m*5
2 楼
haha. They will never find it on a BODY. this magic thing only exist for
LIVE organism--an individual living system.
LIVE organism--an individual living system.
w*e
3 楼
解剖学,不是解刨。
c*r
4 楼
Jingluo is an illusion that doesn't truly exist.
A human brain is capable of creating all kinds of delusion that one feels as
real as it gets. Jingluo is one of them. It only exists in believer's mind.
According to Chinese traditional medicine practitioners,Jingluo was
discovered by ancient wise men through introspect during meditation. This
reveals its fundamental characteristic, an imagination.
Meditation is a way to manipulate your highly malleable brain to bend
reality. Superstitious people
A human brain is capable of creating all kinds of delusion that one feels as
real as it gets. Jingluo is one of them. It only exists in believer's mind.
According to Chinese traditional medicine practitioners,Jingluo was
discovered by ancient wise men through introspect during meditation. This
reveals its fundamental characteristic, an imagination.
Meditation is a way to manipulate your highly malleable brain to bend
reality. Superstitious people
h*i
5 楼
你需要用双忙试验否定巴
你做实验了么就瞎说
as
mind.
by
That'
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: Jingluo is an illusion that doesn't truly exist.
: A human brain is capable of creating all kinds of delusion that one feels as
: real as it gets. Jingluo is one of them. It only exists in believer's mind.
: According to Chinese traditional medicine practitioners,Jingluo was
: discovered by ancient wise men through introspect during meditation. This
: reveals its fundamental characteristic, an imagination.
: Meditation is a way to manipulate your highly malleable brain to bend
: reality. Superstitious people
你做实验了么就瞎说
as
mind.
by
That'
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: Jingluo is an illusion that doesn't truly exist.
: A human brain is capable of creating all kinds of delusion that one feels as
: real as it gets. Jingluo is one of them. It only exists in believer's mind.
: According to Chinese traditional medicine practitioners,Jingluo was
: discovered by ancient wise men through introspect during meditation. This
: reveals its fundamental characteristic, an imagination.
: Meditation is a way to manipulate your highly malleable brain to bend
: reality. Superstitious people
c*r
7 楼
One can never falsify something that doesn't really exist. Can you prove
that God doesn't exist? Can you prove that dragons don't exist? If you
cannot, is it valid proof that they do exist?
Another example: can you prove you don't owe me a million? If you cannot,
then you must owe me a million.
A basic rule of a valid discussion is that the burden of proof rests on whom
making propositions. Not the other way around.
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】
: 你需要用双忙试验否定巴
: 你做实验了么就瞎说
:
: as
: mind.
: by
: That'
that God doesn't exist? Can you prove that dragons don't exist? If you
cannot, is it valid proof that they do exist?
Another example: can you prove you don't owe me a million? If you cannot,
then you must owe me a million.
A basic rule of a valid discussion is that the burden of proof rests on whom
making propositions. Not the other way around.
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】
: 你需要用双忙试验否定巴
: 你做实验了么就瞎说
:
: as
: mind.
: by
: That'
h*i
10 楼
理性主义者从来不去试图否认有造物存在的可能
这是徒劳的,也是反科学的
神是不是存在,根本不是科学研究的内容
比如中医指称某穴,位置a,5毫米之外非某穴,位置b
针刺a,b,对照实验,某个可监测的生理指标,显示统计区别
那么,解刨学生理学就必须指出a,b有什么不同
如果没有能力指出不同,就必须接受穴位的存在
如果若干穴位存在,那么,就必须接受有人报告的连接
穴位的经络的感觉,是客观存在的
美国的保险公司之所以肯为针灸付账,就是因为有这样的实验
whom
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: One can never falsify something that doesn't really exist. Can you prove
: that God doesn't exist? Can you prove that dragons don't exist? If you
: cannot, is it valid proof that they do exist?
: Another example: can you prove you don't owe me a million? If you cannot,
: then you must owe me a million.
: A basic rule of a valid discussion is that the burden of proof rests on whom
: making propositions. Not the other way around.
这是徒劳的,也是反科学的
神是不是存在,根本不是科学研究的内容
比如中医指称某穴,位置a,5毫米之外非某穴,位置b
针刺a,b,对照实验,某个可监测的生理指标,显示统计区别
那么,解刨学生理学就必须指出a,b有什么不同
如果没有能力指出不同,就必须接受穴位的存在
如果若干穴位存在,那么,就必须接受有人报告的连接
穴位的经络的感觉,是客观存在的
美国的保险公司之所以肯为针灸付账,就是因为有这样的实验
whom
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: One can never falsify something that doesn't really exist. Can you prove
: that God doesn't exist? Can you prove that dragons don't exist? If you
: cannot, is it valid proof that they do exist?
: Another example: can you prove you don't owe me a million? If you cannot,
: then you must owe me a million.
: A basic rule of a valid discussion is that the burden of proof rests on whom
: making propositions. Not the other way around.
A*e
11 楼
我还记得中医课老师说谁要是能研究清楚经脉到底是什么没准能得诺贝尔奖呢
c*r
12 楼
针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
部位去。
有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
大不一样,是因为穴位么?
针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
经络不是针灸起作用的必要条件。
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】
: 理性主义者从来不去试图否认有造物存在的可能
: 这是徒劳的,也是反科学的
: 神是不是存在,根本不是科学研究的内容
: 比如中医指称某穴,位置a,5毫米之外非某穴,位置b
: 针刺a,b,对照实验,某个可监测的生理指标,显示统计区别
: 那么,解刨学生理学就必须指出a,b有什么不同
: 如果没有能力指出不同,就必须接受穴位的存在
: 如果若干穴位存在,那么,就必须接受有人报告的连接
: 穴位的经络的感觉,是客观存在的
: 美国的保险公司之所以肯为针灸付账,就是因为有这样的实验
神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
部位去。
有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
大不一样,是因为穴位么?
针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
经络不是针灸起作用的必要条件。
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】
: 理性主义者从来不去试图否认有造物存在的可能
: 这是徒劳的,也是反科学的
: 神是不是存在,根本不是科学研究的内容
: 比如中医指称某穴,位置a,5毫米之外非某穴,位置b
: 针刺a,b,对照实验,某个可监测的生理指标,显示统计区别
: 那么,解刨学生理学就必须指出a,b有什么不同
: 如果没有能力指出不同,就必须接受穴位的存在
: 如果若干穴位存在,那么,就必须接受有人报告的连接
: 穴位的经络的感觉,是客观存在的
: 美国的保险公司之所以肯为针灸付账,就是因为有这样的实验
x*l
13 楼
针炙不是扎在神经上的。有感觉是指气的感觉,而不是神经上的感觉。
大自然的磁场,也是看不见,摸不着的,上物理课,老师说地球的磁力线,是不是一样
让人感觉很玄妙啊?
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: 针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
: 神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
: 部位去。
: 有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
: 大不一样,是因为穴位么?
: 针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
: 到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
: ,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
: 古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
: 逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
大自然的磁场,也是看不见,摸不着的,上物理课,老师说地球的磁力线,是不是一样
让人感觉很玄妙啊?
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: 针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
: 神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
: 部位去。
: 有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
: 大不一样,是因为穴位么?
: 针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
: 到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
: ,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
: 古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
: 逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
i*o
14 楼
这些猜想都蛮好,就象拿试管去分析中药“有效成分”一样,都是对未知事物的一种很
自然而然的尝试。
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: 针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
: 神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
: 部位去。
: 有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
: 大不一样,是因为穴位么?
: 针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
: 到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
: ,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
: 古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
: 逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
自然而然的尝试。
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: 针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
: 神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
: 部位去。
: 有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
: 大不一样,是因为穴位么?
: 针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
: 到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
: ,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
: 古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
: 逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
h*i
15 楼
扯把
人家研究了
被扎的穴位根5毫米之外,在神经结构上没有区别
如果有被扎以后的生理学不同,你必须指出神经结构的区别
才能说是神经
摆脱你提高一点科学素养
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: 针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
: 神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
: 部位去。
: 有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
: 大不一样,是因为穴位么?
: 针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
: 到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
: ,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
: 古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
: 逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
人家研究了
被扎的穴位根5毫米之外,在神经结构上没有区别
如果有被扎以后的生理学不同,你必须指出神经结构的区别
才能说是神经
摆脱你提高一点科学素养
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: 针灸有感觉就是经络存在的证明么?不是神经系统给人的感觉么?梨状肌肿大压迫坐骨
: 神经一点,疼痛延着神经放射,那是穴位么?心肌缺血,疼痛或麻痹感都会放射到其他
: 部位去。
: 有身体各部位神经分部不均一,当然有敏感和不敏感的区别。扎小JJ和扎背上当然感觉
: 大不一样,是因为穴位么?
: 针灸起作用可以用神经,内分泌等概念来解释。比方说:(纯粹hypothetical)一针扎
: 到一条走向胃的神经左近,引起一个神经冲动,正好等同于使胃酸分泌增加的生理信号
: ,有效果。针灸可以是一种直接manipulate nerve system的方法。
: 古人没有解剖知识,可能把这种延展的感觉称为经络不行么?
: 逻辑上,针灸起作用经络客观存在存在的充分条件么?
c*r
16 楼
Reference please.
c*r
19 楼
I didn't grab my theory out of thin air.
Here are some literature supports neurohormonal theory on the efficacy of
acupuncture.
Pomeranz B, Chiu D (1976). "Naloxone blockade of acupuncture analgesia:
endorphin implicated". Life Sci. 19 (11): 1757–62. PMID 187888.
Mayer DJ, Price DD, Rafii A (1977). "Antagonism of acupuncture analgesia in
man by the narcotic antagonist naloxone". Brain Res. 121 (2): 368–72. PMID
832169.
Eriksson SV, Lundeberg T, Lundeberg S (1991). "Interaction of diazepam and
Here are some literature supports neurohormonal theory on the efficacy of
acupuncture.
Pomeranz B, Chiu D (1976). "Naloxone blockade of acupuncture analgesia:
endorphin implicated". Life Sci. 19 (11): 1757–62. PMID 187888.
Mayer DJ, Price DD, Rafii A (1977). "Antagonism of acupuncture analgesia in
man by the narcotic antagonist naloxone". Brain Res. 121 (2): 368–72. PMID
832169.
Eriksson SV, Lundeberg T, Lundeberg S (1991). "Interaction of diazepam and
c*r
20 楼
Now, it is your turn.
h*i
21 楼
这三篇没有内容说明穴位就是神经阿
in
PMID
–7
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: I didn't grab my theory out of thin air.
: Here are some literature supports neurohormonal theory on the efficacy of
: acupuncture.
: Pomeranz B, Chiu D (1976). "Naloxone blockade of acupuncture analgesia:
: endorphin implicated". Life Sci. 19 (11): 1757–62. PMID 187888.
: Mayer DJ, Price DD, Rafii A (1977). "Antagonism of acupuncture analgesia in
: man by the narcotic antagonist naloxone". Brain Res. 121 (2): 368–72. PMID
: 832169.
: Eriksson SV, Lundeberg T, Lundeberg S (1991). "Interaction of diazepam and
in
PMID
–7
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: I didn't grab my theory out of thin air.
: Here are some literature supports neurohormonal theory on the efficacy of
: acupuncture.
: Pomeranz B, Chiu D (1976). "Naloxone blockade of acupuncture analgesia:
: endorphin implicated". Life Sci. 19 (11): 1757–62. PMID 187888.
: Mayer DJ, Price DD, Rafii A (1977). "Antagonism of acupuncture analgesia in
: man by the narcotic antagonist naloxone". Brain Res. 121 (2): 368–72. PMID
: 832169.
: Eriksson SV, Lundeberg T, Lundeberg S (1991). "Interaction of diazepam and
c*r
23 楼
well...what can I say. I am wasting my time here...
i*s
25 楼
我们公司和北京中医药大学06年合作过一个针灸的前期试验,本来是公司的一个vp接受
针灸治疗效果不错,所以打算看看可不可以开发个家庭用的医疗仪器,可惜和北京中医
药大学合作的这个前期的探索性实验失败了,项目最后就不了了之了
针灸治疗效果不错,所以打算看看可不可以开发个家庭用的医疗仪器,可惜和北京中医
药大学合作的这个前期的探索性实验失败了,项目最后就不了了之了
c*r
27 楼
The point is that the efficacy of acupuncture can be interpreted within the
context of modern biology. It's not a proof for the existence of Jing Luo.
Nerve ends (mechanorecptors, for example) are omnipresent under the skin.
That's how we have sensation of touch, pressure, pain and for other stimuli.
It is impossible for acupuncture not to perturb the nerve system.
Just as stated in the literature that I referred, pain reducing effect of
acupuncture is probably due to release of endorphins (endo
context of modern biology. It's not a proof for the existence of Jing Luo.
Nerve ends (mechanorecptors, for example) are omnipresent under the skin.
That's how we have sensation of touch, pressure, pain and for other stimuli.
It is impossible for acupuncture not to perturb the nerve system.
Just as stated in the literature that I referred, pain reducing effect of
acupuncture is probably due to release of endorphins (endo
h*i
29 楼
你还来啊
问题是你歪扎5毫米就没有用
你不能解释两个点的区别
the
stimuli.
It
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: The point is that the efficacy of acupuncture can be interpreted within the
: context of modern biology. It's not a proof for the existence of Jing Luo.
: Nerve ends (mechanorecptors, for example) are omnipresent under the skin.
: That's how we have sensation of touch, pressure, pain and for other stimuli.
: It is impossible for acupuncture not to perturb the nerve system.
: Just as stated in the literature that I referred, pain reducing effect of
: acupuncture is probably due to release of endorphins (endo
问题是你歪扎5毫米就没有用
你不能解释两个点的区别
the
stimuli.
It
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: The point is that the efficacy of acupuncture can be interpreted within the
: context of modern biology. It's not a proof for the existence of Jing Luo.
: Nerve ends (mechanorecptors, for example) are omnipresent under the skin.
: That's how we have sensation of touch, pressure, pain and for other stimuli.
: It is impossible for acupuncture not to perturb the nerve system.
: Just as stated in the literature that I referred, pain reducing effect of
: acupuncture is probably due to release of endorphins (endo
c*r
31 楼
You don't have to hit right on the head of a mechanoreceptor to activate it.
These receptors can pick up any change of pressure or displacement (as
little as 1 um) of surrounding tissue within its receptive field.
Depending on their upstream connection, different sites of stimulation may
illicit different responses.
Why don't you provide the reference you repeatedly referring to, so we can
evaluate the validity of the study.
These receptors can pick up any change of pressure or displacement (as
little as 1 um) of surrounding tissue within its receptive field.
Depending on their upstream connection, different sites of stimulation may
illicit different responses.
Why don't you provide the reference you repeatedly referring to, so we can
evaluate the validity of the study.
h*i
32 楼
穴位和穴位周围是有对比试验的
你显然只相信你信得过的杂志,所以你自己去找吧,这个是你的态度决定的
不是偶坚决不给
除非可以指出穴位和穴位周围的组织,为什么会对针刺产生不同的神经响应
否则就不能说穴位效果是由于神经刺激
穴位刺激当然可以产生神经系统的效果,这是另外一个问题
it.
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: You don't have to hit right on the head of a mechanoreceptor to activate it.
: These receptors can pick up any change of pressure or displacement (as
: little as 1 um) of surrounding tissue within its receptive field.
: Depending on their upstream connection, different sites of stimulation may
: illicit different responses.
: Why don't you provide the reference you repeatedly referring to, so we can
: evaluate the validity of the study.
你显然只相信你信得过的杂志,所以你自己去找吧,这个是你的态度决定的
不是偶坚决不给
除非可以指出穴位和穴位周围的组织,为什么会对针刺产生不同的神经响应
否则就不能说穴位效果是由于神经刺激
穴位刺激当然可以产生神经系统的效果,这是另外一个问题
it.
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】
: You don't have to hit right on the head of a mechanoreceptor to activate it.
: These receptors can pick up any change of pressure or displacement (as
: little as 1 um) of surrounding tissue within its receptive field.
: Depending on their upstream connection, different sites of stimulation may
: illicit different responses.
: Why don't you provide the reference you repeatedly referring to, so we can
: evaluate the validity of the study.
i*a
34 楼
黄帝内经是什么时候传下来的?
Meditation是什么时候开始的?
——————
According to Chinese traditional medicine practitioners,Jingluo was
as
mind.
by
That'
Meditation是什么时候开始的?
——————
According to Chinese traditional medicine practitioners,Jingluo was
as
mind.
by
That'
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