p*m
2 楼
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
article that appeared in Nature yesterday, titled “Why great Olympic feats
raise suspicions”, completely groundless and extremely disturbing.
In that article, Mr. Callaway questioned China’s 16-year-old swimmer Ye
Shiwen, who won two gold medals in women’s 200-meter and 400-meter
individual medley (400 IM) in London Olympics, and said her record-breaking
performance “anomalous”. However, the evidence he used to support his
reckless statement is simply groundless.
As many have pointed out in the major media, it is not uncommon for an elite
and young swimmer to increase his/her performance in a relatively short
time window. An Australian swimmer and Olympics gold medalist, Ian Thorpe,
said that he improved his 400-meter performance by 5 seconds around same age
as Ye. UK’s Adrian Moorhouse, a Seoul Olympics gold medalist, also
testified openly that he “improved four seconds” at the age of 17. He
also called the suspicions around Ye’s performance “sour grape”.
The other point that Ewen Callaway used to support his accusation, that Ye
swam faster than US swimmer Ryan Lochte in the last 50 meters when he won
gold in the men’s 400 IM, is unfortunately also unprovoked. First of all,
Ryan Lochte did not perform the best in the final 50 meters. He only ranked
5th in the last 50 meters, at 29’’10, which was significantly slower than
Japan’s Yuya Horihata (27”87) and three other swimmers competing in the
same event. (Ye’s performance was 28”93). It could be that Lochte was away
ahead of his competitors in the first three splits so he did not have to
strike too hard in the final 50 meters, or that he had used up all his
strength. So one cannot only look at the final 50 meters of Ye and Lochte
and conclude that Ye swam faster than a men’s champion. In fact, Ye’s
record-breaking performance in women’s 400 IM (4’28”43) was significantly
slower than Lochte’s (4’5”18). Secondly, even if one only looks at the
performance of the final 50 meters, women can certainly surpass men and Ye’
s performance shouldn’t be accused as “anomalous”. For example, in last
year’s World Championships in Shanghai, UK’s swimmer Rebecca Adlington won
a gold medal in women’s 800-meter freestyle. In that event her performance
in her final 50 meters (28”91) was faster than both Ye and Lochte in
London.
It is worth pointing out that all the facts I listed above can be easily
tracked in major media and from the Internet. With just a little effort Ewen
Callaway could have avoided raising groundless and disturbing charges
against China’s young athlete in a professional scientific journal.
Even worse, Ewen Callaway further argued that Ye’s clean drug test in
Olympics ”doesn’t rule out the possibility of doping”, implying that Ye
might dope “during training” and escape the more rigorous tests during
Olympics. Such a statement is disrespectful to Ye and all professional
athletes. Following this logic, Mr. Callaway can easily accuse any athlete
“doping” without having any evidence; and ironically, according to him,
those being accused have no way to prove themselves innocent: even if they
pass all rigorous drug test, they can still be doping at a different time,
or even be dope some unidentified drugs! I cannot help wondering if
presumption of innocence (innocent until proven guilty) still has people’s
belief nowadays, or it is considered outdated in Nature, or in UK?
Last but not least, although Mr. Callaway claimed that he was attempting to
discuss science, instead of “racial and political undertones”. Readers can
easily smell the hidden (yet clearly implied) racism and discrimination.
Yes, we may all agree that better methodology for drug test (such as “
biological passport”) is needed for the anti-doping effort. But why the
stunning performance from this 16-year-old gifted swimmer can lead to such a
proposal? Was Mr. Callaway suggesting that Ye was found drug-clean simply
because the drug detection method was not advanced enough? At the end of the
article, Mr. Callaway even quoted “When we look at this young swimmer from
China who breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a
question or two.” So athletes from China, despite their talent and training
, are supposed to perform bad and never break world records, otherwise they
deserve to be questioned, suspected, and accused? Backed up by technological
progress and better training/supporting systems, athletes worldwide are
maximizing their potentials. World records are being refreshed every year.
USA’s Michael Phelps just won a record 19th medals in Olympics and he has
broken numerous swimming world records. Shall we also “ask a question or
two” about his “anomalous” performance?
Nature is considered one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the
world; many scientists, including myself, chose Nature to publish their best
work (I myself have co-authored three papers published in Nature and Nature
sister journals). However, Mr. Callaway’s article, which is not only
misleading, but also full of racial and political bias, has tainted Nature’
s reputation in the scientific community, and among the general audience.
Unless Nature takes further actions (e.g. publicly retract this article and
apologize to Ye and all athletes), I hereby decide not to send my work to
Nature any more-and believe me I will not be the last one to protest.
XXX,PhD
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
article that appeared in Nature yesterday, titled “Why great Olympic feats
raise suspicions”, completely groundless and extremely disturbing.
In that article, Mr. Callaway questioned China’s 16-year-old swimmer Ye
Shiwen, who won two gold medals in women’s 200-meter and 400-meter
individual medley (400 IM) in London Olympics, and said her record-breaking
performance “anomalous”. However, the evidence he used to support his
reckless statement is simply groundless.
As many have pointed out in the major media, it is not uncommon for an elite
and young swimmer to increase his/her performance in a relatively short
time window. An Australian swimmer and Olympics gold medalist, Ian Thorpe,
said that he improved his 400-meter performance by 5 seconds around same age
as Ye. UK’s Adrian Moorhouse, a Seoul Olympics gold medalist, also
testified openly that he “improved four seconds” at the age of 17. He
also called the suspicions around Ye’s performance “sour grape”.
The other point that Ewen Callaway used to support his accusation, that Ye
swam faster than US swimmer Ryan Lochte in the last 50 meters when he won
gold in the men’s 400 IM, is unfortunately also unprovoked. First of all,
Ryan Lochte did not perform the best in the final 50 meters. He only ranked
5th in the last 50 meters, at 29’’10, which was significantly slower than
Japan’s Yuya Horihata (27”87) and three other swimmers competing in the
same event. (Ye’s performance was 28”93). It could be that Lochte was away
ahead of his competitors in the first three splits so he did not have to
strike too hard in the final 50 meters, or that he had used up all his
strength. So one cannot only look at the final 50 meters of Ye and Lochte
and conclude that Ye swam faster than a men’s champion. In fact, Ye’s
record-breaking performance in women’s 400 IM (4’28”43) was significantly
slower than Lochte’s (4’5”18). Secondly, even if one only looks at the
performance of the final 50 meters, women can certainly surpass men and Ye’
s performance shouldn’t be accused as “anomalous”. For example, in last
year’s World Championships in Shanghai, UK’s swimmer Rebecca Adlington won
a gold medal in women’s 800-meter freestyle. In that event her performance
in her final 50 meters (28”91) was faster than both Ye and Lochte in
London.
It is worth pointing out that all the facts I listed above can be easily
tracked in major media and from the Internet. With just a little effort Ewen
Callaway could have avoided raising groundless and disturbing charges
against China’s young athlete in a professional scientific journal.
Even worse, Ewen Callaway further argued that Ye’s clean drug test in
Olympics ”doesn’t rule out the possibility of doping”, implying that Ye
might dope “during training” and escape the more rigorous tests during
Olympics. Such a statement is disrespectful to Ye and all professional
athletes. Following this logic, Mr. Callaway can easily accuse any athlete
“doping” without having any evidence; and ironically, according to him,
those being accused have no way to prove themselves innocent: even if they
pass all rigorous drug test, they can still be doping at a different time,
or even be dope some unidentified drugs! I cannot help wondering if
presumption of innocence (innocent until proven guilty) still has people’s
belief nowadays, or it is considered outdated in Nature, or in UK?
Last but not least, although Mr. Callaway claimed that he was attempting to
discuss science, instead of “racial and political undertones”. Readers can
easily smell the hidden (yet clearly implied) racism and discrimination.
Yes, we may all agree that better methodology for drug test (such as “
biological passport”) is needed for the anti-doping effort. But why the
stunning performance from this 16-year-old gifted swimmer can lead to such a
proposal? Was Mr. Callaway suggesting that Ye was found drug-clean simply
because the drug detection method was not advanced enough? At the end of the
article, Mr. Callaway even quoted “When we look at this young swimmer from
China who breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a
question or two.” So athletes from China, despite their talent and training
, are supposed to perform bad and never break world records, otherwise they
deserve to be questioned, suspected, and accused? Backed up by technological
progress and better training/supporting systems, athletes worldwide are
maximizing their potentials. World records are being refreshed every year.
USA’s Michael Phelps just won a record 19th medals in Olympics and he has
broken numerous swimming world records. Shall we also “ask a question or
two” about his “anomalous” performance?
Nature is considered one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the
world; many scientists, including myself, chose Nature to publish their best
work (I myself have co-authored three papers published in Nature and Nature
sister journals). However, Mr. Callaway’s article, which is not only
misleading, but also full of racial and political bias, has tainted Nature’
s reputation in the scientific community, and among the general audience.
Unless Nature takes further actions (e.g. publicly retract this article and
apologize to Ye and all athletes), I hereby decide not to send my work to
Nature any more-and believe me I will not be the last one to protest.
XXX,PhD
o*e
3 楼
我就随便写了两句。。。
(也是自动回复说“out of the office”)
not
an
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
(也是自动回复说“out of the office”)
not
an
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
b*t
5 楼
我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
COMMENTS又用多了。
我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
些历史记录?
看下文:
【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
正经想做些事的话,收集些 data, 写片correspondence 去投稿。 题目就叫“
performance profiling does not serve as reliable anti-doping measurement”
什么的。图1a 把所有游泳队员在14-17 岁的成绩比较一下,就说明叶的表现不是
outliner , 很多人也在这段长身体时间有大提高,包括 Phelps, missy franklin, 澳
洲的几个新手。 图1 b 把所有近两年被查出吃药的 游泳队员 和没查出吃药的混在一
起,做performance profiling, 看是否在统计学上吃药的和不吃的在performance 有
显著不同。 写的职业一些,不要直接为中国或某个其他国家或队员开脱。最后可以加
上些讨论暗示 performance profiling 其实是掩盖 racial profiling。
我是没时间,不过板上其他兄弟能收集data 的话,我可以帮忙看下。 在Nature 上和
老中叫板,纯粹不想混了。如果nature 不收,我们还可以投到别的杂志去恶心他。明
显这次是editor脑残,我们不能这么放他们。
COMMENTS又用多了。
我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
些历史记录?
看下文:
【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
正经想做些事的话,收集些 data, 写片correspondence 去投稿。 题目就叫“
performance profiling does not serve as reliable anti-doping measurement”
什么的。图1a 把所有游泳队员在14-17 岁的成绩比较一下,就说明叶的表现不是
outliner , 很多人也在这段长身体时间有大提高,包括 Phelps, missy franklin, 澳
洲的几个新手。 图1 b 把所有近两年被查出吃药的 游泳队员 和没查出吃药的混在一
起,做performance profiling, 看是否在统计学上吃药的和不吃的在performance 有
显著不同。 写的职业一些,不要直接为中国或某个其他国家或队员开脱。最后可以加
上些讨论暗示 performance profiling 其实是掩盖 racial profiling。
我是没时间,不过板上其他兄弟能收集data 的话,我可以帮忙看下。 在Nature 上和
老中叫板,纯粹不想混了。如果nature 不收,我们还可以投到别的杂志去恶心他。明
显这次是editor脑残,我们不能这么放他们。
k*0
6 楼
同时投稿Science,听说两家斗得厉害。Science应该很喜欢看Nature的笑话。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
D*a
7 楼
Science也是美帝的啊,我赶脚应该投cell research
p*m
8 楼
这个我觉得没必要 他们信口一扯 你还要老老实实找证据 那你不搞笑的么?而且人家
文章说的清清楚楚,没有查到药不说明就是没吃药,中国人牛B就需要问问题,要由
1000个华人科学家直接去抗议我不相信没用
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
文章说的清清楚楚,没有查到药不说明就是没吃药,中国人牛B就需要问问题,要由
1000个华人科学家直接去抗议我不相信没用
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
b*D
9 楼
支持
K*4
10 楼
well-written
支持你
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
支持你
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
s*y
11 楼
文章的逻辑是这样的,你一华人,现在没查出你磕药不代表你没磕药,你要证明自己没
磕药,随时接受检查。推而广之,现在没证据你杀人不代表你没杀人,你要证明自己没
杀人,随时去政府报到来证明自己没杀人,每天的行程必须有纪录,去每个地方都要找
两个证人说明自己在哪儿,还不能是替身,随时验DNA。
这件事其实是很好的教材,某些西人心理深层的东西都暴露了。
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
磕药,随时接受检查。推而广之,现在没证据你杀人不代表你没杀人,你要证明自己没
杀人,随时去政府报到来证明自己没杀人,每天的行程必须有纪录,去每个地方都要找
两个证人说明自己在哪儿,还不能是替身,随时验DNA。
这件事其实是很好的教材,某些西人心理深层的东西都暴露了。
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
s*y
12 楼
我也写了一封比较短的去表达了我的不满。系统自动回信说他不在。不知道是不是真的
不在还是挂了个免战牌。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
不在还是挂了个免战牌。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
a*r
14 楼
这是NATURE文章里采访的南非人的CONTACT INFO:
Tel: +27 21 650 4640
Email: R*********[email protected]
按他说的, 国际奥委会的药检就是无用功。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
Tel: +27 21 650 4640
Email: R*********[email protected]
按他说的, 国际奥委会的药检就是无用功。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
a*r
15 楼
我们应该停止订阅NATURE了,这已经是个哗众取宠的广告刊物了
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
i*e
16 楼
支持!
可以不可以大伙联名,最后让peoplem附上on behalf of xxx,xxx, etc.
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
可以不可以大伙联名,最后让peoplem附上on behalf of xxx,xxx, etc.
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
I*a
17 楼
多啦几个有影响力的华人科学家可能有用,
nature 一直有偏见,
nature 一直有偏见,
w*y
19 楼
热
z*u
20 楼
支持。。。签名一个!已发信箱。
n*b
24 楼
说了多少遍了,Nature和别的杂志一样要竞争要赚钱。如何开拓中国人的市场是编辑们
的生存的途径。
说开点,想想Chick fil A靠什么能创造Junk Food Sales Record.
与其愤青般的抗议,不如看看有多少历届和本界美国“优秀”游泳运动员,即便只是女
运动员,是在15,16, 17岁创记录出名的。任何人都可以举反例反驳,为什么要表明科
学家,还要有名的华人科学家?
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
的生存的途径。
说开点,想想Chick fil A靠什么能创造Junk Food Sales Record.
与其愤青般的抗议,不如看看有多少历届和本界美国“优秀”游泳运动员,即便只是女
运动员,是在15,16, 17岁创记录出名的。任何人都可以举反例反驳,为什么要表明科
学家,还要有名的华人科学家?
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
p*m
25 楼
你可以继续cynical继续指点江山 不过做事情的人是我们 呵呵 至于为什么要是科学家
因为科学家才是Nature的财源 科学家抵制了Nature才会觉得痛 就这么简单
【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: 说了多少遍了,Nature和别的杂志一样要竞争要赚钱。如何开拓中国人的市场是编辑们
: 的生存的途径。
: 说开点,想想Chick fil A靠什么能创造Junk Food Sales Record.
: 与其愤青般的抗议,不如看看有多少历届和本界美国“优秀”游泳运动员,即便只是女
: 运动员,是在15,16, 17岁创记录出名的。任何人都可以举反例反驳,为什么要表明科
: 学家,还要有名的华人科学家?
:
: not
因为科学家才是Nature的财源 科学家抵制了Nature才会觉得痛 就这么简单
【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: 说了多少遍了,Nature和别的杂志一样要竞争要赚钱。如何开拓中国人的市场是编辑们
: 的生存的途径。
: 说开点,想想Chick fil A靠什么能创造Junk Food Sales Record.
: 与其愤青般的抗议,不如看看有多少历届和本界美国“优秀”游泳运动员,即便只是女
: 运动员,是在15,16, 17岁创记录出名的。任何人都可以举反例反驳,为什么要表明科
: 学家,还要有名的华人科学家?
:
: not
p*m
26 楼
目前有六位同学志愿联署 如果还有愿意加入的请吧你的姓名机构名和email发给我 我
保证这些信息不会作他用。信正式发出前会给大家再看一次终稿
PS 版主能不能帮我把这个回帖置顶一天?(主帖不必)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
article that appeared in Nature yesterday, titled “Why great Olympic feats
raise suspicions”, completely groundless and extremely disturbing.
In that article, Mr. Callaway questioned China’s 16-year-old swimmer Ye
Shiwen, who won two gold medals in women’s 200-meter and 400-meter
individual medley (400 IM) in London Olympics, and said her record-breaking
performance “anomalous”. However, the evidence he used to support his
reckless statement is simply groundless.
As many have pointed out in the major media, it is not uncommon for an elite
and young swimmer to increase his/her performance in a relatively short
time window. An Australian swimmer and Olympics gold medalist, Ian Thorpe,
said that he improved his 400-meter performance by 5 seconds around same age
as Ye. UK’s Adrian Moorhouse, a Seoul Olympics gold medalist, also
testified openly that he “improved four seconds” at the age of 17. He
also called the suspicions around Ye’s performance “sour grape”.
The other point that Ewen Callaway used to support his accusation, that Ye
swam faster than US swimmer Ryan Lochte in the last 50 meters when he won
gold in the men’s 400 IM, is unfortunately also unprovoked. First of all,
Ryan Lochte did not perform the best in the final 50 meters. He only ranked
5th in the last 50 meters, at 29’’10, which was significantly slower than
Japan’s Yuya Horihata (27”87) and three other swimmers competing in the
same event. (Ye’s performance was 28”93). It could be that Lochte was away
ahead of his competitors in the first three splits so he did not have to
strike too hard in the final 50 meters, or that he had used up all his
strength. So one cannot only look at the final 50 meters of Ye and Lochte
and conclude that Ye swam faster than a men’s champion. In fact, Ye’s
record-breaking performance in women’s 400 IM (4’28”43) was significantly
slower than Lochte’s (4’5”18). Secondly, even if one only looks at the
performance of the final 50 meters, women can certainly surpass men and Ye’
s performance shouldn’t be accused as “anomalous”. For example, in last
year’s World Championships in Shanghai, UK’s swimmer Rebecca Adlington won
a gold medal in women’s 800-meter freestyle. In that event her performance
in her final 50 meters (28”91) was faster than both Ye and Lochte in
London.
It is worth pointing out that all the facts I listed above can be easily
tracked in major media and from the Internet. With just a little effort Ewen
Callaway could have avoided raising groundless and disturbing charges
against China’s young athlete in a professional scientific journal.
Even worse, Ewen Callaway further argued that Ye’s clean drug test in
Olympics ”doesn’t rule out the possibility of doping”, implying that Ye
might dope “during training” and escape the more rigorous tests during
Olympics. Such a statement is disrespectful to Ye and all professional
athletes. Following this logic, Mr. Callaway can easily accuse any athlete
“doping” without having any evidence; and ironically, according to him,
those being accused have no way to prove themselves innocent: even if they
pass all rigorous drug test, they can still be doping at a different time,
or even be dope some unidentified drugs! I cannot help wondering if
presumption of innocence (innocent until proven guilty) still has people’s
belief nowadays, or it is considered outdated in Nature, or in UK?
Last but not least, although Mr. Callaway claimed that he was attempting to
discuss science, instead of “racial and political undertones”. Readers can
easily smell the hidden (yet clearly implied) racism and discrimination.
Yes, we may all agree that better methodology for drug test (such as “
biological passport”) is needed for the anti-doping effort. But why the
stunning performance from this 16-year-old gifted swimmer can lead to such a
proposal? Was Mr. Callaway suggesting that Ye was found drug-clean simply
because the drug detection method was not advanced enough? At the end of the
article, Mr. Callaway even quoted “When we look at this young swimmer from
China who breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a
question or two.” So athletes from China, despite their talent and training
, are supposed to perform bad and never break world records, otherwise they
deserve to be questioned, suspected, and accused? Backed up by technological
progress and better training/supporting systems, athletes worldwide are
maximizing their potentials. World records are being refreshed every year.
USA’s Michael Phelps just won a record 19th medals in Olympics and he has
broken numerous swimming world records. Shall we also “ask a question or
two” about his “anomalous” performance?
Nature is considered one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the
world; many scientists, including myself, chose Nature to publish their best
work (I myself have co-authored three papers published in Nature and Nature
sister journals). However, Mr. Callaway’s article, which is not only
misleading, but also full of racial and political bias, has tainted Nature’
s reputation in the scientific community, and among the general audience.
Unless Nature takes further actions (e.g. publicly retract this article and
apologize to Ye and all athletes), I hereby decide not to send my work to
Nature any more-and believe me I will not be the last one to protest.
XXX,PhD
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
保证这些信息不会作他用。信正式发出前会给大家再看一次终稿
PS 版主能不能帮我把这个回帖置顶一天?(主帖不必)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
article that appeared in Nature yesterday, titled “Why great Olympic feats
raise suspicions”, completely groundless and extremely disturbing.
In that article, Mr. Callaway questioned China’s 16-year-old swimmer Ye
Shiwen, who won two gold medals in women’s 200-meter and 400-meter
individual medley (400 IM) in London Olympics, and said her record-breaking
performance “anomalous”. However, the evidence he used to support his
reckless statement is simply groundless.
As many have pointed out in the major media, it is not uncommon for an elite
and young swimmer to increase his/her performance in a relatively short
time window. An Australian swimmer and Olympics gold medalist, Ian Thorpe,
said that he improved his 400-meter performance by 5 seconds around same age
as Ye. UK’s Adrian Moorhouse, a Seoul Olympics gold medalist, also
testified openly that he “improved four seconds” at the age of 17. He
also called the suspicions around Ye’s performance “sour grape”.
The other point that Ewen Callaway used to support his accusation, that Ye
swam faster than US swimmer Ryan Lochte in the last 50 meters when he won
gold in the men’s 400 IM, is unfortunately also unprovoked. First of all,
Ryan Lochte did not perform the best in the final 50 meters. He only ranked
5th in the last 50 meters, at 29’’10, which was significantly slower than
Japan’s Yuya Horihata (27”87) and three other swimmers competing in the
same event. (Ye’s performance was 28”93). It could be that Lochte was away
ahead of his competitors in the first three splits so he did not have to
strike too hard in the final 50 meters, or that he had used up all his
strength. So one cannot only look at the final 50 meters of Ye and Lochte
and conclude that Ye swam faster than a men’s champion. In fact, Ye’s
record-breaking performance in women’s 400 IM (4’28”43) was significantly
slower than Lochte’s (4’5”18). Secondly, even if one only looks at the
performance of the final 50 meters, women can certainly surpass men and Ye’
s performance shouldn’t be accused as “anomalous”. For example, in last
year’s World Championships in Shanghai, UK’s swimmer Rebecca Adlington won
a gold medal in women’s 800-meter freestyle. In that event her performance
in her final 50 meters (28”91) was faster than both Ye and Lochte in
London.
It is worth pointing out that all the facts I listed above can be easily
tracked in major media and from the Internet. With just a little effort Ewen
Callaway could have avoided raising groundless and disturbing charges
against China’s young athlete in a professional scientific journal.
Even worse, Ewen Callaway further argued that Ye’s clean drug test in
Olympics ”doesn’t rule out the possibility of doping”, implying that Ye
might dope “during training” and escape the more rigorous tests during
Olympics. Such a statement is disrespectful to Ye and all professional
athletes. Following this logic, Mr. Callaway can easily accuse any athlete
“doping” without having any evidence; and ironically, according to him,
those being accused have no way to prove themselves innocent: even if they
pass all rigorous drug test, they can still be doping at a different time,
or even be dope some unidentified drugs! I cannot help wondering if
presumption of innocence (innocent until proven guilty) still has people’s
belief nowadays, or it is considered outdated in Nature, or in UK?
Last but not least, although Mr. Callaway claimed that he was attempting to
discuss science, instead of “racial and political undertones”. Readers can
easily smell the hidden (yet clearly implied) racism and discrimination.
Yes, we may all agree that better methodology for drug test (such as “
biological passport”) is needed for the anti-doping effort. But why the
stunning performance from this 16-year-old gifted swimmer can lead to such a
proposal? Was Mr. Callaway suggesting that Ye was found drug-clean simply
because the drug detection method was not advanced enough? At the end of the
article, Mr. Callaway even quoted “When we look at this young swimmer from
China who breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a
question or two.” So athletes from China, despite their talent and training
, are supposed to perform bad and never break world records, otherwise they
deserve to be questioned, suspected, and accused? Backed up by technological
progress and better training/supporting systems, athletes worldwide are
maximizing their potentials. World records are being refreshed every year.
USA’s Michael Phelps just won a record 19th medals in Olympics and he has
broken numerous swimming world records. Shall we also “ask a question or
two” about his “anomalous” performance?
Nature is considered one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the
world; many scientists, including myself, chose Nature to publish their best
work (I myself have co-authored three papers published in Nature and Nature
sister journals). However, Mr. Callaway’s article, which is not only
misleading, but also full of racial and political bias, has tainted Nature’
s reputation in the scientific community, and among the general audience.
Unless Nature takes further actions (e.g. publicly retract this article and
apologize to Ye and all athletes), I hereby decide not to send my work to
Nature any more-and believe me I will not be the last one to protest.
XXX,PhD
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
B*u
27 楼
本来准备投了一个垃圾子刊,看来可以不投他了。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
b*y
28 楼
support.
j*i
29 楼
支持你们的行动!俺phd都没有毕业不好意思签上小名。。。
m*7
31 楼
Support!
k*d
32 楼
支持,已给你发信
o*4
33 楼
支持
i*e
34 楼
应该再加一条,说小孩去游泳馆,金毛们都指着说你们中国人游泳都是骗的,证据是连
最好的科学杂志Nature都是这么说的,负面影响很严重,小孩心灵很受伤
最好的科学杂志Nature都是这么说的,负面影响很严重,小孩心灵很受伤
I*a
35 楼
p*m
36 楼
update下 目前有18位生物同修联署 我想等到今晚收集更多的签名以后在伦敦时间早晨
发给各位编辑。如果有兴趣联署的请把姓名,工作单位和email发给我,我发出之前会
cc所有人最后一次确认内容
not
an
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
发给各位编辑。如果有兴趣联署的请把姓名,工作单位和email发给我,我发出之前会
cc所有人最后一次确认内容
not
an
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
c*e
37 楼
写得不错, sour grape 应该是复数。 不过我脚得写太长了大概主编不会看, 言简意
赅会更好些。
赅会更好些。
j*m
39 楼
妈逼的,电话邮箱都贴到craigslist上去,地址有的话说foreclosure东西全送人欢迎
来搬
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.56
来搬
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.56
p*u
41 楼
我已经发了,直接叫他滚蛋, 还骂了SOB, FBI不会来找我吧。我这辈子是没有发
Nature的希望喽
Nature的希望喽
S*I
42 楼
要求署名,信息发到你邮箱了。谢谢
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
V*k
43 楼
写完请发到奥运版.那签名的人更多..
m*n
44 楼
发了
n*h
45 楼
私信已发,算我一个。
妈的太恶心了,那个出来骂战的Noah Gary handle过我几篇文章。 从他骂战的回复里
深切体会西方从骨子里歧视华人。
长远看,50-100年后我们要有自己的期刊,跟他们干。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
妈的太恶心了,那个出来骂战的Noah Gary handle过我几篇文章。 从他骂战的回复里
深切体会西方从骨子里歧视华人。
长远看,50-100年后我们要有自己的期刊,跟他们干。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
b*n
47 楼
re
k*i
48 楼
顶
还应该要求Nature retract the article from the website ASAP,追究相关责任编辑
和作者的责任,公开正式向叶诗文道歉
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
还应该要求Nature retract the article from the website ASAP,追究相关责任编辑
和作者的责任,公开正式向叶诗文道歉
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
p*m
49 楼
谢谢大家支持!update一下 目前有29人联署~我再按照几位同学的建议最后润色抗议信
定稿前会发给大家征求意见。另外,也有几位同学提出了一些提交方式的建议 我也会
和大家讨论
not
an
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
定稿前会发给大家征求意见。另外,也有几位同学提出了一些提交方式的建议 我也会
和大家讨论
not
an
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
z*h
51 楼
I have a simple solution that every one can do it. STOP CITING NATURE or its
series journals when you write your papers. You use other sources to
replace it. As a result, the impact factors of Nature will go down if more
persons are doing it.
series journals when you write your papers. You use other sources to
replace it. As a result, the impact factors of Nature will go down if more
persons are doing it.
w*g
52 楼
Good idea. Support.
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
j*7
53 楼
发了信件了。
谢谢为此的付出。
谢谢为此的付出。
n*e
56 楼
This Noah Gray is the editor of the Nature paper which was found to be
fabricated and discovered by guys on mitbbs biology section (I still
remember the head image is the back head of an old guy). However, after 1-2
year, this paper is still there, and Noah Gray still has his job.
fabricated and discovered by guys on mitbbs biology section (I still
remember the head image is the back head of an old guy). However, after 1-2
year, this paper is still there, and Noah Gray still has his job.
p*5
57 楼
游泳的数据我可以帮忙。
我也可以尝试找找美国游泳界的业内人士,包括这次参赛的国家队教练和运动员,看看
有没有愿意
一起署名的。
有人愿意一起做这么事情么?
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
我也可以尝试找找美国游泳界的业内人士,包括这次参赛的国家队教练和运动员,看看
有没有愿意
一起署名的。
有人愿意一起做这么事情么?
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
n*e
59 楼
c*q
60 楼
来人转发到其他版吧
z*t
61 楼
Nature的online editor也回复了 说我们没说ye服了药啊 我们理解中国人很敏感 但是
不要在留言了
还有个疑似faculty哥们直接说中国人都是骗子中国科学家和学生都做假 咱要不要人肉
下 把这人揪出来然后complain
如果大牛们写信 俺们就放心了 看到好多人非常冲动在nature下面留言也没有 很容易
被人讲不professional 抓住小辫子 统一行动的口径和诉求比自己上去说两句要好 这
文章根本站不住脚 但如果我们不注意和老外斗的方式方法就很难不节外生枝直接了当
的解决问题
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
不要在留言了
还有个疑似faculty哥们直接说中国人都是骗子中国科学家和学生都做假 咱要不要人肉
下 把这人揪出来然后complain
如果大牛们写信 俺们就放心了 看到好多人非常冲动在nature下面留言也没有 很容易
被人讲不professional 抓住小辫子 统一行动的口径和诉求比自己上去说两句要好 这
文章根本站不住脚 但如果我们不注意和老外斗的方式方法就很难不节外生枝直接了当
的解决问题
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
s*0
62 楼
这还叫英语不行,这简直就是gre考试的模板文章嘛。支持你的投诉!
s*a
63 楼
这家伙说50米超过男子的事,直接说小孩都知道如果兔子没用力的话,乌龟都可能跑过
兔子
。作为一个SCIENTIFIC的杂志EDITOR居然用这样的数据来MISLEADING大众。是科研素养
的问题还是居心叵测!不管哪一条,这货都应该下课!
兔子
。作为一个SCIENTIFIC的杂志EDITOR居然用这样的数据来MISLEADING大众。是科研素养
的问题还是居心叵测!不管哪一条,这货都应该下课!
b*e
64 楼
support.
my info sent to you.
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
my info sent to you.
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
l*5
65 楼
先发了再说。我支持你。怎样签名?
b*e
66 楼
我觉得是不是先不那么着急递交,等多联系一些人,形成一股更加强大的力量,会更有
影响力。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
影响力。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
a*e
67 楼
写的很好,信息已发
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
b*e
68 楼
顶, 信息见站内短信
b*n
69 楼
支持
l*1
71 楼
mitbbs 前 后的四大天王 都上 哈 包括同济的N 院士 F洲的sunnyday nas
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
l*1
72 楼
2016 里约奥运 将阿根廷 和巴西的 Ye Shi-Wen 培养出来
在15,16, 17岁创记录出名
轰走霉帝 英帝的游泳
奖牌 才是白兔体育的正事之一
Ps: 到时候 Nature 再来一篇的话 就失去了南美的科学家的支持
然后是非洲的尼日利亚的 Ye Shi-Wen 培养出来
在15,16, 17岁创记录出名
东亚病夫 到南美啥夫 到 非洲哪夫
最终 让 英帝病夫自个去玩去吧 这里单指奥运游泳一项。
-----
发信人: needlescrub (Lancet), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 16:10:36 2012, 美东)
说了多少遍了,Nature和别的杂志一样要竞争要赚钱。如何开拓中国人的市场是编辑们
的生存的途径。
说开点,想想Chick fil A靠什么能创造Junk Food Sales Record.
与其愤青般的抗议,不如看看有多少历届和本界美国“优秀”游泳运动员,即便只是女
运动员,是在15,16, 17岁创记录出名的。
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: Science也是美帝的啊,我赶脚应该投cell research
在15,16, 17岁创记录出名
轰走霉帝 英帝的游泳
奖牌 才是白兔体育的正事之一
Ps: 到时候 Nature 再来一篇的话 就失去了南美的科学家的支持
然后是非洲的尼日利亚的 Ye Shi-Wen 培养出来
在15,16, 17岁创记录出名
东亚病夫 到南美啥夫 到 非洲哪夫
最终 让 英帝病夫自个去玩去吧 这里单指奥运游泳一项。
-----
发信人: needlescrub (Lancet), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 16:10:36 2012, 美东)
说了多少遍了,Nature和别的杂志一样要竞争要赚钱。如何开拓中国人的市场是编辑们
的生存的途径。
说开点,想想Chick fil A靠什么能创造Junk Food Sales Record.
与其愤青般的抗议,不如看看有多少历届和本界美国“优秀”游泳运动员,即便只是女
运动员,是在15,16, 17岁创记录出名的。
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: Science也是美帝的啊,我赶脚应该投cell research
n*e
73 楼
其实这是小人玩儿的计俩,一方面把你的照片和坏人坏事放在一起,用眼盯着你,然后
说我可没说一定是你。。They look down all Chinese to the bone. No matter you
are left/right anti-TG or not. "I don't say you are a cheater, but if you
are.. then..." Why should we need their approval (CNS's approval)? One of
the biggest problem is they distorted the fact.
They could have their own opinion, but they could not distort the fact.
I hope this is a vaccine to stimulate all Chinese to work harder.
【在 z*t 的大作中提到】
: Nature的online editor也回复了 说我们没说ye服了药啊 我们理解中国人很敏感 但是
: 不要在留言了
: 还有个疑似faculty哥们直接说中国人都是骗子中国科学家和学生都做假 咱要不要人肉
: 下 把这人揪出来然后complain
: 如果大牛们写信 俺们就放心了 看到好多人非常冲动在nature下面留言也没有 很容易
: 被人讲不professional 抓住小辫子 统一行动的口径和诉求比自己上去说两句要好 这
: 文章根本站不住脚 但如果我们不注意和老外斗的方式方法就很难不节外生枝直接了当
: 的解决问题
:
: not
说我可没说一定是你。。They look down all Chinese to the bone. No matter you
are left/right anti-TG or not. "I don't say you are a cheater, but if you
are.. then..." Why should we need their approval (CNS's approval)? One of
the biggest problem is they distorted the fact.
They could have their own opinion, but they could not distort the fact.
I hope this is a vaccine to stimulate all Chinese to work harder.
【在 z*t 的大作中提到】
: Nature的online editor也回复了 说我们没说ye服了药啊 我们理解中国人很敏感 但是
: 不要在留言了
: 还有个疑似faculty哥们直接说中国人都是骗子中国科学家和学生都做假 咱要不要人肉
: 下 把这人揪出来然后complain
: 如果大牛们写信 俺们就放心了 看到好多人非常冲动在nature下面留言也没有 很容易
: 被人讲不professional 抓住小辫子 统一行动的口径和诉求比自己上去说两句要好 这
: 文章根本站不住脚 但如果我们不注意和老外斗的方式方法就很难不节外生枝直接了当
: 的解决问题
:
: not
l*1
74 楼
pls refer this Book:
The Clash of Civilizations
by Samuel P. Huntington,
//www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/pnorris/Acrobat/Huntington_Clash.pdf
再想一下阿拉伯之春 和目前的 叙利亚 伊朗之问题 就啥都明白啦
新冷战的圣经: The Clash of Civilizations
you
【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 其实这是小人玩儿的计俩,一方面把你的照片和坏人坏事放在一起,用眼盯着你,然后
: 说我可没说一定是你。。They look down all Chinese to the bone. No matter you
: are left/right anti-TG or not. "I don't say you are a cheater, but if you
: are.. then..." Why should we need their approval (CNS's approval)? One of
: the biggest problem is they distorted the fact.
: They could have their own opinion, but they could not distort the fact.
: I hope this is a vaccine to stimulate all Chinese to work harder.
The Clash of Civilizations
by Samuel P. Huntington,
//www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/pnorris/Acrobat/Huntington_Clash.pdf
再想一下阿拉伯之春 和目前的 叙利亚 伊朗之问题 就啥都明白啦
新冷战的圣经: The Clash of Civilizations
you
【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 其实这是小人玩儿的计俩,一方面把你的照片和坏人坏事放在一起,用眼盯着你,然后
: 说我可没说一定是你。。They look down all Chinese to the bone. No matter you
: are left/right anti-TG or not. "I don't say you are a cheater, but if you
: are.. then..." Why should we need their approval (CNS's approval)? One of
: the biggest problem is they distorted the fact.
: They could have their own opinion, but they could not distort the fact.
: I hope this is a vaccine to stimulate all Chinese to work harder.
l*1
76 楼
华裔华人美国NAS 的有连署的话
Nature retract the article from the website ASAP,追究相关责任编辑
不成以后
让Nature 2016后IF credit lower than 9.99
Nature retract the article from the website ASAP,追究相关责任编辑
不成以后
让Nature 2016后IF credit lower than 9.99
J*a
77 楼
I feel so confused...I am not saying that she is indeed doping, but how come
you guys are so sure that she is definitely not.
you guys are so sure that she is definitely not.
l*1
78 楼
you sure?
到后来一个自称faculty的傻X跑出来说中国学生从GRE TOEFL就开始作假
发信人: finecheese (my cookie can``.), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: nature的文章我们也许反应过度了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 3 03:33:54 2012, 美东)
正是由于大家是PHD才那么快地发现了文章的漏洞。
你不用说那么一大堆,这个问题根本没有争议,叶已经接受了多次药检,并没有发现
doping证据,这时候西媒还咬着不放就是不折不扣的种族主义。
那么多评论客观地引用事实,这些人里面有biologist,有statistician,其实你认真
地看完Lai Jiang和另外几个人的评论的话就不会认为谁反应过度了。一开始大家都是
针对scientific integrity的问题,指出原文作者选择性地引用了对自己有利的证据。
到后来一个自称faculty的傻X跑出来说中国学生从GRE TOEFL就开始作假,这就是明显
种族主义了。然后还有Nature的主编Noah Gray在twitter上各种选择性引用对他有利的
评论,我才明白原文一开始是怎么能发表的。Gray的twitter帐号是noahWG,欢迎大家围
观。
哦另外,对于叶诗文是不是doping的判断并不需要什么专业知识,或者说需要一种这个
世界
上还没有的专业知识——未来先进药检技术。但要是这样推论的话这个世界上就没有运
动员是干净的了。
come
【在 J**a 的大作中提到】
: I feel so confused...I am not saying that she is indeed doping, but how come
: you guys are so sure that she is definitely not.
到后来一个自称faculty的傻X跑出来说中国学生从GRE TOEFL就开始作假
发信人: finecheese (my cookie can``.), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: nature的文章我们也许反应过度了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 3 03:33:54 2012, 美东)
正是由于大家是PHD才那么快地发现了文章的漏洞。
你不用说那么一大堆,这个问题根本没有争议,叶已经接受了多次药检,并没有发现
doping证据,这时候西媒还咬着不放就是不折不扣的种族主义。
那么多评论客观地引用事实,这些人里面有biologist,有statistician,其实你认真
地看完Lai Jiang和另外几个人的评论的话就不会认为谁反应过度了。一开始大家都是
针对scientific integrity的问题,指出原文作者选择性地引用了对自己有利的证据。
到后来一个自称faculty的傻X跑出来说中国学生从GRE TOEFL就开始作假,这就是明显
种族主义了。然后还有Nature的主编Noah Gray在twitter上各种选择性引用对他有利的
评论,我才明白原文一开始是怎么能发表的。Gray的twitter帐号是noahWG,欢迎大家围
观。
哦另外,对于叶诗文是不是doping的判断并不需要什么专业知识,或者说需要一种这个
世界
上还没有的专业知识——未来先进药检技术。但要是这样推论的话这个世界上就没有运
动员是干净的了。
come
【在 J**a 的大作中提到】
: I feel so confused...I am not saying that she is indeed doping, but how come
: you guys are so sure that she is definitely not.
n*e
79 楼
The logic they used is, I could not and don't need to prove you are the
cheater,but somehow you are the cheater since the last 1 cm you were faster
than that loser. For a guy on a street (red neck?) it might be just stupid,
but for Nature as the top journal, it could not be accepted for this logic.
Otherwise No Chinese will survive here.
come
【在 J**a 的大作中提到】
: I feel so confused...I am not saying that she is indeed doping, but how come
: you guys are so sure that she is definitely not.
cheater,but somehow you are the cheater since the last 1 cm you were faster
than that loser. For a guy on a street (red neck?) it might be just stupid,
but for Nature as the top journal, it could not be accepted for this logic.
Otherwise No Chinese will survive here.
come
【在 J**a 的大作中提到】
: I feel so confused...I am not saying that she is indeed doping, but how come
: you guys are so sure that she is definitely not.
J*a
80 楼
well, the author does not claim that she treated. It is just a possibility.
faster
,
.
【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: The logic they used is, I could not and don't need to prove you are the
: cheater,but somehow you are the cheater since the last 1 cm you were faster
: than that loser. For a guy on a street (red neck?) it might be just stupid,
: but for Nature as the top journal, it could not be accepted for this logic.
: Otherwise No Chinese will survive here.
:
: come
faster
,
.
【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: The logic they used is, I could not and don't need to prove you are the
: cheater,but somehow you are the cheater since the last 1 cm you were faster
: than that loser. For a guy on a street (red neck?) it might be just stupid,
: but for Nature as the top journal, it could not be accepted for this logic.
: Otherwise No Chinese will survive here.
:
: come
J*a
82 楼
It is fair to say that more likely Ye did not cheat. But as a scientist, we
certainly need to have a much higher bar to disprove or to prove something,
because facts leave no room for even small possibilities.
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: you sure?
: 到后来一个自称faculty的傻X跑出来说中国学生从GRE TOEFL就开始作假
: 发信人: finecheese (my cookie can``.), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: nature的文章我们也许反应过度了
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 3 03:33:54 2012, 美东)
: 正是由于大家是PHD才那么快地发现了文章的漏洞。
: 你不用说那么一大堆,这个问题根本没有争议,叶已经接受了多次药检,并没有发现
: doping证据,这时候西媒还咬着不放就是不折不扣的种族主义。
: 那么多评论客观地引用事实,这些人里面有biologist,有statistician,其实你认真
: 地看完Lai Jiang和另外几个人的评论的话就不会认为谁反应过度了。一开始大家都是
certainly need to have a much higher bar to disprove or to prove something,
because facts leave no room for even small possibilities.
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: you sure?
: 到后来一个自称faculty的傻X跑出来说中国学生从GRE TOEFL就开始作假
: 发信人: finecheese (my cookie can``.), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: nature的文章我们也许反应过度了
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 3 03:33:54 2012, 美东)
: 正是由于大家是PHD才那么快地发现了文章的漏洞。
: 你不用说那么一大堆,这个问题根本没有争议,叶已经接受了多次药检,并没有发现
: doping证据,这时候西媒还咬着不放就是不折不扣的种族主义。
: 那么多评论客观地引用事实,这些人里面有biologist,有statistician,其实你认真
: 地看完Lai Jiang和另外几个人的评论的话就不会认为谁反应过度了。一开始大家都是
n*e
83 楼
What if I say I don't say you are an idiot(murder,criminal, sex offender,
crazy,..), but there are some possibilities you are an idiot (murder,
criminal, crazy,..)? They played game with wording, but it is very
insulting. If you are from Beijing you may know someone may "Ma Ni" without
using dirty words.
we
,
【在 J**a 的大作中提到】
: It is fair to say that more likely Ye did not cheat. But as a scientist, we
: certainly need to have a much higher bar to disprove or to prove something,
: because facts leave no room for even small possibilities.
crazy,..), but there are some possibilities you are an idiot (murder,
criminal, crazy,..)? They played game with wording, but it is very
insulting. If you are from Beijing you may know someone may "Ma Ni" without
using dirty words.
we
,
【在 J**a 的大作中提到】
: It is fair to say that more likely Ye did not cheat. But as a scientist, we
: certainly need to have a much higher bar to disprove or to prove something,
: because facts leave no room for even small possibilities.
l*r
84 楼
支持一下
我老觉得,破Nature太把自己当回事了。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
我老觉得,破Nature太把自己当回事了。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
T*r
86 楼
支持
j*2
87 楼
Nature 主编回信:
Dear Dr XXX,
We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win "
has been tinged with racial and political undertones". The last paragraph
quotes an expert saying "When we look at this young swimmer from China who
breaks a world record, that's not proof of anything. It asks a question or
two."
The article is a fair-minded look at a controversy that we did not initiate.
It asks whether new developments in performance monitoring could dispel the
unfortunate suspicions that, these days, the most extraordinary athletic
performance raise, whatever the nationality of the athlete.
Best,
Roseann Campbell
nature
Dear Dr XXX,
We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win "
has been tinged with racial and political undertones". The last paragraph
quotes an expert saying "When we look at this young swimmer from China who
breaks a world record, that's not proof of anything. It asks a question or
two."
The article is a fair-minded look at a controversy that we did not initiate.
It asks whether new developments in performance monitoring could dispel the
unfortunate suspicions that, these days, the most extraordinary athletic
performance raise, whatever the nationality of the athlete.
Best,
Roseann Campbell
nature
g*s
88 楼
靠,居然连事实错误都不承认。虽然我不是搞生物的,但我要写信给别的教授,
boycott Nature!
by
never
【在 j*******2 的大作中提到】
: Nature 主编回信:
: Dear Dr XXX,
: We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
: the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
: intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
: the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
: had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win "
: has been tinged with racial and political undertones". The last paragraph
: quotes an expert saying "When we look at this young swimmer from China who
: breaks a world record, that's not proof of anything. It asks a question or
boycott Nature!
by
never
【在 j*******2 的大作中提到】
: Nature 主编回信:
: Dear Dr XXX,
: We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
: the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
: intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
: the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
: had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win "
: has been tinged with racial and political undertones". The last paragraph
: quotes an expert saying "When we look at this young swimmer from China who
: breaks a world record, that's not proof of anything. It asks a question or
E*2
89 楼
真心觉得大家都做了自己该做的事情。我在想,要不我也写两句过去,再发动一下周围
的国人。主编大人的邮箱会不会崩溃啊?
的国人。主编大人的邮箱会不会崩溃啊?
l*s
91 楼
真是咬紧牙关不认错。另外,编辑说没有故意删回帖。以下是给我的答复. 应该要求他
们登一篇rebuttal.
We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win “
has been tinged with racial and political undertones”. The last paragraph
quotes an expert saying “When we look at this young swimmer from China who
breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a question or
two.”
The article is a fair-minded look at a controversy that we did not initiate.
It asks whether new developments in performance monitoring could dispel the
unfortunate suspicions that, these days, the most extraordinary athletic
performance raise, whatever the nationality of the athlete.
Our commenting system has been overwhelmed by the responses, but we have not
been deliberately deleting comments except for those that violate our
community guidelines.
我的email:
Dear Dr. Adam,
I was extremely shocked to read the commentary by Ewen Callaway, “Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions”, in which a Chinese swimmer was targeted
for suspicious drug use. It is even more troubling to see that some comments
by the readers were deleted simply because the readers listed hard evidence
against Callaway’s view. I strongly believe that Nature should clarify on
this situation and let the readers know whether Callaway’s point of view
represents that of the editorial board. As both a long time reader of Nature
and a Chinese national, I was really offended by Callaway’s highly biased
and unfair comments. I sincerely hope the editorial board can address this
issue in a timely matter.
们登一篇rebuttal.
We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win “
has been tinged with racial and political undertones”. The last paragraph
quotes an expert saying “When we look at this young swimmer from China who
breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a question or
two.”
The article is a fair-minded look at a controversy that we did not initiate.
It asks whether new developments in performance monitoring could dispel the
unfortunate suspicions that, these days, the most extraordinary athletic
performance raise, whatever the nationality of the athlete.
Our commenting system has been overwhelmed by the responses, but we have not
been deliberately deleting comments except for those that violate our
community guidelines.
我的email:
Dear Dr. Adam,
I was extremely shocked to read the commentary by Ewen Callaway, “Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions”, in which a Chinese swimmer was targeted
for suspicious drug use. It is even more troubling to see that some comments
by the readers were deleted simply because the readers listed hard evidence
against Callaway’s view. I strongly believe that Nature should clarify on
this situation and let the readers know whether Callaway’s point of view
represents that of the editorial board. As both a long time reader of Nature
and a Chinese national, I was really offended by Callaway’s highly biased
and unfair comments. I sincerely hope the editorial board can address this
issue in a timely matter.
t*8
92 楼
看到这篇太晚了,现在加入签名还来得及么?如果真的是公正的,他们也应该登
rebuttale。
rebuttale。
n*k
93 楼
昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
牌什么的都是洗脑的结果,当然这与本次事件无关。
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: 你当然年轻喽
: btw
: 通知下
: 同济的N 院士 G 今晚翻墙出来下 哈
葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
牌什么的都是洗脑的结果,当然这与本次事件无关。
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: 你当然年轻喽
: btw
: 通知下
: 同济的N 院士 G 今晚翻墙出来下 哈
w*r
94 楼
"我也知道他们的言外之意,但是文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀"
是的,我看完之后也是觉得写得手法挺高明。暧昧的地方基本都是不加评论的转述和引
用"专业人士"评论...
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
是的,我看完之后也是觉得写得手法挺高明。暧昧的地方基本都是不加评论的转述和引
用"专业人士"评论...
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
i*e
95 楼
是的,也许我们的反馈不能把it怎么样
但是我们还是需要发出我们不满的声音
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
但是我们还是需要发出我们不满的声音
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
a*c
96 楼
话柄无所谓。德州的共和党在公开文件里写"We don't want our students to develop
critical thinking." 这个叫话柄不?So what? 共和党就被人民抛弃了?有时候不在
说什么,在于说出来这个动作。而有组织的说出来和个别人的发言又有本质的区别。
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
critical thinking." 这个叫话柄不?So what? 共和党就被人民抛弃了?有时候不在
说什么,在于说出来这个动作。而有组织的说出来和个别人的发言又有本质的区别。
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
w*a
97 楼
There was no a controversy. So called controversy is made up by the western
journalists.
by
never
who
or
【在 l***s 的大作中提到】
: 真是咬紧牙关不认错。另外,编辑说没有故意删回帖。以下是给我的答复. 应该要求他
: 们登一篇rebuttal.
: We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
: the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
: intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
: the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
: had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win “
: has been tinged with racial and political undertones”. The last paragraph
: quotes an expert saying “When we look at this young swimmer from China who
: breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a question or
journalists.
by
never
who
or
【在 l***s 的大作中提到】
: 真是咬紧牙关不认错。另外,编辑说没有故意删回帖。以下是给我的答复. 应该要求他
: 们登一篇rebuttal.
: We are sorry that our news article has offended so many readers. We stand by
: the piece and reject suggestions that it was motivated by bias; our
: intention was to investigate the science behind a controversy arising from
: the current Olympic Games. The first paragraph emphasizes that Ye has never
: had a positive drug test and notes that much of the discussion of her win “
: has been tinged with racial and political undertones”. The last paragraph
: quotes an expert saying “When we look at this young swimmer from China who
: breaks a world record, that’s not proof of anything. It asks a question or
D*a
98 楼
带着面具的,打着科学的幌子的,“被媒体曲解的”哈佛大学校长还不是下台了。
我觉得他们写得够露骨的了,这还不叫歧视。
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
我觉得他们写得够露骨的了,这还不叫歧视。
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
n*k
99 楼
不是争论,部分同意你的看法;但是,黑人兄弟很勇猛吧,以黑人为例,我想公开上没
人敢歧视黑人象歧视亚裔尤其是中国人这样,但是骨子里,白人对黑人的歧视比亚裔更
过;题外话,顺便说一点,我们有些同胞骨子里的歧视也很深重,尤其是不少很“民族
主义"的,对黑人,对印度和其他族裔,对农村人,河南人等,改行的对学生物的等,坦
率而言,这种人都是很可怜的,骨子里是很轻贱的,所以我可能比较阿Q一点,遇到这
种没有素质的大部分时候是一笑而过,偶尔发飙,比如不久前赤膊同一个本版的自以为
很NB的NC交战,想想是自己还是不成熟,可笑的紧,怎么就没有忍住同那样素质的人一
般见识,实力和事实在国际政治就是一切,只有实力和利益,其他都是胡扯,认清这一
点,也许会释然一点。
develop
【在 a****c 的大作中提到】
: 话柄无所谓。德州的共和党在公开文件里写"We don't want our students to develop
: critical thinking." 这个叫话柄不?So what? 共和党就被人民抛弃了?有时候不在
: 说什么,在于说出来这个动作。而有组织的说出来和个别人的发言又有本质的区别。
人敢歧视黑人象歧视亚裔尤其是中国人这样,但是骨子里,白人对黑人的歧视比亚裔更
过;题外话,顺便说一点,我们有些同胞骨子里的歧视也很深重,尤其是不少很“民族
主义"的,对黑人,对印度和其他族裔,对农村人,河南人等,改行的对学生物的等,坦
率而言,这种人都是很可怜的,骨子里是很轻贱的,所以我可能比较阿Q一点,遇到这
种没有素质的大部分时候是一笑而过,偶尔发飙,比如不久前赤膊同一个本版的自以为
很NB的NC交战,想想是自己还是不成熟,可笑的紧,怎么就没有忍住同那样素质的人一
般见识,实力和事实在国际政治就是一切,只有实力和利益,其他都是胡扯,认清这一
点,也许会释然一点。
develop
【在 a****c 的大作中提到】
: 话柄无所谓。德州的共和党在公开文件里写"We don't want our students to develop
: critical thinking." 这个叫话柄不?So what? 共和党就被人民抛弃了?有时候不在
: 说什么,在于说出来这个动作。而有组织的说出来和个别人的发言又有本质的区别。
n*k
100 楼
你把我们想想的太强大了!要面对现实,我们有任何可能一击溃敌么?这个不是在BBS
上骂战,需要冷静的头脑和韬光养晦的策略,如果把事情炒成更大的新闻,而不能占据
上风,你觉得这一棋是输还是赢?我们目前的做法,NATURE最简单的做法可以不理不睬
,前面不是发了一个STAND BY their point 的申明吗?个人以为,闹到目前已经可以
了,大家目的也许达到了, SB编辑下次也许会考虑一下;但是目前我还没有看到可以
让我们有任何站上风的可能和倡议;这种是我们输的最少的方式也许是无视,让他自生
自灭,那么注意到的人会最少,有时候没有NEWS才是最佳。要么,那就实力说话,搞死
NATURE! 所有华人抵制,或TG明令抵制,可能吗?回到去年一篇NATURE关于EPHE
RIN的文章,那么赤裸裸的造假,NATURE愣是允许一个修正,不是欺侮大家的
智商吗?
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 带着面具的,打着科学的幌子的,“被媒体曲解的”哈佛大学校长还不是下台了。
: 我觉得他们写得够露骨的了,这还不叫歧视。
上骂战,需要冷静的头脑和韬光养晦的策略,如果把事情炒成更大的新闻,而不能占据
上风,你觉得这一棋是输还是赢?我们目前的做法,NATURE最简单的做法可以不理不睬
,前面不是发了一个STAND BY their point 的申明吗?个人以为,闹到目前已经可以
了,大家目的也许达到了, SB编辑下次也许会考虑一下;但是目前我还没有看到可以
让我们有任何站上风的可能和倡议;这种是我们输的最少的方式也许是无视,让他自生
自灭,那么注意到的人会最少,有时候没有NEWS才是最佳。要么,那就实力说话,搞死
NATURE! 所有华人抵制,或TG明令抵制,可能吗?回到去年一篇NATURE关于EPHE
RIN的文章,那么赤裸裸的造假,NATURE愣是允许一个修正,不是欺侮大家的
智商吗?
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 带着面具的,打着科学的幌子的,“被媒体曲解的”哈佛大学校长还不是下台了。
: 我觉得他们写得够露骨的了,这还不叫歧视。
l*1
101 楼
>实力和事实在国际政治就是一切,只有实力和利益,其他都是胡扯
this aspect
O8 his brain is more clear than Mitt Romney
how Fed and Pentagon can defeat Bei-Jing, Moskova and Berlin those tri-
angle union from economic plus millitory press?
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 不是争论,部分同意你的看法;但是,黑人兄弟很勇猛吧,以黑人为例,我想公开上没
: 人敢歧视黑人象歧视亚裔尤其是中国人这样,但是骨子里,白人对黑人的歧视比亚裔更
: 过;题外话,顺便说一点,我们有些同胞骨子里的歧视也很深重,尤其是不少很“民族
: 主义"的,对黑人,对印度和其他族裔,对农村人,河南人等,改行的对学生物的等,坦
: 率而言,这种人都是很可怜的,骨子里是很轻贱的,所以我可能比较阿Q一点,遇到这
: 种没有素质的大部分时候是一笑而过,偶尔发飙,比如不久前赤膊同一个本版的自以为
: 很NB的NC交战,想想是自己还是不成熟,可笑的紧,怎么就没有忍住同那样素质的人一
: 般见识,实力和事实在国际政治就是一切,只有实力和利益,其他都是胡扯,认清这一
: 点,也许会释然一点。
:
this aspect
O8 his brain is more clear than Mitt Romney
how Fed and Pentagon can defeat Bei-Jing, Moskova and Berlin those tri-
angle union from economic plus millitory press?
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 不是争论,部分同意你的看法;但是,黑人兄弟很勇猛吧,以黑人为例,我想公开上没
: 人敢歧视黑人象歧视亚裔尤其是中国人这样,但是骨子里,白人对黑人的歧视比亚裔更
: 过;题外话,顺便说一点,我们有些同胞骨子里的歧视也很深重,尤其是不少很“民族
: 主义"的,对黑人,对印度和其他族裔,对农村人,河南人等,改行的对学生物的等,坦
: 率而言,这种人都是很可怜的,骨子里是很轻贱的,所以我可能比较阿Q一点,遇到这
: 种没有素质的大部分时候是一笑而过,偶尔发飙,比如不久前赤膊同一个本版的自以为
: 很NB的NC交战,想想是自己还是不成熟,可笑的紧,怎么就没有忍住同那样素质的人一
: 般见识,实力和事实在国际政治就是一切,只有实力和利益,其他都是胡扯,认清这一
: 点,也许会释然一点。
:
c*r
102 楼
建议哈。
这个抗议信要写,而且直接发给editor-in-chief的公开信。
你说的这个也要写一篇,有数据,有分析的,直接去science投稿
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
这个抗议信要写,而且直接发给editor-in-chief的公开信。
你说的这个也要写一篇,有数据,有分析的,直接去science投稿
【在 b*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得凹版那个人提议的给NATURE写REBUTTAL文章的主意非常好,比贴愤怒激动的
: COMMENTS又用多了。
: 我是体育盲,更是游泳盲,但是可以写文章,弄FIGURE。谁能告诉我,怎么查和引用这
: 些历史记录?
: 看下文:
: 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
: 发信人: zfwang (爱国老将), 信区: Olympics
: 标 题: Re: 谁有nature 主编执行主编邮箱?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 13:37:45 2012, 美东)
: 兄弟,你这么搞没用。人家直接就扔到spam 里了。
n*k
103 楼
说一点,最好这个别只专注与反对对中国人的歧视,而是反歧视或有罪推定的逻辑,把
他们得说法广泛话,比如说有人怀疑过MICHAEL PHLP等等,包括以前对于
飞人等等,以”科学“的方式回应他们”科学“的歧视,头一个评论什么的;不用赤膊
,但是明眼人自知了,就怕他们不发,那就投SCIENCE什么的。。。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
他们得说法广泛话,比如说有人怀疑过MICHAEL PHLP等等,包括以前对于
飞人等等,以”科学“的方式回应他们”科学“的歧视,头一个评论什么的;不用赤膊
,但是明眼人自知了,就怕他们不发,那就投SCIENCE什么的。。。
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
y*8
104 楼
How about publish a paper on PlosOne as rebuttal for the NATURE news.
We can donate the money for publication fee.
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
We can donate the money for publication fee.
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
l*1
105 楼
noah gray: 茅坑里的石头
这回公报前仇
link:
//www.nature.com/nature/journal/v472/n7343/pdf/nature09874.pdf
发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Biology
标 题: 谁能找出来去年nature上土耳其学生造假最后轻易过关的帖子?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 18:17:52 2012, 美东)
editor就是noah gray
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Biology/31708259.html
BBS
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 你把我们想想的太强大了!要面对现实,我们有任何可能一击溃敌么?这个不是在BBS
: 上骂战,需要冷静的头脑和韬光养晦的策略,如果把事情炒成更大的新闻,而不能占据
: 上风,你觉得这一棋是输还是赢?我们目前的做法,NATURE最简单的做法可以不理不睬
: ,前面不是发了一个STAND BY their point 的申明吗?个人以为,闹到目前已经可以
: 了,大家目的也许达到了, SB编辑下次也许会考虑一下;但是目前我还没有看到可以
: 让我们有任何站上风的可能和倡议;这种是我们输的最少的方式也许是无视,让他自生
: 自灭,那么注意到的人会最少,有时候没有NEWS才是最佳。要么,那就实力说话,搞死
: NATURE! 所有华人抵制,或TG明令抵制,可能吗?回到去年一篇NATURE关于EPHE
: RIN的文章,那么赤裸裸的造假,NATURE愣是允许一个修正,不是欺侮大家的
: 智商吗?
这回公报前仇
link:
//www.nature.com/nature/journal/v472/n7343/pdf/nature09874.pdf
发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Biology
标 题: 谁能找出来去年nature上土耳其学生造假最后轻易过关的帖子?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 18:17:52 2012, 美东)
editor就是noah gray
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Biology/31708259.html
BBS
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 你把我们想想的太强大了!要面对现实,我们有任何可能一击溃敌么?这个不是在BBS
: 上骂战,需要冷静的头脑和韬光养晦的策略,如果把事情炒成更大的新闻,而不能占据
: 上风,你觉得这一棋是输还是赢?我们目前的做法,NATURE最简单的做法可以不理不睬
: ,前面不是发了一个STAND BY their point 的申明吗?个人以为,闹到目前已经可以
: 了,大家目的也许达到了, SB编辑下次也许会考虑一下;但是目前我还没有看到可以
: 让我们有任何站上风的可能和倡议;这种是我们输的最少的方式也许是无视,让他自生
: 自灭,那么注意到的人会最少,有时候没有NEWS才是最佳。要么,那就实力说话,搞死
: NATURE! 所有华人抵制,或TG明令抵制,可能吗?回到去年一篇NATURE关于EPHE
: RIN的文章,那么赤裸裸的造假,NATURE愣是允许一个修正,不是欺侮大家的
: 智商吗?
l*1
106 楼
对头 英帝 要是2032Y Mumbai Indian Summer Olympic 看到三哥抢了其 自行车金
牌的话 一样 Nature News next week
from Inida was its colony ,所以三哥人当然是自行车体育低能儿,
所花时间在英国人以下,便不是自己的能力了:也无怪他们疑惑。
pls refer:
发信人: skyraul (insulator), 信区: Military
标 题: 鲁迅---藤野先生
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 01:43:54 2012, 美东)
藤野先生
鲁迅
学年试验完毕之后,我便到东京玩了一夏天,秋初再回学校,成绩早已发表了,同
学一百余人之中,我在中间,不过是没有落第。这回藤野先生所担任的功课,是解剖实
习和局部解剖学。
解剖实习了大概一星期,他又叫我去了,很高兴地,仍用了极有抑扬的声调对我说
道:
“我因为听说中国人是很敬重鬼的,所以很担心,怕你不肯解剖尸体。现在总算放
心了,没有这回事。”
但他也偶有使我很为难的时候。他听说中国的女人是裹脚的,但不知道详细,所以
要问我怎么裹法,足骨变成怎样的畸形,还叹息道,“总要看一看才知道。究竟是怎么
一回事呢?”
有一天,本级的学生会干事到我寓里来了,要借我的讲义看。我检出来交给他们,
却只翻检了一通,并没有带走。但他们一走,邮差就送到一封很厚的信,拆开看时,第
一句是:
“你改悔罢!”
这是《新约》上的句子罢,但经托尔斯泰新近引用过的。其时正值日俄战争,托老
先生便写了一封给俄国和日本的皇帝的信,开首便是这一句。日本报纸上很斥责他的不
逊,爱国青年也愤然,然而暗地里却早受了他的影响了。其次的话,大略是说上年解剖
学试验的题目,是藤野先生在讲义上做了记号,我预先知道的,所以能有这样的成绩。
末尾是匿名。
我这才回忆到前几天的一件事。因为要开同级会,干事便在黑板上写广告,末一句
是“请全数到会勿漏为要”,而且在“漏”字旁边加了一个圈。我当时虽然觉到圈得可
笑,但是毫不介意,这回才悟出那字也在讥刺我了,犹言我得了教员漏泄出来的题目。
我便将这事告知了藤野先生;有几个和我熟识的同学也很不平,一同去诘责干事托
辞检查的无礼,并且要求他们将检查的结果,发表出来。终于这流言消灭了,干事却又
竭力运动,要收回那一封匿名信去。结末是我便将这托尔斯泰式的信退还了他们。
中国是弱国,所以中国人当然是低能儿,分数在60分以上,便不是自己的能力了:
也无怪他们疑惑。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/38138915.html
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 说一点,最好这个别只专注与反对对中国人的歧视,而是反歧视或有罪推定的逻辑,把
: 他们得说法广泛话,比如说有人怀疑过MICHAEL PHLP等等,包括以前对于
: 飞人等等,以”科学“的方式回应他们”科学“的歧视,头一个评论什么的;不用赤膊
: ,但是明眼人自知了,就怕他们不发,那就投SCIENCE什么的。。。
:
: not
牌的话 一样 Nature News next week
from Inida was its colony ,所以三哥人当然是自行车体育低能儿,
所花时间在英国人以下,便不是自己的能力了:也无怪他们疑惑。
pls refer:
发信人: skyraul (insulator), 信区: Military
标 题: 鲁迅---藤野先生
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 01:43:54 2012, 美东)
藤野先生
鲁迅
学年试验完毕之后,我便到东京玩了一夏天,秋初再回学校,成绩早已发表了,同
学一百余人之中,我在中间,不过是没有落第。这回藤野先生所担任的功课,是解剖实
习和局部解剖学。
解剖实习了大概一星期,他又叫我去了,很高兴地,仍用了极有抑扬的声调对我说
道:
“我因为听说中国人是很敬重鬼的,所以很担心,怕你不肯解剖尸体。现在总算放
心了,没有这回事。”
但他也偶有使我很为难的时候。他听说中国的女人是裹脚的,但不知道详细,所以
要问我怎么裹法,足骨变成怎样的畸形,还叹息道,“总要看一看才知道。究竟是怎么
一回事呢?”
有一天,本级的学生会干事到我寓里来了,要借我的讲义看。我检出来交给他们,
却只翻检了一通,并没有带走。但他们一走,邮差就送到一封很厚的信,拆开看时,第
一句是:
“你改悔罢!”
这是《新约》上的句子罢,但经托尔斯泰新近引用过的。其时正值日俄战争,托老
先生便写了一封给俄国和日本的皇帝的信,开首便是这一句。日本报纸上很斥责他的不
逊,爱国青年也愤然,然而暗地里却早受了他的影响了。其次的话,大略是说上年解剖
学试验的题目,是藤野先生在讲义上做了记号,我预先知道的,所以能有这样的成绩。
末尾是匿名。
我这才回忆到前几天的一件事。因为要开同级会,干事便在黑板上写广告,末一句
是“请全数到会勿漏为要”,而且在“漏”字旁边加了一个圈。我当时虽然觉到圈得可
笑,但是毫不介意,这回才悟出那字也在讥刺我了,犹言我得了教员漏泄出来的题目。
我便将这事告知了藤野先生;有几个和我熟识的同学也很不平,一同去诘责干事托
辞检查的无礼,并且要求他们将检查的结果,发表出来。终于这流言消灭了,干事却又
竭力运动,要收回那一封匿名信去。结末是我便将这托尔斯泰式的信退还了他们。
中国是弱国,所以中国人当然是低能儿,分数在60分以上,便不是自己的能力了:
也无怪他们疑惑。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/38138915.html
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 说一点,最好这个别只专注与反对对中国人的歧视,而是反歧视或有罪推定的逻辑,把
: 他们得说法广泛话,比如说有人怀疑过MICHAEL PHLP等等,包括以前对于
: 飞人等等,以”科学“的方式回应他们”科学“的歧视,头一个评论什么的;不用赤膊
: ,但是明眼人自知了,就怕他们不发,那就投SCIENCE什么的。。。
:
: not
a*k
107 楼
发信给在nature上做广告以及和nature有利益关系的公司怎么样?比如最近的readcube
之类的。咱们说话被忽视,但要是那些公司因为客户不再买和用他们的产品而对nature
施压,会不会有帮助?
BBS
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 你把我们想想的太强大了!要面对现实,我们有任何可能一击溃敌么?这个不是在BBS
: 上骂战,需要冷静的头脑和韬光养晦的策略,如果把事情炒成更大的新闻,而不能占据
: 上风,你觉得这一棋是输还是赢?我们目前的做法,NATURE最简单的做法可以不理不睬
: ,前面不是发了一个STAND BY their point 的申明吗?个人以为,闹到目前已经可以
: 了,大家目的也许达到了, SB编辑下次也许会考虑一下;但是目前我还没有看到可以
: 让我们有任何站上风的可能和倡议;这种是我们输的最少的方式也许是无视,让他自生
: 自灭,那么注意到的人会最少,有时候没有NEWS才是最佳。要么,那就实力说话,搞死
: NATURE! 所有华人抵制,或TG明令抵制,可能吗?回到去年一篇NATURE关于EPHE
: RIN的文章,那么赤裸裸的造假,NATURE愣是允许一个修正,不是欺侮大家的
: 智商吗?
之类的。咱们说话被忽视,但要是那些公司因为客户不再买和用他们的产品而对nature
施压,会不会有帮助?
BBS
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 你把我们想想的太强大了!要面对现实,我们有任何可能一击溃敌么?这个不是在BBS
: 上骂战,需要冷静的头脑和韬光养晦的策略,如果把事情炒成更大的新闻,而不能占据
: 上风,你觉得这一棋是输还是赢?我们目前的做法,NATURE最简单的做法可以不理不睬
: ,前面不是发了一个STAND BY their point 的申明吗?个人以为,闹到目前已经可以
: 了,大家目的也许达到了, SB编辑下次也许会考虑一下;但是目前我还没有看到可以
: 让我们有任何站上风的可能和倡议;这种是我们输的最少的方式也许是无视,让他自生
: 自灭,那么注意到的人会最少,有时候没有NEWS才是最佳。要么,那就实力说话,搞死
: NATURE! 所有华人抵制,或TG明令抵制,可能吗?回到去年一篇NATURE关于EPHE
: RIN的文章,那么赤裸裸的造假,NATURE愣是允许一个修正,不是欺侮大家的
: 智商吗?
n*k
113 楼
我不会阻止你去FIGHT,可以考虑一下我前面的一个关于你信得写法和内容的建议
,我也可以签名; 但是,照目前的趋势,我觉得事不可为,我觉得你在另一帖子里的
三点都达不到,二有一点可能吧;而且我根本不希望这件事会拿到更大的平台上讨论这
种想法,
对了,这厮在TWITTER里好像有更猖狂的言辞,不确定是转的还是他的话,我觉
得有可能搞死他,而且可以考虑要不要对准NATURE而是对这斯呢?
Noah Gray
@noahWG 19时 [2/2] "...It gives me another proof that this country
is indeed going down." NatureNewsYeGate
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不同意的说 我不赞成在我们自己的形象和利益受到直接损害的时候偷懒,去求
: 助精英。毕竟Nature的文章其实是在挑战所有优秀的中国人的真实性(文章的最后一句
: 话值得反复去看)
,我也可以签名; 但是,照目前的趋势,我觉得事不可为,我觉得你在另一帖子里的
三点都达不到,二有一点可能吧;而且我根本不希望这件事会拿到更大的平台上讨论这
种想法,
对了,这厮在TWITTER里好像有更猖狂的言辞,不确定是转的还是他的话,我觉
得有可能搞死他,而且可以考虑要不要对准NATURE而是对这斯呢?
Noah Gray
@noahWG 19时 [2/2] "...It gives me another proof that this country
is indeed going down." NatureNewsYeGate
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不同意的说 我不赞成在我们自己的形象和利益受到直接损害的时候偷懒,去求
: 助精英。毕竟Nature的文章其实是在挑战所有优秀的中国人的真实性(文章的最后一句
: 话值得反复去看)
p*n
114 楼
I'd like to join. Let me know how to do it.
r*e
115 楼
成不成,是结果的好坏
做不做,是态度问题
我在起草给NPG头头的信,有没有用?不知道,但我努力去做。
做不做,是态度问题
我在起草给NPG头头的信,有没有用?不知道,但我努力去做。
x*h
116 楼
支持小p,不过小p你可以把你的论文以此理由撤了哈,绝对轰动效应,:-)。就看不惯
你们这边龟孙子,我好好的文章发了几年也不要了,哈哈。
你们这边龟孙子,我好好的文章发了几年也不要了,哈哈。
y*u
117 楼
现在站内还能work吗?
y*u
118 楼
已经发信给p了
A*4
120 楼
ding
s*a
121 楼
这个帖子有没有转到隔壁化学版什么的?
m*s
122 楼
看CAPA愿不愿意出面。
http://capa-chem.webs.com/
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
http://capa-chem.webs.com/
not
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改?另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
: 我尽快发出去
: 真是气死我了,我里面也说了,他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志,我
: 个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
: 1000个呢?xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了!看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
: look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
: proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧,中国人你做绵羊做
: 顺民我们不管,你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题!
: Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
: I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
p*n
123 楼
why didn't it question Franklin?
This reminds me of
"When you cannot beat him/her, smear him/her"
This reminds me of
"When you cannot beat him/her, smear him/her"
l*1
124 楼
预先打了伏笔了哈 Wo Kao Nature News
Performance enhancement: Superhuman athletes
Enhancements such as doping are illegal in sport — but if all restrictions
were lifted, science could push human performance to new extremes.
Helen Thompson
18 July 2012
Code breaking
Gene doping — enhancing performance by adding or modifying genes — has
been the subject of locker-room gossip for the past ten years. There are
plenty of natural mutations for which to wish. The Finnish cross-country
skier Eero Mäntyranta, who won three gold medals in the early 1960s,
had a mutation that made his body’s EPO receptors more efficient. In 2004,
a toddler made headlines for having a mutation that disabled myostatin,
giving him the physique of a petite body builder. And the gene that encodes
angotensin-converting enzyme, which has been hailed as the gene for physical
performance, has one variation known to boost endurance by increasing
oxygen delivery capacity and capillary density, and another that is
associated with muscle growth and strength6, 7.
GARY NEILL
Advances in gene therapy could one day make it possible for any athlete to
enhance their DNA. For example, in experiments aimed at treating muscular
dystrophy in the elderly, a group led by physiologist Lee Sweeney of the
University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia introduced a gene to cause over-
expression of IGF1 in mice. The treatment boosted muscle strength of young
adult mice by 14%, earning the rodents the nickname ‘mighty mice’8.
Other researchers are turning genes on and off with drugs. In 2008, Ronald
Evans and his colleagues at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La
Jolla, California, worked with GW1516, a drug that activates a gene that
increases the ratio of ‘slow-twitch’ to ‘fast-twitch’ fibres in muscle.
As the names suggest, slow-twitch fibres contract more slowly than fast-
twitch, but they are more efficient at aerobic activity. Evans and his team
found9 that in mice, GW1516 combined with exercise increased the rodents’
endurance by 70%.
However, both Evans and Sweeney are sceptical about how useful athletes will
find such therapies. “In humans, I expect the same general relationship —
the under-exercised will be the ones who will have the most benefit from
exercise mimetics,” says Evans. “My view is that endurance athletes are
physically advantaged and will have the least benefits.”
Gene therapy has its share of health risks, including potentially severe
immune reactions to the viruses used to ferry genetic material into cells.
The results may also be hard to control. “If you’re going to turn a gene
for something like EPO on, you better be able to turn it off,” warns Catlin
. Gene doping, he says, “is not a good idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised
if someone’s out there trying it”.
//www.nature.com/news/performance-enhancement-superhuman-athletes-1.11029
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
Performance enhancement: Superhuman athletes
Enhancements such as doping are illegal in sport — but if all restrictions
were lifted, science could push human performance to new extremes.
Helen Thompson
18 July 2012
Code breaking
Gene doping — enhancing performance by adding or modifying genes — has
been the subject of locker-room gossip for the past ten years. There are
plenty of natural mutations for which to wish. The Finnish cross-country
skier Eero Mäntyranta, who won three gold medals in the early 1960s,
had a mutation that made his body’s EPO receptors more efficient. In 2004,
a toddler made headlines for having a mutation that disabled myostatin,
giving him the physique of a petite body builder. And the gene that encodes
angotensin-converting enzyme, which has been hailed as the gene for physical
performance, has one variation known to boost endurance by increasing
oxygen delivery capacity and capillary density, and another that is
associated with muscle growth and strength6, 7.
GARY NEILL
Advances in gene therapy could one day make it possible for any athlete to
enhance their DNA. For example, in experiments aimed at treating muscular
dystrophy in the elderly, a group led by physiologist Lee Sweeney of the
University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia introduced a gene to cause over-
expression of IGF1 in mice. The treatment boosted muscle strength of young
adult mice by 14%, earning the rodents the nickname ‘mighty mice’8.
Other researchers are turning genes on and off with drugs. In 2008, Ronald
Evans and his colleagues at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La
Jolla, California, worked with GW1516, a drug that activates a gene that
increases the ratio of ‘slow-twitch’ to ‘fast-twitch’ fibres in muscle.
As the names suggest, slow-twitch fibres contract more slowly than fast-
twitch, but they are more efficient at aerobic activity. Evans and his team
found9 that in mice, GW1516 combined with exercise increased the rodents’
endurance by 70%.
However, both Evans and Sweeney are sceptical about how useful athletes will
find such therapies. “In humans, I expect the same general relationship —
the under-exercised will be the ones who will have the most benefit from
exercise mimetics,” says Evans. “My view is that endurance athletes are
physically advantaged and will have the least benefits.”
Gene therapy has its share of health risks, including potentially severe
immune reactions to the viruses used to ferry genetic material into cells.
The results may also be hard to control. “If you’re going to turn a gene
for something like EPO on, you better be able to turn it off,” warns Catlin
. Gene doping, he says, “is not a good idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised
if someone’s out there trying it”.
//www.nature.com/news/performance-enhancement-superhuman-athletes-1.11029
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: 昨天就看见了,不是不支持;只是有所保留,原因呢,小P文章写的是真好,这个我的
: 葱白一下;但是打蛇打七寸,人家没漏七寸呢,又占据媒体至高点,所以目前我还没有
: 看到任何有效的斗争方式出现;要么忍,要么斗,如果斗就要有把握;目前不看好;不
: 少人应该记得6-8年前得MIT的日本映画事件,当时是一个多大的事件,网上轰动,大家
: 采用各种策略,非常混乱,造成很坏的话柄,中间我和在纽约和波士顿的哥们(也是网
: 上认识的),私下想联系组织一批人,很理性的反击和组织游行和画展宣传,讲叙我们
: 这角度的历史;结果呢,应者寥寥,无疾而终!这次小P的做法还是很赞的,但是我不
: 看好!分量不够,而且别人没有直接的辫子给你抓呀,我也知道他们的言外之意,但是
: 文字上没有呀,而是带着面具呀,打着科学的幌子呢;除非我们想黑兄弟那么勇猛,否
: 则是百搭!另外,我对这些奥运呀什么的从来不感冒,从来不是很赞成我们得搞法,金
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