有一点点同情心的。可自从他们开始愚蠢地反中国以后,
俺对他们除了厌恶还是厌恶。

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: 厌恶一个人花不了什么资源。也许你大脑内存比较小,不过俺同时厌恶着在美国几千上
: 万的法轮子,厌
: 恶他们是不是在菜店门口冲俺举牌子恶心人,可就算他们人数变成7千万,也不至于影
: 响俺的energy
: and productivity. 这位Ms.Li对俺来说就是多了一个轮子而已。
:
: China or
: productive.
: major
: not

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r*y
67
If I were you in that situation, I would do the same.
However, you did not jump up, point to that new student's nose, and call
him/her a low-life, right?

【在 a****c 的大作中提到】
: 你亲身见过这种人就知道有多可气了。某次聚会,一个新生极力说中国多不好,气得我
: 甩门就走。
: 或者你去听听diane rehm那个老女人说起中国的那种语气。
:
: or
: .
: major

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r*y
68
so can being an extremist get you somewhere better?

benefited/

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 1st, you don't need 24/7 to hate somebody;
: 2nd, we know we have problems and we are trying our best to correct them;
: 3rd, we Chinese people can get these things done ourselves;
: 4th, the Chinese people who are living in a foreign country can be benefited/
: hurt by good/bad images;
: 5th, we all die but we Chinese will live forever;
: 6th, idealism can't get you anywhere in this world ...
:
: or
: .

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p*n
69
你是不是在说所有的批评都只能当面说给Ms.Li听?

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: If I were you in that situation, I would do the same.
: However, you did not jump up, point to that new student's nose, and call
: him/her a low-life, right?

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y*i
70

and
we
别人把例子都拿出来了,你就别空对空的把所有东西都归咎于“sensitivity”.
你认为说下面这种话是因为“have more sensitive pain spots”?
"If you grew up in a language that you never used to express your feelings,

it would be easier to take another language (English, of course) and talk

more in the new language. It makes you a new person." - A Thousand Year's

Good Prayer
是不是过度敏锐,别人是看得出来的。别人之所以反感她,显然前提就是认为她的意
见不是出于什么过于敏锐。

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: Seriously, I think many talented writers have more sensitive pain spots and
: those might be the inspirations for their writing; that is why very often we
: see writers look at the dark side more than other people. They are happy
: writers writing the sunshine, and they are gloomy ones writing the black
: holes; we as readers always have the option whose book to read, so I don't
: see
: the point of wanting a specific writer to write something different.

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O*e
71
R U saying that most people are extremists?

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: so can being an extremist get you somewhere better?
:
: benefited/

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y*i
72
空话,要是有人指着你的鼻子骂XXXX,你的hatred积累得更快。你不把事实摆出来,
有什么理由说别人“accumulate such strong hatred”?

principles.
as
dark

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: Geee
: You could accumulate such strong hatred to someone you only know from her
: writings and talks? Come on, give yourself a break.
:
: not
: own
: whether
: ..
: the
: act

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y*i
73
罗列一堆不相关的事情然后说“Why people show so much anger about that. ”
好比对美国人说:
他不过是带头巾
他不过是到处乱走
他不过是每天吃午餐,
为什么你们就这么恨他---本拉登?

that
in
and
read


【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I've read her fictions...
: I agree those are the kind of topic that could have some appeal to some
: westerners. I don't share her opinions about China in the past; I do think
: she looks at the dark side more often than others; but she has the freedom
: to have any opinion she would like to have, right? As far as "where her
: success is built on", it is first nobody's business, and second I doubt that
: she intentionally forced herself to hold belief that she does not believe in
: just for sake of being the

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p*y
74
你们是不是太敏感了啊?什么导致你们这样敏感?
我看那段话没感觉,为什么要在意?有必要这样就憎恨讨厌人?

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 罗列一堆不相关的事情然后说“Why people show so much anger about that. ”
: 好比对美国人说:
: 他不过是带头巾
: 他不过是到处乱走
: 他不过是每天吃午餐,
: 为什么你们就这么恨他---本拉登?
:
: that
: in
: and

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y*i
75
一堆空话。
别人为什么不喜欢,或者厌恶她,理由摆得清清楚楚,合理的逻辑是你指着她激怒
别人的话说:这些话不该激怒你。而不是列一堆有的没的然后说“but I would not be
able to hate her.”
你这种诡辩手段是怎么养成的,比较奇怪。

I
person

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: For someone never gets in your way, never does anything that could affect
: your
: life, and you do not know in person, if I don't like her work or opinion, I
: can easily ignore the existence of she and her work, rather than being so
: emotional when talk about this person. Anyway, I could dislike such a person
: ,
: but I would not be able to hate her.
: I don't see the logic of your argument at all.

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p*n
76
写作课教的吧

be

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 一堆空话。
: 别人为什么不喜欢,或者厌恶她,理由摆得清清楚楚,合理的逻辑是你指着她激怒
: 别人的话说:这些话不该激怒你。而不是列一堆有的没的然后说“but I would not be
: able to hate her.”
: 你这种诡辩手段是怎么养成的,比较奇怪。
:
: I
: person

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y*i
77
没感觉是个正常的理由。我反驳的不是ramsey没感觉,而是她非正常的有意回避具体
讨论对象,在那里空谈。

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们是不是太敏感了啊?什么导致你们这样敏感?
: 我看那段话没感觉,为什么要在意?有必要这样就憎恨讨厌人?

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p*y
78
就一个作家,而且你还没读她的书就可以让你这么讨厌她,她确实成功了。
要是你们担心她负面描述中国会影响中国的形象,这点你们不用担心,
一个国家的形象,不是一个小小作家可以影响的。中国在国际上的形象,
比如最近钓鱼台事件,以及在美国的中国人的整体素质才能影响。

be

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 没感觉是个正常的理由。我反驳的不是ramsey没感觉,而是她非正常的有意回避具体
: 讨论对象,在那里空谈。

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y*i
79
反感她不是担心她的什么影响,而是因为她说的话是错的,而且她说这些话的体现了
让人反感的动机,或她人性中负面的部分,为了个人的情绪/利益,不顾基本事实,不
顾同胞和祖国,这样的事情的背后,必然有人性中巨大的扭曲。这些让人反感。

激怒
not

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 就一个作家,而且你还没读她的书就可以让你这么讨厌她,她确实成功了。
: 要是你们担心她负面描述中国会影响中国的形象,这点你们不用担心,
: 一个国家的形象,不是一个小小作家可以影响的。中国在国际上的形象,
: 比如最近钓鱼台事件,以及在美国的中国人的整体素质才能影响。
:
: be

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p*y
80
73年出生,北京人,北大本科,美国读MS,结婚生子,
做家庭主妇,学写作,得奖出名,然后在加州某大学教书。
看起来一帆风顺的人生,能有什么事情让她人性扭曲?没有吧?
无非是崇美,有些观点比较偏激,说的话有些中国人听了不高兴。

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 反感她不是担心她的什么影响,而是因为她说的话是错的,而且她说这些话的体现了
: 让人反感的动机,或她人性中负面的部分,为了个人的情绪/利益,不顾基本事实,不
: 顾同胞和祖国,这样的事情的背后,必然有人性中巨大的扭曲。这些让人反感。
:
: 激怒
: not

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y*i
81
你看看书听听NPR interview,再跟看过书,听过NPR interview的人讨论就是了。这
么空对空就是乱猜而已。

现了
,不

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 73年出生,北京人,北大本科,美国读MS,结婚生子,
: 做家庭主妇,学写作,得奖出名,然后在加州某大学教书。
: 看起来一帆风顺的人生,能有什么事情让她人性扭曲?没有吧?
: 无非是崇美,有些观点比较偏激,说的话有些中国人听了不高兴。

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l*k
82
钓鱼岛,而非钓鱼台,那是某些鬼子/非人类/美国的狗腿子的叫法
发信人: purity (purity), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 16:29:57 2010, 美东)
就一个作家,而且你还没读她的书就可以让你这么讨厌她,她确实成功了。
要是你们担心她负面描述中国会影响中国的形象,这点你们不用担心,
一个国家的形象,不是一个小小作家可以影响的。中国在国际上的形象,
比如最近钓鱼台事件,以及在美国的中国人的整体素质才能影响。
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l*k
83
老大,你也这么不淡定了啊,好像您这也是go personal了吧,不过我支持你,对这种
数典忘祖,崇洋媚外的biao子,就该揪出来痛骂
发信人: neverthink (nevernetbug), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 28 19:02:39 2010, 美东)
Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
novels and ever h
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p*y
84
打错字,你有必要这么敏感吗?
你们是不是本科的时候政治课上太多了?政治觉悟特别高。

【在 l*******k 的大作中提到】
: 钓鱼岛,而非钓鱼台,那是某些鬼子/非人类/美国的狗腿子的叫法
: 发信人: purity (purity), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 16:29:57 2010, 美东)
: 就一个作家,而且你还没读她的书就可以让你这么讨厌她,她确实成功了。
: 要是你们担心她负面描述中国会影响中国的形象,这点你们不用担心,
: 一个国家的形象,不是一个小小作家可以影响的。中国在国际上的形象,
: 比如最近钓鱼台事件,以及在美国的中国人的整体素质才能影响。

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a*n
85
在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊
云和Lahiri描写的那些阴暗时,不会去想中国人/印度人或者中国/印度怎么这么变态。
他们看到的是人性的黑暗,他们也更在乎对人性的批判。当然普通读者会有各自不
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p*y
86
就算我听了,我也不会觉得怎样,不就一个人的观点嘛,
你们特别敏感,一个韩寒就可以让你们讨厌他整天骂他。

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 你看看书听听NPR interview,再跟看过书,听过NPR interview的人讨论就是了。这
: 么空对空就是乱猜而已。
:
: 现了
: ,不

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l*k
87
对不起啊,并非针对你,而是针对那些明明是中国人,偏偏愿意当日本鬼子的龟孙子,
把钓鱼岛叫成钓鱼台的
发信人: purity (purity), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 17:05:34 2010, 美东)
打错字,你有必要这么敏感吗?
你们是不是本科的时候政治课上太多了?政治觉悟特别高。

【在 l*******k 的大作中提到】
: 钓鱼岛,而非钓鱼台,那是某些鬼子/非人类/美国的狗腿子的叫法
: 发信人: purity (purity), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 16:29:57 2010, 美东)
: 就一个作家,而且你还没读她的书就可以让你这么讨厌她,她确实成功了。
: 要是你们担心她负面描述中国会影响中国的形象,这点你们不用担心,
: 一个国家的形象,不是一个小小作家可以影响的。中国在国际上的形象,
: 比如最近钓鱼台事件,以及在美国的中国人的整体素质才能影响。

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p*y
88
美国最有名的当代华裔作家是Amy Tan,她的书被翻译成三十多种语言,
她描写亲情特别细致感人,很多文学课程和写作课会选读她的作品。

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
: ,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
: Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
: 翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
: 策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
: 国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
: Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
: 里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
: 的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
: 大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊

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p*y
89
我不是故意的,这两个名称一不小心就打错,
我很讨厌日本政府,到现在还不道歉,还乱写历史教课书。

【在 l*******k 的大作中提到】
: 对不起啊,并非针对你,而是针对那些明明是中国人,偏偏愿意当日本鬼子的龟孙子,
: 把钓鱼岛叫成钓鱼台的
: 发信人: purity (purity), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 17:05:34 2010, 美东)
: 打错字,你有必要这么敏感吗?
: 你们是不是本科的时候政治课上太多了?政治觉悟特别高。

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s*r
90
人性都是鬼扯淡,你写一个和和美美,平平淡淡的生活,这里面人性太多了,太普遍了,
但是不会有人看。
只有弄些耸人听闻,匪夷所思的东西,才能吸引注意力。

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
: ,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
: Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
: 翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
: 策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
: 国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
: Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
: 里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
: 的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
: 大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊

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C*e
91
我觉得这句话说的超级好
“I doubt I'd be able to write this type of book about my mother land. maybe
that's not something I should be proud of but I simply couldn't neglect
part I love. ”
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n*k
92
hello! u don't get it! Please don't
1: I don't hate it at all! it is just that I couldn't be more disgusted by
such a low life...
2. I have no respect for it...
3: It is not about personal or not, it is about principle, right and wrong
and integrity!
4. Many of your argue points make no sense to me. if I may, I would say it
is bullshitting!
5. Have u ever read Ray Huang? If not yet, read him. It will help you step
out of yourself and broad ur mind
and vision as well. Both Gao XingJian and Yiy

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: I just don't get the point to be so angry.
: There are lots of people write or say things about the dark side of China or
: Chinese people, if we then have to be angry at each one of them then we
: probably would not have much time or energy left to be remotely productive.
: If
: you are good enough, nobody can hurt your image... and everyone dies,
: nothing
: really lasts, if the image really gets hurt just because there is this major
: switching writer Ms. Li in the whole wild world as you suggest, it may not

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n*k
93
Gosh! Too busy to reply this kind confusing/superfacial message...to be
clear, it is not about its
writing/contents being dark or not...it is more about its motives, the tone
and the demeaning
gesture/intent between the lines! As I said earlier, I am a fan of those
movies/books picturing the very
dark side of China/Chinese. Myself is very critical about China/Chinese as I
am with science. And I am no
nationalist at all...However there is a bottomline: write/tell a very very
very dark story in a

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
: ,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
: Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
: 翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
: 策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
: 国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
: Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
: 里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
: 的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
: 大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊

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l*k
94
我来补充一点,Jhumpa Lahiri也只是在写美国的印度移民,她自己属于这个群体的一
部分,自然有切身的体会。而李是在迎合西方人的口味,靠自己的想象来诋毁自己祖国
的形象,这个要比Jhumpa Lahiri恶劣的多。光是那句If you grew up in a language
that you never used to express your feelings,
it would be easier to take another language (English, of course) and talk
more in the new language. It makes you a new person.就能把人恶心死
发信人: neverthink (nevernetbug), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 21:36:35 2010, 美东)
Gosh! Too busy to reply this kind confusin

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
: ,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
: Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
: 翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
: 策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
: 国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
: Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
: 里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
: 的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
: 大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊

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n*k
95
well, yes and no...I think this time it is about principle, and it is so
obvious! I only used the low life, right and
make it my personal opinion too:))), anyway, have fun!

not
own

【在 l*******k 的大作中提到】
: 老大,你也这么不淡定了啊,好像您这也是go personal了吧,不过我支持你,对这种
: 数典忘祖,崇洋媚外的biao子,就该揪出来痛骂
: 发信人: neverthink (nevernetbug), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 28 19:02:39 2010, 美东)
: Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
: sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
: She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
: opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
: novels and ever h

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n*k
96
absolutely! but those couple of IDs and Ms. Li don't seem to be able to
appreciate such a simple
feeling...writers sometimes need to be detached from their own writings but
I don't think it is applicable to
Ms. Li or Mr Gao's case at all...talking about hatred: in both Ms. Li and Mr
. Gao's writings, they have mixed
way way too much their own hatred...To me, it literally likes they are
pouring out their personal hatred which
has been repressed for so so long and is ready to explode any moment...

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得这句话说的超级好
: “I doubt I'd be able to write this type of book about my mother land. maybe
: that's not something I should be proud of but I simply couldn't neglect
: part I love. ”

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j*a
97
忍不住上来冒个泡支持一下!这样的人我周围就一个。国内来的交换学者,医生,女。
一面和我们同
胞面前说自己如何有钱,作为医生社会地位如何高(原话是:在国内,只有别人求我们
没有我们求人
的)。一面在美国人面前哭诉中国是如何不尊重医生这个职业的。她对我们老板说(我
们老板是美国
MD):你们美国医生看一个病收门诊费100美金,我们一个中国医生才收一美金。她交换
这一年生了孩
子,然后对美国人说:她要在中国的话就会全家被迫害(二胎)。甚至一个R&D 销售员
来我们实验室
推销,她也祥林嫂一样拉着人家说中国试剂有多贵,比美国卖得贵多了。都让政府把钱
给收去了。
在美国人面前,从来没有在她嘴里听过中国一点好。所有听的人都微微笑,附和着同情
我们中国人。
然后同情之余都尽力帮助她。
我不明白为什么世界上有这样的人,这么实际,为了利益,为了一点点的方便,就把自
己不停的放在
同情者的地位,弱者的地位。他们的self-esteem是如此的低,只要能有对自己的好处
,是没有自
尊的,没有活着的尊严的,更不谈什么骄傲骨气了。
你们谈论的这个女作家,我可以想象大约是怎样的。她和我上面说的那个国内的访问学


【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: absolutely! but those couple of IDs and Ms. Li don't seem to be able to
: appreciate such a simple
: feeling...writers sometimes need to be detached from their own writings but
: I don't think it is applicable to
: Ms. Li or Mr Gao's case at all...talking about hatred: in both Ms. Li and Mr
: . Gao's writings, they have mixed
: way way too much their own hatred...To me, it literally likes they are
: pouring out their personal hatred which
: has been repressed for so so long and is ready to explode any moment...

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p*r
98
我说两句。其实写文革没什么,主要不觉得她有才。
她自己也没有亲身经历,很多就是把以前国内的材料翻译下,再写一遍,我觉得主要是
给老美看看
啦。
和余华比比就知道区别了。 甚至和王安忆,方方。
她得奖,只能说明美国文坛现在太糟糕了。

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
: ,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
: Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
: 翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
: 策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
: 国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
: Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
: 里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
: 的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
: 大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊

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p*r
99
Amy Tan 不错。

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 美国最有名的当代华裔作家是Amy Tan,她的书被翻译成三十多种语言,
: 她描写亲情特别细致感人,很多文学课程和写作课会选读她的作品。

avatar
p*r
100
这点我比较同意。

language
talk

【在 l*******k 的大作中提到】
: 我来补充一点,Jhumpa Lahiri也只是在写美国的印度移民,她自己属于这个群体的一
: 部分,自然有切身的体会。而李是在迎合西方人的口味,靠自己的想象来诋毁自己祖国
: 的形象,这个要比Jhumpa Lahiri恶劣的多。光是那句If you grew up in a language
: that you never used to express your feelings,
: it would be easier to take another language (English, of course) and talk
: more in the new language. It makes you a new person.就能把人恶心死
: 发信人: neverthink (nevernetbug), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 30 21:36:35 2010, 美东)
: Gosh! Too busy to reply this kind confusin

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p*r
101
I think case of Gao is somewhat different. He was really diagnosed of
Cancer and traveled all around searching for meaning of life.
His personal struggle is real.
Although I don't think he is terribly talented, I do think he is writing
from his own experience.

to
writings but
and Mr
moment...one

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: absolutely! but those couple of IDs and Ms. Li don't seem to be able to
: appreciate such a simple
: feeling...writers sometimes need to be detached from their own writings but
: I don't think it is applicable to
: Ms. Li or Mr Gao's case at all...talking about hatred: in both Ms. Li and Mr
: . Gao's writings, they have mixed
: way way too much their own hatred...To me, it literally likes they are
: pouring out their personal hatred which
: has been repressed for so so long and is ready to explode any moment...

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L*d
102
她96毕业的吧,何来91出国说?

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 在《New Yorker》推荐的20个年龄在40岁的作家里,除了李翊云,还有一个亚裔的作家
: ,Jhumpa Lahiri,印度人,也是女性。
: Lahiri的成就和名气都比李翊云要大。她第一本书Interpreter of Maladies也得了李
: 翊云靠《千年祈愿》得的PEN/Hemingway Award,不过Lahiri后来又靠这本书得了普利
: 策奖。这样就更牛一些。而且她的第一部长篇The Namesake被好莱坞拍成了电影,是全
: 国发行,比王颖拍的独立制片的《千年祈愿》影响要大得多。
: Lahiri的成名作Interpreter of Maladies我也看过,也很黑暗。有的故事看了之后心
: 里会很堵。她08年新出的书我没看过,据说更dark。Lahiri的作品题材大多都是在美国
: 的印度移民,不知道有没有人在Amazon上留言,说她破坏印度人的形象。
: 大部分文学奖的评委,文学杂志的编辑,报纸上写书评的专栏作家们,当他们看到李翊

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L*d
103
我觉得韩寒和她完全不一样
虽然韩寒骂,但俺不讨厌他

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 就算我听了,我也不会觉得怎样,不就一个人的观点嘛,
: 你们特别敏感,一个韩寒就可以让你们讨厌他整天骂他。

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n*k
104
agreed...in some way, Ms. Li is way more disgusting...nonetheless, reflected
from their writings and public
interviews, it bears the similarity that how much they detest/hate? China/
Chinese indistinguishable from the
party/the gov(for Gao, it is real hatred resulted from his own tragic
experiences--I feel he is a screwed-mind;
for Li, it is faked-up stuff for success/fame or whatever or it is simply
screwed humanity, only herself
knows)...whatever the rationales behind, I despise them for their

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I think case of Gao is somewhat different. He was really diagnosed of
: Cancer and traveled all around searching for meaning of life.
: His personal struggle is real.
: Although I don't think he is terribly talented, I do think he is writing
: from his own experience.
:
: to
: writings but
: and Mr
: moment...one

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z*a
106
也是她那个年纪的人,不觉得受到过什么文革的影响。我父母经历过才是。无论有没有
才气,如果没有良心和道德,靠投机取巧,不会是一个好作家。大家可以拭目以待。
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s*e
107
我自己觉得有些人的评论似乎过分了
她肯定是超级有才华的,不然不会得到这么多的奖。尤其是这个天才奖,我的博士学校
有一个女教授得过,几年后就成为了美国科学院院士。美国什么人都有,外国人一大堆
,估计做文学的也不少,他们的写作很多也许都是关于自己的国家和文化。就是说,像
她一样的作家很多,并不是你“恶心”自己的文化,你就可以成功。
很多人又说什么伤害了中国人的自尊。我觉得这个似乎太敏感了。
我们读过那么多的文学作品,很多都是写悲剧或者阴暗的。我们也读过外国的很多文学
作品,我不会读了雨果或者狄更斯的作品就认为法国或者英国很丑恶。
我看到有些ID说,中国这么多事情,为什么li就写那些萎缩的黑暗的?文学作品似乎不
是这样欣赏的,不知道大家是不是这样觉得?
比如,《儒林外传》,天下那么多好的读书人,你咋一本书尽写猥琐男?《官场现形记
》,这么多官员,你咋就写那些萎缩的官员?《西游记》,这么多好的神仙,你咋尽写
妖怪?《水浒传》,宋朝这么好的朝代,你咋尽写土匪?
最后,每个人对于社会的事情的看法的程度是不一样的,这都很正常。一个作家也许会
对很多的事情更加的敏感或者敏锐,你不能就说别人就是矫情。

【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: She was cell biology major in China and phd candidate in immunology at
: Iowa. After changing major and getting MFA in creative nonfiction from
: the Nonfiction Writing Program, and publishing multiple award winning
: novels, she just received MacArthur "Genius" Award for $500K today.
: Congrats!
: http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.6239749/k.1427/Meet_the_2010_
: Fellows.htm

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O*e
108
在哪里写给什么人看和写什么一样都很重要。你举得那些例子有一个是真正写给
其它国的人看的么?
还有一点neverthink早已经指出了,就是她在接受采访和其它公共场所的表现让
人讨厌。

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 我自己觉得有些人的评论似乎过分了
: 她肯定是超级有才华的,不然不会得到这么多的奖。尤其是这个天才奖,我的博士学校
: 有一个女教授得过,几年后就成为了美国科学院院士。美国什么人都有,外国人一大堆
: ,估计做文学的也不少,他们的写作很多也许都是关于自己的国家和文化。就是说,像
: 她一样的作家很多,并不是你“恶心”自己的文化,你就可以成功。
: 很多人又说什么伤害了中国人的自尊。我觉得这个似乎太敏感了。
: 我们读过那么多的文学作品,很多都是写悲剧或者阴暗的。我们也读过外国的很多文学
: 作品,我不会读了雨果或者狄更斯的作品就认为法国或者英国很丑恶。
: 我看到有些ID说,中国这么多事情,为什么li就写那些萎缩的黑暗的?文学作品似乎不
: 是这样欣赏的,不知道大家是不是这样觉得?

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n*7
109
我喜欢你的评论,我也不刻意掩饰中国不好的方面,爱之深责之切
但是我及其厌恶刻意夸大这些方面来迎合外族口味的人

not
own
whether
..
the
act

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Sure, she is apparently very successful in the aspect...Nonetheless I am not
: sure she is a decent human being worth some respect....
: She is one of those...low life or not? I guess everyone can have his/her own
: opinion...she might be an ok/good writer...but for those who know her
: novels and ever heard her on the Diane Rhem show (NPR), I am not sure whether
: they would agree that she is an individual with integrity and principles...
: I am no nationalist; On the contrary that I never deny nor am shy

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l*i
110
说的不错。 某些人身攻击李作家的人可能刚刚读完老毛《在夜暗文艺座谈会上的讲话
》, 要弘扬主
旋律, 一副中宣部的嘴脸。

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 我自己觉得有些人的评论似乎过分了
: 她肯定是超级有才华的,不然不会得到这么多的奖。尤其是这个天才奖,我的博士学校
: 有一个女教授得过,几年后就成为了美国科学院院士。美国什么人都有,外国人一大堆
: ,估计做文学的也不少,他们的写作很多也许都是关于自己的国家和文化。就是说,像
: 她一样的作家很多,并不是你“恶心”自己的文化,你就可以成功。
: 很多人又说什么伤害了中国人的自尊。我觉得这个似乎太敏感了。
: 我们读过那么多的文学作品,很多都是写悲剧或者阴暗的。我们也读过外国的很多文学
: 作品,我不会读了雨果或者狄更斯的作品就认为法国或者英国很丑恶。
: 我看到有些ID说,中国这么多事情,为什么li就写那些萎缩的黑暗的?文学作品似乎不
: 是这样欣赏的,不知道大家是不是这样觉得?

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h*u
111

A few thoughts on this:
1) Her novels are about some dark stories in China 30-40 years ago.
Most people here don't doubt about this part. A few don't like her tone
between words and lines. I really feel that's subjective. I haven't
got time reading her novels, so I couldn't really comment much.
2) She wrote this in English and published oversea. Some feel that this
is to please foreign readers and promote herself in U.S. I don't know
whether that's the facts or just people's speculations.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 在哪里写给什么人看和写什么一样都很重要。你举得那些例子有一个是真正写给
: 其它国的人看的么?
: 还有一点neverthink早已经指出了,就是她在接受采访和其它公共场所的表现让
: 人讨厌。

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l*i
112
Here is the link to the WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 2009 Diane Rehm show
where Ms. Li was a guest: http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2009-02-
18.
During that interview, I think Ms. Li behaved admirably. She told the
radio host that one of her main characters is based on the story of
either "钟海源" or "李九莲". These two were tortured and executed by the
Chinese government simply because they had spoken the truth.
I have seen a few of her interviews and Ms. Li appears to be a low-
key, sincere, and warm h

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: A few thoughts on this:
: 1) Her novels are about some dark stories in China 30-40 years ago.
: Most people here don't doubt about this part. A few don't like her tone
: between words and lines. I really feel that's subjective. I haven't
: got time reading her novels, so I couldn't really comment much.
: 2) She wrote this in English and published oversea. Some feel that this
: is to please foreign readers and promote herself in U.S. I don't know
: whether that's the facts or just people's speculations.

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p*y
113
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2009-02-18/yiyun-li-vagrants-random-house
http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=1543
刚听了一半她的访谈,很混帐很混帐,In the interview I see a hyprocrite with
despicable character that enjoys exaggerating things and distorting truth.
混帐的例子,4分钟地方:
主持人问她为什么不用中文写作而用英文写作。I find it interesting that you
do not write in Chinese but rather write in English, and it made me wonder
whehter the memory, what happened then, is related to your desire to write
it only in English.
她回答:I

【在 l*****i 的大作中提到】
: Here is the link to the WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 2009 Diane Rehm show
: where Ms. Li was a guest: http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2009-02-
: 18.
: During that interview, I think Ms. Li behaved admirably. She told the
: radio host that one of her main characters is based on the story of
: either "钟海源" or "李九莲". These two were tortured and executed by the
: Chinese government simply because they had spoken the truth.
: I have seen a few of her interviews and Ms. Li appears to be a low-
: key, sincere, and warm h

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p*y
114
这个女生虚伪做作,有没有才华是另外一回事,但这种个性让人不喜欢。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 我说两句。其实写文革没什么,主要不觉得她有才。
: 她自己也没有亲身经历,很多就是把以前国内的材料翻译下,再写一遍,我觉得主要是
: 给老美看看
: 啦。
: 和余华比比就知道区别了。 甚至和王安忆,方方。
: 她得奖,只能说明美国文坛现在太糟糕了。

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l*k
115
不要随便给别人扣大帽子好不好,我相信很多人都是基于那个人的言行而对她不满的,
跟neverthink一样,我本人也对国内的状况有很多不满,批评,但是这并不妨碍我们对
数典忘祖,一味讨好洋大人的奴才不满。如果你攻击别人中宣部,我是不是可以说你拿
了狗粮,给美国主子为虎作伥呢?
发信人: laolili (laoli), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Another successful change of career
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 1 03:17:49 2010, 美东)
说的不错。 某些人身攻击李作家的人可能刚刚读完老毛《在夜暗文艺座谈会上的讲话
》, 要弘扬主
旋律, 一副中宣部的嘴脸。
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y*i
116
Nice. 所以老毛说过“没有调查,没有发言权”

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2009-02-18/yiyun-li-vagrants-random-house
: http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=1543
: 刚听了一半她的访谈,很混帐很混帐,In the interview I see a hyprocrite with
: despicable character that enjoys exaggerating things and distorting truth.
: 混帐的例子,4分钟地方:
: 主持人问她为什么不用中文写作而用英文写作。I find it interesting that you
: do not write in Chinese but rather write in English, and it made me wonder
: whehter the memory, what happened then, is related to your desire to write
: it only in English.
: 她回答:I

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u*g
117
gong

http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.6239749/k.1427/Meet_the_2010_

【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: She was cell biology major in China and phd candidate in immunology at
: Iowa. After changing major and getting MFA in creative nonfiction from
: the Nonfiction Writing Program, and publishing multiple award winning
: novels, she just received MacArthur "Genius" Award for $500K today.
: Congrats!
: http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.6239749/k.1427/Meet_the_2010_
: Fellows.htm

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t*y
118
对这些专门舔人屁眼的人,华人社区就应该站出来,在任何有她出现的公共场合抗议她
的无耻行径。
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p*r
119
还好啦。我认识她,没觉得有那么糟糕。
我感觉她就是喜欢写东西,在美国你想当作家,只有这条路呀,呵呵。 :)
和我们当千老学术灌水没本质区别。

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个女生虚伪做作,有没有才华是另外一回事,但这种个性让人不喜欢。
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p*y
120
听她解释为什么用英文写作那一段一阵恶心,让人反感,
怎么可能不会用中文写作,要用英文才能自由表达她心中的想法?
意识形态的东西不好批判,每个人都有自己的喜好,
但语言这种东西要骗人很难。她个性就是矫情虚伪。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 还好啦。我认识她,没觉得有那么糟糕。
: 我感觉她就是喜欢写东西,在美国你想当作家,只有这条路呀,呵呵。 :)
: 和我们当千老学术灌水没本质区别。

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p*y
121
对了,她要是真有写作的才华,就不会局限于只写英文小说,
六六跟她一样,是个家庭主妇,连写作课也没上,写出来的小说比她的还红。
完全没必要贬低自己的母语。多此一举,自毁城墙。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 还好啦。我认识她,没觉得有那么糟糕。
: 我感觉她就是喜欢写东西,在美国你想当作家,只有这条路呀,呵呵。 :)
: 和我们当千老学术灌水没本质区别。

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p*n
122
You didn't get her point...
She was implying that people were not allowed to express their thoughts in
China, not allowed to write about the dark side of China.... B-I-A-T-C-H...
I bet she has read novels about the culture revolution by Su Tong and Mo Yan
etc, who published a lot about the dark side of hat history without problem
. Yet this bitch is still lying to the world. BTW, those novelists did
experience the culture revolution, contrast to this bitch.

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 听她解释为什么用英文写作那一段一阵恶心,让人反感,
: 怎么可能不会用中文写作,要用英文才能自由表达她心中的想法?
: 意识形态的东西不好批判,每个人都有自己的喜好,
: 但语言这种东西要骗人很难。她个性就是矫情虚伪。

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h*u
123

Actually I could relay this to myself. My age is similar to hers.
Interestingly, my father was also a trained physicist and my mother was
a school teacher (similar to hers). As a science/engineering student in
China, I really didn't like writing in China. So my 语文/作文 was very
poor. There was no internet, no blog, only government controlled
newspaper. After coming to U.S. for graduate school, everything
surrounding me was in English and I didn't have opportunity write
Chinese, not even a let

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 听她解释为什么用英文写作那一段一阵恶心,让人反感,
: 怎么可能不会用中文写作,要用英文才能自由表达她心中的想法?
: 意识形态的东西不好批判,每个人都有自己的喜好,
: 但语言这种东西要骗人很难。她个性就是矫情虚伪。

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p*y
124
我知道她的意思。写文革的悲惨故事没问题,写中国社会的黑暗一面也没问题,
哪怕没经历过也可以写,小说家就是编故事的,爱怎么编都可以,读者认同就行。
问题是,主持人问她为什么要用英文写,假设在中国无法自由写作,
那么在美国已经可以自由写作,大可用中文写,没必要一定要用英文写,
她的回答让人不满,扭着讲。不就是要在美国混饭吃么,所以要写英文。

.
Yan
problem

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: You didn't get her point...
: She was implying that people were not allowed to express their thoughts in
: China, not allowed to write about the dark side of China.... B-I-A-T-C-H...
: I bet she has read novels about the culture revolution by Su Tong and Mo Yan
: etc, who published a lot about the dark side of hat history without problem
: . Yet this bitch is still lying to the world. BTW, those novelists did
: experience the culture revolution, contrast to this bitch.

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p*y
125
你们这种现象超出我的想象力。。。。。。
我以为从小到大上了那么多语文课,读了那么多中文书籍,上完大学,
中文能力不会差到哪,到美国没几年,第一母语竟然比英文差,真晕。
她妈妈偷看她日记那一段我有听,所以觉得她矫情,
妈妈偷看日记竟然成为日后英文才能让她自由表达思想的理由。

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Actually I could relay this to myself. My age is similar to hers.
: Interestingly, my father was also a trained physicist and my mother was
: a school teacher (similar to hers). As a science/engineering student in
: China, I really didn't like writing in China. So my 语文/作文 was very
: poor. There was no internet, no blog, only government controlled
: newspaper. After coming to U.S. for graduate school, everything
: surrounding me was in English and I didn't have opportunity write
: Chinese, not even a let

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s*a
126
Again, I heard her NPR interview live as I mentioned earlier.
I share the same feeling that I write better in English on some subjects and
reading in English greatly helped the development of my thinking of the
world.
What I dislike about her is the lack of intellectual honesty, that is, if
there is anything intellectual about her.

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Actually I could relay this to myself. My age is similar to hers.
: Interestingly, my father was also a trained physicist and my mother was
: a school teacher (similar to hers). As a science/engineering student in
: China, I really didn't like writing in China. So my 语文/作文 was very
: poor. There was no internet, no blog, only government controlled
: newspaper. After coming to U.S. for graduate school, everything
: surrounding me was in English and I didn't have opportunity write
: Chinese, not even a let

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y*i
127

她说的和你说的不是一回事。
I have never written in Chinese before I came to this country, and
I took class in English, and English became my first language in writing.

It is rather liberating when I discovered I could write in English.
“I can imagine that people were afraid of writing or saying truth back then
, especially in political sensitive center Beijing. ”
这也太扯了。You CAN imagine it but it is far from the truth.

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Actually I could relay this to myself. My age is similar to hers.
: Interestingly, my father was also a trained physicist and my mother was
: a school teacher (similar to hers). As a science/engineering student in
: China, I really didn't like writing in China. So my 语文/作文 was very
: poor. There was no internet, no blog, only government controlled
: newspaper. After coming to U.S. for graduate school, everything
: surrounding me was in English and I didn't have opportunity write
: Chinese, not even a let

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p*y
128
中国的语文教育是不是问题蛮大的?
从小到这么大多年的学习,竟然没几年就比不上外语,
要是ABC,还可以理解,土生土长的中国人,难以想象。

and

【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: Again, I heard her NPR interview live as I mentioned earlier.
: I share the same feeling that I write better in English on some subjects and
: reading in English greatly helped the development of my thinking of the
: world.
: What I dislike about her is the lack of intellectual honesty, that is, if
: there is anything intellectual about her.

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h*u
129

If you still have trouble to 想象, go ask those who finished high school
in China and came here for undergraduate and then graduate school. What
language do they prefer to use in presentation and writing.
Or ask chinese faculty near you in U.S. who rarely go back to China
other than visiting family once a while.
中国的教育 has many problems, but for my 语文 I blame myself. I simply
didn't have interest in 语文/作文 and barely passed those exams, on a
good day :) and I have never been proud of that.
God is

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 中国的语文教育是不是问题蛮大的?
: 从小到这么大多年的学习,竟然没几年就比不上外语,
: 要是ABC,还可以理解,土生土长的中国人,难以想象。
:
: and

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v*a
130
记得有一次不小心拿了一份地铁旁的flg的“大纪元时报”
一上来就说因为中共怎么怎么
所以中国要有怎么怎么的灾难之类的(是说天灾,非人祸)
我就再也不看大纪元了
也不知道这些编辑都是些什么人
竟然这类说辞都上来
如果他们的水平只是如此
那也不会成什么大气候 呵呵

后,

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 话说现在flg的动静好像越来越小了。
: 很久很久很久以前,俺对他们还有一点点同情心的。可自从他们开始愚蠢地反中国以后,
: 俺对他们除了厌恶还是厌恶。

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v*a
131
我觉得她就像一个家里出的一个趋炎附势的孩子,嫌家穷,于是出逃了,跑到别人家,
靠讲自己家里的耸人听闻的东西讨好别人,然后得到她想要的东西。
一个很会投其所好的人而已。当然了,她原来家里的成员总有觉得她恶心,觉得她低劣
,看不起她的;同时也有追随她羡慕她憧憬做她的人。我从理智上能理解这类人,但从
情感上来说也厌恶他们的做法太市侩太令人厌恶。

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 73年出生,北京人,北大本科,美国读MS,结婚生子,
: 做家庭主妇,学写作,得奖出名,然后在加州某大学教书。
: 看起来一帆风顺的人生,能有什么事情让她人性扭曲?没有吧?
: 无非是崇美,有些观点比较偏激,说的话有些中国人听了不高兴。

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n*k
132
this kind of arguments are so lame, I don't even have time/feel like to
rebuttal anymore...for someone whose family has suffered tremendously (including loss of lives) through the
revolution, the Anti-rightist and the culture revolution, it is a bit funny to see how Ms Li and some
of you folks here talking...Again, for some who are so self-obsessed and accumulate so much hatred or so
pretentious, read Ray Huang (or anything that could help broad your horizon and vision), it will help your
ment

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: If you still have trouble to 想象, go ask those who finished high school
: in China and came here for undergraduate and then graduate school. What
: language do they prefer to use in presentation and writing.
: Or ask chinese faculty near you in U.S. who rarely go back to China
: other than visiting family once a while.
: 中国的教育 has many problems, but for my 语文 I blame myself. I simply
: didn't have interest in 语文/作文 and barely passed those exams, on a
: good day :) and I have never been proud of that.
: God is

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h*u
133

(including loss of lives) through the
funny to see how Ms Li and some
and accumulate so much hatred or so
horizon and vision), it will help your
Dude, calm down. Did you just attend George W. Bush's class "You're
either with us, or against us"?
I just shared some particular thoughts and experience who happen to be
related to Li's, and wasn't even arguing about principle stuff. You are
too sensitive. BTW, I am sorry about your grandfathers.
The world would be much better when people agree wit

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: this kind of arguments are so lame, I don't even have time/feel like to
: rebuttal anymore...for someone whose family has suffered tremendously (including loss of lives) through the
: revolution, the Anti-rightist and the culture revolution, it is a bit funny to see how Ms Li and some
: of you folks here talking...Again, for some who are so self-obsessed and accumulate so much hatred or so
: pretentious, read Ray Huang (or anything that could help broad your horizon and vision), it will help your
: ment

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p*y
134
高中过来的不能跟读完本科过来的比较,高中过来的分两种,
读书较好的学生,中文基础已打好,中文能力会继续保持下
去,知道有这种人。读书较差的,几年后英文可能超越中文。
读完本科才过来的,就算一辈子不再用中文,中文也很难掉,
语言教育不是只在课堂上,20年的日常生活无时无刻不在用,
这种第一语是深植脑海的,想忘也忘不了。

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: (including loss of lives) through the
: funny to see how Ms Li and some
: and accumulate so much hatred or so
: horizon and vision), it will help your
: Dude, calm down. Did you just attend George W. Bush's class "You're
: either with us, or against us"?
: I just shared some particular thoughts and experience who happen to be
: related to Li's, and wasn't even arguing about principle stuff. You are
: too sensitive. BTW, I am sorry about your grandfathers.

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p*y
135
FLG讨厌中共的情绪,倒是可以理解,当年被套上邪教的帽子一再宣传打击,
写中共怎么可能写好事?这跟国民党和共产党50-60年代是死敌一样,描写
对方都是挑负面的写,两党所在的居民会被影响,对敌对党不会有好印象。

【在 v***a 的大作中提到】
: 记得有一次不小心拿了一份地铁旁的flg的“大纪元时报”
: 一上来就说因为中共怎么怎么
: 所以中国要有怎么怎么的灾难之类的(是说天灾,非人祸)
: 我就再也不看大纪元了
: 也不知道这些编辑都是些什么人
: 竟然这类说辞都上来
: 如果他们的水平只是如此
: 那也不会成什么大气候 呵呵
:
: 后,

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s*e
136
agree.

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 对了,她要是真有写作的才华,就不会局限于只写英文小说,
: 六六跟她一样,是个家庭主妇,连写作课也没上,写出来的小说比她的还红。
: 完全没必要贬低自己的母语。多此一举,自毁城墙。

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n*k
137
hey, there, don't be so Pretentious, PLS! Under this particular context,
you neither need nor qualified to say
you feel sorry blablabla...no offense but you just don't get it. It sounded
pretty shallow, you would know what I
mean if you read the preface from one of Ray Huang's books when he referred
to the Jiang and Mao, the civil
war, the culture revolution, and the 6.4...and how people can let it go
while the others and the western
couldn't...BTW, I am pretty calm, not angry at all, should

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
:
: (including loss of lives) through the
: funny to see how Ms Li and some
: and accumulate so much hatred or so
: horizon and vision), it will help your
: Dude, calm down. Did you just attend George W. Bush's class "You're
: either with us, or against us"?
: I just shared some particular thoughts and experience who happen to be
: related to Li's, and wasn't even arguing about principle stuff. You are
: too sensitive. BTW, I am sorry about your grandfathers.

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p*y
138
韩寒常写中国社会负面的东西,我蛮喜欢他,他敢直言,不夸大,有个人风格,
这位女作家,我没看她的作品,没资格评论她的作品,但那个访谈前半段,她
谈的一些关于中国的事明显夸大了,让人觉得中国是一个大北韩,这夸张了。
要是她是王丹这种被逼逃亡海外无法回国的民运人士,把中国负面的一面放大
夸张地批判,我可以理解她,但她不是,她没经历过文革和64,写作材料要通
过他人的书籍,他人的经验得来。
这种写作可以很客观地写,也可以很主观地写,要看她的政治取向和学术品格。
那个访谈给我的印象,她的风格偏向主观夸大型,就像一些狗血煽情电视剧一
样,煽情琼瑶电视剧可以吸引一部分人,但另一部分人很不屑看。

【在 v***a 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得她就像一个家里出的一个趋炎附势的孩子,嫌家穷,于是出逃了,跑到别人家,
: 靠讲自己家里的耸人听闻的东西讨好别人,然后得到她想要的东西。
: 一个很会投其所好的人而已。当然了,她原来家里的成员总有觉得她恶心,觉得她低劣
: ,看不起她的;同时也有追随她羡慕她憧憬做她的人。我从理智上能理解这类人,但从
: 情感上来说也厌恶他们的做法太市侩太令人厌恶。

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p*r
139
The truth is she attended English writing Schools.
因为她上了那个学,就有很多关系会帮她打点这些个获奖的事啦。
这个一点不奇怪,那个学校也要树几个典型嘛。不用太在意。
我从来就不看任何获奖的小说,一般都是垃圾。:)

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们这种现象超出我的想象力。。。。。。
: 我以为从小到大上了那么多语文课,读了那么多中文书籍,上完大学,
: 中文能力不会差到哪,到美国没几年,第一母语竟然比英文差,真晕。
: 她妈妈偷看她日记那一段我有听,所以觉得她矫情,
: 妈妈偷看日记竟然成为日后英文才能让她自由表达思想的理由。

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p*n
140
1983-1985全国获奖中短篇小说还是很过硬的,里边不少都拍成电影电视了,比如兵车
行,那山那人那
狗...
那会儿人们从文革的苦日子里恢复过来没几年,却一点没有密斯李肚子里那么阴暗的东西
张贤亮被打成右派劳改那么些年,眼里看出来的世界依然是人性里边闪光的那些东西
人比人就是得死

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: The truth is she attended English writing Schools.
: 因为她上了那个学,就有很多关系会帮她打点这些个获奖的事啦。
: 这个一点不奇怪,那个学校也要树几个典型嘛。不用太在意。
: 我从来就不看任何获奖的小说,一般都是垃圾。:)

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p*y
141
我只是很不屑那些以不会中文为荣的中国人,就像一些在美国的中国父母故
意在家里跟小孩说英文,以小孩不会中文为荣,这样小孩才是地道的美国人。
有些中国人特别矫情,崇洋媚外得厉害。看过两夫妻都是土生土长的中国人,
两人聊天对话竟然用英文,然后还半英半中在网上写他们的故事。要是美国
不是第一强国,国际地位只有非洲这样,我就不相这些人会这么热爱英文。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: The truth is she attended English writing Schools.
: 因为她上了那个学,就有很多关系会帮她打点这些个获奖的事啦。
: 这个一点不奇怪,那个学校也要树几个典型嘛。不用太在意。
: 我从来就不看任何获奖的小说,一般都是垃圾。:)

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p*r
142

东西
我说美国的奖。

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: 1983-1985全国获奖中短篇小说还是很过硬的,里边不少都拍成电影电视了,比如兵车
: 行,那山那人那
: 狗...
: 那会儿人们从文革的苦日子里恢复过来没几年,却一点没有密斯李肚子里那么阴暗的东西
: 张贤亮被打成右派劳改那么些年,眼里看出来的世界依然是人性里边闪光的那些东西
: 人比人就是得死

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j*a
143
I am surprised that people are rather mean here! I read "thousand years of
good prayer", and happy for her everytime my issue of "new yorker" runs her
story. I did not hear the NPR interview, and would be interested in hearing
her voice, which I think would tell a lot about sincerity of a person. But
I like her distinctive tone, a somewhat "exotic" voice with rhythm of
nothing other than chinese language. she is a fiction writer, and has the
wonderfully wild imagination of a fiction writer. He
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h*u
144
+1 I was surprised too. I am still trying to find evidence of the
alleged political motivations, but I haven't read her books yet and
couldn't really comment much. After listening to the the Diane Rehm
show here: http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=1543, I am not
close to denounce her.

years of
runs her
hearing
person. But
the
little
a
of her

【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】
: I am surprised that people are rather mean here! I read "thousand years of
: good prayer", and happy for her everytime my issue of "new yorker" runs her
: story. I did not hear the NPR interview, and would be interested in hearing
: her voice, which I think would tell a lot about sincerity of a person. But
: I like her distinctive tone, a somewhat "exotic" voice with rhythm of
: nothing other than chinese language. she is a fiction writer, and has the
: wonderfully wild imagination of a fiction writer. He

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p*y
145
外国的月亮就是圆,自己才华不够,无法用母语创造出杰出之作,只好把问题浅薄
地归咎于语言,敢情无数感人肺府的杰出中国文学作品都是中国人自己吹捧出来。
If you grew up in a language that you never used to express your feelings,
it would be easier to take another language (English, of course) and talk
more in the new language. It makes you a new person." - A Thousand Year's
Good Prayer
本来我对上面的话无感,听了她的访谈才知道,这人是有意无意地贬低自己母语,
这种人没法让人尊重喜欢,自己肤浅,就把本国的东西拉到跟她一样的层次描述。
中华文化跟西方文化不同,中国人说话含蓄,西方直接。中国“呐于言而敏于行”
西方反着过来,是“敏于言而呐于行”。西方父母子女之间常常I love u的表达,
love来love去love到最后,亲情却很单薄,而呐于言的中国亲情却

【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】
: I am surprised that people are rather mean here! I read "thousand years of
: good prayer", and happy for her everytime my issue of "new yorker" runs her
: story. I did not hear the NPR interview, and would be interested in hearing
: her voice, which I think would tell a lot about sincerity of a person. But
: I like her distinctive tone, a somewhat "exotic" voice with rhythm of
: nothing other than chinese language. she is a fiction writer, and has the
: wonderfully wild imagination of a fiction writer. He

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l*g
146
I know every one 1996 biology?. who is 那姑娘回国当女权主义运
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l*g
147
我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同
学打电话,(他也是听说,但比较肯定)说宿舍有人把熄灯后的谈话告诉团委,当然我
们庆幸没有碰到这样的事。90年代初期的那几年,气氛还是很压抑的。到了美国,我周
围很多同胞之间会说中国的不好,但外国人指责中国,很多人还是会反击的。每个人都
有自己的观点。她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧。
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n*k
148
Here are the answers for you from her own mouth and u can form your own
opinion about it...U could say I
take things out of the context or I am judging a genius in a very narrow-
minded way, but I think we all
know too well of ourselves---the smart but ugly side of some of our fellow
Chinese...
Question: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers presents readers with a stunning
vision of China, past and
present. When you think of your homeland, what thoughts or images come to
mind? What are your feeling

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: +1 I was surprised too. I am still trying to find evidence of the
: alleged political motivations, but I haven't read her books yet and
: couldn't really comment much. After listening to the the Diane Rehm
: show here: http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=1543, I am not
: close to denounce her.
:
: years of
: runs her
: hearing
: person. But

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h*u
149
Looks like you couldn't copy/paste it correctly.
Here is the link for others to read
http://www.yiyunli.com/1000YearsQA.php
After listening to NPR interview twice and reading this Q/A, I still
think that, like what her classmate said above, "她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语
写作的)作家,仅此吧".

own
narrow-
fellow
stunning
to

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Here are the answers for you from her own mouth and u can form your own
: opinion about it...U could say I
: take things out of the context or I am judging a genius in a very narrow-
: minded way, but I think we all
: know too well of ourselves---the smart but ugly side of some of our fellow
: Chinese...
: Question: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers presents readers with a stunning
: vision of China, past and
: present. When you think of your homeland, what thoughts or images come to
: mind? What are your feeling

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y*i
150
看了三条对话就受不了了。 What a bitch.

stunning

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Here are the answers for you from her own mouth and u can form your own
: opinion about it...U could say I
: take things out of the context or I am judging a genius in a very narrow-
: minded way, but I think we all
: know too well of ourselves---the smart but ugly side of some of our fellow
: Chinese...
: Question: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers presents readers with a stunning
: vision of China, past and
: present. When you think of your homeland, what thoughts or images come to
: mind? What are your feeling

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y*i
151
仅此个屁。仅此的人不会这么胡说八道。

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: Looks like you couldn't copy/paste it correctly.
: Here is the link for others to read
: http://www.yiyunli.com/1000YearsQA.php
: After listening to NPR interview twice and reading this Q/A, I still
: think that, like what her classmate said above, "她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语
: 写作的)作家,仅此吧".
:
: own
: narrow-
: fellow

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n*k
152
what a joke, did u ever read through it? I copy the entire one below while
put those in doubt upfront...u are a
bit funny....

汉语

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: Looks like you couldn't copy/paste it correctly.
: Here is the link for others to read
: http://www.yiyunli.com/1000YearsQA.php
: After listening to NPR interview twice and reading this Q/A, I still
: think that, like what her classmate said above, "她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语
: 写作的)作家,仅此吧".
:
: own
: narrow-
: fellow

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y*i
153

汉语
这是我看的三条。
写作是为什么?因为人对同一篇文字可以有一定的共识,这三条你能说不是胡说八道,
而是“她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧”?这不是谎言?不是为
了谄媚对方而歪曲抹黑,迎合对方的心意的谎言?她为什么说这些谎言?
Question: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers presents readers with a stunning
vision of China, past and
present. When you think of your homeland, what thoughts or images come to
mind? What are your feelings
about China today?
Yiyun Li: I have always said that there are two Chinas. The first is a
country filled with people, like my family
and many others, who try to lead serio

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: Looks like you couldn't copy/paste it correctly.
: Here is the link for others to read
: http://www.yiyunli.com/1000YearsQA.php
: After listening to NPR interview twice and reading this Q/A, I still
: think that, like what her classmate said above, "她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语
: 写作的)作家,仅此吧".
:
: own
: narrow-
: fellow

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p*y
154
这人实在让人很讨厌,前面那个她的同学,有机会遇到她麻烦劝她正常点,告诉她:
1)没有才华用中文写小说没关系,很多中国人都没有,她只是其中一个,不用诋毁
中文掩饰自己无能,这样只会让人讨厌她;
2)她现在在美国了,没有cencorship了,可以用中文写作了,不是非得英文写作;
3)香港一向没有cencorship,大陆不能出版的禁书,在香港都可以,以前她可能
不知道(奇怪了,北大毕业的这么没见识吗?这种事都不知道?),现在知道了,
可以很liberating用中文编她喜欢的故事;
4)用非洲语写小说也很liberating,英文不会是the most liberating experience,
赞美美国不用这么赞美法,请她说话公正点,有点基本常识;
5)不是只有在美国从有freedom从家庭主妇变成作家,现在网络很红的大陆作家
六六就是家庭主妇,她写的小说一再被拍成电视剧,里面有很多批判大陆现象。

stunning

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Here are the answers for you from her own mouth and u can form your own
: opinion about it...U could say I
: take things out of the context or I am judging a genius in a very narrow-
: minded way, but I think we all
: know too well of ourselves---the smart but ugly side of some of our fellow
: Chinese...
: Question: A Thousand Years of Good Prayers presents readers with a stunning
: vision of China, past and
: present. When you think of your homeland, what thoughts or images come to
: mind? What are your feeling

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y*i
155
本来还有点奇怪purity怎么看了interview 立场完全转变还用词激烈。现在一看,是
这么个大烂人。

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: what a joke, did u ever read through it? I copy the entire one below while
: put those in doubt upfront...u are a
: bit funny....
:
: 汉语

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n*k
156
hey, be polite:))), u are talking to a lady...I didn't even want to point
out the funny(or not) logy behind their
thinking...The fact, we/I made it very clear in my first post: anyone has
the freedom to have their views while
we/I have ours...What on earth they would have to say we are mean or
whatever...they don't even have a clue
that they are judging us while they are asking us not to be judgmental,
funny or not??? whatever, ate too much
lately and have wasted too much time on this shitty top

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 本来还有点奇怪purity怎么看了interview 立场完全转变还用词激烈。现在一看,是
: 这么个大烂人。

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y*i
157
这些她都知道。她就是撒谎。她靠出卖人格,得个什么天才奖是可以,但在写作这条
路上走不了多远的。偏执和偏见不一定影响写作能力。但不诚实,曲媚卑下(而且是对
无聊的媒体),有这种个性肯定走不远。

narrow-
fellow
to

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 这人实在让人很讨厌,前面那个她的同学,有机会遇到她麻烦劝她正常点,告诉她:
: 1)没有才华用中文写小说没关系,很多中国人都没有,她只是其中一个,不用诋毁
: 中文掩饰自己无能,这样只会让人讨厌她;
: 2)她现在在美国了,没有cencorship了,可以用中文写作了,不是非得英文写作;
: 3)香港一向没有cencorship,大陆不能出版的禁书,在香港都可以,以前她可能
: 不知道(奇怪了,北大毕业的这么没见识吗?这种事都不知道?),现在知道了,
: 可以很liberating用中文编她喜欢的故事;
: 4)用非洲语写小说也很liberating,英文不会是the most liberating experience,
: 赞美美国不用这么赞美法,请她说话公正点,有点基本常识;
: 5)不是只有在美国从有freedom从家庭主妇变成作家,现在网络很红的大陆作家

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p*y
158
我可以想象为什么pupp说以前见过她,说她是个可爱的女生,
听她声音,蛮好听的,英文口语也好,听着舒服,长得应该不错。
王千元也长得蛮好看,但是这种机会主义者,就是让人不喜欢。

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 这些她都知道。她就是撒谎。她靠出卖人格,得个什么天才奖是可以,但在写作这条
: 路上走不了多远的。偏执和偏见不一定影响写作能力。但不诚实,曲媚卑下(而且是对
: 无聊的媒体),有这种个性肯定走不远。
:
: narrow-
: fellow
: to

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y*i
159
机会主义者,well said。她不是不知道事实,她就是没底线。

,是

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 我可以想象为什么pupp说以前见过她,说她是个可爱的女生,
: 听她声音,蛮好听的,英文口语也好,听着舒服,长得应该不错。
: 王千元也长得蛮好看,但是这种机会主义者,就是让人不喜欢。

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y*i
160
还是事实最强大。你这篇interview一锤定音。

let

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: hey, be polite:))), u are talking to a lady...I didn't even want to point
: out the funny(or not) logy behind their
: thinking...The fact, we/I made it very clear in my first post: anyone has
: the freedom to have their views while
: we/I have ours...What on earth they would have to say we are mean or
: whatever...they don't even have a clue
: that they are judging us while they are asking us not to be judgmental,
: funny or not??? whatever, ate too much
: lately and have wasted too much time on this shitty top

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p*y
161
认识她的人,能不能请她很liberating写些有益中国的作品教育一下美国民众?
像Irish Chang这种ABC就让人很尊重,无惧日本左翼的威胁,写出真实的历史:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8fzbUoQdio
ABC都能做到,在中国出生长大的她,反而不能,反而说些话做些事让motherland
人的讨厌她,这方面她真有“才华”。
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p*r
162
not bio major. Same year though.

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
: 人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
: 信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
: 同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同
: 学打电话,(他也是听说,但比较肯定)说宿舍有人把熄灯后的谈话告诉团委,当然我
: 们庆幸没有碰到这样的事。90年代初期的那几年,气氛还是很压抑的。到了美国,我周
: 围很多同胞之间会说中国的不好,但外国人指责中国,很多人还是会反击的。每个人都
: 有自己的观点。她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧。

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p*r
163
呵呵。 混口饭吃不容易呀。 :)

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 还是事实最强大。你这篇interview一锤定音。
:
: let

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p*r
164
这个太沉重了。

【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 认识她的人,能不能请她很liberating写些有益中国的作品教育一下美国民众?
: 像Irish Chang这种ABC就让人很尊重,无惧日本左翼的威胁,写出真实的历史:
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8fzbUoQdio
: ABC都能做到,在中国出生长大的她,反而不能,反而说些话做些事让motherland
: 人的讨厌她,这方面她真有“才华”。

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s*r
165
不得不说,北大的人是不是都是个性太强?
教官能怎么你,值得自残?
91年入学,离六四已经足够久了,对普通学生来说,
最多也就是学习学习文件,
要是87,88级,说是有影响,那还差不多。

我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同
学打电话,(他也是听说,但比较肯定)说宿舍有人把熄灯后的谈话告诉团委,当然我
们庆幸没有碰到这样的事。90年代初期的那几年,气氛还是很压抑的。到了美国,我周
围很多同胞之间会说中国的不好,但外国人指责中国,很多人还是会反击的。每个人都
有自己的观点。她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧。

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
: 人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
: 信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
: 同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同
: 学打电话,(他也是听说,但比较肯定)说宿舍有人把熄灯后的谈话告诉团委,当然我
: 们庆幸没有碰到这样的事。90年代初期的那几年,气氛还是很压抑的。到了美国,我周
: 围很多同胞之间会说中国的不好,但外国人指责中国,很多人还是会反击的。每个人都
: 有自己的观点。她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧。

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d*n
166
晕阿。我是88年到北京上大学的。64对我的影响应该比较大吧。我本来也不准备发表评
论的。其实我是
听她的访谈的。NPR是我最常听得电台了。当时我都不知道是啥感觉了。只觉得还有这
种中国人啊。真是
一样米养百家人啊。不过也没太在意,以为就和千元low-life一样啊。结果才知道这人
还得奖了。我不
得不说64的人是爱国的。即使恨也是恨GCD。但这个人是恨这个国家阿。我估计她是没
有读过史记,庄
子等等文字了。不知道该说啥了就希望她永远也不踏上她不喜欢的国家不说她不喜欢的
语言。脓疮早掉
对身体更好

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
: 人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
: 信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
: 同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同
: 学打电话,(他也是听说,但比较肯定)说宿舍有人把熄灯后的谈话告诉团委,当然我
: 们庆幸没有碰到这样的事。90年代初期的那几年,气氛还是很压抑的。到了美国,我周
: 围很多同胞之间会说中国的不好,但外国人指责中国,很多人还是会反击的。每个人都
: 有自己的观点。她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧。

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n*k
167
I believe many had the same feeling when listening to the show...I was so
disgusted and tried to call in to
question her but realized it was actually not live! I wanted to send Diane
Rhem an email to protest but
eventually give the idea up, why would Diane Rhem even care if Ms. Li--a
Chinese descendent---behaved in
such a low XXX way...

【在 d**********n 的大作中提到】
: 晕阿。我是88年到北京上大学的。64对我的影响应该比较大吧。我本来也不准备发表评
: 论的。其实我是
: 听她的访谈的。NPR是我最常听得电台了。当时我都不知道是啥感觉了。只觉得还有这
: 种中国人啊。真是
: 一样米养百家人啊。不过也没太在意,以为就和千元low-life一样啊。结果才知道这人
: 还得奖了。我不
: 得不说64的人是爱国的。即使恨也是恨GCD。但这个人是恨这个国家阿。我估计她是没
: 有读过史记,庄
: 子等等文字了。不知道该说啥了就希望她永远也不踏上她不喜欢的国家不说她不喜欢的
: 语言。脓疮早掉

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j*a
168
正因为离六四许多年还属于洗脑对象, 最是无辜悲惨,绝对不是学习学习文件这样简
单的事。 教官能怎么你, 怎不得, 他们挺好,你知道他们代表的是什么,不是陪你
们玩/军训一个月之后就白白的。 规矩多多, 而且充分利用peer pressure, 对十七
八岁的新生"教育”, 一整年后才觉得有自由的空气自由的风。否定军训, 很多人会
急的.

【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 不得不说,北大的人是不是都是个性太强?
: 教官能怎么你,值得自残?
: 91年入学,离六四已经足够久了,对普通学生来说,
: 最多也就是学习学习文件,
: 要是87,88级,说是有影响,那还差不多。
:
: 我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
: 人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
: 信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
: 同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同

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n*k
169
No offense, but ...too weak I have to say...many on this board are 90--94
and have gone through such
training...it is not something many would recommend, but no biggie either...
however, for some with color
glasses(brain), I guess it is no surprising anything could be a big deal...
again, no offense, as far as my humble
thoughts go, this is very typical of PiGuJueDingDaNao...

【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】
: 正因为离六四许多年还属于洗脑对象, 最是无辜悲惨,绝对不是学习学习文件这样简
: 单的事。 教官能怎么你, 怎不得, 他们挺好,你知道他们代表的是什么,不是陪你
: 们玩/军训一个月之后就白白的。 规矩多多, 而且充分利用peer pressure, 对十七
: 八岁的新生"教育”, 一整年后才觉得有自由的空气自由的风。否定军训, 很多人会
: 急的.

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p*n
170
你具体说说怎么“教育”你们了,怎么着你们了?
还特意加个引号,挺会用中文表达的啊,是暗示性教育吗?

【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】
: 正因为离六四许多年还属于洗脑对象, 最是无辜悲惨,绝对不是学习学习文件这样简
: 单的事。 教官能怎么你, 怎不得, 他们挺好,你知道他们代表的是什么,不是陪你
: 们玩/军训一个月之后就白白的。 规矩多多, 而且充分利用peer pressure, 对十七
: 八岁的新生"教育”, 一整年后才觉得有自由的空气自由的风。否定军训, 很多人会
: 急的.

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m*7
171
What if she has no political motivation? What if all that she pursues is
fame and that she is willing to write (or say) anything in exchange for
personal success? Does she REALLY understand the part of Chinese history
that she never experienced? I wonder.

【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: +1 I was surprised too. I am still trying to find evidence of the
: alleged political motivations, but I haven't read her books yet and
: couldn't really comment much. After listening to the the Diane Rehm
: show here: http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=1543, I am not
: close to denounce her.
:
: years of
: runs her
: hearing
: person. But

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f*b
172
OMG,没记错的话,就是她,英文那叫一个烂,建议想学 Chine-English 可以
借她的那本书来读,不过这个奖是没的说,可以说是沾了大中国
的光,跟腰明一样都是幸运的在这个时期,祝贺她

【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 李翊云。
: 纽约客把她列为美国目前40岁以下最出色的20名作家之一。
: Iowa的写作program很难进的,全美最强,九十年代50%普利策获奖者都是从那出来的。
: 李翊云能被录取很不容易,不过当时系主任不让她念creative writing,因为母语不是
: 英语。后来第一年下来,她的作品在纽约客巴黎评论这样的顶级文学刊物发表后,才转
: 的到cw的。
: 她的第一部短篇小说集A Thousand Years of Good Prayers得了很多美国和国际性的大
: 奖,还被美国的华人著名华人导演王颖拍成了电影。
: 去年她发表了第一部长篇,The Vagrants,以她老公东北老家浑江为背景,讲的是70年
: 代的事。

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h*d
173
What a bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!
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s*a
174
很难想象一个人说自己用母语无法表达出感情。。。。
这个属于欲加之罪 何患无辞。
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w*t
175
she is so ugly.
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o*r
176
得,一年军训的人也不是只有你,别那么夸张行不?

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我和她是同学,她老公我们熟,但毕业后就没什么交往了,学生时代感觉她还是挺好的
: 人。不是想辩解,我只是想说,64对我们影响还是很大的,我们91年入学,因此在河南
: 信阳军训了一年,那是大家说话还是有所顾虑的。有些人敏感些,反抗剧烈些,我有个
: 同学因于不堪忍受教官体罚,用刀砍手指自残。那时气氛还是比较压抑的。去年有个同
: 学打电话,(他也是听说,但比较肯定)说宿舍有人把熄灯后的谈话告诉团委,当然我
: 们庆幸没有碰到这样的事。90年代初期的那几年,气氛还是很压抑的。到了美国,我周
: 围很多同胞之间会说中国的不好,但外国人指责中国,很多人还是会反击的。每个人都
: 有自己的观点。她只是个(用英语,而不是汉语写作的)作家,仅此吧。

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o*r
177
说说吧,一年军训怎么苦,除了最后分列式的确是够累。

【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】
: 正因为离六四许多年还属于洗脑对象, 最是无辜悲惨,绝对不是学习学习文件这样简
: 单的事。 教官能怎么你, 怎不得, 他们挺好,你知道他们代表的是什么,不是陪你
: 们玩/军训一个月之后就白白的。 规矩多多, 而且充分利用peer pressure, 对十七
: 八岁的新生"教育”, 一整年后才觉得有自由的空气自由的风。否定军训, 很多人会
: 急的.

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l*s
178
whoo, another wang thousand yuan, but at least with some talent in writing.
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b*g
179
当然她的千年敬祈得奖的时候我还得激动地买了她的书来看呢,
说实话写的真的不咋地,换做是中文的根本没法看.
这就不说了,关键是所有的故事都非常黑暗,除了暗示中国是一个古老破旧的社会之外
不知道还有什么意义...
后来搬家,我就只好扔了,那本书,是一场梦魇。
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