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请问一个clock generator的问题 multi-phase
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a*7
2 楼
贺当花照水妹妹拆了鹊桥，干了银河，冲得好甜一杯金风玉露！
又：古有《悯农》，今有《哭渔》，可谓相得益彰矣！
春宵苦短日高起
从此花花不早操。
举案却似千钧重，
画眉时有春风挠。
丰满千古奇玉环，
辛勤安得无细腰？
当花盈盈一照水，
渔民三年网空抛。
//别拍俺。。。
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A*u
3 楼
九州风雨由吾定
穿越千古最风流
悲喜颓狂任挥洒
捏吧捏吧又一首
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m*r
4 楼
读Bjarne Stroustrup写得The C++ programming language 是不是经常有不知所谓的
感觉。水平该怎么提高呢？
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b*f
5 楼
假如有某个frequency的clock。
Block1: 希望成产生从100MHz到700MHz的clock,比如说100, 105, 110, 115, 120,
..., 695, 700. digital来控制。
Block2:假如生成了345MHz的clock,想再把它分成32个phase，就是把一个cycle平分
成32分
请问Block1和Block2如何来实现呢?大概需要用到什么？大家给点建议也行：）
多谢！！
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c*o
6 楼
外婆了？
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N*f
7 楼
龙兄依然诗意横溢，可赞！“画眉时有春风挠”，神来之笔，确是篇中佳句，不过
“环肥”形象，似与当花mm本尊相去太远，难以同日而语，呵呵。
“春宵苦短日高起”：何不加上首句用韵，改为“春宵苦短日渐高”？
“从此花花不早操”：“花”字与后句重复，改做“佳人”如何？另外，此句千万不可
让耶兄过目，呵呵。
龙兄此篇再略改数字，就是一首通篇平仄顺畅的律诗；只是这几字恐怕不免颇费
周章。如若因词害意，则大可不必。

【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: 贺当花照水妹妹拆了鹊桥，干了银河，冲得好甜一杯金风玉露！
: 又：古有《悯农》，今有《哭渔》，可谓相得益彰矣！
: 春宵苦短日高起
: 从此花花不早操。
: 举案却似千钧重，
: 画眉时有春风挠。
: 丰满千古奇玉环，
: 辛勤安得无细腰？
: 当花盈盈一照水，
: 渔民三年网空抛。
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s*p
8 楼
略胜一室女儿呻吟

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 九州风雨由吾定
: 穿越千古最风流
: 悲喜颓狂任挥洒
: 捏吧捏吧又一首
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N*m
9 楼
那就使劲地看，可劲的看，直到看懂。

【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 读Bjarne Stroustrup写得The C++ programming language 是不是经常有不知所谓的
: 感觉。水平该怎么提高呢？
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h*t
10 楼
Block 1, you can use a relaxation oscillator. its frequency is depending on
RC. You can switch in/out capacitors digitally. The problem is you need to
trim resistor to take care of process variation, and the resistor needs to
have almost zero temperature coefficient, if you really want a precise
output frequency and also want it stable over temperature. In most design, I
doubt such requirement is really necessary. If you already have an external
clock, you can probably use PLL to do so. it is m
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a*7
12 楼

“环肥”说的不是花MM； 俺是借质问“辛勤安得无细腰？”，来夸花花的。。。
这个，呵呵，其实本来就是想打打油，所以就原句借用了长恨歌的。后来不小心写多了
，呵呵
得狼兄称赞，俺龙颜大悦啊。 俺去找一找律诗的格律，找时间推敲一下，看能不能改
成律诗，哈哈。不过象第一句全句袭用就不合适了。

【在 N****f 的大作中提到】
: 龙兄依然诗意横溢，可赞！“画眉时有春风挠”，神来之笔，确是篇中佳句，不过
: “环肥”形象，似与当花mm本尊相去太远，难以同日而语，呵呵。
: “春宵苦短日高起”：何不加上首句用韵，改为“春宵苦短日渐高”？
: “从此花花不早操”：“花”字与后句重复，改做“佳人”如何？另外，此句千万不可
: 让耶兄过目，呵呵。
: 龙兄此篇再略改数字，就是一首通篇平仄顺畅的律诗；只是这几字恐怕不免颇费
: 周章。如若因词害意，则大可不必。
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s*p
13 楼
另，你这首油了点。说人律诗油至少自己和律吧？：）

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 九州风雨由吾定
: 穿越千古最风流
: 悲喜颓狂任挥洒
: 捏吧捏吧又一首
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m*r
14 楼
就不要取笑了，已经很懊恼了。
写C++也有几年了，想系统提高一下。是不是这本书本身很晦涩! 还是本人学习方法不
对，实在想请教一下。

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 那就使劲地看，可劲的看，直到看懂。
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a*e
15 楼
找个 digital synthesier的datasheet看看
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a*7
16 楼
改了一个七律版。“当花”两字应为“中仄”，只能怪水妹妹ID取得不好了 :-(
春宵苦短日头烧，
从此佳人不早操。
举案常将琴瑟弄，
画眉时有春风挠。
玉环丰满堪奇事，
飞燕辛勤便细腰。
当花盈盈一照水，
渔民三载网空抛。
附：七律平起首句押韵。三四句、五六句需对仗。
中平中仄仄平平
中仄平平仄仄平
中仄平平平仄仄
中平中仄仄平平
中平中仄平平仄
中仄平平仄仄平
中仄平平平仄仄
中平中仄仄平平

【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
:
: “环肥”说的不是花MM； 俺是借质问“辛勤安得无细腰？”，来夸花花的。。。
: 这个，呵呵，其实本来就是想打打油，所以就原句借用了长恨歌的。后来不小心写多了
: ，呵呵
: 得狼兄称赞，俺龙颜大悦啊。 俺去找一找律诗的格律，找时间推敲一下，看能不能改
: 成律诗，哈哈。不过象第一句全句袭用就不合适了。
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A*u
17 楼
直面生活第一，体会感悟次之，诗词乃枝叶罢鸟～
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r*r
18 楼
这本书其实是写给 language designer level 的人看的,
至少要学过点 compiler, os, PL 之类的才知道他想要说什么.
如果你自己设计过一个小编程语言的话, 就更能 appreciate 他为什么
花那么大力气设计这么复杂的一个语言.
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s*p
19 楼
自我安慰，不值一哂

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 直面生活第一，体会感悟次之，诗词乃枝叶罢鸟～
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a*l
20 楼
没这么高深吧?这本书是写的好,基本上是做标准看的,那也是没办法,谁让这书是语言的
原作者写的呢?不过一般人也应该是很容易看懂的,看不懂的实在是有问题.

【在 r*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这本书其实是写给 language designer level 的人看的,
: 至少要学过点 compiler, os, PL 之类的才知道他想要说什么.
: 如果你自己设计过一个小编程语言的话, 就更能 appreciate 他为什么
: 花那么大力气设计这么复杂的一个语言.
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l*9
21 楼
楼主原来是穿越来的啊
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t*t
22 楼
这本书是不容易懂, 但是也不难懂. 你需要经常想一想. 不像scott meyers的书不太需
要想, 他都替你想好了.
(当然我不是说看meyers的书就不用想了)

【在 a****l 的大作中提到】
: 没这么高深吧?这本书是写的好,基本上是做标准看的,那也是没办法,谁让这书是语言的
: 原作者写的呢?不过一般人也应该是很容易看懂的,看不懂的实在是有问题.
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A*u
23 楼
吾不是说你（其实有点）～是昨天想写“斜雪飘如练”云云，觉得可笑，乃感～

【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 另，你这首油了点。说人律诗油至少自己和律吧？：）
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N*m
24 楼
没有任何取笑的意思啊。

【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 就不要取笑了，已经很懊恼了。
: 写C++也有几年了，想系统提高一下。是不是这本书本身很晦涩! 还是本人学习方法不
: 对，实在想请教一下。
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s*p
25 楼
那我误会啦，留与兄台自揭其短

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾不是说你（其实有点）～是昨天想写“斜雪飘如练”云云，觉得可笑，乃感～
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a*e
26 楼
我没看过英文版的，但是中文版挺好懂的。

【在 r*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这本书其实是写给 language designer level 的人看的,
: 至少要学过点 compiler, os, PL 之类的才知道他想要说什么.
: 如果你自己设计过一个小编程语言的话, 就更能 appreciate 他为什么
: 花那么大力气设计这么复杂的一个语言.
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A*u
27 楼
尔乃对号入座也～^_^

【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 那我误会啦，留与兄台自揭其短
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r*r
28 楼
要是那么好懂的话，这个版上就不会有这么多问c++的了。
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s*p
29 楼
恩，号没对准，兄台安坐

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 尔乃对号入座也～^_^
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a*n
30 楼
书读百遍，其意自现。
俺正在读第5遍... 目标是6-10遍，hehe
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A*u
31 楼
吾本镜中人
煌煌对君心
珠玉空琳琅
草木爱其真

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: 楼主原来是穿越来的啊
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g*g
32 楼
语言是个工具，整得这么复杂本身就是个大错误。

【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 书读百遍，其意自现。
: 俺正在读第5遍... 目标是6-10遍，hehe
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s*p
33 楼
兄台镜中人
仙女下凡尘

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾本镜中人
: 煌煌对君心
: 珠玉空琳琅
: 草木爱其真
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d*p
34 楼
You are so judgemental.
Language is just a tool, that's right. So complicated or simple, it is up to
who uses it.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 语言是个工具，整得这么复杂本身就是个大错误。
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A*u
35 楼
吾已占首座，兄当居次席～

【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 恩，号没对准，兄台安坐
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g*g
36 楼
Language is to make simple things simple, complicated
things possible. C++ doesn't excel in either statement.
People are forced to focus on the language, not business
logic, that's a waste of time.

to

【在 d****p 的大作中提到】
: You are so judgemental.
: Language is just a tool, that's right. So complicated or simple, it is up to
: who uses it.
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s*p
37 楼
儿女之座，兄台居首
燕赵之席，躬逢末驾

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾已占首座，兄当居次席～
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d*q
38 楼

it is one of the best c++ books i ever read...based on my experience, this
book is quite hard to follow without many years experience...

【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 读Bjarne Stroustrup写得The C++ programming language 是不是经常有不知所谓的
: 感觉。水平该怎么提高呢？
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l*9
39 楼
施主很有不平之气哪

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾本镜中人
: 煌煌对君心
: 珠玉空琳琅
: 草木爱其真
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e*d
40 楼
Doesn't C++ provide a better way to model business logic?
The tradeof of C++'s flexibility is that people need to
spend more time to master it. The downside of C++ is that
it doesn't have as many open source libraries and frameworks
as other languages such as Java.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Language is to make simple things simple, complicated
: things possible. C++ doesn't excel in either statement.
: People are forced to focus on the language, not business
: logic, that's a waste of time.
:
: to
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A*u
41 楼
吾本镜中人
仙女下凡尘
与吾结良缘
。。。

【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 兄台镜中人
: 仙女下凡尘
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g*g
42 楼
C++ will be a much better language if it doesn't try to
be compatible with C alone.

【在 e****d 的大作中提到】
: Doesn't C++ provide a better way to model business logic?
: The tradeof of C++'s flexibility is that people need to
: spend more time to master it. The downside of C++ is that
: it doesn't have as many open source libraries and frameworks
: as other languages such as Java.
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s*p
43 楼
别别，看来alter兄喜欢你不是没有理由：）

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾本镜中人
: 仙女下凡尘
: 与吾结良缘
: 。。。
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D*r
44 楼
Why? I like that. C++ is a language for system programming.
What language would you use to write JVM?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: C++ will be a much better language if it doesn't try to
: be compatible with C alone.
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A*u
45 楼
三句半
紫气自东来
不平在东阿
诗非真风骨
persona

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: 施主很有不平之气哪
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g*g
46 楼
Java can call a native function when it needs to.
But it doesn't mean you have to have C code compiled inside
Java. That's the way I would design C++, C++ is getting abused
with C compatiblity.

【在 D*****r 的大作中提到】
: Why? I like that. C++ is a language for system programming.
: What language would you use to write JVM?
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l*9
47 楼
促汝跳龙门
(参见聊斋)

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾本镜中人
: 仙女下凡尘
: 与吾结良缘
: 。。。
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e*d
48 楼
When you said C++ abusing with C compatibility, do you mean
the C++ compiler implementation or the way how developers
use C++?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Java can call a native function when it needs to.
: But it doesn't mean you have to have C code compiled inside
: Java. That's the way I would design C++, C++ is getting abused
: with C compatiblity.
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s*p
49 楼
还是丫头明事理

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: 促汝跳龙门
: (参见聊斋)
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c*b
50 楼
国内流行c++ primer plus

【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 读Bjarne Stroustrup写得The C++ programming language 是不是经常有不知所谓的
: 感觉。水平该怎么提高呢？
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A*u
51 楼
得最后一句（修订版）：
吾本镜中人
仙女下凡尘
与吾结良缘
口口口口口

【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 别别，看来alter兄喜欢你不是没有理由：）
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c*b
52 楼
其实c++ 的目的还是很明确的.比如helper operators,copy constructors等等,看得出
来c++让程序员自己定义class到自己定义operators.當然,它的堆栈的概念在c语言里就
显得很高妙. 反正看C++的书,很有兴趣.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 语言是个工具，整得这么复杂本身就是个大错误。
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A*u
53 楼
吾聪明得自天生～是不读书滴～

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: 促汝跳龙门
: (参见聊斋)
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g*g
54 楼
Both, it makes C++ compiler difficult to develop and maintain.
And of course developer abuse are more visible for individual.

【在 e****d 的大作中提到】
: When you said C++ abusing with C compatibility, do you mean
: the C++ compiler implementation or the way how developers
: use C++?
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l*9
55 楼
世间无爱亦无嗔,世人无聪亦无明,施主何必执着,哈哈

【在 A******u 的大作中提到】
: 吾聪明得自天生～是不读书滴～
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c*b
56 楼
还好了,你怎么欺负compiler她都不会打你,脾气已经够好了,比老婆还好,哈哈

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Both, it makes C++ compiler difficult to develop and maintain.
: And of course developer abuse are more visible for individual.
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A*u
57 楼
燕徒啸长剑
鸣鸣乡途长
温柔不可怀
怀之断人肠

【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 儿女之座，兄台居首
: 燕赵之席，躬逢末驾
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d*p
58 楼
So C++ is bad since
1. Its compiler is too complicated?
2. Its compability with C makes it easy for C++ coders to write bad code?
And you may need define what C++'s compability with C means.
Don't know how you get these points. Any examples?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Both, it makes C++ compiler difficult to develop and maintain.
: And of course developer abuse are more visible for individual.
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A*u
59 楼
聪在闻与不闻，明在见与不见，爱嗔本同一心，何笑执着来哉

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: 世间无爱亦无嗔,世人无聪亦无明,施主何必执着,哈哈
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e*d
60 楼
Abusing with global variables, static class data member, static
class member function ? Some examples might help explain it.

【在 d****p 的大作中提到】
: So C++ is bad since
: 1. Its compiler is too complicated?
: 2. Its compability with C makes it easy for C++ coders to write bad code?
: And you may need define what C++'s compability with C means.
: Don't know how you get these points. Any examples?
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g*g
61 楼
Well, haven't been working on C++ for very long.
But that's the feeling I got when reading BS's book.
It's like you don't actually want to use these features
although there are there. And these features being the
C stuff.

【在 d****p 的大作中提到】
: So C++ is bad since
: 1. Its compiler is too complicated?
: 2. Its compability with C makes it easy for C++ coders to write bad code?
: And you may need define what C++'s compability with C means.
: Don't know how you get these points. Any examples?
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d*p
62 楼
Agree that C++ coders may need to be aware of C stuff.
But that's all. Like coders using other languages, C++ coders spend most of
their time on meetings, bug fixes, reading other peoples' code, and debating
with Java guys why C++ is not bad :-) To me, C++ is on the right track by
incorporating high level stuff like Boost into standard/practise. I don't
see the commonly claimed C++ badies happen to me or people around me - a few
years' experience willmake you a good C++ coder, and there is no shortcut
to become a good coder by selecting specific languages.
C++'s compiler is indeed complicated but that's why C++ coders can enjoy the
ability to control resource and language constructs to perform high level
stuff like design. It is not a perfect language but it does provide power
for certain cases.
You are a veteran coder and pls don't provide misleading information on C++
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T*x
63 楼
还是同意goodbug多一点。

most of
debating
track by
don't
a few
shortcut
enjoy the
level

【在 d****p 的大作中提到】
: Agree that C++ coders may need to be aware of C stuff.
: But that's all. Like coders using other languages, C++ coders spend most of
: their time on meetings, bug fixes, reading other peoples' code, and debating
: with Java guys why C++ is not bad :-) To me, C++ is on the right track by
: incorporating high level stuff like Boost into standard/practise. I don't
: see the commonly claimed C++ badies happen to me or people around me - a few
: years' experience willmake you a good C++ coder, and there is no shortcut
: to become a good coder by selecting specific languages.
: C++'s compiler is indeed complicated but that's why C++ coders can enjoy the
: ability to control resource and language constructs to perform high level
avatar
N*m
64 楼
致命的是C++开发太慢了，大多数场景下面C++性价比太差。
所以如果没有C++情结的话，建议学/用C#，效率高多了。

of
debating
few
the

【在 d****p 的大作中提到】
: Agree that C++ coders may need to be aware of C stuff.
: But that's all. Like coders using other languages, C++ coders spend most of
: their time on meetings, bug fixes, reading other peoples' code, and debating
: with Java guys why C++ is not bad :-) To me, C++ is on the right track by
: incorporating high level stuff like Boost into standard/practise. I don't
: see the commonly claimed C++ badies happen to me or people around me - a few
: years' experience willmake you a good C++ coder, and there is no shortcut
: to become a good coder by selecting specific languages.
: C++'s compiler is indeed complicated but that's why C++ coders can enjoy the
: ability to control resource and language constructs to perform high level
avatar
r*r
65 楼
and get stuck with windows/microsoft?

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 致命的是C++开发太慢了，大多数场景下面C++性价比太差。
: 所以如果没有C++情结的话，建议学/用C#，效率高多了。
:
: of
: debating
: few
: the
avatar
e*d
66 楼
Sometimes, meeting some critical performance requirements
is more important than short development cycle. C++ will
be a perfect fit for this.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 致命的是C++开发太慢了，大多数场景下面C++性价比太差。
: 所以如果没有C++情结的话，建议学/用C#，效率高多了。
:
: of
: debating
: few
: the
avatar
s*o
67 楼
你自己不是在玩java吗，你到底哪头的:)

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 致命的是C++开发太慢了，大多数场景下面C++性价比太差。
: 所以如果没有C++情结的话，建议学/用C#，效率高多了。
:
: of
: debating
: few
: the
avatar
r*r
68 楼
i often write in python. with all its libraries,
it's extremely fast to implement a system.
for the critical parts, they can be swapped out with
c++ code.
avatar
N*m
69 楼
现在工作还没着落，哪一个都得玩：）

【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不是在玩java吗，你到底哪头的:)
avatar
N*m
70 楼
at least you can use java then.

【在 r*********r 的大作中提到】
: and get stuck with windows/microsoft?
avatar
D*a
71 楼
that's how we C++ programmers keep our jobs. Higher pay than java guys and
less productive work. Long live C++ hahaha!
but yes, we C++ programmers need to learn java/c# now because more and more
people hate C++ now. so one day it will become something like cobol.
oh, wait, I thought who knows cobol these days got the highest paid since
banks need them to maintain the legacy systems?

of
debating
few
the

【在 d****p 的大作中提到】
: Agree that C++ coders may need to be aware of C stuff.
: But that's all. Like coders using other languages, C++ coders spend most of
: their time on meetings, bug fixes, reading other peoples' code, and debating
: with Java guys why C++ is not bad :-) To me, C++ is on the right track by
: incorporating high level stuff like Boost into standard/practise. I don't
: see the commonly claimed C++ badies happen to me or people around me - a few
: years' experience willmake you a good C++ coder, and there is no shortcut
: to become a good coder by selecting specific languages.
: C++'s compiler is indeed complicated but that's why C++ coders can enjoy the
: ability to control resource and language constructs to perform high level
avatar
r*r
72 楼
even worse: sun is already dead. oracle is kinda a wild card.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: at least you can use java then.
avatar
N*m
73 楼
That's just your personal point of view.

【在 r*********r 的大作中提到】
: even worse: sun is already dead. oracle is kinda a wild card.
avatar
N*m
74 楼
cobol got less pay even than c#.

more

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: that's how we C++ programmers keep our jobs. Higher pay than java guys and
: less productive work. Long live C++ hahaha!
: but yes, we C++ programmers need to learn java/c# now because more and more
: people hate C++ now. so one day it will become something like cobol.
: oh, wait, I thought who knows cobol these days got the highest paid since
: banks need them to maintain the legacy systems?
:
: of
: debating
: few
avatar
D*a
75 楼
you sure? given the vast supply of Indian C# programmers...

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: cobol got less pay even than c#.
:
: more
avatar
s*o
76 楼
why do people hate C++? but it seems it is the trend according to this:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.htm

and
more
since

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: that's how we C++ programmers keep our jobs. Higher pay than java guys and
: less productive work. Long live C++ hahaha!
: but yes, we C++ programmers need to learn java/c# now because more and more
: people hate C++ now. so one day it will become something like cobol.
: oh, wait, I thought who knows cobol these days got the highest paid since
: banks need them to maintain the legacy systems?
:
: of
: debating
: few
avatar
N*m
78 楼
according to simplyhired.com,
average cobol pay is 68K,
c# is 75K, java is 78K, c++ is 80k, j2ee is 80k.

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: you sure? given the vast supply of Indian C# programmers...
avatar
D*a
79 楼
thanks for the education

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: according to simplyhired.com,
: average cobol pay is 68K,
: c# is 75K, java is 78K, c++ is 80k, j2ee is 80k.
avatar
N*m
80 楼
and actually j2ee is 81k.
but a few K doesn't matter.

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: thanks for the education
avatar
D*a
81 楼
that's why goodbug is so tenacious.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: and actually j2ee is 81k.
: but a few K doesn't matter.
avatar
N*m
82 楼
最终scripting language will dominate.
其他像C++,java什么的终将是昨日黄花。

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: that's why goodbug is so tenacious.
avatar
e*d
83 楼
Some interesting data, not sure whether it's out of dated or not.
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 最终scripting language will dominate.
: 其他像C++,java什么的终将是昨日黄花。
avatar
D*a
84 楼
I can't hate scripts more. not read-able. no type checking. bugs everywhere.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 最终scripting language will dominate.
: 其他像C++,java什么的终将是昨日黄花。
avatar
r*r
85 楼
what is this? for fresh undergraduates? sounds pretty low.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: according to simplyhired.com,
: average cobol pay is 68K,
: c# is 75K, java is 78K, c++ is 80k, j2ee is 80k.
avatar
s*o
86 楼
LOL

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: that's why goodbug is so tenacious.
avatar
s*o
87 楼
Hopefully M$ will do something in the next release of Visual Studio since
their "strategy has shifted..."

everywhere.

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: I can't hate scripts more. not read-able. no type checking. bugs everywhere.
avatar
r*r
88 楼
python 3 has type annotation. it's not for type checking,
just for documentation purpose.
on the other hand, the new c++ will have auto var, which doesn't
have explicit type declarations.

everywhere.

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: I can't hate scripts more. not read-able. no type checking. bugs everywhere.
avatar
D*a
89 楼
I've burned by python as someone inadvertently switched the order of
parameters in a function call. took a long time to figure out the bug. this
will not happen in other strongly-typed languages.
var is ok because basically the compiler will resolve the type for you, just
like C#. Sometimes it gives trouble though, especially in LINQ in C#.

【在 r*********r 的大作中提到】
: python 3 has type annotation. it's not for type checking,
: just for documentation purpose.
: on the other hand, the new c++ will have auto var, which doesn't
: have explicit type declarations.
:
: everywhere.
avatar
N*m
90 楼
You are just arguing on the wrong side. remember:nothing is perfect.

this
just

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: I've burned by python as someone inadvertently switched the order of
: parameters in a function call. took a long time to figure out the bug. this
: will not happen in other strongly-typed languages.
: var is ok because basically the compiler will resolve the type for you, just
: like C#. Sometimes it gives trouble though, especially in LINQ in C#.
avatar
N*m
91 楼
C++ is not designed to be a perfect language, neither is jave, python,
they are just practical tools. so just pick up the one that you feel handy.
If you just want to find a job, there is really no need to discuss more
on this.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: You are just arguing on the wrong side. remember:nothing is perfect.
:
: this
: just
avatar
l*e
92 楼
不错，你这个初学者能有这个见识比很多老鸟强

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: C++ is not designed to be a perfect language, neither is jave, python,
: they are just practical tools. so just pick up the one that you feel handy.
: If you just want to find a job, there is really no need to discuss more
: on this.
avatar
g*g
93 楼
I don't want to make this another C++ vs. Java thread,
I am merely saying C++ will be better off if it doesn't try
to make C first class citizen. Strictly requiring it to be
called as external functions wrapped in certain class
will make C++ code much cleaner and consistent in OO sense.
Why do you need things like void*, char*, global function in
C++? #Define is often abused too. And there's no such things
like good C++ coders don't do that. There are always more
bad coders than good coders in every language domain. Once
you open the Pandora box, you invite evil.
I understand it's too late to make that kind of change due
to legacy reason. But it's safe to say BS had a bad choice there.

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: that's why goodbug is so tenacious.
avatar
r*r
94 楼
object-oriented is overrated.
avatar
r*r
95 楼
python, c++, javascript, SQL, R, latex pretty much cover all i use.
they are all standard, free, open.
would never use proprietary languages like java, c#, vb, matlab.

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: C++ is not designed to be a perfect language, neither is jave, python,
: they are just practical tools. so just pick up the one that you feel handy.
: If you just want to find a job, there is really no need to discuss more
: on this.
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