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i*y
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1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
"...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,
remember that you had a choice, and now you are living that choice. You
robbed me of something very precious, and I will never forgive you for that.
Mr. McKinney, I give you life in the memory of one who no longer lives. May
you have a long life, and may you thank Matthew every day for it..."
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w*y
2
张妙家人是不是主张死刑基本不重要。死刑不是判给张妙家人看的,而是整个社会。
show mercy有时的确可以感化一个犯人,也许可以感化药。但同时,震慑、惩罚、
平衡的作用也就失去了。
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c*w
3
不同的文化,不同的价值观。 可是我倒是很欣赏MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母。他们的仁慈
闪耀着人性的光芒。
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c*e
4
我衷心地祈祷这个世界上一切可能发生的灾难和不幸都降临到楼主的身上!
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D*D
5
死刑不应该是给家人来决定的,杀人罪应该是公诉,受害者死了,只能国家来主持正义
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t*a
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LZ真他妈2B.
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l*t
7
很像jay 周杰伦啊
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f*7
8
人如头像,你的确很像2B,还去说人家?

【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
: LZ真他妈2B.
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i*n
9
楼主先把你妈妈推出来 让人捅个8刀
然后再“学学Matthew Shepard的父母”吧
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p*g
10
楼主2b, 洋主子拉的屎你也舔~ 边舔还边教育别的中国人,你们也得学着我点,懂?
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g*8
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今天下午还刚和我们法学院的法学博士聊天,被告知在美国,药加薪的行为根本不是激
情杀人,很简单就是该判死刑。
不知道楼主想拿这个video说明什么?想说明您也闪着人性的光辉?我看你是脑子有病

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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d*e
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###此帖已应当事人要求删除###

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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Y*G
13
楼主概念有些混乱,判药死刑不是基于hate,而是基于justice。
对于药,我们不需要恨他,我们只要求他付出他应该付出的 -- 一命抵一命,不需要多
要。药既然有勇气杀死张妙,就必须有勇气承担后果。
张妙被无辜地杀死了,如果这个社会还有公义的话,就替她申冤吧。
如果张妙白白地死了,我们只能去学钢琴了、、、

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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l*d
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8刀都嫌少,不过说不定一撞就撞死了,8刀也省了呢。
发信人: ideallorn (ideallorn), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: Re: 张妙他们家应该学学Matthew Shepard的父母
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 25 00:04:02 2011, 美东)
楼主先把你妈妈推出来 让人捅个8刀
然后再“学学Matthew Shepard的父母”吧
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i*y
15
这篇文章的标题的确不妥,我已经改了过来,但是我们的文化里面没有宽恕,其实
像MATTHEW shepard 父母这样的例子在美国并不少见。这篇文章只是让大家看看另外一
种在我们文化里面完全没有可能性的东西。我本人的确也有过失去亲人的痛苦,我曾经
一度认为是医生不负责任的失误让我失去了亲人,心理充满了仇恨,但是现在我决定放
下心里的仇恨。决定饶恕
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i*y
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我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

【在 l******d 的大作中提到】
: 顶
: 8刀都嫌少,不过说不定一撞就撞死了,8刀也省了呢。
: 发信人: ideallorn (ideallorn), 信区: WaterWorld
: 标 题: Re: 张妙他们家应该学学Matthew Shepard的父母
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 25 00:04:02 2011, 美东)
: 楼主先把你妈妈推出来 让人捅个8刀
: 然后再“学学Matthew Shepard的父母”吧

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j*b
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我觉得你心里对张妙一家存在极大的仇恨。你可以说张家讨公平是仇恨。但是我可以负
责人的告诉你,他们的“仇恨”比你这个仇恨健康得多。

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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c*t
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你如果要求别人原谅伤害过自己的人,你是在干涉他人复仇的正当权利
原谅伤害你的坏人是你的自由,虽然这会给其它潜在的坏人起到鼓励从恶的作用
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X*u
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his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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w*y
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大家明白你的用意。你也要明白,饶恕只是一个人的事,但维护正义是大家的事,谁也挡
不住。

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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w*y
21
你要化解张妙家人的仇恨,你应该去找他们说。这里的人没有仇恨,更多的是自然而然地
正义感。你到这儿谈仇恨干嘛?
民进党能操纵、扭曲仇恨那是民进党的问题。台湾老百姓对二二八的反应很自然,有什么
错?

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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t*n
22
恩,学了钢琴,可以在楼主身上激情一下。

He
winner.

【在 Y**G 的大作中提到】
: 楼主概念有些混乱,判药死刑不是基于hate,而是基于justice。
: 对于药,我们不需要恨他,我们只要求他付出他应该付出的 -- 一命抵一命,不需要多
: 要。药既然有勇气杀死张妙,就必须有勇气承担后果。
: 张妙被无辜地杀死了,如果这个社会还有公义的话,就替她申冤吧。
: 如果张妙白白地死了,我们只能去学钢琴了、、、
:
: his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
: was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
: he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
: My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not

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w*r
23
你自己的事, 你饶恕, 那是你高尚.
你要求别的受害者饶恕, 你鸭就是猪狗不如. 药捅了人家8刀, 你个狗日的捅了人第9刀.

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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x*p
24
最近总有人拿美国对谋杀的"宽恕"来为药案辩解,却忽略了东西方文化下的不同思维方
式。
比如说人性,西方不主张对谋杀判死刑,宁可用终身监禁来替受害者赎罪。但从另一方
面,终身监禁或许比死刑更残忍,让人终身无自由,生不如死。东方大部分国家都有死
刑,看似残忍,可以死赎罪的做法更能闪耀人性的光辉. 这样的结果,对双方家庭都是
解脱。
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s*e
25
什么叫‘我们的文化没有宽恕’,你凭什么代表我们的文化发言,你是谁啊??

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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p*o
26
lz显然不知道中国没有无期徒刑,死缓等于7-12年
在这种背景下要求人性,无异nc
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k*o
27
呵呵,法学院的又来了。。。你先查查美国多少一级谋杀case,判无期和十几年的,然
后罪犯不到十年就parole出来了。药案千万别拿美国法律衡量,否则绝对没有死刑。
1965年Robert Massie在抢劫过程中,杀了一个两个孩子的妈妈,判无期(此时他已有
两次抢劫并开枪伤人的前科),1978年parole出狱。8个月之后又去打劫商店,开枪射
死店主,然后这次才判了死刑。
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/massie703.htm

He
winner.
,
and

【在 g******8 的大作中提到】
: 今天下午还刚和我们法学院的法学博士聊天,被告知在美国,药加薪的行为根本不是激
: 情杀人,很简单就是该判死刑。
: 不知道楼主想拿这个video说明什么?想说明您也闪着人性的光辉?我看你是脑子有病
:
: his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
: was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
: he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
: My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
: tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
: son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,

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o*e
28
Normally i'd respect the parents wishes. But in this case, the victim
expressed his opinion on death penalty before his actual death, so I'd think
his parents should respect it instead.
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t*t
29
有时候仁慈就是犯罪。

【在 c******w 的大作中提到】
: 不同的文化,不同的价值观。 可是我倒是很欣赏MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母。他们的仁慈
: 闪耀着人性的光芒。

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a*0
30
别人要做仁慈的羔羊俺不管。反正中国人做羔羊日子长了去了。要是有人把老子的家人
如此了,死刑算什么, 老子是非亲手活剐。
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d*h
31
想说明 啥?
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h*c
32
兰州烧饼你好!@!
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c*7
33
终身监禁不比死刑还恐怖么
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J*d
34
请原谅我的英语水平有限...
在这个法庭陈词里面,我咋看的意思是“你杀了我儿子,我让你一辈子活在后悔痛苦无
奈之
中!”呢?没感觉说比追求死刑强多少。

small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing
only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the
age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life,
he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved
that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard
of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that
he could win again.: On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my
hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50
days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family
and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I
have left now are the memories...
the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death
of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death
penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring
those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that
the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in
the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die,
Mr. McKinney.: However, this is the time to begin the healing
process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
to do,
or the
up in

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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d*0
35
你不是受害人,你无权“请求”或“要求”,更无权拿大帽子去
“强求”受害人去饶恕凶手。
你即使是受害人,你可以选择你本人饶恕凶手,你可以不记
“私仇”,但是你无权干涉公众所认同的正义,故意杀人属于
公诉,是公众意志的体现,受害者也不能去强奸公众心中的
正义。

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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i*e
36
药的问题是判他死刑还是判中国法制系统的死刑.
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j*1
37
估计楼主是个教徒。
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s*y
38
我同意。。我觉得放低仇恨,如果可以的话,尝试着去宽容,其实是对自己的疗伤
中国人确实少了宽容。。而仇恨有时候反过来燃烧了自己
放下仇恨不是为了对方,而是为了自己

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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s*y
39
这要问问双方的家庭这是不是他们认为最好的。。你不能强加给人家
很显然这不是药家想要的结果

【在 x*****p 的大作中提到】
: 最近总有人拿美国对谋杀的"宽恕"来为药案辩解,却忽略了东西方文化下的不同思维方
: 式。
: 比如说人性,西方不主张对谋杀判死刑,宁可用终身监禁来替受害者赎罪。但从另一方
: 面,终身监禁或许比死刑更残忍,让人终身无自由,生不如死。东方大部分国家都有死
: 刑,看似残忍,可以死赎罪的做法更能闪耀人性的光辉. 这样的结果,对双方家庭都是
: 解脱。

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g*a
40
听了,马修的父母确实动着宽容的光辉,演讲也很感人。
但是楼主你要知道,宽容是偶然的,而惩戒是必然的。如果每一个案子都要求人们去学
习马修父母而
放弃惩戒,楼主你要小心你父母的生命安全。
另外,说到东西方文明之间的差异,谁tm说我们中国人没有mercy谁他妈就是从屁眼里
生出来的拉到
了马桶里给屎熏坏了脑袋。中国人,是这个世界上最富有同情心最宽容的一个人种,正
因为这种宽容
已经成为本民族的特质,所以媒体鲜有报道中国人的mercy,因为那是一种自然的人性
,已无须刻意
传播了。反观西方文明,作为一个群体,从古至今,从十字军东征,到印第安大屠杀,
到灭绝犹太
人,等等等等惨绝人寰惨无人道的案例你mb不是不知道吧?从个体来看,西方人复仇的
精神电影上都
tm被宣扬地很高尚,如杀死比尔,杀死你mb等等。
杀人偿命!给药吃一颗花生算是便宜了他,应该把那一撞和8刀捅还给他。王八蛋,良
心给狗吃了,拉
出来一坨黑屎,放回肚子里去,才能干出这种灭绝了人性,动物都干不出来的混蛋事!
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s*r
41
曾子曰:夫子之道,忠恕而已矣。
——《论语·里仁》
你代表不了“我们的文化”

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得人总是心理充满了仇恨面对一些发生在自己身上的不幸的事情不见得是最好的事
: 情,拿台湾的二二八来说吧,很多人一夜之间失去的亲人,民进党也反复操弄这种仇恨
: ,让台湾的民众仇恨所有的中国人。然而,大多数的中国人并不理解这种仇恨,觉得台
: 湾人没事找事,但是这种仇恨心态真的对吗,我很怀疑

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T*I
42
父母其实和子女没有拥有和被拥有的关系。
父母宽恕和判刑结果没有直接的关系。
我支持死刑。
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j*b
43
Matthew Shepard's clearly said they will never forgive the murderer. Why you
guy's keep mentioning "forgive".
"Forgiving" someone who intentionally inflicted painful death on your son is
unimaginable. It is their choice that they should suffer alive rather than
quick death. It's not forgiveness.
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r*n
44
殴打不是故意杀人吧。。

for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2"
tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13
until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved
that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was
as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known.
On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win
again.: On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On
October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd
birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his
mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the
memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of
James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death
penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring
those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that
the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in
the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr.
McKinney.: However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To
show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
to do,
the
in

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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i*y
45
我只是把MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母的做法拿出来让大家讨论一下,这种事情可能还有不
同的做法,不同的思维。你在哪里看到了我说要强迫张妙家照着做。你咬牙切齿,满嘴脏
字的样子看上去实在不象有MERCY的样子,至于说中国人是不是最富有同情心,最宽容
的一个民族。每个民族大概都认为自己的民族是最富有同情心,而且最宽容的。不过,
直到今天中国,还是个因言获罪的社会,大街上经常出现老人摔倒没有人敢扶,开车的
害怕被要挟,走路的害怕被杀人灭口。所有人的家里都安监狱似的铁栅栏。婴儿奶粉里
面下毒,吃饭害怕吃到有毒的东西,医院看病害怕医生开一大堆乱七八糟的药,被治死
,孩子走在街上害怕被拐走卖掉,上幼儿园害怕被精神病砍死。人人自危,毫无信任可
言,从某种意义上说,药的案子也是有背后的原因的。我觉得我的民族是个很出色的民
族,比如说勤劳,聪明,但是我也人为我的民族有很多的毛病。说中国人最宽容,最同情,我却不能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看
别人怎么做,对我们没有害处

【在 g**********a 的大作中提到】
: 听了,马修的父母确实动着宽容的光辉,演讲也很感人。
: 但是楼主你要知道,宽容是偶然的,而惩戒是必然的。如果每一个案子都要求人们去学
: 习马修父母而
: 放弃惩戒,楼主你要小心你父母的生命安全。
: 另外,说到东西方文明之间的差异,谁tm说我们中国人没有mercy谁他妈就是从屁眼里
: 生出来的拉到
: 了马桶里给屎熏坏了脑袋。中国人,是这个世界上最富有同情心最宽容的一个人种,正
: 因为这种宽容
: 已经成为本民族的特质,所以媒体鲜有报道中国人的mercy,因为那是一种自然的人性
: ,已无须刻意

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i*y
46
按照你的逻辑,那个叫李玫瑾的砖家也是同样只是把药家鑫的心路历程分析一下,她也
没有替药家维护,是吧?

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我只是把MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母的做法拿出来让大家讨论一下,这种事情可能还有不
: 同的做法,不同的思维。你在哪里看到了我说要强迫张妙家照着做。你咬牙切齿,满嘴脏
: 字的样子看上去实在不象有MERCY的样子,至于说中国人是不是最富有同情心,最宽容
: 的一个民族。每个民族大概都认为自己的民族是最富有同情心,而且最宽容的。不过,
: 直到今天中国,还是个因言获罪的社会,大街上经常出现老人摔倒没有人敢扶,开车的
: 害怕被要挟,走路的害怕被杀人灭口。所有人的家里都安监狱似的铁栅栏。婴儿奶粉里
: 面下毒,吃饭害怕吃到有毒的东西,医院看病害怕医生开一大堆乱七八糟的药,被治死
: ,孩子走在街上害怕被拐走卖掉,上幼儿园害怕被精神病砍死。人人自危,毫无信任可
: 言,从某种意义上说,药的案子也是有背后的原因的。我觉得我的民族是个很出色的民
: 族,比如说勤劳,聪明,但是我也人为我的民族有很多的毛病。说中国人最宽容,最同情,我却不能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看

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h*e
47
这个比死刑还狠啊,matt的父母就是说出来,如果我是凶手,听到这样的话就受一辈子
的折磨啊,还说mercy,如果真有mercy的心,就一刀把我解决了吧
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g*8
48
你就是个混蛋+很能唐的唐僧

嘴脏
同情,我却不能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我只是把MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母的做法拿出来让大家讨论一下,这种事情可能还有不
: 同的做法,不同的思维。你在哪里看到了我说要强迫张妙家照着做。你咬牙切齿,满嘴脏
: 字的样子看上去实在不象有MERCY的样子,至于说中国人是不是最富有同情心,最宽容
: 的一个民族。每个民族大概都认为自己的民族是最富有同情心,而且最宽容的。不过,
: 直到今天中国,还是个因言获罪的社会,大街上经常出现老人摔倒没有人敢扶,开车的
: 害怕被要挟,走路的害怕被杀人灭口。所有人的家里都安监狱似的铁栅栏。婴儿奶粉里
: 面下毒,吃饭害怕吃到有毒的东西,医院看病害怕医生开一大堆乱七八糟的药,被治死
: ,孩子走在街上害怕被拐走卖掉,上幼儿园害怕被精神病砍死。人人自危,毫无信任可
: 言,从某种意义上说,药的案子也是有背后的原因的。我觉得我的民族是个很出色的民
: 族,比如说勤劳,聪明,但是我也人为我的民族有很多的毛病。说中国人最宽容,最同情,我却不能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看

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a*n
49
lz是不是5毛啊
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x*0
50
楼主是个啥比
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f*t
51
楼主你今天为啥没吃药呢?
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p*d
52
可敬的態度。法律需要公正,但是也需要體現人性。廢除死刑正是法律人性化的體現。

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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g*a
53
是tm谁一开始的标题是:张妙他们家应该学学Matthew Shepard的父母的?
谁写了这个标题谁的手烂掉!

嘴脏
同情,我却不
能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我只是把MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母的做法拿出来让大家讨论一下,这种事情可能还有不
: 同的做法,不同的思维。你在哪里看到了我说要强迫张妙家照着做。你咬牙切齿,满嘴脏
: 字的样子看上去实在不象有MERCY的样子,至于说中国人是不是最富有同情心,最宽容
: 的一个民族。每个民族大概都认为自己的民族是最富有同情心,而且最宽容的。不过,
: 直到今天中国,还是个因言获罪的社会,大街上经常出现老人摔倒没有人敢扶,开车的
: 害怕被要挟,走路的害怕被杀人灭口。所有人的家里都安监狱似的铁栅栏。婴儿奶粉里
: 面下毒,吃饭害怕吃到有毒的东西,医院看病害怕医生开一大堆乱七八糟的药,被治死
: ,孩子走在街上害怕被拐走卖掉,上幼儿园害怕被精神病砍死。人人自危,毫无信任可
: 言,从某种意义上说,药的案子也是有背后的原因的。我觉得我的民族是个很出色的民
: 族,比如说勤劳,聪明,但是我也人为我的民族有很多的毛病。说中国人最宽容,最同情,我却不能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看

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g*a
54
你说的逻辑有问题,体现人性就是废除死刑吗??
此人不杀,那么这个法律就是tm是没人性的一个法律。
为什么?你闭上眼睛想象一下,如果你在场,看到这么一幕,一sb开车撞了个妇女,妇
女在地上痛
苦不堪,这sb从车上掏把刀出来,跑到妇女跟前,受伤妇女惊恐而疑惑,不着急,马上
变成见证8
刀----一刀刀捅下去直到捅死。这法律要是没让这样的没人性的sb死,这法律有人性?
很有人情味
是吗?给你尝尝!

tall. He
the day
winner.
not
1998, my
12, 1998,
son--and
surrounded
All

【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 可敬的態度。法律需要公正,但是也需要體現人性。廢除死刑正是法律人性化的體現。
:
: his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
: was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
: he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
: My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
: tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
: son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
: my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
: my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded

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i*y
55
没办法啊,原来的标题是MATTHEW的父母原谅了凶手,结果没有人回贴,标题改成了张
妙家人学学MATTHEW的父母,立刻成为水世界十大热门话题,标题不写的耸动一些,没
有人注意啊。为了赚伪币,我容易吗

【在 g**********a 的大作中提到】
: 是tm谁一开始的标题是:张妙他们家应该学学Matthew Shepard的父母的?
: 谁写了这个标题谁的手烂掉!
:
: 嘴脏
: 同情,我却不
: 能苟同他山之石可以攻玉看看

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z*u
56
我看了这陈词,怎么觉得像是诅咒呢。感觉是“你死了就完了?不行,我要你活着,每
天都想想你犯的罪。。。”
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B*o
57
胸怀宽厚
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r*9
58
co -bless

【在 c**e 的大作中提到】
: 我衷心地祈祷这个世界上一切可能发生的灾难和不幸都降临到楼主的身上!
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n*8
59
The victim family will ask: "Why don't you shut up and forgive us wanting
the murderer die?". How do you answer that irony? Why don't you lend your "
noble" forgiveness to the victim family in case they can not reach your "
nobleness", lz?
Forgiveness is enjoyable if you follow it in your heart. If you want to
promote it to others, you need to apply it equally to everyone, everywhere,
everyday. It is never appropriate to demand it from a selective (i.e. the
victim) group as a third person. If so, that is called injustice. And if
followed, the murderer to be will continue to exploit forgiveness as a means
to get away punishment. That is why we have the law.
One adult needs to take consequences for his action. I believe it do better
to the society if one observes that he will lose his life should he kills
someone rather than giving one hope that he might be forgiven no matter what
he do. People needs to believe you pay for what you do.

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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d*g
60
Zhangmiao's parents certainly don't want to learn from them. The limitation
of being peasants.
It is up to you to do something like that. How about you to donate $10000 (
not so big an amount!) to Zhang's family so that Zhang's baby can be better
raised?
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y*n
61
我们文化里还是有宽恕的吧。那些被拆迁的没办法自焚的,最后不都是宽恕了拆迁队,
只烧自己么?

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 没办法啊,原来的标题是MATTHEW的父母原谅了凶手,结果没有人回贴,标题改成了张
: 妙家人学学MATTHEW的父母,立刻成为水世界十大热门话题,标题不写的耸动一些,没
: 有人注意啊。为了赚伪币,我容易吗

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g*a
62
算了算了,我说话对你也稍微恶毒了点,那其实不是我风格。不好意思
你这伪币还是别赚的好,招这么多骂,多伤身体。。。

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 没办法啊,原来的标题是MATTHEW的父母原谅了凶手,结果没有人回贴,标题改成了张
: 妙家人学学MATTHEW的父母,立刻成为水世界十大热门话题,标题不写的耸动一些,没
: 有人注意啊。为了赚伪币,我容易吗

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i*y
63
这个不难啊,我一年给教会的十一奉献也有这个数了。给张妙他们家就说是上帝给的,
他们家人不用感谢我,感谢神就行了。

limitation
better

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: Zhangmiao's parents certainly don't want to learn from them. The limitation
: of being peasants.
: It is up to you to do something like that. How about you to donate $10000 (
: not so big an amount!) to Zhang's family so that Zhang's baby can be better
: raised?

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J*X
64

这里的恕并不是宽恕的意思。
《论语·卫灵公》:“子贡问曰:‘有一言而可以终身行之者乎?’
子曰:‘其恕乎!己所不欲,勿施于人。’”
所以,恕,如心也,就是推己及人将心比心。
另外,《论语·宪问》:“或曰:‘以德报怨何如?’
子曰:‘何以报德?以直报怨,以德报德。’”
这里说得更明白,老孔反对愚昧的无谓的宽恕,提倡的是以公正对待仇怨。
无条件的宽恕其实不是什么普世的人性光辉,不过是基于原始愚昧的一神教宗教教义。
也即人都是有原罪的,人不能审判其他人更不能判其死罪,只有上帝才是最终的裁决者
等等。
取消死刑其实就是这种宗教思维在司法上的体现。
何谓人性?人区别于动物,其根本不是在于同情怜悯爱欲这些基于动物本能的低等的情
感,
而在于人有理性,有思维能力,以及由此而产生的公平,正义等概念和信条。
从这一点上说,我们的没有多少宗教束缚的老祖宗更有智慧也更富于人性。
所以,对那些脑残的以宽恕为理由要求对药加薪免死甚至干脆废除死刑的说法,
最好的反驳是,在公正和宽恕之间,我们首先选择公正,无条件的宽恕不是我们信奉的
人性。

【在 s********r 的大作中提到】
: 曾子曰:夫子之道,忠恕而已矣。
: ——《论语·里仁》
: 你代表不了“我们的文化”

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g*a
65
我们的文化里面没有宽恕????

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个不难啊,我一年给教会的十一奉献也有这个数了。给张妙他们家就说是上帝给的,
: 他们家人不用感谢我,感谢神就行了。
:
: limitation
: better

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g*a
66
说得真好。

【在 J**X 的大作中提到】
:
: 这里的恕并不是宽恕的意思。
: 《论语·卫灵公》:“子贡问曰:‘有一言而可以终身行之者乎?’
: 子曰:‘其恕乎!己所不欲,勿施于人。’”
: 所以,恕,如心也,就是推己及人将心比心。
: 另外,《论语·宪问》:“或曰:‘以德报怨何如?’
: 子曰:‘何以报德?以直报怨,以德报德。’”
: 这里说得更明白,老孔反对愚昧的无谓的宽恕,提倡的是以公正对待仇怨。
: 无条件的宽恕其实不是什么普世的人性光辉,不过是基于原始愚昧的一神教宗教教义。
: 也即人都是有原罪的,人不能审判其他人更不能判其死罪,只有上帝才是最终的裁决者

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n*d
67
杀人尝命,天经地义,怎么就这么难呢?

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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i*s
68
是你的逻辑混乱还是我的阅读理解太差?
他们好像是因为觉得死刑太便宜凶手,才寻求终身监禁的
他们寻求的是凶手一直活在自己的罪孽里,到死。

his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He
was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day
he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner.
My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not
tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my
son tried to show the world that he could win again.: On October 12, 1998,
my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and
my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded
by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All
that I have left now are the memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James
Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should
be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible
for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would
come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would
like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.: However, this is
the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused
to show any mercy...
,

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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s*n
69
是否废除死刑是咱们中国人的事,西方的观点可以参考但不是标准。
至于东西方谁更宽恕,这个问题很无聊,中国人也不是什么最富同情心最宽容的人种,
咱不能跟棒子一样在那里自己意淫。西方有十字军东征、西部拓荒,我们汉人也同样灭
绝的很多种族,比如高昌、高句丽、百济、迷唐...,大家都是半斤八两。
其实我们是太用现代人的观点去苛求古人了,古人连自己族内都没有人人平等的概念,
对于敌人当然就是要灭了他,这无可厚非...

【在 g**********a 的大作中提到】
: 听了,马修的父母确实动着宽容的光辉,演讲也很感人。
: 但是楼主你要知道,宽容是偶然的,而惩戒是必然的。如果每一个案子都要求人们去学
: 习马修父母而
: 放弃惩戒,楼主你要小心你父母的生命安全。
: 另外,说到东西方文明之间的差异,谁tm说我们中国人没有mercy谁他妈就是从屁眼里
: 生出来的拉到
: 了马桶里给屎熏坏了脑袋。中国人,是这个世界上最富有同情心最宽容的一个人种,正
: 因为这种宽容
: 已经成为本民族的特质,所以媒体鲜有报道中国人的mercy,因为那是一种自然的人性
: ,已无须刻意

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t*c
70
do it before you say it.

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个不难啊,我一年给教会的十一奉献也有这个数了。给张妙他们家就说是上帝给的,
: 他们家人不用感谢我,感谢神就行了。
:
: limitation
: better

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s*4
71
死刑的意义是让犯罪的人认识到自己的错误,并在剩下的日子里好好反思、忏悔。当一
个人的生命没有受到威胁时,是不会深刻了解到剥夺其他人的生命意味着什么的。所以
我不赞成废除死刑。
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N*a
72
楼主如果你的刚生了宝宝的老婆,人生才开始女儿,为你生活更好辛苦打工的妈妈被人
8刀残忍杀死,
你会写出这样的文章吗?
任何人这时候要求严惩凶手,都不为过。

for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2"
tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13
until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved
that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was
as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known.
On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win
again.: On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On
October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd
birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his
mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the
memories...
death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of
James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death
penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring
those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that
the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in
the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr.
McKinney.: However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To
show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
to do,
the
in

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 1998年的时候一个名叫MATTHEW SHEPARD的同性恋大男生被两个人抢劫,殴打,最后在
: 医院中死去。本来MATTHEW的父母可以寻求死刑,但是他们还是决定放弃这样做,这是
: 他们的法庭陈词。最后这两个人被判处终身监禁。
: "...My son Matthew did not look like a winner. After all, he was small for his age--weighing, at the most, 110 pounds, and standing only 5'2" tall. He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. My son--a gentle, caring soul--proved that he was as tough as, if not tougher than, anyone I have ever heard of or known. On October 6, 1998, my son tried to show the world that he could win again. On October 12, 1998, my first-born son--and my hero--lost. On October 12, my first-born son--and my hero--died 50 days before his 22nd birthday. He died quietly, surrounded by family and friends, with his mother and brother holding his hand. All that I have left now are the memories...
: Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy...
: Mr. McKinney, I'm going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do,
: because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the
: Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. Every time that you wake up in
: that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to
: stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate,

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N*a
73
这还是失误呢,你都这么纠结了,要是故意捅了8刀呢,要是你的亲人求饶还是被捅了8
刀呢?
装B被雷劈!
再说谁告诉你这样的父母在美国不少见了?多少人为了惩罚凶手告了又告呢。你站在什
么制高点替‘我们
的文化’反省?你站在什么制高点批评一对晚年丧女的老夫妇?别tmd替我们的文化丢
人了。

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个不难啊,我一年给教会的十一奉献也有这个数了。给张妙他们家就说是上帝给的,
: 他们家人不用感谢我,感谢神就行了。
:
: limitation
: better

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N*a
74
我看也想,有时候这些教徒真让人不讨厌都不行。是不是入教的都是弱智,脑残,软蛋?

【在 j*****1 的大作中提到】
: 估计楼主是个教徒。
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N*a
75
为了赚点伪币咒自己的亲人被医生治死?楼主真有牺牲精神

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 没办法啊,原来的标题是MATTHEW的父母原谅了凶手,结果没有人回贴,标题改成了张
: 妙家人学学MATTHEW的父母,立刻成为水世界十大热门话题,标题不写的耸动一些,没
: 有人注意啊。为了赚伪币,我容易吗

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N*a
76
为了赚点伪币咒自己的亲人被医生治死?楼主真有牺牲精神

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 没办法啊,原来的标题是MATTHEW的父母原谅了凶手,结果没有人回贴,标题改成了张
: 妙家人学学MATTHEW的父母,立刻成为水世界十大热门话题,标题不写的耸动一些,没
: 有人注意啊。为了赚伪币,我容易吗

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O*d
77
这个是正解。 信了耶稣就会装B。

【在 j*****1 的大作中提到】
: 估计楼主是个教徒。
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i*y
78
我的确有亲人去世,也曾经认为是医生的错.不过后来一个做医生的朋友对我说,
国内医疗体系非常黑暗,很多时候医生就处在风口浪尖上,成了矛盾的中心,直接面对
患者和家属,他做医生的时候曾经非常害怕被打,所以就来了加拿大,自此我就不在去
用仇恨的想法去想这些医生,他们也是这个很不幸体制的受害者.你可以去查查我以前
发的帖子,就会知道,我当时在未名空间发过帖子,很多非常可爱的网友给我回信给了
我很多帮助,我没有撒谎.我只是说出一种可能性,这种做法可能让很多人难以理解.
但是我觉得说出来没有什么不对.

【在 N****a 的大作中提到】
: 为了赚点伪币咒自己的亲人被医生治死?楼主真有牺牲精神
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i*y
79
耶稣是爱,如果越来越多的人接受了上帝,就不会有这么多的人做这么多伤天害理的事情.

蛋?

【在 N****a 的大作中提到】
: 我看也想,有时候这些教徒真让人不讨厌都不行。是不是入教的都是弱智,脑残,软蛋?
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g*a
80
这和药案性质差别太大了吧。

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我的确有亲人去世,也曾经认为是医生的错.不过后来一个做医生的朋友对我说,
: 国内医疗体系非常黑暗,很多时候医生就处在风口浪尖上,成了矛盾的中心,直接面对
: 患者和家属,他做医生的时候曾经非常害怕被打,所以就来了加拿大,自此我就不在去
: 用仇恨的想法去想这些医生,他们也是这个很不幸体制的受害者.你可以去查查我以前
: 发的帖子,就会知道,我当时在未名空间发过帖子,很多非常可爱的网友给我回信给了
: 我很多帮助,我没有撒谎.我只是说出一种可能性,这种做法可能让很多人难以理解.
: 但是我觉得说出来没有什么不对.

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a*c
81
圣人一般只对自己要个要求,对别人也严格要求的话那就不是圣人了。我这里圣人是褒
义词。
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g*a
82
嗯,前面一个网友说过了,无条件的宽恕体现的是宗教的神性而不是凡俗的人性,因此
是否饶恕这一点是绝对不可强求的,作为凡人,更不应当以此去judge其他凡人道德上的
高低贵贱。既然你是基督徒,我就试图用基督教的观点来和你探讨一下。
另外,我想说,耶稣真的是“唯一”的道路吗?我们的文化没有宽恕?回答这些问题,必须
了解一些教外的文化才行,当然对于一个个体来说,看到一条道路,坚持走下去,已经足
够了,所以只要能够继续信仰中获得更多的平安喜乐,不了解其他的倒也无妨。只
是如果可能的话,尽量避免不自觉地judge别人吧。这也是圣经的教诲,无奈现实中,
being judgemental 却成了很多基督徒最让他人无法接受的地方。
至于死刑的存废,当然是可以讨论的。对受害者来说,看见凶手伏诛,不见得能得到想象中
的释然。只是世俗法的公平,不仅仅体现在罪犯和受害者之间的 “以牙还牙 以眼还
眼” ,庶民和王子在法律面前也应当是平等的。在一个有死刑的法律体系里,如果变成死
刑不上大夫和衙内,那宽恕就变成了一种不公正, 是一种标榜而已,受害者的亲人也不会
得到你想象中的尊重。

事情.

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 耶稣是爱,如果越来越多的人接受了上帝,就不会有这么多的人做这么多伤天害理的事情.
:
: 蛋?

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j*b
83
宗教的神性?
有没有搞错?
美国有两个政治倾向:保守派和自由派。教棍们属于保守派,这些人可是都是支持死刑
的。

眼还
成死

【在 g**a 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,前面一个网友说过了,无条件的宽恕体现的是宗教的神性而不是凡俗的人性,因此
: 是否饶恕这一点是绝对不可强求的,作为凡人,更不应当以此去judge其他凡人道德上的
: 高低贵贱。既然你是基督徒,我就试图用基督教的观点来和你探讨一下。
: 另外,我想说,耶稣真的是“唯一”的道路吗?我们的文化没有宽恕?回答这些问题,必须
: 了解一些教外的文化才行,当然对于一个个体来说,看到一条道路,坚持走下去,已经足
: 够了,所以只要能够继续信仰中获得更多的平安喜乐,不了解其他的倒也无妨。只
: 是如果可能的话,尽量避免不自觉地judge别人吧。这也是圣经的教诲,无奈现实中,
: being judgemental 却成了很多基督徒最让他人无法接受的地方。
: 至于死刑的存废,当然是可以讨论的。对受害者来说,看见凶手伏诛,不见得能得到想象中
: 的释然。只是世俗法的公平,不仅仅体现在罪犯和受害者之间的 “以牙还牙 以眼还

avatar
i*y
84
我是个经常去教会的人,但我绝对代表不了基督徒,我有的时候有点两头不讨好的感觉
,和基督徒说让他们接纳同性恋,异教徒大概也能上天堂,基督徒很讨厌我,和非基督徒说,人应该饶恕,结果非基督徒很讨厌我。可能我就是一个人见人厌的唐僧吧,呵呵。


上的
眼还
成死

【在 g**a 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,前面一个网友说过了,无条件的宽恕体现的是宗教的神性而不是凡俗的人性,因此
: 是否饶恕这一点是绝对不可强求的,作为凡人,更不应当以此去judge其他凡人道德上的
: 高低贵贱。既然你是基督徒,我就试图用基督教的观点来和你探讨一下。
: 另外,我想说,耶稣真的是“唯一”的道路吗?我们的文化没有宽恕?回答这些问题,必须
: 了解一些教外的文化才行,当然对于一个个体来说,看到一条道路,坚持走下去,已经足
: 够了,所以只要能够继续信仰中获得更多的平安喜乐,不了解其他的倒也无妨。只
: 是如果可能的话,尽量避免不自觉地judge别人吧。这也是圣经的教诲,无奈现实中,
: being judgemental 却成了很多基督徒最让他人无法接受的地方。
: 至于死刑的存废,当然是可以讨论的。对受害者来说,看见凶手伏诛,不见得能得到想象中
: 的释然。只是世俗法的公平,不仅仅体现在罪犯和受害者之间的 “以牙还牙 以眼还

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w*i
85
别急着戴“人性的光辉”的高帽
MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母没有表达仁慈的意思,也没有宽恕凶手。

【在 c******w 的大作中提到】
: 不同的文化,不同的价值观。 可是我倒是很欣赏MATTHEW SHEPARD的父母。他们的仁慈
: 闪耀着人性的光芒。

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g*a
86
第一段并没有在说死刑的存废啊。我想说的的是,当受害方可以影响某一案件的审判时
,他们是否宽恕,属于personal
choice, 并不因此体现出道德上的高低贵贱,凡人不应当以神/圣人的标准去衡量他们

不过我有点好奇,为什么保守派支持死刑呢?

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: 宗教的神性?
: 有没有搞错?
: 美国有两个政治倾向:保守派和自由派。教棍们属于保守派,这些人可是都是支持死刑
: 的。
:
: 眼还
: 成死

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M*N
87
英文的原文怎么都看不出来有MERCY的意思啊!
另外,在中国,这个药要是没被死刑,估计10来年以后就出来了,说不定,2,3年以后
就保外就医了,那时候,再说MERCY吧。
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S*T
88
难得你还知道自己人见人厌,为啥不赶快去死让大家清静一下呢?楼主要是在北美,应
该能接触到枪支的,直接对着脑干开枪的话,还感觉不到疼就断气了,是最快最有效的。

督徒说,人应该饶恕,结果非基督徒很讨厌我。可能我就是一个人见人厌的唐僧吧,呵
呵。

【在 i*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我是个经常去教会的人,但我绝对代表不了基督徒,我有的时候有点两头不讨好的感觉
: ,和基督徒说让他们接纳同性恋,异教徒大概也能上天堂,基督徒很讨厌我,和非基督徒说,人应该饶恕,结果非基督徒很讨厌我。可能我就是一个人见人厌的唐僧吧,呵呵。
:
:
: 上的
: 眼还
: 成死

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i*y
89
没有办法,唐僧们最大的爱好就是喋喋不修的教育别人,让世界充满爱
啊,这样才觉得生命如此美好。
【 在 StupidMIT (史密斯和韦森和我) 的大作中提到: 】
的。
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