有律师吗？# Parenting - 为人父母
t*9
1 楼
好长时间了 打citi 然后找aa
然后又打citi 然后三方通话 etc
都说没问题 为什么我的里程自从开卡后就从来没post过
求解决办法 两个月了
还有aa的那个电话自动识别太差劲了 每打一次费老劲了
然后又打citi 然后三方通话 etc
都说没问题 为什么我的里程自从开卡后就从来没post过
求解决办法 两个月了
还有aa的那个电话自动识别太差劲了 每打一次费老劲了
o*e
2 楼
Jimmy Kimmel Kids table show. We shouldn't overreact 啦。
做这：
1. boycott ABC, Jimmy Kimmel (not so funny any how), Disney parent
2. sue the pants off Jimmy Kimmel/ABC. Our kids are traumatized by
watching the Kids table, which seemed somewhat educational until it turned
very scary.
3. get some lawyer to the kids who were recorded on his "comedy" show.
Who wants to grow up being alternatively called "mini-Hitler"? Who wants
to grow up being famous as a victim of an adult's moral bankrupsy, sitting
hopelessly not to know what to do in the face of foolish savagery?
Both Chinese parents and American parents should cry foul. And some lawyers
are going to make a bundle unless ABC undoes the damage.
做这：
1. boycott ABC, Jimmy Kimmel (not so funny any how), Disney parent
2. sue the pants off Jimmy Kimmel/ABC. Our kids are traumatized by
watching the Kids table, which seemed somewhat educational until it turned
very scary.
3. get some lawyer to the kids who were recorded on his "comedy" show.
Who wants to grow up being alternatively called "mini-Hitler"? Who wants
to grow up being famous as a victim of an adult's moral bankrupsy, sitting
hopelessly not to know what to do in the face of foolish savagery?
Both Chinese parents and American parents should cry foul. And some lawyers
are going to make a bundle unless ABC undoes the damage.
k*0
3 楼
等8-10周吧 效率 哎
l*a
4 楼
我怎么记得我们是有组织的？争取h1b工作名额什么的。
,
lawyers
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Jimmy Kimmel Kids table show. We shouldn't overreact 啦。
: 做这：
: 1. boycott ABC, Jimmy Kimmel (not so funny any how), Disney parent
: 2. sue the pants off Jimmy Kimmel/ABC. Our kids are traumatized by
: watching the Kids table, which seemed somewhat educational until it turned
: very scary.
: 3. get some lawyer to the kids who were recorded on his "comedy" show.
: Who wants to grow up being alternatively called "mini-Hitler"? Who wants
: to grow up being famous as a victim of an adult's moral bankrupsy, sitting
: hopelessly not to know what to do in the face of foolish savagery?
,
lawyers
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Jimmy Kimmel Kids table show. We shouldn't overreact 啦。
: 做这：
: 1. boycott ABC, Jimmy Kimmel (not so funny any how), Disney parent
: 2. sue the pants off Jimmy Kimmel/ABC. Our kids are traumatized by
: watching the Kids table, which seemed somewhat educational until it turned
: very scary.
: 3. get some lawyer to the kids who were recorded on his "comedy" show.
: Who wants to grow up being alternatively called "mini-Hitler"? Who wants
: to grow up being famous as a victim of an adult's moral bankrupsy, sitting
: hopelessly not to know what to do in the face of foolish savagery?
s*n
5 楼
遇到同样的问题
帮顶
帮顶
B*1
6 楼
不是律师。但说两句：
1）即使小孩说错话，做错事，甚至杀了人，其家长如果没有参与或帮助孩子，几乎不
可能起诉家长。原因是：孩子就是孩子，不是成人，不可能对自己的行为负责，也不可
能控制自己的行为。
2）我估计没有人会起诉那个男孩。
3）最有可能是起诉 Jimmy Kimmel。这个节目估计会归纳为讽刺剧 (satire)，因为吉
米就是整天胡说八道，将新闻改天换面，让观众乐乐。谁也不会把他的节目当真。下面
是他的另一个有关中国的鬼扯：
更可气的是下面的一个录像：
http://perezhilton.com/perezitos/2012-02-09-jimmy-kimmel-report
第二个录像在油管上找不到。估计 ABC 怕有麻烦，就干脆屏蔽了。
4）因为是讽刺，很难告倒他和 ABC，因为他们可能依据宪法第一修正案来保护自己。
我不知道如果一个国家或国民被讽刺会如何判决。但一个名人，比如公众人物，尤其是
政客，经常会被吉米这类人讽刺挖苦。有一个著名的案例是：Hustler Magazine v.
Jerry Falwell 。杰里·福尔韦尔是一个著名的原教旨主义的新教牧师。一个八卦
报纸“骗子杂志”某天登了个酒的广告，说杰里有天喝了这种酒，在一个户外的厕所和
自己的母亲有乱伦行为。杰里气坏了，起诉“骗子杂志”对自己诽谤，侵犯他的隐私，
和故意造成他情绪困扰。官司一直打到美国最高法院，结果是杰里输了！理由是1）没
有一个正常人会认为广告上的言辞是真的；2）除非可以证明该报纸的广告既包含虚假
陈述事实又起因于“实际恶意”，否则宪法第一修正案保护言论自由。这个门槛还是很
高的。该案可见：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell
5）如果是法庭审判，就是陪审团制。那很可能是普通美国群众来判定，这种讽刺是否
是“实际恶意”。大家也听到了现场观众的笑声，虽然那可能是事先安排的，但也可能
他们就是一笑而已，没当真。再者，几个小孩中，亚裔，白人，黑人都有，也没见孩子
们有什么异议。当然你可以说他们都是一伙的，串通好了。但也可以解释为童言无忌。
6）还有一个实际问题是谁来当原告（当事人）。这原告也不是谁来都能当的，必须有
起诉资格，意即在法律上，提起诉的人必须是可以要求法院对该诉讼所涉及的问题作出
判决的合格当事人。到底谁可以代表中国或中国人？该当事人看了录像之后受到了什么
伤害？多大的伤害？如何量化伤害？伤害程度是否达到立案标准？这些都是未知数。
7）结论：请愿和抗议都可以。找律师起诉大概可以免了。当然名牌律师仗义出手，无
偿受理此案的另说。
1）即使小孩说错话，做错事，甚至杀了人，其家长如果没有参与或帮助孩子，几乎不
可能起诉家长。原因是：孩子就是孩子，不是成人，不可能对自己的行为负责，也不可
能控制自己的行为。
2）我估计没有人会起诉那个男孩。
3）最有可能是起诉 Jimmy Kimmel。这个节目估计会归纳为讽刺剧 (satire)，因为吉
米就是整天胡说八道，将新闻改天换面，让观众乐乐。谁也不会把他的节目当真。下面
是他的另一个有关中国的鬼扯：
更可气的是下面的一个录像：
http://perezhilton.com/perezitos/2012-02-09-jimmy-kimmel-report
第二个录像在油管上找不到。估计 ABC 怕有麻烦，就干脆屏蔽了。
4）因为是讽刺，很难告倒他和 ABC，因为他们可能依据宪法第一修正案来保护自己。
我不知道如果一个国家或国民被讽刺会如何判决。但一个名人，比如公众人物，尤其是
政客，经常会被吉米这类人讽刺挖苦。有一个著名的案例是：Hustler Magazine v.
Jerry Falwell 。杰里·福尔韦尔是一个著名的原教旨主义的新教牧师。一个八卦
报纸“骗子杂志”某天登了个酒的广告，说杰里有天喝了这种酒，在一个户外的厕所和
自己的母亲有乱伦行为。杰里气坏了，起诉“骗子杂志”对自己诽谤，侵犯他的隐私，
和故意造成他情绪困扰。官司一直打到美国最高法院，结果是杰里输了！理由是1）没
有一个正常人会认为广告上的言辞是真的；2）除非可以证明该报纸的广告既包含虚假
陈述事实又起因于“实际恶意”，否则宪法第一修正案保护言论自由。这个门槛还是很
高的。该案可见：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell
5）如果是法庭审判，就是陪审团制。那很可能是普通美国群众来判定，这种讽刺是否
是“实际恶意”。大家也听到了现场观众的笑声，虽然那可能是事先安排的，但也可能
他们就是一笑而已，没当真。再者，几个小孩中，亚裔，白人，黑人都有，也没见孩子
们有什么异议。当然你可以说他们都是一伙的，串通好了。但也可以解释为童言无忌。
6）还有一个实际问题是谁来当原告（当事人）。这原告也不是谁来都能当的，必须有
起诉资格，意即在法律上，提起诉的人必须是可以要求法院对该诉讼所涉及的问题作出
判决的合格当事人。到底谁可以代表中国或中国人？该当事人看了录像之后受到了什么
伤害？多大的伤害？如何量化伤害？伤害程度是否达到立案标准？这些都是未知数。
7）结论：请愿和抗议都可以。找律师起诉大概可以免了。当然名牌律师仗义出手，无
偿受理此案的另说。
D*s
7 楼
往前翻翻，有个人也有这样的问题，后来给CEO写信才搞定
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: 遇到同样的问题
: 帮顶
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: 遇到同样的问题
: 帮顶
o*e
8 楼
I don't mean to sue the kids. I mean to sue Disney and Jimmy Kimmel for
child abuse. The program looks like a children's program, quacks like a
children's program, but is traumatizing and shocking to even adults. If it
's satire, it's poorly executed and should be cut. Or made sure it was
sanitized for kids.
The kid who made the suggestion, he's famous now. But probably not in a
good way that he will grow up being happy about. He could sue for child
abuse. Also the other kids on the table, should sue for child abuse.
Kids at an age that barely know right from wrong, don't understand the
difference between facts and fiction. Say if one kid decide to expose
himself/herself on the show, and the adults failed to censor the segment,
then it's clearly ground for child abuse.
Satire is not an excuse for savagery and bigotry.
child abuse. The program looks like a children's program, quacks like a
children's program, but is traumatizing and shocking to even adults. If it
's satire, it's poorly executed and should be cut. Or made sure it was
sanitized for kids.
The kid who made the suggestion, he's famous now. But probably not in a
good way that he will grow up being happy about. He could sue for child
abuse. Also the other kids on the table, should sue for child abuse.
Kids at an age that barely know right from wrong, don't understand the
difference between facts and fiction. Say if one kid decide to expose
himself/herself on the show, and the adults failed to censor the segment,
then it's clearly ground for child abuse.
Satire is not an excuse for savagery and bigotry.
n*s
9 楼
你的statement上有不？搞得我也紧张了。我的倒是第一个账单上说会告诉AA，不过AA
上是还没有动静。
【在 t*****9 的大作中提到】
: 好长时间了 打citi 然后找aa
: 然后又打citi 然后三方通话 etc
: 都说没问题 为什么我的里程自从开卡后就从来没post过
: 求解决办法 两个月了
: 还有aa的那个电话自动识别太差劲了 每打一次费老劲了
上是还没有动静。
【在 t*****9 的大作中提到】
: 好长时间了 打citi 然后找aa
: 然后又打citi 然后三方通话 etc
: 都说没问题 为什么我的里程自从开卡后就从来没post过
: 求解决办法 两个月了
: 还有aa的那个电话自动识别太差劲了 每打一次费老劲了
B*1
10 楼
这同样牵扯到起诉资格的问题。试问：谁是当事人？你还是孩子？如果是你，你不合格
；因为你没有被虐待，没有被伤害。如果是孩子起诉 Jimmy Kimmel，应该是孩子自己
或孩子的家长自己去起诉，好像不可能吧；他们数钱还来不及呢，怎么可能把财神宰了
？如果是孩子起诉自己家长，那么会有几种情况：
1）你让孩子直接起诉。好像也不大可能，连孩子自己都没有感觉到任何伤害，如何起
诉啊？你所说的未来孩子可能感到伤害，那也得等到他觉醒的那天再说。现在不行。
2）你让儿童保护组织起诉。同样，你得证明这个孩子已经被虐待了，不管不行了。这
么说吧，如果普通美国百姓一般都认为这个孩子被家长虐待了，他们早就给儿童保护组
织发信打电话了。那些现场观众就是见证。但现在没有这个举报一说，可见大部分百姓
不觉得这是儿童虐待。那么，这条路也不通。
3）至于你说的小孩暴露癖一事，只要家长没有怂恿孩子去干，而只是没管，同样没法
告。他就说：孩子不听我的话，我管不了；我可以带孩子去看医生。还是没法告。
没有起诉资格，法庭不予立案。
it
...............
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I don't mean to sue the kids. I mean to sue Disney and Jimmy Kimmel for
: child abuse. The program looks like a children's program, quacks like a
: children's program, but is traumatizing and shocking to even adults. If it
: 's satire, it's poorly executed and should be cut. Or made sure it was
: sanitized for kids.
: The kid who made the suggestion, he's famous now. But probably not in a
: good way that he will grow up being happy about. He could sue for child
: abuse. Also the other kids on the table, should sue for child abuse.
: Kids at an age that barely know right from wrong, don't understand the
: difference between facts and fiction. Say if one kid decide to expose
；因为你没有被虐待，没有被伤害。如果是孩子起诉 Jimmy Kimmel，应该是孩子自己
或孩子的家长自己去起诉，好像不可能吧；他们数钱还来不及呢，怎么可能把财神宰了
？如果是孩子起诉自己家长，那么会有几种情况：
1）你让孩子直接起诉。好像也不大可能，连孩子自己都没有感觉到任何伤害，如何起
诉啊？你所说的未来孩子可能感到伤害，那也得等到他觉醒的那天再说。现在不行。
2）你让儿童保护组织起诉。同样，你得证明这个孩子已经被虐待了，不管不行了。这
么说吧，如果普通美国百姓一般都认为这个孩子被家长虐待了，他们早就给儿童保护组
织发信打电话了。那些现场观众就是见证。但现在没有这个举报一说，可见大部分百姓
不觉得这是儿童虐待。那么，这条路也不通。
3）至于你说的小孩暴露癖一事，只要家长没有怂恿孩子去干，而只是没管，同样没法
告。他就说：孩子不听我的话，我管不了；我可以带孩子去看医生。还是没法告。
没有起诉资格，法庭不予立案。
it
...............
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I don't mean to sue the kids. I mean to sue Disney and Jimmy Kimmel for
: child abuse. The program looks like a children's program, quacks like a
: children's program, but is traumatizing and shocking to even adults. If it
: 's satire, it's poorly executed and should be cut. Or made sure it was
: sanitized for kids.
: The kid who made the suggestion, he's famous now. But probably not in a
: good way that he will grow up being happy about. He could sue for child
: abuse. Also the other kids on the table, should sue for child abuse.
: Kids at an age that barely know right from wrong, don't understand the
: difference between facts and fiction. Say if one kid decide to expose
w*3
11 楼
我也是类似的情况，STATEMENT上显示的点数没有问题，就是AA账户一直收不到，我联
系CITI说已经通知AA，但AA最近可能因为与US合并，系统更新会慢一点。我准备等等看
。
系CITI说已经通知AA，但AA最近可能因为与US合并，系统更新会慢一点。我准备等等看
。
o*e
12 楼
In this case, the kid, either spontaneously came up with that line, or even
more shockingly, were fed his lines. The audience either laughed at this
line, or there was a laugh track.
The kid's right to speech and the audience's right to laugh and Jimmy Kimmel
's right to say whatever he wants are protected. But ABC and Jimmy Kimmel
does not have the right to hide behind a 6 year old and traumatize other
children.
Either a class action lawsuit on behalf of all the accidental young audience
of this segment, or a lawsuit on behalf of the children put on the spot in
this show and have to face notoriety through no fault of their own, but the
incompetency and bigotry of adults employed by Disney.
more shockingly, were fed his lines. The audience either laughed at this
line, or there was a laugh track.
The kid's right to speech and the audience's right to laugh and Jimmy Kimmel
's right to say whatever he wants are protected. But ABC and Jimmy Kimmel
does not have the right to hide behind a 6 year old and traumatize other
children.
Either a class action lawsuit on behalf of all the accidental young audience
of this segment, or a lawsuit on behalf of the children put on the spot in
this show and have to face notoriety through no fault of their own, but the
incompetency and bigotry of adults employed by Disney.
b*k
13 楼
問過citi客服 解釋是在和AA確認賬號是否有效 所以沒有post
如果確認是在statement出來後 就是下個賬單才能看到miles
如果確認是在statement出來後 就是下個賬單才能看到miles
o*e
14 楼
I was not talking about sueing the parents at all. Beida, I admire your
grasp of educational philosophy. Let's stay off the tangents.
Disney/Jimmy Kimmel are the responsible party. 6 year olds should be able
to say whatever they like, if indeed that's what he wants to say. But
Disney/Jimmy Kimmel has a responsibility to edit out that part to protect
the kids and protect their own brand. Or make up for it somehow.
If not, face the consequences: lawsuits and a tarnished brand.
grasp of educational philosophy. Let's stay off the tangents.
Disney/Jimmy Kimmel are the responsible party. 6 year olds should be able
to say whatever they like, if indeed that's what he wants to say. But
Disney/Jimmy Kimmel has a responsibility to edit out that part to protect
the kids and protect their own brand. Or make up for it somehow.
If not, face the consequences: lawsuits and a tarnished brand.
d*g
15 楼
same here
以前aa 卡 没问题，这个刚开的citi biz 卡
miles在statement 已经显示， 好几天都没post
打电话 ，说有问题 让等
你们得也这样嘛？
谢谢
以前aa 卡 没问题，这个刚开的citi biz 卡
miles在statement 已经显示， 好几天都没post
打电话 ，说有问题 让等
你们得也这样嘛？
谢谢
m*n
16 楼
我想Beida说的很清楚了 - 谁有资格"sue Disney/Jimmy Kimmel".
你如果想反驳他的观点, 请针对他说的这个, 说说你觉得谁去sue最好.
而不是在他已经说的这么清楚(没有人既有资格也有意愿去sue)的情况下,
还是一遍一遍重复你这个要sue Disney/Jimmy Kimmel的,
大家都已经清楚的, Beida也指出不现实的观点.
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I was not talking about sueing the parents at all. Beida, I admire your
: grasp of educational philosophy. Let's stay off the tangents.
: Disney/Jimmy Kimmel are the responsible party. 6 year olds should be able
: to say whatever they like, if indeed that's what he wants to say. But
: Disney/Jimmy Kimmel has a responsibility to edit out that part to protect
: the kids and protect their own brand. Or make up for it somehow.
: If not, face the consequences: lawsuits and a tarnished brand.
:
你如果想反驳他的观点, 请针对他说的这个, 说说你觉得谁去sue最好.
而不是在他已经说的这么清楚(没有人既有资格也有意愿去sue)的情况下,
还是一遍一遍重复你这个要sue Disney/Jimmy Kimmel的,
大家都已经清楚的, Beida也指出不现实的观点.
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I was not talking about sueing the parents at all. Beida, I admire your
: grasp of educational philosophy. Let's stay off the tangents.
: Disney/Jimmy Kimmel are the responsible party. 6 year olds should be able
: to say whatever they like, if indeed that's what he wants to say. But
: Disney/Jimmy Kimmel has a responsibility to edit out that part to protect
: the kids and protect their own brand. Or make up for it somehow.
: If not, face the consequences: lawsuits and a tarnished brand.
:
f*n
17 楼
same issue here
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: same here
: 以前aa 卡 没问题，这个刚开的citi biz 卡
: miles在statement 已经显示， 好几天都没post
: 打电话 ，说有问题 让等
: 你们得也这样嘛？
: 谢谢
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: same here
: 以前aa 卡 没问题，这个刚开的citi biz 卡
: miles在statement 已经显示， 好几天都没post
: 打电话 ，说有问题 让等
: 你们得也这样嘛？
: 谢谢
v*e
18 楼
希特勒说：“The jews laughed. They thought it was a joke. They are not
laughing today. Now they know the gravity of the situation.”
laughing today. Now they know the gravity of the situation.”
n*s
19 楼
almost a month for me. still no post at aa.com. Plan to wait for another
statement. mentioned somewhere it'll take upto 30 days.
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: same here
: 以前aa 卡 没问题，这个刚开的citi biz 卡
: miles在statement 已经显示， 好几天都没post
: 打电话 ，说有问题 让等
: 你们得也这样嘛？
: 谢谢
statement. mentioned somewhere it'll take upto 30 days.
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: same here
: 以前aa 卡 没问题，这个刚开的citi biz 卡
: miles在statement 已经显示， 好几天都没post
: 打电话 ，说有问题 让等
: 你们得也这样嘛？
: 谢谢
o*e
20 楼
Wow. that's chilling. When i watch this youtube version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRztij26Tfc
Particularly disturbing is the audience laughter when the kid suggested mass
murder and genocide, killing all the Chinese. Either that was a laugh
track or real audience.
These kids were either fed the lines, or made it up spontaneously. In the
latter case, some adults should have the presence of mind to cut it.
As it is, the cat is out of bag. Disney has to face it, try to make honest
amends to the Chinese and American kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRztij26Tfc
Particularly disturbing is the audience laughter when the kid suggested mass
murder and genocide, killing all the Chinese. Either that was a laugh
track or real audience.
These kids were either fed the lines, or made it up spontaneously. In the
latter case, some adults should have the presence of mind to cut it.
As it is, the cat is out of bag. Disney has to face it, try to make honest
amends to the Chinese and American kids.
d*g
21 楼
准打个给aa 或者citi 再电话问下
【在 n******s 的大作中提到】
: almost a month for me. still no post at aa.com. Plan to wait for another
: statement. mentioned somewhere it'll take upto 30 days.
【在 n******s 的大作中提到】
: almost a month for me. still no post at aa.com. Plan to wait for another
: statement. mentioned somewhere it'll take upto 30 days.
h*y
22 楼
同样问题出现，求问update
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