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g*k2004-01-27 08:01

1 楼

巧珍猛地停住脚步，扬起头看着加林说：“加林哥，你如果不嫌我，咱们两个一搭里过
！你在家里呆着，我给咱上山劳动！不会叫你受苦的……”
记事起看的第一部电影。
http://www.yifan.net/yihe/novels/renshengm.html

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

2 楼

Direct, simple, rugged, even somewhat masochistic. :-)

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: 巧珍猛地停住脚步，扬起头看着加林说：“加林哥，你如果不嫌我，咱们两个一搭里过
: ！你在家里呆着，我给咱上山劳动！不会叫你受苦的……”
: 记事起看的第一部电影。
: http://www.yifan.net/yihe/novels/renshengm.html

b*y2004-01-27 08:01

3 楼

Agree. It is sad that this kind of work is preserved as Chinese literature.

过

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Direct, simple, rugged, even somewhat masochistic. :-)

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

4 楼

masochistic
1 : a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain
or humiliation especially by a love object -- compare SADISM
2 : pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering
谁能说得清楚?也许这就是爱吧。
过

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Direct, simple, rugged, even somewhat masochistic. :-)

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

5 楼

It is not? too...too........quote from jiang zhe ming.

里

【在 b******y 的大作中提到】

: Agree. It is sad that this kind of work is preserved as Chinese literature.
:
: 过

c*t2004-01-27 08:01

6 楼

Ah? 我觉得巧珍这句话很动人啊.

里

【在 b******y 的大作中提到】

: Agree. It is sad that this kind of work is preserved as Chinese literature.
:
: 过

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

7 楼

//hand

literature.
搭

【在 c*******t 的大作中提到】

: Ah? 我觉得巧珍这句话很动人啊.
:
: 里

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

8 楼

真他妈的土鳖一个

里

【在 b******y 的大作中提到】

: Agree. It is sad that this kind of work is preserved as Chinese literature.
:
: 过

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

9 楼

This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
users. If the users have no style, so the language.
Now we saw an example here.

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: 真他妈的土鳖一个
:
: 里

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

10 楼

骂人说脏话是挺不好不雅，甚至有些低俗。但是有些人非要说些傻冒的话来充自己有品位
，层次高，逼别人来骂自己，那就更低俗了。
比如，有些人去看从中文作品翻译过去的英文文章，大赞有异国情调，语言优美什么的，
然后说自己国家的语言不好，那就不仅傻帽，而是傻逼了。
另外，我告诉你这个傻帽，语言文字的基本功能是传达意思，表达情感，这是“对什么人
说什么话”的由来。对自己不屑的人，不用拿腔作调显高雅，“傻x”二字简洁利落，最
合适了。

its

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
: The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
: users. If the users have no style, so the language.
: Now we saw an example here.

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

11 楼

大凡把意思表达清楚就是了。
何必非得说鹿是马，然后还得所有的人都附和?
支持皮啤，昨日看到该评论，心里很是郁闷。

its

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
: The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
: users. If the users have no style, so the language.
: Now we saw an example here.

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

12 楼

说的好。

位
，

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: 骂人说脏话是挺不好不雅，甚至有些低俗。但是有些人非要说些傻冒的话来充自己有品位
: ，层次高，逼别人来骂自己，那就更低俗了。
: 比如，有些人去看从中文作品翻译过去的英文文章，大赞有异国情调，语言优美什么的，
: 然后说自己国家的语言不好，那就不仅傻帽，而是傻逼了。
: 另外，我告诉你这个傻帽，语言文字的基本功能是传达意思，表达情感，这是“对什么人
: 说什么话”的由来。对自己不屑的人，不用拿腔作调显高雅，“傻x”二字简洁利落，最
: 合适了。
:
: its

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

13 楼

看到不爽的，替他/她想想理由，是不是人家自有其道理，如果想不到合理的，尽可骂过
去。唉，你们把气憋自己肚子里，坏人却都让我做了。

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: 大凡把意思表达清楚就是了。
: 何必非得说鹿是马，然后还得所有的人都附和?
: 支持皮啤，昨日看到该评论，心里很是郁闷。
:
: its

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

14 楼

Generally I dislike arguments. "They are always vulgar, and often convincing."
You already presented the way you think, and the way you behave. I don't want
to make much comments about that.
I am a believer of tolerance. I don't want to interfere with your reasoning
and presentation. However, I still believe that a proper etiquette is not so
unreachable, even for you.
I think that's my last post concerning this argument.

位
，
人
最

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: 骂人说脏话是挺不好不雅，甚至有些低俗。但是有些人非要说些傻冒的话来充自己有品位
: ，层次高，逼别人来骂自己，那就更低俗了。
: 比如，有些人去看从中文作品翻译过去的英文文章，大赞有异国情调，语言优美什么的，
: 然后说自己国家的语言不好，那就不仅傻帽，而是傻逼了。
: 另外，我告诉你这个傻帽，语言文字的基本功能是传达意思，表达情感，这是“对什么人
: 说什么话”的由来。对自己不屑的人，不用拿腔作调显高雅，“傻x”二字简洁利落，最
: 合适了。
:
: its

t*n2004-01-27 08:01

15 楼

嗯，阁下的原贴就八个字没解释，我还以为是喝多了骂街。这传达意思的水平可是差点
,虽然情感都表达无疑了。
还有E文阅读能力（要能力有限就吭一声，大家估计不介意给您用中文解释），别把当
代白话文写作水平不好硬看成“自己国家的语言不好”，然后来这愤青的一套。

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: 骂人说脏话是挺不好不雅，甚至有些低俗。但是有些人非要说些傻冒的话来充自己有品位
: ，层次高，逼别人来骂自己，那就更低俗了。
: 比如，有些人去看从中文作品翻译过去的英文文章，大赞有异国情调，语言优美什么的，
: 然后说自己国家的语言不好，那就不仅傻帽，而是傻逼了。
: 另外，我告诉你这个傻帽，语言文字的基本功能是传达意思，表达情感，这是“对什么人
: 说什么话”的由来。对自己不屑的人，不用拿腔作调显高雅，“傻x”二字简洁利落，最
: 合适了。
:
: its

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

16 楼

呵呵，你虽然“右”一些，但倒也有理有据，不至于盲目舔洋人屁眼。不和你辩。
楼上有没有人说中国话不好，你自己可以回头看看。至于白话文写作，不知道你读过多少
白话文作品，现代的不说，即使是当代的，也不至于让人全盘鄙视，得出个大不如英文的
结论来。
我没有把中英比较个清楚的能力，也没那愿望，所以向来住口。之所以要插口，无非就是
想表达此间有一二人是傻帽的意思，想来已经很清楚，阁下不必对号入座。就此打住。

点
当
on

【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】

:
: 嗯，阁下的原贴就八个字没解释，我还以为是喝多了骂街。这传达意思的水平可是差点
: ,虽然情感都表达无疑了。
: 还有E文阅读能力（要能力有限就吭一声，大家估计不介意给您用中文解释），别把当
: 代白话文写作水平不好硬看成“自己国家的语言不好”，然后来这愤青的一套。

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

17 楼

convincing."
inconvincible/inconvincing
want
me 2
品
的
么
，
on

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Generally I dislike arguments. "They are always vulgar, and often convincing."
: You already presented the way you think, and the way you behave. I don't want
: to make much comments about that.
: I am a believer of tolerance. I don't want to interfere with your reasoning
: and presentation. However, I still believe that a proper etiquette is not so
: unreachable, even for you.
: I think that's my last post concerning this argument.
:
: 位
: ，

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

18 楼

Since you seem don't know English very well, here is some explanation:
The opposite of convincing is unconvincing, not inconvincing.
For your information, the quote is from Oscar Wilde, "The Importance of being
Ernest".
Or maybe I should further explain that I quote it with a slight sense of
irony?

reasoning
so

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

:
: convincing."
: inconvincible/inconvincing
: want
: me 2
: 品
: 的
: 么
: ，
: on

c*t2004-01-27 08:01

19 楼

hand back~ :)
小时候读鲁迅先生的<>还曾经腹诽过... 现在看来, 先生的话总是不错的.
一

f*r2004-01-27 08:01

20 楼

Good. That guy is deserved this comment. And his comment is really bullshit.

literature.
搭

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: 真他妈的土鳖一个
:
: 里

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

21 楼

我的英语不好，也是土鳖一个。多谢指教。呵呵

being
not

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Since you seem don't know English very well, here is some explanation:
: The opposite of convincing is unconvincing, not inconvincing.
: For your information, the quote is from Oscar Wilde, "The Importance of being
: Ernest".
: Or maybe I should further explain that I quote it with a slight sense of
: irony?
:
: reasoning
: so

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

22 楼

It seems you are very in to this English language and feel very comfortable
about your English ability. I do see some grammer mistakes that caught my
eyes.See below:
I am not sure "since" fits here perfectly, but I know you started off the
wrong foot.
1. Since it seems that you do not know English very well, or you seems not to
know English very well....gotta it?
2. What is it like to be ernest? I know what it is like to be earnest though.
3. quote is from OW's "the blah blah......"
4. explain t

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Since you seem don't know English very well, here is some explanation:
: The opposite of convincing is unconvincing, not inconvincing.
: For your information, the quote is from Oscar Wilde, "The Importance of being
: Ernest".
: Or maybe I should further explain that I quote it with a slight sense of
: irony?
:
: reasoning
: so

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

23 楼

评论嘛，先生大概不会在意的，何况是腹诽。

.
个

【在 c*******t 的大作中提到】

: hand back~ :)
: 小时候读鲁迅先生的<>还曾经腹诽过... 现在看来, 先生的话总是不错的.
: 一

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

24 楼

I am not an English teacher, however, since you want to discuss English
grammar, here it goes:
It seems you made a mistake, OR you seem have made a mistake. Do you get it?
However, you used "you seems", that's an error.
To tell a story, you can choose to use the past tense, or you can also choose
to use the present tense. Examples are not hard to find.

to
though.

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: It seems you are very in to this English language and feel very comfortable
: about your English ability. I do see some grammer mistakes that caught my
: eyes.See below:
: I am not sure "since" fits here perfectly, but I know you started off the
: wrong foot.
: 1. Since it seems that you do not know English very well, or you seems not to
: know English very well....gotta it?
: 2. What is it like to be ernest? I know what it is like to be earnest though.
: 3. quote is from OW's "the blah blah......"
: 4. explain t

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

25 楼

哈哈，you did not get it,did you? "you seem do not know English very well"
was wrong. From the sample sentence, we can tell you got it right finally.
choose
comfortable

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: I am not an English teacher, however, since you want to discuss English
: grammar, here it goes:
: It seems you made a mistake, OR you seem have made a mistake. Do you get it?
: However, you used "you seems", that's an error.
: To tell a story, you can choose to use the past tense, or you can also choose
: to use the present tense. Examples are not hard to find.
:
: to
: though.

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

26 楼

You should have used either of the following:
it seems that you do not know English very well；
or you seems not to know English very well.
不好意思啦，我们不要在讨论这个问题了，拜托要是能用中文就用中文吧，特别是评论中
文的时候。

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: I am not an English teacher, however, since you want to discuss English
: grammar, here it goes:
: It seems you made a mistake, OR you seem have made a mistake. Do you get it?
: However, you used "you seems", that's an error.
: To tell a story, you can choose to use the past tense, or you can also choose
: to use the present tense. Examples are not hard to find.
:
: to
: though.

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

27 楼

Sorry, I don't know why the sentence is wrong.
"You seem do not know English very well". What's the problem with this
sentence?
"You seem do not understand me", what's wrong with it?

it?

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: You should have used either of the following:
: it seems that you do not know English very well；
: or you seems not to know English very well.
: 不好意思啦，我们不要在讨论这个问题了，拜托要是能用中文就用中文吧，特别是评论中
: 文的时候。

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

28 楼

But this sentence is wrong. "You seem", not "you seems", understand?
中
English
get
well"
finally.

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: You should have used either of the following:
: it seems that you do not know English very well；
: or you seems not to know English very well.
: 不好意思啦，我们不要在讨论这个问题了，拜托要是能用中文就用中文吧，特别是评论中
: 文的时候。

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

29 楼

me me me. but i didn't use words strong enough to cause a fight.
anyway, this id doesn't worth fighting. knew it long ago.

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: 看到不爽的，替他/她想想理由，是不是人家自有其道理，如果想不到合理的，尽可骂过
: 去。唉，你们把气憋自己肚子里，坏人却都让我做了。

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

30 楼

u do not seem to understand me.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Sorry, I don't know why the sentence is wrong.
: "You seem do not know English very well". What's the problem with this
: sentence?
: "You seem do not understand me", what's wrong with it?
:
: it?

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

31 楼

Here is part of a poem:
I ask for you: poetry's mouth
ask for you
that
your beauty swell in language
not that I would
ask more but
you to you
be what you seem
do not forget
remain your way
I mean to say
I love the light come through you
not yet
mental phenomena, but
search our demons
out
with fire
burn! burn!
"You seem do not know" looks good enough for me. Why it is wrong?

English
get
well"
finally.

【在 v*****n 的大作中提到】

: u do not seem to understand me.

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

32 楼

你就不要再凶巴巴的说understand/了。你英文好还很自信，行了吗?

论
also

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Here is part of a poem:
: I ask for you: poetry's mouth
: ask for you
: that
: your beauty swell in language
: not that I would
: ask more but
: you to you
: be what you seem
: do not forget

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

33 楼

you can find tons of grammar "mistakes" in poems.
don't tell me you don't know why.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Here is part of a poem:
: I ask for you: poetry's mouth
: ask for you
: that
: your beauty swell in language
: not that I would
: ask more but
: you to you
: be what you seem
: do not forget

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

34 楼

funny that he would rather believe grammar in a poem.
while claiming he is very english literate, he doesn't seem to
understand english poems well. and yet still grabbing it
like a bible.

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: 你就不要再凶巴巴的说understand/了。你英文好还很自信，行了吗?
:
: 论
: also

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

35 楼

尽信书不如无书。
我英语不好，不敢确定你那句是否正确。但这样两个谓语动词，看起来不太符合语法。

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Here is part of a poem:
: I ask for you: poetry's mouth
: ask for you
: that
: your beauty swell in language
: not that I would
: ask more but
: you to you
: be what you seem
: do not forget

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

36 楼

你狠，你说对它就是对的。
斑竹啊，同主题巧珍姑娘吧。

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Here is part of a poem:
: I ask for you: poetry's mouth
: ask for you
: that
: your beauty swell in language
: not that I would
: ask more but
: you to you
: be what you seem
: do not forget

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

37 楼

I am sorry if I appear impolite by using "understand". That's not my
intention. However, since you point out there is some grammar issue with my
sentence, I am eager to know the reason why.
I don't read grammar books, I learn the usage by imitating. I saw the usage
before, and it seems nobody takes issue with that.
Again, I have no intention to be impolite or rude.

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: 你就不要再凶巴巴的说understand/了。你英文好还很自信，行了吗?
:
: 论
: also

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

38 楼

one thing you'd better learn is never ever learn grammar
from a poem. grammar in poems could be altered to satisfy
the poets. so it's not standard.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: I am sorry if I appear impolite by using "understand". That's not my
: intention. However, since you point out there is some grammar issue with my
: sentence, I am eager to know the reason why.
: I don't read grammar books, I learn the usage by imitating. I saw the usage
: before, and it seems nobody takes issue with that.
: Again, I have no intention to be impolite or rude.

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

39 楼

don't tell me you didn't enter junior high school in china.
yes yes, you do.don't deny that. be brave about your true self.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: I am sorry if I appear impolite by using "understand". That's not my
: intention. However, since you point out there is some grammar issue with my
: sentence, I am eager to know the reason why.
: I don't read grammar books, I learn the usage by imitating. I saw the usage
: before, and it seems nobody takes issue with that.
: Again, I have no intention to be impolite or rude.

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

40 楼

apology accepted.
By pointing out the grammer,i was trying to be naughty. Plus I said bu hao yi
si.
Anyway, grammatically, it was wrong. But again, nobody speaks perfect English,
even the natives make mistakes too.
You seem do not know English(F)
You seem not to know English(R)
It seems you do not know English(R)

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: I am sorry if I appear impolite by using "understand". That's not my
: intention. However, since you point out there is some grammar issue with my
: sentence, I am eager to know the reason why.
: I don't read grammar books, I learn the usage by imitating. I saw the usage
: before, and it seems nobody takes issue with that.
: Again, I have no intention to be impolite or rude.

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

41 楼

It is rather strange that you guys are obsessed with grammar. I don't mind
people have typos and bad grammar, I usually ignore them. However, it seems
you guys are obsessed with my grammar/spelling. That's sort of egregious.

usage

【在 i*e 的大作中提到】

:
: don't tell me you didn't enter junior high school in china.
: yes yes, you do.don't deny that. be brave about your true self.

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

42 楼

because you are obessed with english language.
we were eager to know how good you are
so that we could have an idea whether your comment is valuable.
you disappointed us.
you ruined your credibility.
by the way, i am very bad at grammar. i learned
english by imitating, coz that's what my teacher
promoted, and i was lazy. however, i wouldn't brag
my english is good because that's not true.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: It is rather strange that you guys are obsessed with grammar. I don't mind
: people have typos and bad grammar, I usually ignore them. However, it seems
: you guys are obsessed with my grammar/spelling. That's sort of egregious.
:
: usage

g*k2004-01-27 08:01

43 楼

You started the grammer war first by commenting other's English. Let's stop
it, right here and right now.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: It is rather strange that you guys are obsessed with grammar. I don't mind
: people have typos and bad grammar, I usually ignore them. However, it seems
: you guys are obsessed with my grammar/spelling. That's sort of egregious.
:
: usage

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

44 楼

another alternative: you seem not knowing english.

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: apology accepted.
: By pointing out the grammer,i was trying to be naughty. Plus I said bu hao yi
: si.
: Anyway, grammatically, it was wrong. But again, nobody speaks perfect English,
: even the natives make mistakes too.
: You seem do not know English(F)
: You seem not to know English(R)
: It seems you do not know English(R)

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

45 楼

Excuse me?!
If you bother to take a look back, I did not begin to comment on other
people's writing. On the contrary, somebody begin to take issue with my
spelling/grammar.
The fact is not hard to find, you just need to simply look back.

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: You started the grammer war first by commenting other's English. Let's stop
: it, right here and right now.

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

46 楼

hehe. the fact is #5188.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Excuse me?!
: If you bother to take a look back, I did not begin to comment on other
: people's writing. On the contrary, somebody begin to take issue with my
: spelling/grammar.
: The fact is not hard to find, you just need to simply look back.

v*n2004-01-27 08:01

47 楼

呵呵，我还不至于在关于思想的辩论中去寻找对方陈述的语言错误来显示自己牛x。看到
你的话觉得有些矛盾，所以顺手改过来。而是你一直在贬别人英语不行，当然，我英语是
不行，所以也就大方承认了。纠缠这个没意思。
崇洋就崇洋吧，反正没骨气的人多了去了，何况喝过洋墨水的，更是可以理解了。

stop

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Excuse me?!
: If you bother to take a look back, I did not begin to comment on other
: people's writing. On the contrary, somebody begin to take issue with my
: spelling/grammar.
: The fact is not hard to find, you just need to simply look back.

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

48 楼

Interesting points.
First, I am not obsessed with English. I am obsessed with girls and
technologies. I use English because it is convenient than Chinese in most of
the cases.
Second, you are not obliged to read my post, or to reply it. So it is not of
your concern that my English is good or not. My British friends always offer
to correct my grammar and pronunciation (I am badly Asian-accented). But
again, that's my problem, not yours. I shunned free advises.
Your grammar is not my concern. And

【在 i*e 的大作中提到】

: because you are obessed with english language.
: we were eager to know how good you are
: so that we could have an idea whether your comment is valuable.
: you disappointed us.
: you ruined your credibility.
: by the way, i am very bad at grammar. i learned
: english by imitating, coz that's what my teacher
: promoted, and i was lazy. however, i wouldn't brag
: my english is good because that's not true.

i*e2004-01-27 08:01

49 楼

1. you are not true to yourself.
or you don't agree with your moment-ago self.
2. you don't have a sense of humor.
3. you are a boring person to argue with.
4. i am stupid, because i knew the previous 3 point for ages,
and yet still argued with you. hehe.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Interesting points.
: First, I am not obsessed with English. I am obsessed with girls and
: technologies. I use English because it is convenient than Chinese in most of
: the cases.
: Second, you are not obliged to read my post, or to reply it. So it is not of
: your concern that my English is good or not. My British friends always offer
: to correct my grammar and pronunciation (I am badly Asian-accented). But
: again, that's my problem, not yours. I shunned free advises.
: Your grammar is not my concern. And

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

50 楼

First, I did not disagree with myself. You are not me, how do you know I am
not true to myself?
Second, I am not particularly entertained or offended by your humor. My humor
is dry and wry.
I am really a boring people to argue with (but fun to flirt with), because I
don't argue, and I am not good at arguing. I am searching for the right
answer. You must hate Socrates.
If you are a sexy and stupid girl, call me. That's my type.

【在 i*e 的大作中提到】

: 1. you are not true to yourself.
: or you don't agree with your moment-ago self.
: 2. you don't have a sense of humor.
: 3. you are a boring person to argue with.
: 4. i am stupid, because i knew the previous 3 point for ages,
: and yet still argued with you. hehe.

r*w2004-01-27 08:01

51 楼

老大们
我的英文比较烂
不过我觉得这个好像是褒义的评语阿

过

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Direct, simple, rugged, even somewhat masochistic. :-)

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

52 楼

据说前面关于的题目里,bos崇洋了
我也是才看了这个主题，没觉得他怎么说汉语不好。
刚才看了几片主题里的东西，发现他说了几句诸如英语词汇多之类的话。
不过，偶觉得他崇洋是有了点，可大家也不至于这么抓住人不放呀。扪心自问，难道你们
痛扁bos的就没有在哪个方面崇过洋或者在哪个方面说过偏激和不成熟的话？
大家要宽容一点。

里

【在 r*******w 的大作中提到】

: 老大们
: 我的英文比较烂
: 不过我觉得这个好像是褒义的评语阿
:
: 过

r*w2004-01-27 08:01

53 楼

我觉得他在说
古代的中文是大大的好
现代的中文不怎么行了
他好像没有一竿子就把中文打到河里去阿

们
搭

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 据说前面关于的题目里,bos崇洋了
: 我也是才看了这个主题，没觉得他怎么说汉语不好。
: 刚才看了几片主题里的东西，发现他说了几句诸如英语词汇多之类的话。
: 不过，偶觉得他崇洋是有了点，可大家也不至于这么抓住人不放呀。扪心自问，难道你们
: 痛扁bos的就没有在哪个方面崇过洋或者在哪个方面说过偏激和不成熟的话？
: 大家要宽容一点。
:
: 里

d*o2004-01-27 08:01

54 楼

我觉得他这个英语词汇多的说法不对
是在拿中文日常口语词汇跟英文文学词汇比
其实中文词汇量太大了
咱们日常用的不过是其中一小小部分
很多写文章的人这方面水平也不够
en, 就这一点俺觉得不好，呵呵

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 据说前面关于的题目里,bos崇洋了
: 我也是才看了这个主题，没觉得他怎么说汉语不好。
: 刚才看了几片主题里的东西，发现他说了几句诸如英语词汇多之类的话。
: 不过，偶觉得他崇洋是有了点，可大家也不至于这么抓住人不放呀。扪心自问，难道你们
: 痛扁bos的就没有在哪个方面崇过洋或者在哪个方面说过偏激和不成熟的话？
: 大家要宽容一点。
:
: 里

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

55 楼

嗯，偶觉得他的这个post是这个意思：
“This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
users. If the users have no style, so the language.”

你
一

【在 r*******w 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得他在说
: 古代的中文是大大的好
: 现代的中文不怎么行了
: 他好像没有一竿子就把中文打到河里去阿
:
: 们
: 搭

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

56 楼

除了这点，他还说了别的崇洋的话了吗？偶懒得考古

你们

【在 d****o 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得他这个英语词汇多的说法不对
: 是在拿中文日常口语词汇跟英文文学词汇比
: 其实中文词汇量太大了
: 咱们日常用的不过是其中一小小部分
: 很多写文章的人这方面水平也不够
: en, 就这一点俺觉得不好，呵呵

r*w2004-01-27 08:01

57 楼

没觉的啊？
这不是他在support自己的论点*现代*的中文差强人意吗？
用得是现在时阿
还用得是*the* users
他前面也有说为什么现代的中文不行了，因为报纸媒介没有好典型
这个可以算是第二个原因吧，就是现代中文的使用者造成了现代中文的没落
（这都是我的理解，大家不要和我吵架的说）
我们在这儿干吗呢
大家歇歇吧
本来以为这么多帖子还挺高兴
没看几个呢，就吵起来了

its
。
道
个

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 嗯，偶觉得他的这个post是这个意思：
: “This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
: The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
: users. If the users have no style, so the language.”
:
: 你
: 一

d*o2004-01-27 08:01

58 楼

别的偶看见的，
大概就是对等的比较
当代中文 vs 当代英文
我觉得这个算不上崇洋
属于个人观点
我不同意的
是从不对等的比较得出中文不好的结论

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 除了这点，他还说了别的崇洋的话了吗？偶懒得考古
:
: 你们

r*w2004-01-27 08:01

59 楼

而且他这个不是开宗明义就讲了
中文的问题不是中文本身，
他是在批判某些中文的使用者，
并不是中文这个语言，或者中国文化

话
难

【在 r*******w 的大作中提到】

: 没觉的啊？
: 这不是他在support自己的论点*现代*的中文差强人意吗？
: 用得是现在时阿
: 还用得是*the* users
: 他前面也有说为什么现代的中文不行了，因为报纸媒介没有好典型
: 这个可以算是第二个原因吧，就是现代中文的使用者造成了现代中文的没落
: （这都是我的理解，大家不要和我吵架的说）
: 我们在这儿干吗呢
: 大家歇歇吧
: 本来以为这么多帖子还挺高兴

d*o2004-01-27 08:01

60 楼

不过说真的那个长贴俺没看
好多词俺不大懂
也比较累
俺以后万一要出去掐，
一定用中文
看的人会比较多

d*o2004-01-27 08:01

61 楼

恩，俺的ID先摔你一跟斗，哈哈哈哈

sm2004-01-27 08:01

62 楼

是。
bos本人如何我不知道，因为他老写英文我懒得看。但是很多骂当代汉语或中国文化的人
，其实是因为觉得汉语或文化是宝贝，见不得别人糟蹋，所以转而开骂--好象鲁迅在<晋风度及文章与药及酒之关系>>里面讲的，非汤武而薄周孔的，“实则倒是承认礼教
，太相信礼教，认为时人亵渎了礼教，不平之极，无计可施，激而变成不谈礼教，不信礼
教，甚至
于反对礼教。－－但其实不过是态度，至于他们的本心，恐怕倒是相信礼教，当作宝贝，
比曹操司马懿们要迂执得多”
但是另有自栩汉语很好的人，觉得自己仍旧继承了民族语言的精华，怎能容忍别人认为自
己和同道abuse了它？只好认定那反对礼教的人果然是非薄汤武周孔了。

its
。
道
个

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 嗯，偶觉得他的这个post是这个意思：
: “This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
: The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
: users. If the users have no style, so the language.”
:
: 你
: 一

v*e2004-01-27 08:01

63 楼

so I suppose he believes that he's got style, not in Chinese but in English.
Truely he's got his style in English, a style borrowed from a better language,
which is absolutely better than his own.

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 嗯，偶觉得他的这个post是这个意思：
: “This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
: The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
: users. If the users have no style, so the language.”
:
: 你
: 一

d*o2004-01-27 08:01

64 楼

haha，多半是学俺们专业的

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

65 楼

晕倒。怪偶没说清楚。偶的意思是说“偶觉得他的这个帖子支持了你(robinsnow)的观点)
。”

话
难

【在 r*******w 的大作中提到】

: 没觉的啊？
: 这不是他在support自己的论点*现代*的中文差强人意吗？
: 用得是现在时阿
: 还用得是*the* users
: 他前面也有说为什么现代的中文不行了，因为报纸媒介没有好典型
: 这个可以算是第二个原因吧，就是现代中文的使用者造成了现代中文的没落
: （这都是我的理解，大家不要和我吵架的说）
: 我们在这儿干吗呢
: 大家歇歇吧
: 本来以为这么多帖子还挺高兴

sm2004-01-27 08:01

66 楼

My understanding is: Chinese is too precious, so either use it with style or
don't use it at all. As for English, it's OK to abuse. So modest people who
are afraid of abusing beautiful languages should choose English or alike.

language,
its

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】

: so I suppose he believes that he's got style, not in Chinese but in English.
: Truely he's got his style in English, a style borrowed from a better language,
: which is absolutely better than his own.

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

67 楼

haha,偶觉得在吵架骂人上，vitamin和vitamin所用的中文已经远远超出bos和bos所用的
英文了。

其实vitamin大可以骂得花样翻新层出不穷，也露露咱中文博大精神，种种各有不同的sty
话
难
两

v*e2004-01-27 08:01

68 楼

我觉得那时因为bos的e文没他自己claim的那么好..

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: haha,偶觉得在吵架骂人上，vitamin和vitamin所用的中文已经远远超出bos和bos所用的
: 英文了。
:
: 其实vitamin大可以骂得花样翻新层出不穷，也露露咱中文博大精神，种种各有不同的sty
: 话
: 难
: 两

d*o2004-01-27 08:01

69 楼

所以我说多半。。。模糊概念就是好

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

70 楼

hahahaha，你的理解很有趣

用的
的sty

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得那时因为bos的e文没他自己claim的那么好..

v*e2004-01-27 08:01

71 楼

前一阵看better luck tomorrow,好生长一番见识,整个脏话篓子,层出不穷
到我只能看懂一小半

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: hahahaha，你的理解很有趣
:
: 用的
: 的sty

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

72 楼

同意。

的
多
用
其实vitamin大可以骂得花样翻新层出不穷，也露露咱中文博大精神，种种各有不同的sty
lies
类
问
？

i*l2004-01-27 08:01

73 楼

and no style in modern chinese literature on the whole.

。
道

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 除了这点，他还说了别的崇洋的话了吗？偶懒得考古
:
: 你们

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

74 楼

那电影大概不是给你看的

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】

: 前一阵看better luck tomorrow,好生长一番见识,整个脏话篓子,层出不穷
: 到我只能看懂一小半

v*e2004-01-27 08:01

75 楼

说的是极,自然要留给bos之类的e文高手去看,方能领会其中妙处.
在下不知天高地厚,不小心借了回来,下次定当分外注意:)

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 那电影大概不是给你看的

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

76 楼

oh. 好象很多人都这么说呀

话
难

【在 i****l 的大作中提到】

: and no style in modern chinese literature on the whole.
:
: 。
: 道

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

77 楼

李守一说：“做人要厚道。”
费老也这么说。

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】

: 说的是极,自然要留给bos之类的e文高手去看,方能领会其中妙处.
: 在下不知天高地厚,不小心借了回来,下次定当分外注意:)

v*e2004-01-27 08:01

78 楼

不至于,我只是接个话头,e文的确有待进一步努力,希望明年能看懂better luck tomorrow

【在 r*f 的大作中提到】

: 李守一说：“做人要厚道。”
: 费老也这么说。

r*f2004-01-27 08:01

79 楼

nod,nod
好象偶认识的一个人叫李守一

h*o2004-01-27 08:01

80 楼

没看出哪里被abused了，巧珍作为一个劳动妇女的形象，你指望
她说出多么优雅的话？要不你用英语来一段？

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: This is an example how the Chinese language is abused.
: The problem of the Chinese language is not the language itself, it lies on its
: users. If the users have no style, so the language.
: Now we saw an example here.

g*h2004-01-27 08:01

81 楼

哪个姑娘这么跟俺说，俺立马跟她一搭里过！呵呵。

【在 g*k 的大作中提到】

: 巧珍猛地停住脚步，扬起头看着加林说：“加林哥，你如果不嫌我，咱们两个一搭里过
: ！你在家里呆着，我给咱上山劳动！不会叫你受苦的……”
: 记事起看的第一部电影。
: http://www.yifan.net/yihe/novels/renshengm.html

g*h2004-01-27 08:01

82 楼

俺来abuse一下中文：
彼君子兮，无为我弃。
与子同好，日月以继。
硕人垂堂，我与将息。
无与子蓬麻，无与子风雨。
哈，土妞还是那土妞，受虐狂还是那受虐狂，这个听起来是不是noble得多？
越来越体会到孔夫子的伟大，就那么整蛊一下三百篇，就把这些文明人不屑
的东东preserve了3000年。

【在 h*****o 的大作中提到】

: 没看出哪里被abused了，巧珍作为一个劳动妇女的形象，你指望
: 她说出多么优雅的话？要不你用英语来一段？

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

83 楼

这不是起哄吗？

【在 h*****o 的大作中提到】

: 没看出哪里被abused了，巧珍作为一个劳动妇女的形象，你指望
: 她说出多么优雅的话？要不你用英语来一段？

b*s2004-01-27 08:01

84 楼

倒是看清了都是谁跟谁呀！

【在 h*****o 的大作中提到】

: 没看出哪里被abused了，巧珍作为一个劳动妇女的形象，你指望
: 她说出多么优雅的话？要不你用英语来一段？

g*d2004-01-27 08:01

85 楼

I assume the linebreaks and spacing in the following lines are
original:
you to you
be what you seem
do not forget
remain your way
My reading of the lines in prose:
You, to you, be what you seem to be.
Do not forget to remain your way.
I guess the poet omitted the little words for meter reasons.
Well, I don't know a thing about English meter. So my reading
could be skewed.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: Here is part of a poem:
: I ask for you: poetry's mouth
: ask for you
: that
: your beauty swell in language
: not that I would
: ask more but
: you to you
: be what you seem
: do not forget

k*e2004-01-27 08:01

86 楼

a lot more people out there don't speak standard english, why bother arguing
grammar here? esp. you are not a native speaker at all.
funny

【在 i*e 的大作中提到】

: funny that he would rather believe grammar in a poem.
: while claiming he is very english literate, he doesn't seem to
: understand english poems well. and yet still grabbing it
: like a bible.

k*e2004-01-27 08:01

87 楼

they are not obssessed in correcting you with the grammar.

【在 b*s 的大作中提到】

: It is rather strange that you guys are obsessed with grammar. I don't mind
: people have typos and bad grammar, I usually ignore them. However, it seems
: you guys are obsessed with my grammar/spelling. That's sort of egregious.
:
: usage

k*e2004-01-27 08:01

88 楼

i agree with you, esp. no.4

【在 i*e 的大作中提到】

: 1. you are not true to yourself.
: or you don't agree with your moment-ago self.
: 2. you don't have a sense of humor.
: 3. you are a boring person to argue with.
: 4. i am stupid, because i knew the previous 3 point for ages,
: and yet still argued with you. hehe.

p*s2004-01-27 08:01

89 楼

ft...复活啦？

【在 g****d 的大作中提到】

:
: I assume the linebreaks and spacing in the following lines are
: original:
: you to you
: be what you seem
: do not forget
: remain your way
: My reading of the lines in prose:
: You, to you, be what you seem to be.
: Do not forget to remain your way.