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A layback introvert for a law career?# Law - 律师事务所
t*n
1 楼
As odd as it seems, I, with a layback introvert personality, always want to
become a lawyer ever since high school. There are two reasons I like to
become a lawyer: I like to argue and I believe in laws. However， I do have
doubts about my odds of success primary because of my personality besides
the usual worries about being a non-native English speaker. So, I am here,
confused and hoping if anyone of you who had been there can give me some
advices.
Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-social, mayb
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C*e
2 楼
能去药学院为什么要来法学院受苦？
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n*d
3 楼
那能说说到底什么样的适合读法学院？除了对法律感兴趣，想将来多挣钱之外。。特别
是中国人，因为有些出路（比如从政）基本上是没有了。

portion
fits
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C*e
4 楼
同意。如果“LSAT高5-8分,GPA高0.2-0.3”，上法学院前的任何学位经历基本都没有关
系，选择多得眼花缭乱。
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n*d
5 楼
请教你是不是正在读法学院？ 可不可以问一下到底有多辛苦？另外中国学生比例上多
不多？一般年龄上会不会偏大一些（因为猜一般会是established)..还有就是中国学生
就业情况怎么样？先谢了。

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 能去药学院为什么要来法学院受苦？
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t*n
6 楼
More questions on the PhD part: Is it only because the PhD degree is more
marketable or they may view it as negative because I didn't finish my PhD
program? Will all the good jobs be taken by the PhD/JDs or will there be
some left since it is still relatively rare for this combination?

you
position.
under
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o*e
7 楼
Successful lawyers never argue, they persuade. And whether one believes in
law is more or less irrelevant, it's how one profits from law that matters.
Pharmacy school is a much better choice for you.
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d*o
8 楼
What is a high-maintenance wife?
I have a family and two kids, daily commute of >1hr oneway. Two years ago I
posted a Washington Post article here (the article was published on Oct. 22,
2004), about a George Mason law student, who had 4 kids and gave birth to
the 5th during law school, she had the highest grade in her class.
"On top of these, I
have a kid and a high-maintenance wife, which translate into that I can
only devote 60-70 hrs to my study and future work. Will that amount time be
enoug
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n*e
9 楼
I always think it's a misconcept (a commonly held one though) that lawyers
have to be argumentive/talktive/agressive. Good lawyers are very careful
about what they said, i supposed? plus oral argument is a very small portion
, if not at all, of an average lawyer's practice. I feel the steorotype fits
B-school ppl better, just from my personal experience. (not that there's
anything wrong with it)

to
have
't

【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: As odd as it seems, I, with a layback introvert personality, always want to
: become a lawyer ever since high school. There are two reasons I like to
: become a lawyer: I like to argue and I believe in laws. However， I do have
: doubts about my odds of success primary because of my personality besides
: the usual worries about being a non-native English speaker. So, I am here,
: confused and hoping if anyone of you who had been there can give me some
: advices.
: Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-social, mayb
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n*d
10 楼
好多人读法学院是觉得upside比较好吧，无论money还是career上，不过门槛是挺高的

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 同意。如果“LSAT高5-8分,GPA高0.2-0.3”，上法学院前的任何学位经历基本都没有关
: 系，选择多得眼花缭乱。
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p*y
11 楼
Hey. I was asking the same question. I went ahead to read the following
books. You might find some information there. That aside, your English is
beautiful. Amazing it's from a scientist, and a Chinese scientist.
1) ISBN: 0940675579 Should you really be a lawyer
2) ISBN: 0940675560 Running from the Law
3) ISBN: 0967016509 The Happy Lawyer
4) ISBN: 0809225085 Transforming Practices: Finding Joy and Satisfaction...
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d*o
12 楼
有点夸张了. MS和PHD有一些区别,但是一切都在于GPA. 我认识的中国同学,理科较偏僻
专业的MS一样去前十名的FIRM. INTERVIEW我的人也有一些是生物或者生化的MS.
我觉得,作为入学前的考虑,楼主提到的那个关于LSAT分数的衡量更有道理.当然LSAT的
分数是可以提高的.

be

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 同意。如果“LSAT高5-8分,GPA高0.2-0.3”，上法学院前的任何学位经历基本都没有关
: 系，选择多得眼花缭乱。
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t*n
13 楼
多谢evita，oheme, Lhand, damamdamao, cambrige...这几天我对走这条路要面对的困
难了解的更多了，也考虑到了很多以前没有注意的方面。不管我最后的决定是什么都谢
谢你们。其实我并不是特别想做IP，我最感兴趣的是最不可能做的civil right :-) 另
外我有国际贸易的经验，这个方面可能也是个选择。我会好好看看你们推荐的书，并且
好好把太太和孩子的病治治，看看将来太太是不是可以只做part-time...再次谢谢大家
，我有了决定一定会上来告诉一下大家。
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d*o
14 楼
啊,原来是这样. 抱歉阿.
过一两天,等我有时间了,写一下我考Patent bar的经验教训
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O*g
15 楼
I am reading "Skadden: Power, Money, and the Rise of a Legal Empire"
these days. Recommend it to anyone who is interested in how a law
firm operates, and the culture of a BigLaw embodies.

for

【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: 多谢evita，oheme, Lhand, damamdamao, cambrige...这几天我对走这条路要面对的困
: 难了解的更多了，也考虑到了很多以前没有注意的方面。不管我最后的决定是什么都谢
: 谢你们。其实我并不是特别想做IP，我最感兴趣的是最不可能做的civil right :-) 另
: 外我有国际贸易的经验，这个方面可能也是个选择。我会好好看看你们推荐的书，并且
: 好好把太太和孩子的病治治，看看将来太太是不是可以只做part-time...再次谢谢大家
: ，我有了决定一定会上来告诉一下大家。
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L*d
16 楼
Good for you:)

【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: I am reading "Skadden: Power, Money, and the Rise of a Legal Empire"
: these days. Recommend it to anyone who is interested in how a law
: firm operates, and the culture of a BigLaw embodies.
:
: for
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L*d
17 楼
Although one can pretty much make the legal career a rewarding one however
his current situation is, based on the information you provided, I have to
second otheme on this: pharmacy school is a better choice for you.
The two principal reasons are:
1. Assuming you want to do patent law, being a scientist, the fact that you
don't have a PhD degree will instantly put you at a disadvantageous position.
2. Law firms are a swim-or-sink environment. Inevitably, you will be under
enormous pressure. If

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Successful lawyers never argue, they persuade. And whether one believes in
: law is more or less irrelevant, it's how one profits from law that matters.
: Pharmacy school is a much better choice for you.
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t*n
18 楼
That really sucks. Why do they think people without a PhD can't understand
the inventions? I probably know more techniques than most fresh PhDs.

be

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 同意。如果“LSAT高5-8分,GPA高0.2-0.3”，上法学院前的任何学位经历基本都没有关
: 系，选择多得眼花缭乱。
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t*n
19 楼
Interest, upside, better career oppurtunity in China.

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 能去药学院为什么要来法学院受苦？
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C*e
20 楼
法学院虽然挺好，但是肯定不如药学院就业情况好。药剂师目前是供不应求，而律师是
供过于求。
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d*o
21 楼
What is a high-maintenance wife?
I have a family and two kids, daily commute of >1hr oneway. Two years ago I
posted a Washington Post article here (the article was published on Oct. 22,
2004), about a George Mason law student, who had 4 kids and gave birth to
the 5th during law school, she had the highest grade in her class.
"On top of these, I
have a kid and a high-maintenance wife, which translate into that I can
only devote 60-70 hrs to my study and future work. Will that amount time be
enoug
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t*n
22 楼
That's really comforting. I scored a little over 160 on my first try on LSAT
(at home, not under a ideal situation also). I feel I have a legitimate
shot at 170 next June. If I spend about 15-20hrs a week on it till June,
would you think that score will be significantly inflated for the aptitude
test purpose?

【在 d********o 的大作中提到】
: 有点夸张了. MS和PHD有一些区别,但是一切都在于GPA. 我认识的中国同学,理科较偏僻
: 专业的MS一样去前十名的FIRM. INTERVIEW我的人也有一些是生物或者生化的MS.
: 我觉得,作为入学前的考虑,楼主提到的那个关于LSAT分数的衡量更有道理.当然LSAT的
: 分数是可以提高的.
:
: be
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t*n
23 楼
I am very splitted between these two choices also. A friend of mine suggests
that I should also use LSAT as a aptitude test rather than just an entrance
test. He basically thinks that I should go for it if I score 170+ and
forget about it if I score under 165. Any comments on his theory?

you
position.
under
[09/21 09:34:32 9106 2] qoqo Del 'Motorola internship opportunities (转载)' on 'Florida'
[09/21 09:34:32 9106 2] qoqo Del 'Do u wanna be more cool or sexy?' on 'Florida'
[09/21 09:34:32 91

【在 L***d 的大作中提到】
: Although one can pretty much make the legal career a rewarding one however
: his current situation is, based on the information you provided, I have to
: second otheme on this: pharmacy school is a better choice for you.
: The two principal reasons are:
: 1. Assuming you want to do patent law, being a scientist, the fact that you
: don't have a PhD degree will instantly put you at a disadvantageous position.
: 2. Law firms are a swim-or-sink environment. Inevitably, you will be under
: enormous pressure. If
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C*e
24 楼
法学院虽然挺好，但是肯定不如药学院就业情况好。药剂师目前是供不应求，而律师是
供过于求。
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L*d
25 楼
Good for you:)

【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: I am reading "Skadden: Power, Money, and the Rise of a Legal Empire"
: these days. Recommend it to anyone who is interested in how a law
: firm operates, and the culture of a BigLaw embodies.
:
: for
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d*o
26 楼
啊,原来是这样. 抱歉阿.
过一两天,等我有时间了,写一下我考Patent bar的经验教训
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C*e
27 楼
能去药学院为什么要来法学院受苦？
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o*e
28 楼
Successful lawyers never argue, they persuade. And whether one believes in
law is more or less irrelevant, it's how one profits from law that matters.
Pharmacy school is a much better choice for you.
avatar
t*n
29 楼
Interest, upside, better career oppurtunity in China.

【在 C*******e 的大作中提到】
: 能去药学院为什么要来法学院受苦？
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t*n
30 楼
I am very splitted between these two choices also. A friend of mine suggests
that I should also use LSAT as a aptitude test rather than just an entrance
test. He basically thinks that I should go for it if I score 170+ and
forget about it if I score under 165. Any comments on his theory?

you
position.
under
[09/21 09:34:32 9106 2] qoqo Del 'Motorola internship opportunities (转载)' on 'Florida'
[09/21 09:34:32 9106 2] qoqo Del 'Do u wanna be more cool or sexy?' on 'Florida'
[09/21 09:34:32 91

【在 L***d 的大作中提到】
: Although one can pretty much make the legal career a rewarding one however
: his current situation is, based on the information you provided, I have to
: second otheme on this: pharmacy school is a better choice for you.
: The two principal reasons are:
: 1. Assuming you want to do patent law, being a scientist, the fact that you
: don't have a PhD degree will instantly put you at a disadvantageous position.
: 2. Law firms are a swim-or-sink environment. Inevitably, you will be under
: enormous pressure. If
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d*o
31 楼
What is a high-maintenance wife?
I have a family and two kids, daily commute of >1hr oneway. Two years ago I
posted a Washington Post article here (the article was published on Oct. 22,
2004), about a George Mason law student, who had 4 kids and gave birth to
the 5th during law school, she had the highest grade in her class.
"On top of these, I
have a kid and a high-maintenance wife, which translate into that I can
only devote 60-70 hrs to my study and future work. Will that amount time be
enoug
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e*a
32 楼
不知道别人怎麽样啊，就说说我自己的情况吧。三四十名的学校，工科背景，英语跟广
大留学生比呢比上不足，比下有余（可能还偏下多一些），性格绝对算内向的，我不觉
得法学院非常难念，一周60小时绝对能很好成绩的读下来（如果你不是像我一样经常一
边看书一边上网的话）。这一两年市场非常好，我们学校的成绩中等偏上的一般都能找
到大所的工作。但是的确bio领域的IP如果没有PHD的话会比较难因为所有的candidates
都是PHD，你说employer会怎麽选。当然你打算做litigation的话学位就不是问题了，
但是litigation对于你的个人情况来说更不太现实。我建议呢就是找IP boutique一般
会让你什莫都做，你进去以后只要能证明你能写专利，学位就不再是什莫大问题了。
我非常同情你太太，希望她早日康复。我觉得你英语不是太差的活（如果第一次LSAT就
能上160，那简直是很好了），法学院一定是能读得下来的，工作也是一定能找到的（
如果市场不再crash一次的话），但是最大的问题时以后的工作。你得问问你太太以后
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t*n
33 楼
没事儿。知道你是大牛，就等你的文章了。

【在 d********o 的大作中提到】
: 啊,原来是这样. 抱歉阿.
: 过一两天,等我有时间了,写一下我考Patent bar的经验教训
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