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i*n2003-11-20 08:11

1 楼

拿到了phd, 才终于明白自己不喜欢作research.琢磨着度一个JD.我吧，英语应该算可以
，也能静下心来读书，也不怕说话，自个觉得会enjoy读JD的。可是，我从现在开始准备
，考明年的LSAT,然后申请，也要到后年才能入学乐。就算一切超顺利，lsat 180, top
10 law school(俺只是打个比方啊,别扁我), 那时候我也三十的人了, 等于要放弃前半生
的所有从新开始,我就想有没有过来人给个话儿,这末做,值么??

z*i2003-11-20 08:11

2 楼

if you really like it, then it might be worth it to get a JD. but your PHD is
totally a waste.

以
备
生

【在 i*********n 的大作中提到】

: 拿到了phd, 才终于明白自己不喜欢作research.琢磨着度一个JD.我吧，英语应该算可以
: ，也能静下心来读书，也不怕说话，自个觉得会enjoy读JD的。可是，我从现在开始准备
: ，考明年的LSAT,然后申请，也要到后年才能入学乐。就算一切超顺利，lsat 180, top
: 10 law school(俺只是打个比方啊,别扁我), 那时候我也三十的人了, 等于要放弃前半生
: 的所有从新开始,我就想有没有过来人给个话儿,这末做,值么??

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

3 楼

It depends on your PhD major.

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生

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i*n2003-11-20 08:11

4 楼

怎么讲？我是bio.

可
准
top
半

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: It depends on your PhD major.
:
: 以
: 备
: 生

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

5 楼

Then a JD is worth it. You will make at least $125k after JD, if not more.
So instead of spending 3 years doing a postdoc, using that time to get a JD
gives a much higher return.
For now, the best route is to get a technology specialisit position in an IP
firm, get an H1B and green card (if possible) while doing the LSAT and
application, take the patent bar, and then go to law school. It's much more
rewarding than staying in the bio research path.
And you won't give up all the scientific crede

【在 i*********n 的大作中提到】

: 怎么讲？我是bio.
:
: 可
: 准
: top
: 半

w*h2003-11-20 08:11

6 楼

What? what? why when someone mentions JD,suggestions always refer to IP,
patent? I totally agree that IP rewards you more money, but dealing with
papers every day and sitting in the bottorm of a strictly-structured big firm
is meanless. why not try other fields, something like insurance, taxation,
family law, personal injury, health malpractice......

该
开
180,
弃

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: Then a JD is worth it. You will make at least $125k after JD, if not more.
: So instead of spending 3 years doing a postdoc, using that time to get a JD
: gives a much higher return.
: For now, the best route is to get a technology specialisit position in an IP
: firm, get an H1B and green card (if possible) while doing the LSAT and
: application, take the patent bar, and then go to law school. It's much more
: rewarding than staying in the bio research path.
: And you won't give up all the scientific crede

i*n2003-11-20 08:11

7 楼

hey otheme, u r a nice guy, thanks a lot for ur advice. lsat180 is just a
joke,
but 170 should not be a problem with 2-3 months' preparation. to make sure, i
want
to take both teh Feb and June test, can i ask them to send the higher score of
the 2, or r they just gonna give the latest one?

该
开
180,
弃

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o*e2003-11-20 08:11

8 楼

Don't argue with me, argue with the facts.
bio PhD in family law or personal injury? just the sound of it scares me.

firm
more.
JD
IP
more
from
应
在
放

【在 w******h 的大作中提到】

: What? what? why when someone mentions JD,suggestions always refer to IP,
: patent? I totally agree that IP rewards you more money, but dealing with
: papers every day and sitting in the bottorm of a strictly-structured big firm
: is meanless. why not try other fields, something like insurance, taxation,
: family law, personal injury, health malpractice......
:
: 该
: 开
: 180,
: 弃

i*n2003-11-20 08:11

9 楼

well, if i'd like to keep the chance to work back in china, what is the better
field?
it's always exciting to try sth new, u know... :-)

an
语
现

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: Don't argue with me, argue with the facts.
: bio PhD in family law or personal injury? just the sound of it scares me.
:
: firm
: more.
: JD
: IP
: more
: from
: 应

w*h2003-11-20 08:11

10 楼

no, no, you misunderstand me. No one requires that guy keep his PhD
credentials, right?

an
语
现

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: Don't argue with me, argue with the facts.
: bio PhD in family law or personal injury? just the sound of it scares me.
:
: firm
: more.
: JD
: IP
: more
: from
: 应

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

11 楼

If I were you, I would shoot for the June LSAT test. Right now, I would focus
on finding an IP-related job first. Once you land the job, have a feel of
what's going on, that will give you a lot of security.
Then by next march or april, you can worry about LSAT. The application
process is not very controllable by you, but the job search is. Once you have
a job, everything else can be negotiated. But if you just jump ahead and
start preparing for the LSAT right now, it will put you in a disa

【在 i*********n 的大作中提到】

: hey otheme, u r a nice guy, thanks a lot for ur advice. lsat180 is just a
: joke,
: but 170 should not be a problem with 2-3 months' preparation. to make sure, i
: want
: to take both teh Feb and June test, can i ask them to send the higher score of
: the 2, or r they just gonna give the latest one?
:
: 该
: 开
: 180,

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

12 楼

we need to understand the mentality of recruiters. a bio PhD on your resume,
if you are looking for family law, etc., will ~work against~ you, not for you.
it means "i didn't know what i want for my life, and i had to switch to law
because i can't find a job." this is a big red light, a sign that you can't
focus on what you are doing.

taxation,
a
much
英

【在 w******h 的大作中提到】

: no, no, you misunderstand me. No one requires that guy keep his PhD
: credentials, right?
:
: an
: 语
: 现

m*s2003-11-20 08:11

13 楼

maybe it has to do with the school. If one's law school is ranked not too
high, and this person has a tech/science backgroud, then maybe IP is the only
good option. But if the school is top 14, then maybe there are other options,
say corporate, or tax law, like the lady upstairs.

an
语
现

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: Don't argue with me, argue with the facts.
: bio PhD in family law or personal injury? just the sound of it scares me.
:
: firm
: more.
: JD
: IP
: more
: from
: 应

m*s2003-11-20 08:11

14 楼

I think they send all the score, just like GRE, isn't it? and different
school has different policies, some take the average, some take the highest,
some take the first one..............

i
of
more.
JD
IP
more
from
应
在
放

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w*h2003-11-20 08:11

15 楼

No intentional offense:
I think you guy are too stubborn on how to get a job. Why do you always bind
yourself with your past? No one would be stupid enough not explaing why he
switches from a PhD to JD and no one will be stupid enough and tell the
recuiter that "hay, I got troubles with PhD, so I change to JD"....am I right?

resume,
you.
me.
IP,
with
big
not
get
in
and
obtained
the

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: we need to understand the mentality of recruiters. a bio PhD on your resume,
: if you are looking for family law, etc., will ~work against~ you, not for you.
: it means "i didn't know what i want for my life, and i had to switch to law
: because i can't find a job." this is a big red light, a sign that you can't
: focus on what you are doing.
:
: taxation,
: a
: much
: 英

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

16 楼

school ranking is the number one guarantee for high income for JDs, this is
undisputed fact.
for LLMs, I don't know. but from what icejelly said, she was the only one to
land a job among all harvard LLMs -- does that say something about Harvard
LLMs? -- if you are an LLM, even being in Harvard doesn't help much, it's your
past work experience that makes the call.
the controlling factor in icejelly's success, is not her grades, or school
ranking based on what she told us. it's her international

【在 m********s 的大作中提到】

: maybe it has to do with the school. If one's law school is ranked not too
: high, and this person has a tech/science backgroud, then maybe IP is the only
: good option. But if the school is top 14, then maybe there are other options,
: say corporate, or tax law, like the lady upstairs.
:
: an
: 语
: 现

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

17 楼

because for a stanger who has never met you, you are your past, and lawyers
base their judgments on facts, not arguments.

bind
right?
law
can't

【在 w******h 的大作中提到】

: No intentional offense:
: I think you guy are too stubborn on how to get a job. Why do you always bind
: yourself with your past? No one would be stupid enough not explaing why he
: switches from a PhD to JD and no one will be stupid enough and tell the
: recuiter that "hay, I got troubles with PhD, so I change to JD"....am I right?
:
: resume,
: you.
: me.
: IP,

m*s2003-11-20 08:11

18 楼

really? when she said "90%以上的Chinese LLMs都不能在美国找到工作", i thought
she meant all the LLM in US, maybe I interpreted them wrong.
I am very impressed by her, get into Harvard and land a such good job in this
economy.

your
her
me.
IP,
with
big
not
get
in
and

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: school ranking is the number one guarantee for high income for JDs, this is
: undisputed fact.
: for LLMs, I don't know. but from what icejelly said, she was the only one to
: land a job among all harvard LLMs -- does that say something about Harvard
: LLMs? -- if you are an LLM, even being in Harvard doesn't help much, it's your
: past work experience that makes the call.
: the controlling factor in icejelly's success, is not her grades, or school
: ranking based on what she told us. it's her international

i*n2003-11-20 08:11

19 楼

im not following u guys.
just in my case, i actually had a pretty successful phd experience with good
publication records. im not worried that sb'd think im a loser kind. now, is
this bit of personal history a plus or minus for my future legal career, say
if im not going to the ip field? just curious.

think

【在 m********s 的大作中提到】

: really? when she said "90%以上的Chinese LLMs都不能在美国找到工作", i thought
: she meant all the LLM in US, maybe I interpreted them wrong.
: I am very impressed by her, get into Harvard and land a such good job in this
: economy.
:
: your
: her
: me.
: IP,
: with

m*s2003-11-20 08:11

20 楼

I don't think it will be that big of a minus, if it's any. If everything
being equal, it might even means you are more disciplined than the next guy.
I read about a guy, who has a PhD in Literature, went to a not very good
school, and then gotten a Yale LLM, now is a law school professor. So in my
opinion, having a PhD won't hurt/help you very much. There are other stuff
which are way more important than this.

【在 i*********n 的大作中提到】

: im not following u guys.
: just in my case, i actually had a pretty successful phd experience with good
: publication records. im not worried that sb'd think im a loser kind. now, is
: this bit of personal history a plus or minus for my future legal career, say
: if im not going to the ip field? just curious.
:
: think

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

21 楼

your bio phd is a ticket to $$$ if you are in for IP, it's not useful for
other non-technical, non-business related law such as family law, personal
injuries, or criminal.
You will be hot commodity here in the US, not China. IP in China is virtually
non-existent, the money is simply not there yet. this is especially true for
bio.
Besides IP, your PhD might help you if you go into corporate law or taxation,
but to what degree, I don't know. Also, you can't use your PhD as an edge to
beat othe

【在 i*********n 的大作中提到】

w*h2003-11-20 08:11

22 楼

No offense first.
But reading your agures gives me an impression that you sound like a Godfather
and always gave a "absolute" answer. did you experience all what you have
suggested here?
I am not a lawyer, nor a law student, but I did some research on the outcomes
and found the situation is not like what you speculate. I agree that school
ranking is important, but not the determining factor. if you are interesting,
you can go to www.hg.org you can found that the salary is not always linked
with

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

23 楼

regarding the salaries of top ranking schools, there are plenty of folks here
who are qualified to tell about this. my point is that law school ranking is
very important, but it's not the only way. Which way will work for you depends
on individual cases.
regarding PhD+IP, my short answer to your question is "yes".
have you noticed that whenever someone shows $ numbers, people listen? that's
how I draw my conclusions.

Godfather
outcomes
interesting,
is
to
too

【在 w******h 的大作中提到】

: No offense first.
: But reading your agures gives me an impression that you sound like a Godfather
: and always gave a "absolute" answer. did you experience all what you have
: suggested here?
: I am not a lawyer, nor a law student, but I did some research on the outcomes
: and found the situation is not like what you speculate. I agree that school
: ranking is important, but not the determining factor. if you are interesting,
: you can go to www.hg.org you can found that the salary is not always linked
: with

w*h2003-11-20 08:11

24 楼

here
depends
That's definately right. So, for everyone who wants to go to law school, do
not be scared by the high standard set here (something lSAT>170). you can find
your own way!
Oh, I see, you are not a JD, but doing IP. Congratulations!
I do not see what's your meaning.
that's
school
linked
one
Harvard
it's
school
and
crafted

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: regarding the salaries of top ranking schools, there are plenty of folks here
: who are qualified to tell about this. my point is that law school ranking is
: very important, but it's not the only way. Which way will work for you depends
: on individual cases.
: regarding PhD+IP, my short answer to your question is "yes".
: have you noticed that whenever someone shows $ numbers, people listen? that's
: how I draw my conclusions.
:
: Godfather
: outcomes

a*a2003-11-20 08:11

25 楼

So many Bio-PHDs or PHD candidates I know are looking into IP field. Can
everybody still keep their jobs or find a job?
Also, if you do IP, you can only practice in 4 states almost, since other 46
together offer almost no job.

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: your bio phd is a ticket to $$$ if you are in for IP, it's not useful for
: other non-technical, non-business related law such as family law, personal
: injuries, or criminal.
: You will be hot commodity here in the US, not China. IP in China is virtually
: non-existent, the money is simply not there yet. this is especially true for
: bio.
: Besides IP, your PhD might help you if you go into corporate law or taxation,
: but to what degree, I don't know. Also, you can't use your PhD as an edge to
: beat othe

o*e2003-11-20 08:11

26 楼

That's true. Market timing is very hard to predict, it's usually better to
secure a job first, then consider further investment in law school.
all the jobs are in four states does not mean there aren't enough jobs. as of
today there are still plenty of IP jobs for PhD+JDs. the question is how many
more Bio PhDs will turn into JDs in 3 years?
you said many bio PhDs are "looking" into IP field, I am not sure how many of
them are actually willing to execute it.

virtually
for
taxation,
to
good

【在 a***a 的大作中提到】

: So many Bio-PHDs or PHD candidates I know are looking into IP field. Can
: everybody still keep their jobs or find a job?
: Also, if you do IP, you can only practice in 4 states almost, since other 46
: together offer almost no job.

a*a2003-11-20 08:11

27 楼

Actually, 3 years ago, JD is not considered a typical career path for Bio
Majors; but now, I would say between 10-20% of bio majors I know are
considering it, due to an over-abundance of Bio major, bad job market in
bio-tech companies, etc.
Last year, 5 people from my department (very small department with 30
labs, 20 new GS and 5-6 new postdoc a year) already went to law school.
Also, I noticed an interesting trend in more Chinese students going to law
school too.
IP job market is probably on t

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: That's true. Market timing is very hard to predict, it's usually better to
: secure a job first, then consider further investment in law school.
: all the jobs are in four states does not mean there aren't enough jobs. as of
: today there are still plenty of IP jobs for PhD+JDs. the question is how many
: more Bio PhDs will turn into JDs in 3 years?
: you said many bio PhDs are "looking" into IP field, I am not sure how many of
: them are actually willing to execute it.
:
: virtually
: for