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w*a2010-07-19 07:07

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如题。一个idea，想提交R21，因为毕竟钱稍微多点，当然相比R03难度也更大。所以不
知道可不可以同时提交R03和R21？问题是如果idea类似的话，可能proposal会落到同一
个PM手里。这样的话，是不是会造成不好的影响？
另外，可不可以这样：先提交R21，如果被拒但是Review comments还不错的话，可不可
以跟PM磨一磨，转成R03来支持？
有经验的说说！多谢！

a*a2010-07-19 07:07

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谈妥价钱了，据说还有：
inspector, lawyer, mortgage, moving
a minivan for single house
一步步来吧

H*N2010-07-19 07:07

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可以同时递R01, R21 和 R01, 如果都中了，哪个钱多选哪个，也可以和PM磨一磨，看
看能不能三个都给。

T*T2010-07-19 07:07

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不可能

【在 H****N 的大作中提到】

: 可以同时递R01, R21 和 R01, 如果都中了，哪个钱多选哪个，也可以和PM磨一磨，看
: 看能不能三个都给。

x*52010-07-19 07:07

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不可能是指不可能都中
还是不可能都投啊？
谢谢

【在 T*T 的大作中提到】

: 不可能

s*y2010-07-19 07:07

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可以都投，不可能都中。

【在 x*******5 的大作中提到】

: 不可能是指不可能都中
: 还是不可能都投啊？
: 谢谢

A*y2010-07-19 07:07

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But I think you need to watch not to go through the same study section.

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 可以都投，不可能都中。

w*a2010-07-19 07:07

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胖老师是说可以同时投R03和R21？

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 可以都投，不可能都中。

r*92010-07-19 07:07

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不行的高度重叠的两个grants不可同时被REVIEW
在第一个grant的summary statement出来之前是不能再送第二个类似的
除非你有办法把他们两个写得很不一样这是我的理解错了请指正
很难说完全看你的program official 我会建议不要冒险
不可能两种grants的mechanism不同 program announcement也不同
program official才没空跟你瞎忙还等你改budget 然后把钱送上
这只有可能发生在R01上 R01没中但是分数很好 PO可能给你个R56
但是这都是发生在very senior的investigator
R03/R21不会发生的

【在 w********a 的大作中提到】

: 如题。一个idea，想提交R21，因为毕竟钱稍微多点，当然相比R03难度也更大。所以不
: 知道可不可以同时提交R03和R21？问题是如果idea类似的话，可能proposal会落到同一
: 个PM手里。这样的话，是不是会造成不好的影响？
: 另外，可不可以这样：先提交R21，如果被拒但是Review comments还不错的话，可不可
: 以跟PM磨一磨，转成R03来支持？
: 有经验的说说！多谢！

c*d2010-07-19 07:07

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听说可以都投，但是不知道如何控制不去同一个study section？是发现去了同一个可
以当时那一轮就要求换study section吗？

【在 A******y 的大作中提到】

: But I think you need to watch not to go through the same study section.

H*N2010-07-19 07:07

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Let's just be clear and stop misleading. I was just being cynical; too bad
nobody realized that. Don't invite trouble for yourself.
Here is a quote from an NIH page: "..., you may not submit the same, or
essentially the same, project to more than one program. NIH policy does not
allow multiple submissions of the same, or essentially the same, project."
This is the URL of the page: https://commonfund.nih.gov/newinnovator/faq

w*e2010-07-19 07:07

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可以提交但是不可能都审吧
Reference: http://www.niaid.nih.gov/researchfunding/qa/pages/applyboth.aspx#pend
May I use the same application for more than one funding opportunity
announcement?
Yes, you may use the same application as often as you want for as many
funding opportunity announcements as you qualify for—unless your multiple
applications go to peer review at the same time.
NIH will not accept your application if it overlaps with any other
application under review at the time you submit, even if you're using
different funding opportunity announcements (e.g., applying for an
investigator-initiated R01 at the same time as you respond to a request for
applications). In that case, you will have to withdraw one of your
applications.
Can I submit the same application to another organization as well as to NIH?
Yes, as long as the organization is not a Public Health Service agency. NIH
allows you to send the same application you submitted or are planning to
submit to NIH elsewhere, e.g., a private foundation or a non-PHS agency,
such as the Department of Defense.
Even if your application is pending award, you must list it in the other
support information you send us before funding. Keep in mind that the other
organization may have a similar requirement. You may accept only one of the
awards.
May I submit two applications for the same receipt date for the same funding
opportunity announcement?
Yes, unless the funding opportunity announcement (FOA) says otherwise. To be
sure, check the "Number of Applications" section of the FOA.

H*N2010-07-19 07:07

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It says "not at the same time", that is the key.
"NIH will not accept your application if it overlaps with any other
application under review at the time you submit, even if you're using
different funding opportunity announcements (e.g., applying for an
investigator-initiated R01 at the same time as you respond to a request for
applications). In that case, you will have to withdraw one of your
applications."
If it is reviewed and not funded, you are free to submit it to one of the
other mechanisms.